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From NHL website, "Submissions for the 2008 Imaging our National Heritage NHL Photo Contest are now being accepted. The entry deadline is June 30, 2008. For further information on the photo contest and how to obtain a copy of the 2008 NHL calendar (planner), please click http://www.nps.gov/nero/nhlphoto/ here."
There are National, Intermountain, Pacific West, Southeast, Northeast, Midwest and Honorable mention winner photos from 2007 posted there. 6 categories, with main winner and honorable mention winner in each one, so 12 awards. doncram ( talk) 17:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
As for licensing, I'd follow the example of the Grand Central pic and multilicense any contributions submitted as entries in this contest as GFDL/CC-BY-2.5 or later. That allows (as I've discovered this week when this picture I took got picked to be used in an earth-science textbook) maximum possible reuse, which is of course the idea behind free content. Daniel Case ( talk) 21:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Deadline extended! At the NHL page: "The deadline to submit your photos for the 2008 NHL Photo Contest has been extended to Monday, July 7th!" doncram ( talk) 07:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This was posted elsewhere by Jeffpw, a Youtube video with many an NHL depiction or theme: I made this as my birthday present to America. I hope you enjoy it. (posted elsewhere by Jeffpw)
Yours in recycling, doncram ( talk) 19:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Not a new article but I've been doing a substantial expansion on Octagon house. I would appreciate any comments whether on readability, content or technical matters. This is my first full size edit so probably some of what I've done isn't technically correct. I've done a lot of fact checking but some of that may not be apparent from the referencing. I'm not sure if the article should be under the NRHP banner, since it deals with many listed places but is general, and also deals with some aspects that are not NRHP. Again, feedback would be appreciated. ProfDEH ( talk) 15:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Those are my comments for now :) Gary King ( talk) 16:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone (not me) has proposed merging NHL Spiegel Grove with Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center. Please comment on the talk pages. clariosophic ( talk) 09:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I've been amusing myself this summer by slowly going through the redlinks and required pictures for NRHP properties in Detroit. I've found it handy to order the properties geographically (as I've done here: User:Andrew Jameson/NRHP) so that I can visit places that are close to each other and not miss things I didn't realize were in the area. Detroit's spoke system of streets makes this ordering natural and convenient.
It strikes me that this would actually be a good feature to include on the main list page in some form or another. I could do a few differet thing:
There are advantages and disadvantages to each, which I can ennumerate, but I don't want to bore people with a lengthy posting (but I can, on request). And I know the be BOLD rule, but I really don't want to spend hours on this and have someone point out why it's a dumb idea for some reason I haven't considered.
So. Comments? Andrew Jameson ( talk) 16:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I just found out that the historic looking Jefferson City (Amtrak station) is part of a complex of historic buildings that includes the Lohman's Landing Building. Of the three buildings in this complex, the Lohman's Landing Building is the only one that has an NRHP listing. So should the station still be listed as a contributing property? ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to put together a modified lighthouse infobox that has NRHP material in it. Please see User:Mangoe/Point Judith Light for a sample. Mangoe ( talk) 03:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
doncram ( talk) 16:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I think an excellent example of how to do this is at {{ infobox religious building}}, which has an optional section for NRHP stuff. Daniel Case ( talk) 15:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I started a list of
Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRHP articles needing attention. Most of the entries thus far are NHLs, but feel free to add any NRHP articles that need attention. Also, please fix any that interest you (but strikout, rather than delete the entries until the identifier can check the solutions). Thanks.--
Appraiser (
talk)
14:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Here. Interesting, the changes they've made. Hmmm... -- Ebyabe ( talk) 00:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I wrote up an article on the debtors' prison in Accomac, Virginia, which you can see here - I'm not quite ready to go live with it yet. So far as I know, it's one of only three such structures on the Register - is there a way to check on others? I've already done the basic database search, which reveals that the one in Worham is listed as a RHP in its own right. My chief concern is regarding buildings like the one in Tappahannock, which is listed as part of a historic district and not on its own. Is there any way to do a search of contributing properties to historic districts, short of rooting through each nominating form individually? I only found out about that third one through an HABS search, but they list none outside of the three of which I'm aware. -- User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
A resourceful contributer, User:B. Wolterding, has built a bot to help us identify articles with problems. The listing is here.-- Appraiser ( talk) 13:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me or are others finding that WP is particularly slow the last couple of weeks? Just wondering ... -- Sanfranman59 ( talk) 20:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
During many routine browsings through my time on WP, I noticed there are hundreds of uncategorized NRHP articles. They are missing place-specific categories. Just look at List of Registered Historic Places in Fall River, Massachusetts. Only a few of listed articles are categorized under Category:Fall River, Massachusetts. Is there any possibility to assign a bot to do needed work? - Darwinek ( talk) 10:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I create county-level cats when I've created enough articles on RHPs in a particular county that it's swelling that county's category. So far, I've created only two this way: Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange County, New York and Category:Registered Historic Places in Ulster County, New York, both as part of overall reorgs of those counties' categories. I may be doing another one for Westchester County soon, too.
