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I am not good at editing, but I have noticed that the San Diego Chargers page is lacking things that other team pages have. Most notably the box that contained franchise information. It used to have it, and now it is gone. Could someone please fix this. thanks Seantpainter ( talk) 21:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Although I think that the depth charts are a great idea and will make for a good addition to current-season pages (as in the season that's currently taking place), I feel that there is a need for vast improvement. As they are now, depth charts need to be modified by hand, and if one makes a mistake, the depth chart comes out looking wonky, and may require several edits to fix. I think that there needs to be a standard template for the charts, whereby all one has to do is enter a player's name next to a designated position, i.e. QB = Tom Brady
. I'd take this up myself, but I've got no idea where to even start to do something like that, so I think that we need someone who knows what they're doing to take this up. Suggestions? Comments? Ideas?
Wlmaltby3
20:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
{{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart}}
I've implemented it here: {{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart/sandbox}}
There are 5 entries for each position for now, such as QB = name
and
QB2 = name
and it's the same for each position. If there's any need for more slots, they can be added to the template. Any comments? Questions? Suggestions?
Wlmaltby3
22:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
QB = number
or something could work.
Pats1
23:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC){{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart}}
To see it in use: {{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart/sandbox}}
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in front of the numbers for each player after the starter, and I've got no idea how to make it go away. If someone can take a look at that before moving the template to {{
Template:NFL depth chart}}
that'd be appreciated.
Wlmaltby3
06:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
List of current NFL team depth charts
, in accordance with
List of current NFL team rosters
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Wlmaltby3
06:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC){{
Template:NFL depth chart}}
Discuss the template on its talk page.
Wlmaltby3
04:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
{{
NFL depth chart 4-3}}
It's for teams with a base 4-3 defense. The original template will be for teams with base 3-4 templates. Update accordingly!!!
Wlmaltby3 –
talk/
contribs
22:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
{{
NFL depth chart 3-4}}
but I guess I didn't. But that's why we're a project.
Wlmaltby3 –
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18:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)With the draft going on, contracts not signed yet and not even to training camp yet, isn't it a little premature to add rookies to the depth chart? (I noticed the Cleveland Browns page already has Brady Quinn listed first. Mr mark taylor 22:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Not officially, no. Chris Nelson 06:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I would love to see the depth charts junked. Not only does it look terrible, but the list is taken from an unoffical depth chart, at least it is for the Rams. I think the list of players by position is fine and there is no need for a depth chart. -- Pinkkeith 19:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I also don't know where the information for the depth chart is coming from. I know with the Rams they have three strings with the third string being everyone anyone who isn't first string or second string. Yet, the template is done out to the fifth string, which the Rams don't have. In fact, the Rams, as well as many of the other teams I am assuming, haven't got a depth chart mapped out yet. The roster at least has an off site link to show where this information came from, but the depth chart template is missing its reference source. -- Pinkkeith 15:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Should Team Pages Include A Depth Chart?
Please add your vote with four tildes and mark your support.
So Seven people say no to having Depth Charts on NFL team pages. That doesn't mean there isn't a place for a NFL Depth Charts page for those of us who are interested in how recent team changes will affect each depth chart. I think it's more of a question of fans committment on Wikipedia to support such an undertaking. I for one can fully back up a Vikings Depth Chart with references as stated above. Justvikings 22:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
It's hard to tell the difference between a rookie and a normal player. The italics just blend in with the rest. I thought we decided that NFL Europe players were to be denoted, and not listed in a separate section because they do play the position and they are on the team.++ aviper2k7++ 22:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I tried to go back to the way it was. I created a template system to use the notations very easily. I colored the notations, but they can be edited fairly easy. Tell me what you think. Template:Green Bay Packers roster++ aviper2k7++ 22:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I've completely revised and rewritten Brady Quinn's article. It now includes sources: I sourced what I felt needed to be sourced; if I've over-sourced, please correct my mistakes. I feel that the article can now qualify as a WP:GA but I'm not sure it's quite there yet. Please let me know what you think. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 04:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Is the Category:FA-Class National Football League articles just for featured articles or can featured lists also be added here because there isn't any category for featured lists? Gman124 22:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I have noticed that 49ers' colors are a bit off. For example, Arnaz Battle's player page template on the right, the color looks like the Redskins color not the niners. I suggest we change the color to the one on Frank Gore. That would mean we change the color from #92000a to #C41E3A. Giantsrule 22:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
None of those colors looks like the 49ers Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 04:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)navychappy
I was browsing through the {{Chicago Bears depth chart}} template, when I realized that to does not cite any of its information (See WP:A, WP:Cite, WP:NOR). As far as I know, the team has not updated their depth chart from 2006. Additionally, is there really a point to listing a depth chart on a team's main page? Why not just leave it on their season-by-season articles. -- ShadowJester07 ►Talk 05:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
We currently have zero A class articles I just wanted to inform everyone that they can actually rate an article A class if they read the assessment scale and feel the article meets the criteria. A class is above GA class so please note that an article should probably be a GA before it gets rated A class. Quadzilla99 10:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on the 1986 New York Giants season article and can't find the coaching staff info anywhere. I looked through all my old football history books and the The New York Times online archives to no avail. Does anyone knows a source for old team coaching staffs online? I'd like to get the whole staff, I know several of them off the top of my head but need a full source. Thanks in advance. Quadzilla99 12:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone changed something that made it so that the "DatabaseFootball" links in player infoboxes say "ESPN" and send the user nowhere. I don't know how to fix it. Jwalte04 21:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I've converted Trade deadline from a redirect page to an article stub. I was really, really surprised that there was no article about this significant sports terminology. (The term had redirected to a disambiguation page concerning its purely commercial/financial sense.) However, knowing next to nothing about NFL I'm hoping others can help in expanding the article as regards trade deadlines in NFL, and also correct any errors I may have made in the term's definition etc.. Cheers, A bit iffy 15:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Based on the new version of criterion #8 of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, there may be a problem with using certain logos on the {{ Infobox NFL season}} infoboxes. Using Image:Logon.gif on 2007 Philadelphia Eagles season will probably be okay because it is the primary logo for that particular season. But using Image:PhiladelphiaEagles 100.gif on 2006 Philadelphia Eagles season may not be because it is the general team logo, and not really the logo of the primary subject of that article. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Alot of the NFL draft pages were over wikilinked, so need help with cleening up those pages, thanks. Gman124 19:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Previously, there was a lot of talk about how cluttered the roster templates were becoming. However, i think there's been a lot of good work put into making them look as good as they do now (see: List_of_current_NFL_team_rosters), especially by Chrisjnelson and Pats.
But, I wanted to bring up one addition that I think is unecessary on the current rosters, and that's the listing of the Reserve/Retired list (i.e. where players are "officially" put when they retire so a team maintains their rights). Is it really necessary for Antonio Freeman to be listed on the Template:Green_Bay_Packers_roster? Or Tiki Barber, who come this season will be working on the Today Show (or something) to be listed on the Template:New_York_Giants_roster? Or how about Chad Schroeder of the Chargers, who I believe was signed as an undrafted rookie free agent, retired before ever playing a snap in the NFL, and is now listed on the Template:San_Diego_Chargers_roster reserve/retired list? I'm really not sure there's any value added by having this list on the roster template.
My other concern is the Verifiability of these lists. Sure, we know that Barber is on the Giants' list and Mike Bartrum is on the eagles list, because they just retired. But, as far as I know, there's not a source that will easily let someone view the official Reserve/Retired lists of each team. Also, i'm guessing there will be no good way of determining when a player is off of the Reserve/Retired list. Do they stay there forever? I'm not sure how that works.
Just wanted to see what the community thought about removing this from the roster templates. Bjewiki 17:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Fine, let's remove it. I don't care and I doubt anyone else has strong feelings about it staying either. So let's take it off. Just know that particular argument about completeness is illogical. Chris Nelson 19:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The NFL has just announced that NFL Europa has ceased o♠♠perations with immediate effect ( [1] ), meaning now in effect all the pages on the 6 teams and the World Bowl etc. need to be changed to reflect past tense. 89.240.181.152 14:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I just joined this and WP:AMF. I suspect most of my time will be spent here though. I'll start fishing around and hope this is fun. Jmfangio 07:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
One of the major problems I find in sports related articles is with content duplication. For example, both Barry Sanders ( this version) and Joe Montana ( this version) suffer from this. I am inclined to either a) remove all the stat tables or b) shorten them to include just a career stats line. WP:EL speaks to this specifically and it recommends that stats are linked to externally. Additionally, it is very easy for vandals to adjust tables of information without notice. Relying on external sites for this is very good. The ELs in general on here are poorly integrated and in many cases (such as those mentioned), they need to be overhauled in a major way. I am in the process of creating some templates that will ease the process and I am open to some suggestions. Lastly, many people love to create succession boxes, info boxes, and a slew of other templates. I am a big fan of templates. That aside, many of them simply repeat text. Take a look at the bottom of the Michael Vick article. You can see how the succession boxes often repeat information. I think we need to establish some standards for acceptable ELs specific to the project and how we avoid information duplication in the future. Jmfangio 08:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Should these be addressed on the project page? I know that the sport of baseball will have some serious notability issues, but what about the NFL? I am guessing that there should be some mention for players, coaches, and team owners (that they are all notable). But should we also make some note for things like "Super Fans" and or others. I don't know that an NFL waterboy should have an article simply because they existed. Jmfangio 09:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems that their needs to be a clarification on depth or lack there of needs to be addressed. At this time we have a major disagreement and we need your help. ( any editor of a N.F.L. team)The discussion is going on at Talk:San Diego Chargers Please drop in take a read and be sure to look at the history of Talk:San Diego Chargers and the history of the Charger articule and then share your thoughts on what is and is not appropriate for the main articule. Hopefully we will form a consensus as to the best format to use so edit wars can in the future be avoided. It also may help to encourage more discussion on the WikiProject National Football League and a better understanding of how we can best contribute. RMANCIL 11:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Per this conversation, I thought it would be useful to create a separate template for former NFL players. I have started to create one at User:Jmfangio/Template:NFLretired. Please chime in here with thoughts and suggestions. Jmfangio ► Talk 22:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Please discuss this here Jmfangio ► Talk 22:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on revamping the portal. I'm borrowing from several other projects and you can see the new page here. Much of it is ripped from WP:DOH, so that information is being phased out. Any help is welcomed. Jmfangio ► Talk 08:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments. It's basically a reworking of some other project pages. I'm working on some templates that will make it easier to edit. You can see one of them in the mini-tasks section. I'm trying to see how to get the {{ todo}} template inserted, but even when i dropped it in a fixed width box, it messed up the display. Jmfangio ► Talk 20:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I know there are a number of stat sites which are perfectly acceptable. I would like to incorporate one of them into the stats section of the Template:NFLretired template. Which one should I use? Jmfangio ► Talk 23:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
ESPN is pretty good however the most used professional site is STATS [2]. I would have to think that you would need to make the decision based on ease of use for you with the Template. RMANCIL 10:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
The NFL has thier Hall of Fame Page, and that site has all the stats for retired players, it would make sense to use that page Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 04:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I notice a user has been deleting colors from templates and leaving the edit summary the "(No colors for retired players or coaches)". Has this been discussed somewhere - are there guidelines to use? Thanks. -- Chancemichaels 21:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Chancemichaels
Per WP:NCA, i'm fixing a lot of the article titles. I just completed the "division" articles. These all seem rather straight forward and "uncontroversial", but if you have any thoughts, feel free to express them here. Jmfangio| ►Chat 12:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see User talk:Jmfangio/Template:NFLactive#Poll to vote. Pats1 18:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I do not see more people becoming involved as it seems that this area (Pro Football) is rather hostile to new editors. I am about fed up with my treatment from Pats1 on every issue I edit on. It appears that a consensus needs to form on several topics and a much different less confrontational approach is needed if you guys in fact want more involvement from interested parties. Right now Pats1 and myself are having a major disagreement on the 2007 Charger season page however we have improved in that it is preceding a edit war on the page instead of following one which was the case on the main Charger page which remains locked even though 4 editors including myself have formed a consensus. Pats1 has refused to moderate his position on the subject and as I understand it the page will remained locked until he does. Zzyzx11 is tired of the not stop back and forth and frankly so am I.
I am editing far less as every project I get involved in becomes a argument with Pats1, some how that needs to stop. There must be a better way to promote harmony and to create direction and a consensus for the team pages and the related articles.
I think a different approach needs to take place on how new editors are approached and that a consensus needs to be formed that all interested parties can follow in regards to inviting new editors to the table. Leadership is needed along with education and a step by step format so that all teams share the same basic structure. In short encouragement instead of discouragement in participation and direction. RMANCIL 10:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
So I was going to go in and get everything up to date at {{ Infobox NFL player#Team colors}} based on the various team homepages and the logos. I noticed a problem: not all the teams have colors that are solid. In other words, if you take the SF 49ers logo, ( here's one example) you will notice that their "gold" is not solid throughout. What do we do about this since we can only define one hex color? As much as I hate to say it, does this mean we should seriously consider abandoning team colors? I know people love them but if the NBA and NHL can accept this, maybe this project should too. For examples, you can view Martin Brodeur and Paul Pierce. Jmfangio| ►Chat 01:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not going to mention all of the teams. Yet, I know that the St. Louis Rams colors are incorrect. Pats1 used the RGB that is listed there on the Rams templates. Just take a look at the template and the helmet and Rams head logo; it looks nothing a like. I'm not working on all of the NFL pages, but I can say that the color that I got for the Rams was taken by copying the helmet on to Paint Shop Pro and getting the correct RGB from the software. -- Pinkkeith 18:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
For example look at the template as of this date and time:
Template:St. Louis Rams
Compared to the helmet logo:
Image:St Louis Rams helmet rightface.png
Just looking at it you can tell that the gold color is not the same. --
Pinkkeith
18:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I've come across several players who've been moved from having "(American football)" as their disambiguation to having "(football player)" as their disambiguation, even after they'd been moved from "(football player)" to "(American football)" to begin with. I think a consensus needs to be reached on how to disambiguate players, because claiming they're football players is only partially true. For example, Sean Jones of the Cleveland Browns is technically a football player, but to those outside of the United States and Canada, he's an American football player; he doesn't play football, which is what soccer is called in almost every other country of the world. Therefore, I'm fully supportive of the fact that players either need to be disambiguated with "(American football)" (or "(American football player)"), the team they're currently playing for, or their position. To call them "football players" is misleading. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 13:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
A number of players are differentiated by their "position". I cannot find anything in WP:D and WP:NC that either supports this, or shows that it is not the way to do things. So is this the best way? Should we not add (American football + position) for proper disambig? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 11:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I have run across a player name that is also in need of differentiation - Rodney Thomas. In my initial research has turned up the following four players with the same name:
The origial article that was started about a college player from Texas A&M that went on to play in the NFL. Then an unregistered user added info about another player with the same name that played linebacker for Clemson but that did not go on to play professional ball. I was going to disambig them by position as others have done but that won't work in this case. My next thought was to do it by college but I don't recall ever seeing that. Any suggestions? -- JustAGal 18:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
After User:Jmfangio asking how to move pages to help with the disambiguation of badly disambiguated pages - ie Player Name (football), Player Name (American football player), Player Name (football player), which if under Category:National Football League players and subcategories, need disambiguating to (American football). I've made a list from the category, filtered it down for duplicates, and where the proposed target page exists, and have 607 potential moves. User:Reedy_Boy/American_footballers.
Before doing this, and getting approval for the task, there of course, needs to be some consensus. Most likely people to approve this, is you guys. Whats the general opinion? Thanks Reedy Boy 20:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Duplicates
Shall i exclude them aswell then? That is from a duplicate search between my list, and Category:Canadian_football_players
Reedy Boy 21:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not proceed with any mass renaming. Until at least the time as we have a biography of a soccer player of the same name, adding American, Canadian to the title is not essential. Disambiguations should be minimal, and do not have to tell the whole story. More importantly, as I explained above, disambiguating by profession, not field, is nearly universal for biographical articles, so player should always be included in any disambiguation. × Meegs 08:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
If you feel you are well versed on the "Pro Bowl Debate", please vote at Template_talk:Infobox_NFLactive#Survey. If you are still interested, but not already familiar, please spend some time reading that discussion page. Please do not vote unless you have familiarized yourself with the issue. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 21:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to get the general consensus on the inclusion of player measureables (40time,shuttle,3-cone,vert,bench,wonderlic) in player articles. I believe they are valuable because they allow you to compare players in a fairly objective manner much like you compare players by their weight and height. If they have a relatively fast 40-yard dash, then one can assume that that skill would be an asset on a football field much like height is for a basketball player. If you ever watch an NFL draft, every player is compared and categorized based on their production and measureables throughout the whole show. These results define players and if sourced correctly are valuable additions to a profile. The only objection that one can think up is that it might be too stat-driven but if you don't know what a vertical jump is or a bench press, then there's no way you will understand such basic football elements as a sack or interception. I would go even as far to suggest that a template be made to house such information making it clean and concise. Does anybody think that measureables in a limited one-two sentence capacity would have a negative effect on the whole player article? Pats1 and myself are interested in your response. Thank You. Eeks2284 04:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Do you think this is ready for a poll yet? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 08:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else want to get in on the editing of the Joe Montana article? I've reworked a great deal of content; I'm hoping to get some others to jump in. I can go ahead and finish, but it would be nice to get some fresh input. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 00:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I think all the content in these pages should be merged back into the articles about the player, because there is no notability for "career achievements by ____". Any thoughts? Corpx 05:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else care to chip in on this? This information should be merged into the articles, and not have a separate list of accomplishments by ____. I cant speak for basketball/golf, but I do not think football articles should be doing this. Most of List of career achievements by Vince Young are trivial school records he set while at Texas and all the award information is already in the Vince Young article. I noticed that the same was List of career achievements by Brett Favre and List of career achievements by Peyton Manning were both redirected back to the main article and would like some 3rd party input on this Corpx 07:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Here's an idea: How about creating a Super Bowl team template with the roster information (see for example what they have for NBA champions on the bottom of the team page), only we do this for both teams instead of just the winner. WAVY 10 14:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I just created Category:National Football League free agents. There is an el there that i think will really help people who want to find FAs. I've added a handful of players already, but i think this will be the most useful way to view the information. Lists would be harder to update. I'm talking to someone about having the NFLactive infobox help in the maintenance, but i don't know how easily that will be (if it is even possible). Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 10:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
On Template talk:Infobox NFLactive, there has been a bit of acrimony regarding whether to name Pro Bowls by the year in which they occurred, or the season they followed. It just occurred to me that this is a question of general interest to the NFL Wikiproject, and the convention should be consistent across the encyclopedia, so I have suggested to the interested parties that they move the discussion here.