Whenever I get around to making enough Dutchess County-related articles (NRHPs and otherwise) that I decide to split up that category, I will likely be faced with the issue of creating not just a Dutchess County RHP cat but subcats for Poughkeepsie (90 or so listings, and for all I know there could be more), and maybe Rhinebeck (which includes Rhinecliff) and Hyde Park due to the many listings there. Daniel Case ( talk) 19:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The article needs a page-move from a Virginia park name that is an uncommon usage, to the common name "Sayler's Creek Battlefield", which is also the NHL program name for the site. Proposal for the move at Talk:Sailor's Creek Battlefield State Park#Proposal to move to Sayler's Creek Battlefield. This is an article that i started and to which I added references and HABS photos. The odd name was an the preference of a DYK nominator, to whom i deferred at the time. It is akin to the same editor's preference to use the "War of Northern Aggression" instead of the American Civil War which was the subject of a lot of discussion, and perhaps an RfC, elsewhere, with conclusion that the common name American Civil War should be used. Perhaps since the alternate name is used in the state of Virginia's park system listing, the editor may believe that it has a southern flair. As for American Civil War, the common name should be used. An administrator's assistance will be needed, as there is a redirect in place at the preferred name. doncram ( talk) 17:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Given that NRHP is a function of the US government, does that mean I can just do a straight copy and paste from the history section of an NRHP form? I am looking at a few lines from a very basic NRHP summary of a ship's history which would be rather difficult to deviate from in a substantive way as it contains so little information. Thanks, Gatoclass ( talk) 01:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Motorrad-67 has just edited List of RHPs in WI and split-out separate WI county list-articles, which I was just working on. Mororrad-67 seeks to eliminate use of term "Registered Historic Places", and suggests the term should be eliminated everywhere else as well. Although Motorrad-67's edits appear disruptive, I think that Mororrad-67 may have a valid point or two to make. Discussion at Talk:List of Registered Historic Places in Wisconsin#Wrong title for this article. doncram ( talk) 17:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As Dmadeo notes, woohoo!, another pic, of Thomas Moran's home, added to List of NHLs in NY, photo by Americasroof. And, Dmadeo has just completed a valiant job of describing all 1,000 or so (i think it is that many) NHLs in California. doncram ( talk) 06:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
This Friday's update to the Register includes an awful lot of properties removed in what seems to be coastal Mississippi. I think it's not too much of a stretch to guess that these are belated effects of Hurricane Katrina ... anyone down that way know if that's the case? If so, it could be worth mentioning somewhere. Daniel Case ( talk) 05:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I've uploaded 61 pictures of NRHPs and 15 NHLs onto flickr. I have about 25 more to upload, but my internet connection is screwed up right now and it takes forver to load or edit a page. I'm going to be taking a semi-wikibreak (because of my internet and RL activities I've got going on) and I encourage you guys and gals to use the pix for new articles (if you feel like filling in the gaps). I believe there are 34 NRHP photos in my set that don't have an article and a few NHL articles that need a photo. All are properly licensed and some have already been uploaded to Commons. They're not the best quality, but they'll do for now. Cheers. APK like a lollipop 02:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Can I use a brochure put out by a state park service as a source? If so, what's the correct format for a reference? Lvklock ( talk) 01:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I recently filed a bot request to run a bot to create lists of pageview statistics for WikiProjects. If anyone is interested, I can do one for this project. I've already done one for the Aviation project, you can see it here. Mr. Z-man 23:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
It has been suggested that we may be experiencing over-categorization. Some of the NRHP topical categories are:
I think the project benefits from these. Some of us think about NRHP according to geography - by state, county, or city. But others who are passionate about lighthouses, synagogues, or railroads think in terms of those groupings. Considering that we have barely begun (<20%) to write articles for all of the NRHP, I think these categories are useful to draw in Wikipedians from other areas of interest toward the goal of documenting everything notable in the encyclopedia (all NRHP). Categorization costs us little and can potentially benefit the project and the encyclopedia.-- Appraiser ( talk) 13:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Don: See Category:Listed buildings by function and tell me if you still have the same issue. If it's OK for the UK, it should be OK for us. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
From NHL website, "Submissions for the 2008 Imaging our National Heritage NHL Photo Contest are now being accepted. The entry deadline is June 30, 2008. For further information on the photo contest and how to obtain a copy of the 2008 NHL calendar (planner), please click http://www.nps.gov/nero/nhlphoto/ here."