Right now, the Pro Bowl articles themselves are named by the year in which they took place, rather than the season with which they are associated--so 2007 Pro Bowl refers to the game that took place on February 10, 2007, following the 2006 season. Should we stay with this, or change it? Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 15:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
The National Football League, and the NFL Network refer to the Game in the year it was played, and the players have listed in their NFL Pages the election to the pro bowl for the season, so the NFL does not have uniformity with this game either. Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like to call people to join in an imortant discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates ranges in infoboxes/templates. This project has a number of infoboxes where this discussion is applicable. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 02:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to get some input on a topic at Template talk:Infobox NFLactive. I would like your opinion on an addition I made that is being contested. I have added a field to the infobox called "undraftyear", and when a year is entered it adds a line under a guy's college that says " Undrafted in 1997" or whatever year is appropriate. I did this because I felt there should be something noting a guy went undrafted, similar to the info for drafted players that was already in place. To see how this would look in an article, see here or here. If you would be in favor of this edit, I'd ask you to kindly voice this at Template talk:Infobox NFLactive#Undrafted free agents. It is being contested by one person because they feel the year should not be there. I feel the year is important, just as the year of drafting is important. I also feel that since we have an NFL debut section in the infobox as well as a listed of teams and years played for each, it wouldn't cause any confusion. So if you're okay with this edit or you'd like to get in the discussion, I'd encourage you to do so. Thanks!► Chris Nelson 22:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There's apparently some disagreement as to how one should spell the first name of Colts linebacker Freddie Keiaho. The Colts.com site and Indianapolis' news outlets consistently spell Freddy with a 'y', but the NFL.com site spells it with an 'ie'. Of course this is just a nickname and he can spell it however he wants, but there must be more consistency, particularly in the article itself, which uses both spellings. I'm partial to the Y spelling, as it's how the Colts spell it, as well as other local news affiliates (see indystar.com). I would think that they'd know how Freddy spells his name. Even the programs available at the home games at the RCA dome use Freddy. Is there a "policy" for such a circumstance? Do you go by the NFL's spelling, or the team's spelling? Are there many players with nicknames used that have a question of spelling? I guess I'd just like some sort of "ruling" to decide how his name is actually spelled, and for that spelling to be used throught the article. My vote is for Freddy. Brainscar 03:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I just created Scott Milanovich and it is now a WP:GAC#Everyday life. If you are comfortable with the process, please feel free to check it out. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 08:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Me and User:Jmfangio have a disagreement on whether List of career achievements by Vince Young should be allowed to remain, or whether the content (except for the school records) should be merged back into Vince Young. Please reply here. Corpx 07:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
You're deeming straw polls inappropriate using an essay? There is nothing wrong with using a straw poll to see where the community stands on this. Besides, I'm asking for more than just a vote. I'd prefer some reasoning behind the vote also Corpx 13:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
As much as I'd like to think so, a comparison of achievements by Vince is not comparable to achievements by Michael Jordan. I can see it being appropriate for somebody of MJ's caliber, with all the rings and awards, but Vince is not anywhere close to that (yet) Corpx 15:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, this boy has only been in the league for one year and two games...you could call this early career achievements, but his career is still ahead of him. Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Should a player have categories of a team he never played an actual regular season game for, for example should Sam Rayburn have the category San Francisco 49ers players if he never played a game for the 49ers. I believe he shouldnt have this category, what do you think-- Yankees10 23:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Because the preseason IS playing, and there is NO rule for these categories stating it must be REGULAR SEASON play. I would be able to produce pictures and all other kinds of evidence showing Favre played for the Texans that preseason. And preseason or not, it is still a real live NFL game with the same rules, the same refs, etc. It's playing. If Favre PLAYED in preseason for Houston, it would be totally factually correct to say he played for them, and the category applies. The problem here is that people are making up rules for the category when they do not exist. You can't definitively say only regular season counts when it comes to these categories - it's simply not established and because of that, Favre would fit the criteria. What you're missing here is that these players FIT the criteria. THAT is why they should have the category.► Chris Nelson 07:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Well I'm sorry you feel my behavior is rude and uncivil, although I completely disagree. I'm just trying to help you understand that you're wrong. Fortunately, almost everyone would disagree with you on the Brady Quinn thing so I'm glad you're not in charge. And preseason games are GAMES no matter how little they matter. They are real games. Not scrimmages, but games. They have NFL.com game books. See? Real live NFL games. Teams. Players. Uniforms. Referees. Coin tosses. Play clocks. Rules, etc. They are games. Therefore if somebody plays in one, they have played for that team. This is not complicated.► Chris Nelson 08:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I think a straw poll would be in order sometime in the near future. I would like to see Yankees10 and jmfangio enter the discussion though, so we can come to some sort of an agreement, not just keep entering into edit wars on pages like Patrick Pass and Jonathan Smith. Pats1 20:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, so far Chris Nelson and Pats1 are losing this discussion-- Yankees10 23:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Pats1 seems to think it is a good idea to have 07 in the infobox, despite being cut by the team, for example he has Vinny Testaverde 2006-2007, he was cut before the 2007 season, and I think it is going overboard with having that in the infobox.-- Yankees10 23:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
yes they should have the category if they were injured because they still were on the team and they were still on the team if they were on the practice squad, they didnt get cut at any time.-- Yankees10 00:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay. I pretty much know your views on it though - regular season play only. I'm interested to see what Juan has to say, since from his previous post it sounds like he things the PUP one should not have it, but the PS one should. I'm attempting to establish if I have him right or not.► Chris Nelson 23:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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With respect to the outstanding comments by Chrisjnelson, who is not able to comment on this discussion at this time: Where do we stand on this? Can we resolve this matter without having to bring in WP:DR. JmFangio| ►Chat 03:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC) I dont know where we stand either, Pats1 hasnt responded in a long time-- Yankees10 22:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I believe that when the season starts and the player is on the team, they should have a category stating that he was a player for that team. I think that there should be a new category created like Category:Philadelphia Eagles offseason players for those players who played during the pre-season and/or pratice-squad. Thanks -- Phbasketball6 17:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I also do not like the idea of having Vinny Testaverde as a Patriot from 2006 to 2007 in the infobox, because it created confussion that he might have played a game in the regular season for the Patriots. -- Phbasketball6 17:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
By the way, Chrisjnelson has been unblocked but won't be able to contribute to this discussion for a few weeks while he's essentially on probation. Pats1 18:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Hi, I've been asked to come here and explain something. A checkuser recently identified Jmfangio as the reincarnation of a community banned editor who used to disrupt baseball articles. As one of the sysops who investigated this matter, I'll point out that blocking policy allows blanking the posts of any editor who violates WP:SOCK during a block or a ban. So weigh Jm's arguments if you think they have merit, bearing in mind that any editor in good standing could remove those statements from this page. Durova Charge! 18:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I still think Phbasketball6s idea is the best having the offseason in the category, for example category:Philadelphia Eagles offeseason players-- Yankees10 23:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I have seen players signed to a team, yet never play a down and get cut the next week, do they meet the requirements? They signed a contract and stood on the sidelines, but did not play a down. Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Pats1 keeps putting in the infobox that Josh Miller was on the team in 2007, who cares that he was cut before the season, put it in the article not in the infobox, and he is also very controlling over players that have or are currently playing for the Pats.-- Yankees10 03:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
It does not have to be in the infobox, it is just unnecessary, just put it in the article,and im not trying to make it disappear that he was on the team in 2007, just write it in the god damn article that he was cut-- Yankees10 01:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I really dont know what to say about this situation anymore, I have already explained all my ideas-- Yankees10 01:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC) |
Alright, it's very hard to navigate throughout this discussion because of the comments which have steered far too much off course. So... let's begin again. What should we do about the categories for players who didn't play a regular-season NFL game? Ksy92003 (talk) 01:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I wont be responding till tomorrow, just to let everyone know.-- Yankees10 01:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
am I aloud to respond even though i am a ag address, or whatever it is, because if i am than i think it is dumb to have the categories if they didnt play a game for the team to have the category-- 75.82.16.153 04:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
By the way it is a IP address not AG address, anyways I dont really know what else to say about the categories thing I just think its dumb to have them if they didn't play during the regular season for the team- Yankees10 23:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
And now Yankees10 has continued with his reverting of infoboxes using accurate team histories, even those with the special notation Chris has been adding. When I reverted his change, Yankees10 proceeded to tell me that "no one agrees with your idea, so just stop, all the other players released before the 07 season dont have that". Pats1 T/ C 01:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
first of all I havent gotten rid of the notation in about a month and a half, since I know agree with the idea that it should be there, check my edits if you dont believe me, and Pats1 check all the other players that were relesed right before the 2007 season it doesnt say they were on the team, it is only there if they never played for the team before the 07 offseason-- Yankees10 01:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
The above project hasn't yet really gotten started. Any members of this project who might be interested would be very welcome to help this project get off the ground. Thank you. John Carter 17:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I noticed someone changed the scores I'd posted on the 2007 Cleveland Browns season article with the reasoning that the Browns' score should come before the opponents' score; however, this wasn't done with uniformity, as the editor didn't change all the scores so the Browns' score came first. I've ALWAYS been under the understanding that the visiting team's score comes first, regardless who wins the game. Therefore, if the Patriots are at home and they beat the Browns 34-33, the score will read 33-34, because the Browns are the visiting team. I could be wrong, but I've always been under that assumption. It's just like in baseball: the Indians beat the Tigers 6-5, but the score reads 5-6 because the Tigers were the visiting team. Everyone's going to say "they won six to five," but the official scorers are going to put 5-6. So I think someone needs to clarify this. Really though, I think it's going to be one of those things where it can go either way. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 07:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
You are correct, if you look at articles in the newspaper they will list the score example:
The Cincinnati Bengals lost their game with cross state rivals the Cleveland Browns 45-51.
Here is where you are mistaken, if the article is about the winning team it would be listed the as follows: example:
The Cleveland Browns beat cross state rivals the Cincinnati Bengals 51-45.
That is the best way to do this, I think? Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. I've seen it both ways, but at least we got consensus without a huge debate. We'll go high-low. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 04:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I have checked several articles that use this template and have noticed that the draft info is not showing. If you go into edit, you find the info IS there. Has anyone else noticed this? -- JustAGal 15:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
What exactly was the rationale behind splitting the player template into active and retired? Looking at both, I'm not seeing what couldn't be accomplished in the same template, e.g. Template:Infobox musical artist which can cover opera to grunge bands to solo artists. The Deions and Keyshawns get cut and go into the booth but are certainly capable of being lured back at any time. Morten Andersen was just taken out of cold storage by the Falcons, so his infobox would have to be flipped then then likely flipped back at the end of the season when he likely retired for good. What do we do with Vick's current situation? Just seems like this split creates a lot more issues than it solves, as things will get quickly out of date. Tarc 11:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
re:
Cheers // Fra nkB 22:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, I've cleaned up the Adrian L. Peterson article and I feel it is close to being nominated for WP:GA. I'm looking for some reviewers to go over it and leave comments or make edits in order to get this article ready. Thank you! RyguyMN 16:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we vote on a new infobox, like favor the Template:Infobox NFLactive instead of the Template:Infobox NFL player? Thanks-- Phbasketball6 21:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Infobox NFLactive-it is better looking and takes up less space, and everyone has agreed that is the better one-- Yankees10 23:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
NFL player for ease and simplicity. This split template idea is a bad idea, for resasons outlined earlier. Tarc 00:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Infobox NFLactive but I agree with Tarc, I want the NFL active but I think the NFL active infobox should be used for active and players of the past. Thanks--
Phbasketball6
02:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Yea, even though I agree with Tarc, Chris is right. Thanks--
Phbasketball6
02:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Yea, Tarc before you were not clear at all, i take back what I said earlier. Thanks-- Phbasketball6 15:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
no new infobox, the one is good-- 75.82.16.153 03:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to turn everybody's attention to Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion.
Right now, this doesn't seem to be like any sort of discussion, rather people just saying which they like. Ksy92003 (talk) 05:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Well I don't know if this is the right place, but as it is the NFL Wikiproject someone here would probably know. I've wondered for some time now why in both the NFL and MLB the teams are divided into National and American conferences/leagues, as appose to the NHL and the NBA which has West and East (right?). I get that the old teams from before the merge between the two leagues are in that conference (if they are). But what about new teams (or haven't there been any new teams since the merge? in either the NFL or MLB?) Chandler talk 01:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
For the NFL, see AFL-NFL merger. KyuuA4 17:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#North American football players for a group which would work specifically on articles relating to biographies of individual players, coaches, and other related individuals. Any parties interested in working with such a group are encouraged to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start the group in earnest. Thank you. John Carter 13:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Should we create an infobox for NFL owners? I have been using {{ Infobox_Person}} for the owner's infobox's, which is generic. -- Pinkkeith 14:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, does anyone know where I could find a free use image (other other acceptable image) for the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry? Really needs one. Jwalte04 17:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to see if anyone had any suggestions, comments, criticisms, for my List of Washington Redskins players page and List of Washington Redskins first-round draft picks. I'm trying to get them up-to-par with other player lists from different sports and maybe to Featured List status. I have added them to the peer review page, but thought that I would go more local in the help. So if you have any advice, write something on my talk page, the talk page for the articles themselves, or feel free to change them yourself! Thanks again, Jwalte04 17:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
One more thing, also looking for help on the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry article.
Congratulations to Pats1, who is now an admin. youngamerican ( wtf?) 17:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
It has been called to my attention by Yankees10 ( talk · contribs) that there are several articles in which the player infoboxes contain the flags of the state the player was born in. See Corey Simon, Walter Payton, Jim Kelly, or Barry Sanders for an example. Chrisjnelson ( talk · contribs), in an edit to Corey Simon, said that he read somewhere that flags were not supposed to be used in this manner. Is there a Wikipedia policy that says not to use flags this way, or is there somewhere on the project that says not to use flags in the infobox in this way? Ksy92003 (talk) 20:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm either way with this I like the flags, but wouldnt care if they werent used anymore-- Yankees10 22:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I dislike even the country flags, because I feel it adds un-needed clutter. I even further dislike the state flags that we're talking about here, because most people don't even recognize them, and as Ksy92003 pointed out, they would likely be especially useless to wikiepedia users from overseas. Bjewiki ( Talk) 11:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
-Alright guys, I was bored on night and I decided to play around with the Pre-Super Bowl and Super Bowl infoboxes and decided to make a mock one where both of them are merged since I mean it is the same league pre and post Super Bowl era. Here is a sample of it and give me the feedback. No action will be taken until everyone agrees upon this even though I kind of added it to the Pre-Super Bowl articles already but those are needed of work anyway.
Comments please..and thank you. -- Happyman22 03:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Many of the player pages have sections on when the player was in high school and/or in college. Many of these are calling them careers. Webster calls a career "a chosen profession or occupation". I just feel that being in high school or college isn't an occupation or a profession. To me it is an educational time to get an occupation. Should we call these "years" instead of "careers"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkkeith ( talk • contribs) 17:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The Rams logo was deleted a while ago. Could some kind person please put one back up. Everytime I always post an image it always seems to get deleted for one reason or another. I never know what they are looking for. Thanks, I appreciate it. -- Pinkkeith 00:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a general consensus about what constitutes having "been a member of" a team? I've run across several atypical situations and wasn't sure of the consensus. I would think a player becomes a member of a team when he signs a contract with them. But what about those drafted but cut during training camp? or spent one or more seasons on a team's practice squad? or signed by a team and them allocated to NFL Europe for one or more seasons? — xanderer 18:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna give my opinion based on something I learned in Government class. Every case is different. For every person, there are certain circumstances which can change the ruling of a court case, such as insanity at the time of the crime due to not taking their medication, or whatnot. Not every example is exactly the same, and all the time there will be new twists that could change everything. The reason I'm applying this to this matter is this: there are countless reasons why somebody would be on the practice squad or under contract and be released from the club in some manner. There are so many different situations that you can't really say that there is one specific way that we should work with these situations. I see this as a case-by-case scenario; we can't really say if they should all have the category or not because every situation is different. Ksy92003 (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
You mean like this guy, who was released eight days ago but still has Jets colors and the team name? The moral of the story is that NFL.com is not a great source for this kind of thing.► Chris Nelson Holla! 18:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a list somewhere of Eagles captains? I am working on the Wistert brothers' articles and Al Wistert could use either a navbox or succession box to show his captaincy. In some sports succession boxes or nav boxes are common for captaincies. Is this not kosher for NFL captains?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This week I am working on the Wistert Brothers. Looking at Al Wistert, I think his article could really benefit from two types of templates. Above you see my query about captaincy templates. He could use 1948 and 1949 championship team templates. Unlike the NBA and MLB or even the NCAA, we have not produced championship teams for the NFL. Is there a reason for this?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
--As of now this is just a tweak only seen on the Chicago Bears page. It is a small tweak of the current infobox that is currently in use. You can see the code differences at Template:NFL team and Template:NFL team beta. Once again this is just put other there as a proposal and I have added it to the Bears page just because it is not such a radical change. -- Happyman22 ( talk) 05:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
From what is here there is no uniform infobox. Nothing looks like it has been decided. What is the case, as of Mid Novemebr 2007? Howdythere ( talk) 05:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could get a consensus on how player pages ought to be formatted. I see lots of pages that are using different layouts: high school years vs. early years, college years vs. college career, professional career vs NFL career, and so on. I frankly don't really mind what type of layout we want our format to look like, but I do mind after I work on something and it is changed by a different user to a different format. Do you think we should start a discussion on this? -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 22:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
What Rolando mentioned, I think it's a good idea to add Template:American football uniforms to Template:NFL team. -- Louis Alberto Guel 16:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I edit at Spanish Wikipedia and I've edit all uniforms of the NFL teams. So we could use the same colors and patterns that Spanish Wikipedia use. And I also created and uploaded at Commons socks for teams. I'll show below.