There are National, Intermountain, Pacific West, Southeast, Northeast, Midwest and Honorable mention winner photos from 2007 posted there. 6 categories, with main winner and honorable mention winner in each one, so 12 awards. doncram ( talk) 17:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
As for licensing, I'd follow the example of the Grand Central pic and multilicense any contributions submitted as entries in this contest as GFDL/CC-BY-2.5 or later. That allows (as I've discovered this week when this picture I took got picked to be used in an earth-science textbook) maximum possible reuse, which is of course the idea behind free content. Daniel Case ( talk) 21:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Deadline extended! At the NHL page: "The deadline to submit your photos for the 2008 NHL Photo Contest has been extended to Monday, July 7th!" doncram ( talk) 07:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This was posted elsewhere by Jeffpw, a Youtube video with many an NHL depiction or theme: I made this as my birthday present to America. I hope you enjoy it. (posted elsewhere by Jeffpw)
Yours in recycling, doncram ( talk) 19:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.
Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot ( Disable) 21:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Not a new article but I've been doing a substantial expansion on Octagon house. I would appreciate any comments whether on readability, content or technical matters. This is my first full size edit so probably some of what I've done isn't technically correct. I've done a lot of fact checking but some of that may not be apparent from the referencing. I'm not sure if the article should be under the NRHP banner, since it deals with many listed places but is general, and also deals with some aspects that are not NRHP. Again, feedback would be appreciated. ProfDEH ( talk) 15:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Those are my comments for now :) Gary King ( talk) 16:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone (not me) has proposed merging NHL Spiegel Grove with Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center. Please comment on the talk pages. clariosophic ( talk) 09:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I've been amusing myself this summer by slowly going through the redlinks and required pictures for NRHP properties in Detroit. I've found it handy to order the properties geographically (as I've done here: User:Andrew Jameson/NRHP) so that I can visit places that are close to each other and not miss things I didn't realize were in the area. Detroit's spoke system of streets makes this ordering natural and convenient.
It strikes me that this would actually be a good feature to include on the main list page in some form or another. I could do a few differet thing:
There are advantages and disadvantages to each, which I can ennumerate, but I don't want to bore people with a lengthy posting (but I can, on request). And I know the be BOLD rule, but I really don't want to spend hours on this and have someone point out why it's a dumb idea for some reason I haven't considered.
So. Comments? Andrew Jameson ( talk) 16:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I just found out that the historic looking Jefferson City (Amtrak station) is part of a complex of historic buildings that includes the Lohman's Landing Building. Of the three buildings in this complex, the Lohman's Landing Building is the only one that has an NRHP listing. So should the station still be listed as a contributing property? ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to put together a modified lighthouse infobox that has NRHP material in it. Please see User:Mangoe/Point Judith Light for a sample. Mangoe ( talk) 03:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
doncram ( talk) 16:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I think an excellent example of how to do this is at {{ infobox religious building}}, which has an optional section for NRHP stuff. Daniel Case ( talk) 15:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I started a list of
Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRHP articles needing attention. Most of the entries thus far are NHLs, but feel free to add any NRHP articles that need attention. Also, please fix any that interest you (but strikout, rather than delete the entries until the identifier can check the solutions). Thanks.--
Appraiser (
talk)
14:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Here. Interesting, the changes they've made. Hmmm... -- Ebyabe ( talk) 00:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I wrote up an article on the debtors' prison in Accomac, Virginia, which you can see here - I'm not quite ready to go live with it yet. So far as I know, it's one of only three such structures on the Register - is there a way to check on others? I've already done the basic database search, which reveals that the one in Worham is listed as a RHP in its own right. My chief concern is regarding buildings like the one in Tappahannock, which is listed as part of a historic district and not on its own. Is there any way to do a search of contributing properties to historic districts, short of rooting through each nominating form individually? I only found out about that third one through an HABS search, but they list none outside of the three of which I'm aware. -- User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
A resourceful contributer, User:B. Wolterding, has built a bot to help us identify articles with problems. The listing is here.-- Appraiser ( talk) 13:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me or are others finding that WP is particularly slow the last couple of weeks? Just wondering ... -- Sanfranman59 ( talk) 20:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
During many routine browsings through my time on WP, I noticed there are hundreds of uncategorized NRHP articles. They are missing place-specific categories. Just look at List of Registered Historic Places in Fall River, Massachusetts. Only a few of listed articles are categorized under Category:Fall River, Massachusetts. Is there any possibility to assign a bot to do needed work? - Darwinek ( talk) 10:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I create county-level cats when I've created enough articles on RHPs in a particular county that it's swelling that county's category. So far, I've created only two this way: Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange County, New York and Category:Registered Historic Places in Ulster County, New York, both as part of overall reorgs of those counties' categories. I may be doing another one for Westchester County soon, too.