-- Louis Alberto Guel 12:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of uniforms...I looked over rationales in several uniforms and noted the PD rationale of one user, when in fact they should be fair use logo, due to logos being used on the uniforms. Someone please change this. Miranda 23:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I am having trouble using the stats at NFL.com. I have four questions?
I am not sure if your project has an article request section but Jack Clancy would be improved if Paul Staroba and Dave Young (American football) were created and Jarrett Irons would be improved if Paul Irons were created.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:LOTD) 06:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
This has been a point of contention for me on the Patriots season page, and a point of inconsistency in general. The question is this--when listing game locations, what should be listed for Jets home games, "The Meadowlands" or "Giants Stadium"?
I can see the case for those who argue Giants Stadium--since that is the physical location of the game. However, NFL policy states that when the Jets play home games there, it is not called Giants Stadium, but rather The Meadowlands, and I would argue that "verifiability, not truth" makes a better argument for The Meadowlands ("everyone knows" it's Giants Stadium, but verifiable official descriptions of Jets home games say otherwise). [The best analogy I can give is a musical one--the keys of E flat major and D sharp major have the same sound, but you can't look at a piece in E flat and say it's written in D sharp.] The majority of NFL season pages use "The Meadowlands," but this isn't universal (the Patriots page doesn't, and I've seen at least one other that didn't). Samer 17:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Recently I created the Template:NFLStartingRunningbacks and some users think that it shouldnt be a Template due to some teams using more than 1 running back or the starting runningback having less carries than the backups, I just wanted to know what other people thaught about this template-- Yankees10 23:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
How can I confirm if Garland Rivers was a scab player during the 1987 player strike?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 07:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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In looking around at the various season articles for pro football, it appears that there is more info being added this year than last. But I think there is a better way to do it than is currently being done. The way the info is being inserted (eg. 2007 Kansas City Chiefs season) tends to break up the text and creates a much longer TOC. This also has the effect of making it appear more like a sports guide rather than an encyclopedia article. I am proposing that a series of templates be used to create a game box similar to that shown at right. (The templates I created to generate this box are {{ AFB Game Box Start}}, {{ AFB Game Box Scoring Entry}}, and {{ AFB Game Box End}}. Most of the fields are optional, and more could be added.) Moving this extra info off to the side would conserve space and allow the text to flow down the left side unbroken. It would make the article more readable (from top to bottom) and promote the creation of text which is more encyclopedic and not dependent on the info provided in the game box. — Mike 02:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know I am trying to get the Green Bay Packers subproject active again. Anyone interested in improving the articles on the
Green Bay Packers would be very welcome. I have recently brought the project up to par with other team sub-projects, now we just need to start working on the articles. Thanks and if you have any questions feel free to contact me or ask your question on the subprojects talk page.
Gonzo fan2007
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Ok, before this starts to go into edit war, I am asking for a general consensus on what to do with the Baltimore Colts page. Here are the options:
Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Option #2: Redirect to Baltimore Colts (1947-50). -- Louis Alberto Guel 13:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
FYI ... I created some schedule templates similar to what has been used for college football. An example of how they can be used can be found at 2001 Kansas City Chiefs season#Schedule. — Mike 04:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure this is the right place to raise this issue, but what is the naming convention for biographies relating to American football? My own experience on this subject is that we use the term football for football (soccer), and use the term American football for the game played in the US. Is this correct? If so, should the article Ralph Ricker (football coach) be moved to Ralph Ricker (American football coach)? A ecis Brievenbus 22:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
How can I get involved in the NFL Project? I would like to make contibutions to the history of the game. Please let me know!
-- Mickeyp2814 ( talk) 18:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Onside kick needs to be rewritten, and although I know it's more involved with the American Football project, could someone at least help me with the onside kick's relevancy to and use in the NFL (see here)? Let me know on User_Talk:Fleetflame. Fleetflame ( talk) 02:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
There seems to have been a template redirect for {{ Infobox NFL player}}. Now, the template does not seem show the stat links for PFR and DBF. What is going on?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 21:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated Peyton Manning for Good Article status. If anyone wants to review it or has suggestions for improving the article, it would be appreciated. Dlong ( talk) 01:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Is Ray McDonald (running back) the same person as Ray McDonald (Redskins player)? They certainly seem to be the same, but y'all know better than I :) -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 16:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to include one screencap (likely from NFL Films/TV broadcast footage) for each article in the game summary section? WAVY 10 Fan ( talk) 04:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Last year, I created this sample box for the 2007 Kansas City Chiefs season article, and it quickly caught on to other team pages for the 2007 season ( example). I thought I would make everybody aware that it is available to use for all the articles in the 2008 season. Didn't know who to talk to in order to make it official for the WP NFL project. To see what the box looks like when it's fully complete, check this Wiki-link.
Please note that this is an example, and I filled in names that came to mind instantly. I know realistically that Tom Brady would not be seen on the free-agent market anytime soon. Please note the color schemes (red = re-signed; grey = lost to free-agency, retirement, etc.)
Hope you guys like it. conman33( . . .talk) 05:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Position | Player | Tag | Date signed | 2008 team | Contract |
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QB | Tom Brady | UFA | April 4 | New England Patriots | Five years |
RB | RFA | ||||
FB | UFA | ||||
OT | RFA | ||||
C | UFA | ||||
WR | Troy Brown | RFA | N/A (Retired) | ||
TE | UFA | ||||
LB | RFA | ||||
DE | UFA | ||||
DT | RFA | ||||
CB | Asante Samuel | Franchise | February 15 | New England Patriots | One year |
SS | ERFA | ||||
FS | ERFA | ||||
RFA: Restricted free agent, UFA: Unrestricted free agent, ERFA: Exclusive rights free agent |
Five featured lists under the realm of the NFL project have been
nominated here for removal of the featured status. An editor feels these lists require some work to stay as featured content. Unless these suggestions are fixed, these lists could lose their stars. Any help in improving the lists or any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Gonzo fan2007
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It is currently a FLC but at the moment doesn't have enough supports votes to pass. Buc ( talk) 19:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in starting a Kansas City Chiefs subproject? RC-0722 ( talk) 00:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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I am not good at editing, but I have noticed that the San Diego Chargers page is lacking things that other team pages have. Most notably the box that contained franchise information. It used to have it, and now it is gone. Could someone please fix this. thanks Seantpainter ( talk) 21:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Although I think that the depth charts are a great idea and will make for a good addition to current-season pages (as in the season that's currently taking place), I feel that there is a need for vast improvement. As they are now, depth charts need to be modified by hand, and if one makes a mistake, the depth chart comes out looking wonky, and may require several edits to fix. I think that there needs to be a standard template for the charts, whereby all one has to do is enter a player's name next to a designated position, i.e. QB = Tom Brady
. I'd take this up myself, but I've got no idea where to even start to do something like that, so I think that we need someone who knows what they're doing to take this up. Suggestions? Comments? Ideas?
Wlmaltby3
20:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
{{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart}}
I've implemented it here: {{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart/sandbox}}
There are 5 entries for each position for now, such as QB = name
and
QB2 = name
and it's the same for each position. If there's any need for more slots, they can be added to the template. Any comments? Questions? Suggestions?
Wlmaltby3
22:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
QB = number
or something could work.
Pats1
23:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC){{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart}}
To see it in use: {{
User:Wlmaltby3/Depth chart/sandbox}}
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in front of the numbers for each player after the starter, and I've got no idea how to make it go away. If someone can take a look at that before moving the template to {{
Template:NFL depth chart}}
that'd be appreciated.
Wlmaltby3
06:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
List of current NFL team depth charts
, in accordance with
List of current NFL team rosters
.
Wlmaltby3
06:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC){{
Template:NFL depth chart}}
Discuss the template on its talk page.
Wlmaltby3
04:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
{{
NFL depth chart 4-3}}
It's for teams with a base 4-3 defense. The original template will be for teams with base 3-4 templates. Update accordingly!!!
Wlmaltby3 –
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{{
NFL depth chart 3-4}}
but I guess I didn't. But that's why we're a project.
Wlmaltby3 –
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18:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)With the draft going on, contracts not signed yet and not even to training camp yet, isn't it a little premature to add rookies to the depth chart? (I noticed the Cleveland Browns page already has Brady Quinn listed first. Mr mark taylor 22:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Not officially, no. Chris Nelson 06:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I would love to see the depth charts junked. Not only does it look terrible, but the list is taken from an unoffical depth chart, at least it is for the Rams. I think the list of players by position is fine and there is no need for a depth chart. -- Pinkkeith 19:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I also don't know where the information for the depth chart is coming from. I know with the Rams they have three strings with the third string being everyone anyone who isn't first string or second string. Yet, the template is done out to the fifth string, which the Rams don't have. In fact, the Rams, as well as many of the other teams I am assuming, haven't got a depth chart mapped out yet. The roster at least has an off site link to show where this information came from, but the depth chart template is missing its reference source. -- Pinkkeith 15:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Should Team Pages Include A Depth Chart?
Please add your vote with four tildes and mark your support.
So Seven people say no to having Depth Charts on NFL team pages. That doesn't mean there isn't a place for a NFL Depth Charts page for those of us who are interested in how recent team changes will affect each depth chart. I think it's more of a question of fans committment on Wikipedia to support such an undertaking. I for one can fully back up a Vikings Depth Chart with references as stated above. Justvikings 22:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
It's hard to tell the difference between a rookie and a normal player. The italics just blend in with the rest. I thought we decided that NFL Europe players were to be denoted, and not listed in a separate section because they do play the position and they are on the team.++ aviper2k7++ 22:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I tried to go back to the way it was. I created a template system to use the notations very easily. I colored the notations, but they can be edited fairly easy. Tell me what you think. Template:Green Bay Packers roster++ aviper2k7++ 22:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I've completely revised and rewritten Brady Quinn's article. It now includes sources: I sourced what I felt needed to be sourced; if I've over-sourced, please correct my mistakes. I feel that the article can now qualify as a WP:GA but I'm not sure it's quite there yet. Please let me know what you think. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 04:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Is the Category:FA-Class National Football League articles just for featured articles or can featured lists also be added here because there isn't any category for featured lists? Gman124 22:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I have noticed that 49ers' colors are a bit off. For example, Arnaz Battle's player page template on the right, the color looks like the Redskins color not the niners. I suggest we change the color to the one on Frank Gore. That would mean we change the color from #92000a to #C41E3A. Giantsrule 22:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
None of those colors looks like the 49ers Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 04:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)navychappy
I was browsing through the {{Chicago Bears depth chart}} template, when I realized that to does not cite any of its information (See WP:A, WP:Cite, WP:NOR). As far as I know, the team has not updated their depth chart from 2006. Additionally, is there really a point to listing a depth chart on a team's main page? Why not just leave it on their season-by-season articles. -- ShadowJester07 ►Talk 05:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
We currently have zero A class articles I just wanted to inform everyone that they can actually rate an article A class if they read the assessment scale and feel the article meets the criteria. A class is above GA class so please note that an article should probably be a GA before it gets rated A class. Quadzilla99 10:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on the 1986 New York Giants season article and can't find the coaching staff info anywhere. I looked through all my old football history books and the The New York Times online archives to no avail. Does anyone knows a source for old team coaching staffs online? I'd like to get the whole staff, I know several of them off the top of my head but need a full source. Thanks in advance. Quadzilla99 12:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone changed something that made it so that the "DatabaseFootball" links in player infoboxes say "ESPN" and send the user nowhere. I don't know how to fix it. Jwalte04 21:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I've converted Trade deadline from a redirect page to an article stub. I was really, really surprised that there was no article about this significant sports terminology. (The term had redirected to a disambiguation page concerning its purely commercial/financial sense.) However, knowing next to nothing about NFL I'm hoping others can help in expanding the article as regards trade deadlines in NFL, and also correct any errors I may have made in the term's definition etc.. Cheers, A bit iffy 15:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Based on the new version of criterion #8 of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, there may be a problem with using certain logos on the {{ Infobox NFL season}} infoboxes. Using Image:Logon.gif on 2007 Philadelphia Eagles season will probably be okay because it is the primary logo for that particular season. But using Image:PhiladelphiaEagles 100.gif on 2006 Philadelphia Eagles season may not be because it is the general team logo, and not really the logo of the primary subject of that article. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Alot of the NFL draft pages were over wikilinked, so need help with cleening up those pages, thanks. Gman124 19:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Previously, there was a lot of talk about how cluttered the roster templates were becoming. However, i think there's been a lot of good work put into making them look as good as they do now (see: List_of_current_NFL_team_rosters), especially by Chrisjnelson and Pats.
But, I wanted to bring up one addition that I think is unecessary on the current rosters, and that's the listing of the Reserve/Retired list (i.e. where players are "officially" put when they retire so a team maintains their rights). Is it really necessary for Antonio Freeman to be listed on the Template:Green_Bay_Packers_roster? Or Tiki Barber, who come this season will be working on the Today Show (or something) to be listed on the Template:New_York_Giants_roster? Or how about Chad Schroeder of the Chargers, who I believe was signed as an undrafted rookie free agent, retired before ever playing a snap in the NFL, and is now listed on the Template:San_Diego_Chargers_roster reserve/retired list? I'm really not sure there's any value added by having this list on the roster template.
My other concern is the Verifiability of these lists. Sure, we know that Barber is on the Giants' list and Mike Bartrum is on the eagles list, because they just retired. But, as far as I know, there's not a source that will easily let someone view the official Reserve/Retired lists of each team. Also, i'm guessing there will be no good way of determining when a player is off of the Reserve/Retired list. Do they stay there forever? I'm not sure how that works.
Just wanted to see what the community thought about removing this from the roster templates. Bjewiki 17:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Fine, let's remove it. I don't care and I doubt anyone else has strong feelings about it staying either. So let's take it off. Just know that particular argument about completeness is illogical. Chris Nelson 19:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The NFL has just announced that NFL Europa has ceased o♠♠perations with immediate effect ( [1] ), meaning now in effect all the pages on the 6 teams and the World Bowl etc. need to be changed to reflect past tense. 89.240.181.152 14:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I just joined this and WP:AMF. I suspect most of my time will be spent here though. I'll start fishing around and hope this is fun. Jmfangio 07:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
One of the major problems I find in sports related articles is with content duplication. For example, both Barry Sanders ( this version) and Joe Montana ( this version) suffer from this. I am inclined to either a) remove all the stat tables or b) shorten them to include just a career stats line. WP:EL speaks to this specifically and it recommends that stats are linked to externally. Additionally, it is very easy for vandals to adjust tables of information without notice. Relying on external sites for this is very good. The ELs in general on here are poorly integrated and in many cases (such as those mentioned), they need to be overhauled in a major way. I am in the process of creating some templates that will ease the process and I am open to some suggestions. Lastly, many people love to create succession boxes, info boxes, and a slew of other templates. I am a big fan of templates. That aside, many of them simply repeat text. Take a look at the bottom of the Michael Vick article. You can see how the succession boxes often repeat information. I think we need to establish some standards for acceptable ELs specific to the project and how we avoid information duplication in the future. Jmfangio 08:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Should these be addressed on the project page? I know that the sport of baseball will have some serious notability issues, but what about the NFL? I am guessing that there should be some mention for players, coaches, and team owners (that they are all notable). But should we also make some note for things like "Super Fans" and or others. I don't know that an NFL waterboy should have an article simply because they existed. Jmfangio 09:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems that their needs to be a clarification on depth or lack there of needs to be addressed. At this time we have a major disagreement and we need your help. ( any editor of a N.F.L. team)The discussion is going on at Talk:San Diego Chargers Please drop in take a read and be sure to look at the history of Talk:San Diego Chargers and the history of the Charger articule and then share your thoughts on what is and is not appropriate for the main articule. Hopefully we will form a consensus as to the best format to use so edit wars can in the future be avoided. It also may help to encourage more discussion on the WikiProject National Football League and a better understanding of how we can best contribute. RMANCIL 11:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Per this conversation, I thought it would be useful to create a separate template for former NFL players. I have started to create one at User:Jmfangio/Template:NFLretired. Please chime in here with thoughts and suggestions. Jmfangio ► Talk 22:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Please discuss this here Jmfangio ► Talk 22:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on revamping the portal. I'm borrowing from several other projects and you can see the new page here. Much of it is ripped from WP:DOH, so that information is being phased out. Any help is welcomed. Jmfangio ► Talk 08:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments. It's basically a reworking of some other project pages. I'm working on some templates that will make it easier to edit. You can see one of them in the mini-tasks section. I'm trying to see how to get the {{ todo}} template inserted, but even when i dropped it in a fixed width box, it messed up the display. Jmfangio ► Talk 20:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I know there are a number of stat sites which are perfectly acceptable. I would like to incorporate one of them into the stats section of the Template:NFLretired template. Which one should I use? Jmfangio ► Talk 23:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
ESPN is pretty good however the most used professional site is STATS [2]. I would have to think that you would need to make the decision based on ease of use for you with the Template. RMANCIL 10:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
The NFL has thier Hall of Fame Page, and that site has all the stats for retired players, it would make sense to use that page Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 04:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I notice a user has been deleting colors from templates and leaving the edit summary the "(No colors for retired players or coaches)". Has this been discussed somewhere - are there guidelines to use? Thanks. -- Chancemichaels 21:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Chancemichaels
Per WP:NCA, i'm fixing a lot of the article titles. I just completed the "division" articles. These all seem rather straight forward and "uncontroversial", but if you have any thoughts, feel free to express them here. Jmfangio| ►Chat 12:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see User talk:Jmfangio/Template:NFLactive#Poll to vote. Pats1 18:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I do not see more people becoming involved as it seems that this area (Pro Football) is rather hostile to new editors. I am about fed up with my treatment from Pats1 on every issue I edit on. It appears that a consensus needs to form on several topics and a much different less confrontational approach is needed if you guys in fact want more involvement from interested parties. Right now Pats1 and myself are having a major disagreement on the 2007 Charger season page however we have improved in that it is preceding a edit war on the page instead of following one which was the case on the main Charger page which remains locked even though 4 editors including myself have formed a consensus. Pats1 has refused to moderate his position on the subject and as I understand it the page will remained locked until he does. Zzyzx11 is tired of the not stop back and forth and frankly so am I.