Whenever I get around to making enough Dutchess County-related articles (NRHPs and otherwise) that I decide to split up that category, I will likely be faced with the issue of creating not just a Dutchess County RHP cat but subcats for Poughkeepsie (90 or so listings, and for all I know there could be more), and maybe Rhinebeck (which includes Rhinecliff) and Hyde Park due to the many listings there. Daniel Case ( talk) 19:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The article needs a page-move from a Virginia park name that is an uncommon usage, to the common name "Sayler's Creek Battlefield", which is also the NHL program name for the site. Proposal for the move at Talk:Sailor's Creek Battlefield State Park#Proposal to move to Sayler's Creek Battlefield. This is an article that i started and to which I added references and HABS photos. The odd name was an the preference of a DYK nominator, to whom i deferred at the time. It is akin to the same editor's preference to use the "War of Northern Aggression" instead of the American Civil War which was the subject of a lot of discussion, and perhaps an RfC, elsewhere, with conclusion that the common name American Civil War should be used. Perhaps since the alternate name is used in the state of Virginia's park system listing, the editor may believe that it has a southern flair. As for American Civil War, the common name should be used. An administrator's assistance will be needed, as there is a redirect in place at the preferred name. doncram ( talk) 17:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Given that NRHP is a function of the US government, does that mean I can just do a straight copy and paste from the history section of an NRHP form? I am looking at a few lines from a very basic NRHP summary of a ship's history which would be rather difficult to deviate from in a substantive way as it contains so little information. Thanks, Gatoclass ( talk) 01:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Motorrad-67 has just edited List of RHPs in WI and split-out separate WI county list-articles, which I was just working on. Mororrad-67 seeks to eliminate use of term "Registered Historic Places", and suggests the term should be eliminated everywhere else as well. Although Motorrad-67's edits appear disruptive, I think that Mororrad-67 may have a valid point or two to make. Discussion at Talk:List of Registered Historic Places in Wisconsin#Wrong title for this article. doncram ( talk) 17:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As Dmadeo notes, woohoo!, another pic, of Thomas Moran's home, added to List of NHLs in NY, photo by Americasroof. And, Dmadeo has just completed a valiant job of describing all 1,000 or so (i think it is that many) NHLs in California. doncram ( talk) 06:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
This Friday's update to the Register includes an awful lot of properties removed in what seems to be coastal Mississippi. I think it's not too much of a stretch to guess that these are belated effects of Hurricane Katrina ... anyone down that way know if that's the case? If so, it could be worth mentioning somewhere. Daniel Case ( talk) 05:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I've uploaded 61 pictures of NRHPs and 15 NHLs onto flickr. I have about 25 more to upload, but my internet connection is screwed up right now and it takes forver to load or edit a page. I'm going to be taking a semi-wikibreak (because of my internet and RL activities I've got going on) and I encourage you guys and gals to use the pix for new articles (if you feel like filling in the gaps). I believe there are 34 NRHP photos in my set that don't have an article and a few NHL articles that need a photo. All are properly licensed and some have already been uploaded to Commons. They're not the best quality, but they'll do for now. Cheers. APK like a lollipop 02:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Can I use a brochure put out by a state park service as a source? If so, what's the correct format for a reference? Lvklock ( talk) 01:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I recently filed a bot request to run a bot to create lists of pageview statistics for WikiProjects. If anyone is interested, I can do one for this project. I've already done one for the Aviation project, you can see it here. Mr. Z-man 23:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
It has been suggested that we may be experiencing over-categorization. Some of the NRHP topical categories are:
I think the project benefits from these. Some of us think about NRHP according to geography - by state, county, or city. But others who are passionate about lighthouses, synagogues, or railroads think in terms of those groupings. Considering that we have barely begun (<20%) to write articles for all of the NRHP, I think these categories are useful to draw in Wikipedians from other areas of interest toward the goal of documenting everything notable in the encyclopedia (all NRHP). Categorization costs us little and can potentially benefit the project and the encyclopedia.-- Appraiser ( talk) 13:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Don: See Category:Listed buildings by function and tell me if you still have the same issue. If it's OK for the UK, it should be OK for us. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)