I am editing far less as every project I get involved in becomes a argument with Pats1, some how that needs to stop. There must be a better way to promote harmony and to create direction and a consensus for the team pages and the related articles.
I think a different approach needs to take place on how new editors are approached and that a consensus needs to be formed that all interested parties can follow in regards to inviting new editors to the table. Leadership is needed along with education and a step by step format so that all teams share the same basic structure. In short encouragement instead of discouragement in participation and direction. RMANCIL 10:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
So I was going to go in and get everything up to date at {{ Infobox NFL player#Team colors}} based on the various team homepages and the logos. I noticed a problem: not all the teams have colors that are solid. In other words, if you take the SF 49ers logo, ( here's one example) you will notice that their "gold" is not solid throughout. What do we do about this since we can only define one hex color? As much as I hate to say it, does this mean we should seriously consider abandoning team colors? I know people love them but if the NBA and NHL can accept this, maybe this project should too. For examples, you can view Martin Brodeur and Paul Pierce. Jmfangio| ►Chat 01:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not going to mention all of the teams. Yet, I know that the St. Louis Rams colors are incorrect. Pats1 used the RGB that is listed there on the Rams templates. Just take a look at the template and the helmet and Rams head logo; it looks nothing a like. I'm not working on all of the NFL pages, but I can say that the color that I got for the Rams was taken by copying the helmet on to Paint Shop Pro and getting the correct RGB from the software. -- Pinkkeith 18:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
For example look at the template as of this date and time:
Template:St. Louis Rams
Compared to the helmet logo:
Image:St Louis Rams helmet rightface.png
Just looking at it you can tell that the gold color is not the same. --
Pinkkeith
18:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I've come across several players who've been moved from having "(American football)" as their disambiguation to having "(football player)" as their disambiguation, even after they'd been moved from "(football player)" to "(American football)" to begin with. I think a consensus needs to be reached on how to disambiguate players, because claiming they're football players is only partially true. For example, Sean Jones of the Cleveland Browns is technically a football player, but to those outside of the United States and Canada, he's an American football player; he doesn't play football, which is what soccer is called in almost every other country of the world. Therefore, I'm fully supportive of the fact that players either need to be disambiguated with "(American football)" (or "(American football player)"), the team they're currently playing for, or their position. To call them "football players" is misleading. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 13:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
A number of players are differentiated by their "position". I cannot find anything in WP:D and WP:NC that either supports this, or shows that it is not the way to do things. So is this the best way? Should we not add (American football + position) for proper disambig? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 11:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I have run across a player name that is also in need of differentiation - Rodney Thomas. In my initial research has turned up the following four players with the same name:
The origial article that was started about a college player from Texas A&M that went on to play in the NFL. Then an unregistered user added info about another player with the same name that played linebacker for Clemson but that did not go on to play professional ball. I was going to disambig them by position as others have done but that won't work in this case. My next thought was to do it by college but I don't recall ever seeing that. Any suggestions? -- JustAGal 18:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
After User:Jmfangio asking how to move pages to help with the disambiguation of badly disambiguated pages - ie Player Name (football), Player Name (American football player), Player Name (football player), which if under Category:National Football League players and subcategories, need disambiguating to (American football). I've made a list from the category, filtered it down for duplicates, and where the proposed target page exists, and have 607 potential moves. User:Reedy_Boy/American_footballers.
Before doing this, and getting approval for the task, there of course, needs to be some consensus. Most likely people to approve this, is you guys. Whats the general opinion? Thanks Reedy Boy 20:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Duplicates
Shall i exclude them aswell then? That is from a duplicate search between my list, and Category:Canadian_football_players
Reedy Boy 21:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not proceed with any mass renaming. Until at least the time as we have a biography of a soccer player of the same name, adding American, Canadian to the title is not essential. Disambiguations should be minimal, and do not have to tell the whole story. More importantly, as I explained above, disambiguating by profession, not field, is nearly universal for biographical articles, so player should always be included in any disambiguation. × Meegs 08:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
If you feel you are well versed on the "Pro Bowl Debate", please vote at Template_talk:Infobox_NFLactive#Survey. If you are still interested, but not already familiar, please spend some time reading that discussion page. Please do not vote unless you have familiarized yourself with the issue. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 21:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to get the general consensus on the inclusion of player measureables (40time,shuttle,3-cone,vert,bench,wonderlic) in player articles. I believe they are valuable because they allow you to compare players in a fairly objective manner much like you compare players by their weight and height. If they have a relatively fast 40-yard dash, then one can assume that that skill would be an asset on a football field much like height is for a basketball player. If you ever watch an NFL draft, every player is compared and categorized based on their production and measureables throughout the whole show. These results define players and if sourced correctly are valuable additions to a profile. The only objection that one can think up is that it might be too stat-driven but if you don't know what a vertical jump is or a bench press, then there's no way you will understand such basic football elements as a sack or interception. I would go even as far to suggest that a template be made to house such information making it clean and concise. Does anybody think that measureables in a limited one-two sentence capacity would have a negative effect on the whole player article? Pats1 and myself are interested in your response. Thank You. Eeks2284 04:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Do you think this is ready for a poll yet? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 08:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else want to get in on the editing of the Joe Montana article? I've reworked a great deal of content; I'm hoping to get some others to jump in. I can go ahead and finish, but it would be nice to get some fresh input. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 00:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I think all the content in these pages should be merged back into the articles about the player, because there is no notability for "career achievements by ____". Any thoughts? Corpx 05:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else care to chip in on this? This information should be merged into the articles, and not have a separate list of accomplishments by ____. I cant speak for basketball/golf, but I do not think football articles should be doing this. Most of List of career achievements by Vince Young are trivial school records he set while at Texas and all the award information is already in the Vince Young article. I noticed that the same was List of career achievements by Brett Favre and List of career achievements by Peyton Manning were both redirected back to the main article and would like some 3rd party input on this Corpx 07:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Here's an idea: How about creating a Super Bowl team template with the roster information (see for example what they have for NBA champions on the bottom of the team page), only we do this for both teams instead of just the winner. WAVY 10 14:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I just created Category:National Football League free agents. There is an el there that i think will really help people who want to find FAs. I've added a handful of players already, but i think this will be the most useful way to view the information. Lists would be harder to update. I'm talking to someone about having the NFLactive infobox help in the maintenance, but i don't know how easily that will be (if it is even possible). Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 10:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
On Template talk:Infobox NFLactive, there has been a bit of acrimony regarding whether to name Pro Bowls by the year in which they occurred, or the season they followed. It just occurred to me that this is a question of general interest to the NFL Wikiproject, and the convention should be consistent across the encyclopedia, so I have suggested to the interested parties that they move the discussion here.
Right now, the Pro Bowl articles themselves are named by the year in which they took place, rather than the season with which they are associated--so 2007 Pro Bowl refers to the game that took place on February 10, 2007, following the 2006 season. Should we stay with this, or change it? Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 15:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
The National Football League, and the NFL Network refer to the Game in the year it was played, and the players have listed in their NFL Pages the election to the pro bowl for the season, so the NFL does not have uniformity with this game either. Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like to call people to join in an imortant discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates ranges in infoboxes/templates. This project has a number of infoboxes where this discussion is applicable. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 02:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to get some input on a topic at Template talk:Infobox NFLactive. I would like your opinion on an addition I made that is being contested. I have added a field to the infobox called "undraftyear", and when a year is entered it adds a line under a guy's college that says " Undrafted in 1997" or whatever year is appropriate. I did this because I felt there should be something noting a guy went undrafted, similar to the info for drafted players that was already in place. To see how this would look in an article, see here or here. If you would be in favor of this edit, I'd ask you to kindly voice this at Template talk:Infobox NFLactive#Undrafted free agents. It is being contested by one person because they feel the year should not be there. I feel the year is important, just as the year of drafting is important. I also feel that since we have an NFL debut section in the infobox as well as a listed of teams and years played for each, it wouldn't cause any confusion. So if you're okay with this edit or you'd like to get in the discussion, I'd encourage you to do so. Thanks!► Chris Nelson 22:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There's apparently some disagreement as to how one should spell the first name of Colts linebacker Freddie Keiaho. The Colts.com site and Indianapolis' news outlets consistently spell Freddy with a 'y', but the NFL.com site spells it with an 'ie'. Of course this is just a nickname and he can spell it however he wants, but there must be more consistency, particularly in the article itself, which uses both spellings. I'm partial to the Y spelling, as it's how the Colts spell it, as well as other local news affiliates (see indystar.com). I would think that they'd know how Freddy spells his name. Even the programs available at the home games at the RCA dome use Freddy. Is there a "policy" for such a circumstance? Do you go by the NFL's spelling, or the team's spelling? Are there many players with nicknames used that have a question of spelling? I guess I'd just like some sort of "ruling" to decide how his name is actually spelled, and for that spelling to be used throught the article. My vote is for Freddy. Brainscar 03:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I just created Scott Milanovich and it is now a WP:GAC#Everyday life. If you are comfortable with the process, please feel free to check it out. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 08:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Me and User:Jmfangio have a disagreement on whether List of career achievements by Vince Young should be allowed to remain, or whether the content (except for the school records) should be merged back into Vince Young. Please reply here. Corpx 07:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
You're deeming straw polls inappropriate using an essay? There is nothing wrong with using a straw poll to see where the community stands on this. Besides, I'm asking for more than just a vote. I'd prefer some reasoning behind the vote also Corpx 13:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
As much as I'd like to think so, a comparison of achievements by Vince is not comparable to achievements by Michael Jordan. I can see it being appropriate for somebody of MJ's caliber, with all the rings and awards, but Vince is not anywhere close to that (yet) Corpx 15:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, this boy has only been in the league for one year and two games...you could call this early career achievements, but his career is still ahead of him. Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Should a player have categories of a team he never played an actual regular season game for, for example should Sam Rayburn have the category San Francisco 49ers players if he never played a game for the 49ers. I believe he shouldnt have this category, what do you think-- Yankees10 23:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Because the preseason IS playing, and there is NO rule for these categories stating it must be REGULAR SEASON play. I would be able to produce pictures and all other kinds of evidence showing Favre played for the Texans that preseason. And preseason or not, it is still a real live NFL game with the same rules, the same refs, etc. It's playing. If Favre PLAYED in preseason for Houston, it would be totally factually correct to say he played for them, and the category applies. The problem here is that people are making up rules for the category when they do not exist. You can't definitively say only regular season counts when it comes to these categories - it's simply not established and because of that, Favre would fit the criteria. What you're missing here is that these players FIT the criteria. THAT is why they should have the category.► Chris Nelson 07:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Well I'm sorry you feel my behavior is rude and uncivil, although I completely disagree. I'm just trying to help you understand that you're wrong. Fortunately, almost everyone would disagree with you on the Brady Quinn thing so I'm glad you're not in charge. And preseason games are GAMES no matter how little they matter. They are real games. Not scrimmages, but games. They have NFL.com game books. See? Real live NFL games. Teams. Players. Uniforms. Referees. Coin tosses. Play clocks. Rules, etc. They are games. Therefore if somebody plays in one, they have played for that team. This is not complicated.► Chris Nelson 08:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I think a straw poll would be in order sometime in the near future. I would like to see Yankees10 and jmfangio enter the discussion though, so we can come to some sort of an agreement, not just keep entering into edit wars on pages like Patrick Pass and Jonathan Smith. Pats1 20:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, so far Chris Nelson and Pats1 are losing this discussion-- Yankees10 23:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Pats1 seems to think it is a good idea to have 07 in the infobox, despite being cut by the team, for example he has Vinny Testaverde 2006-2007, he was cut before the 2007 season, and I think it is going overboard with having that in the infobox.-- Yankees10 23:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
yes they should have the category if they were injured because they still were on the team and they were still on the team if they were on the practice squad, they didnt get cut at any time.-- Yankees10 00:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay. I pretty much know your views on it though - regular season play only. I'm interested to see what Juan has to say, since from his previous post it sounds like he things the PUP one should not have it, but the PS one should. I'm attempting to establish if I have him right or not.► Chris Nelson 23:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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With respect to the outstanding comments by Chrisjnelson, who is not able to comment on this discussion at this time: Where do we stand on this? Can we resolve this matter without having to bring in WP:DR. JmFangio| ►Chat 03:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC) I dont know where we stand either, Pats1 hasnt responded in a long time-- Yankees10 22:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I believe that when the season starts and the player is on the team, they should have a category stating that he was a player for that team. I think that there should be a new category created like Category:Philadelphia Eagles offseason players for those players who played during the pre-season and/or pratice-squad. Thanks -- Phbasketball6 17:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I also do not like the idea of having Vinny Testaverde as a Patriot from 2006 to 2007 in the infobox, because it created confussion that he might have played a game in the regular season for the Patriots. -- Phbasketball6 17:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
By the way, Chrisjnelson has been unblocked but won't be able to contribute to this discussion for a few weeks while he's essentially on probation. Pats1 18:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Hi, I've been asked to come here and explain something. A checkuser recently identified Jmfangio as the reincarnation of a community banned editor who used to disrupt baseball articles. As one of the sysops who investigated this matter, I'll point out that blocking policy allows blanking the posts of any editor who violates WP:SOCK during a block or a ban. So weigh Jm's arguments if you think they have merit, bearing in mind that any editor in good standing could remove those statements from this page. Durova Charge! 18:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I still think Phbasketball6s idea is the best having the offseason in the category, for example category:Philadelphia Eagles offeseason players-- Yankees10 23:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I have seen players signed to a team, yet never play a down and get cut the next week, do they meet the requirements? They signed a contract and stood on the sidelines, but did not play a down. Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Pats1 keeps putting in the infobox that Josh Miller was on the team in 2007, who cares that he was cut before the season, put it in the article not in the infobox, and he is also very controlling over players that have or are currently playing for the Pats.-- Yankees10 03:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
It does not have to be in the infobox, it is just unnecessary, just put it in the article,and im not trying to make it disappear that he was on the team in 2007, just write it in the god damn article that he was cut-- Yankees10 01:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I really dont know what to say about this situation anymore, I have already explained all my ideas-- Yankees10 01:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC) |
Alright, it's very hard to navigate throughout this discussion because of the comments which have steered far too much off course. So... let's begin again. What should we do about the categories for players who didn't play a regular-season NFL game? Ksy92003 (talk) 01:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I wont be responding till tomorrow, just to let everyone know.-- Yankees10 01:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
am I aloud to respond even though i am a ag address, or whatever it is, because if i am than i think it is dumb to have the categories if they didnt play a game for the team to have the category-- 75.82.16.153 04:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
By the way it is a IP address not AG address, anyways I dont really know what else to say about the categories thing I just think its dumb to have them if they didn't play during the regular season for the team- Yankees10 23:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
And now Yankees10 has continued with his reverting of infoboxes using accurate team histories, even those with the special notation Chris has been adding. When I reverted his change, Yankees10 proceeded to tell me that "no one agrees with your idea, so just stop, all the other players released before the 07 season dont have that". Pats1 T/ C 01:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
first of all I havent gotten rid of the notation in about a month and a half, since I know agree with the idea that it should be there, check my edits if you dont believe me, and Pats1 check all the other players that were relesed right before the 2007 season it doesnt say they were on the team, it is only there if they never played for the team before the 07 offseason-- Yankees10 01:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
The above project hasn't yet really gotten started. Any members of this project who might be interested would be very welcome to help this project get off the ground. Thank you. John Carter 17:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I noticed someone changed the scores I'd posted on the 2007 Cleveland Browns season article with the reasoning that the Browns' score should come before the opponents' score; however, this wasn't done with uniformity, as the editor didn't change all the scores so the Browns' score came first. I've ALWAYS been under the understanding that the visiting team's score comes first, regardless who wins the game. Therefore, if the Patriots are at home and they beat the Browns 34-33, the score will read 33-34, because the Browns are the visiting team. I could be wrong, but I've always been under that assumption. It's just like in baseball: the Indians beat the Tigers 6-5, but the score reads 5-6 because the Tigers were the visiting team. Everyone's going to say "they won six to five," but the official scorers are going to put 5-6. So I think someone needs to clarify this. Really though, I think it's going to be one of those things where it can go either way. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 07:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
You are correct, if you look at articles in the newspaper they will list the score example:
The Cincinnati Bengals lost their game with cross state rivals the Cleveland Browns 45-51.
Here is where you are mistaken, if the article is about the winning team it would be listed the as follows: example:
The Cleveland Browns beat cross state rivals the Cincinnati Bengals 51-45.
That is the best way to do this, I think? Terry A. Chapman, B.S.W. 05:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. I've seen it both ways, but at least we got consensus without a huge debate. We'll go high-low. Wlmaltby3 – talk/ contribs 04:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I have checked several articles that use this template and have noticed that the draft info is not showing. If you go into edit, you find the info IS there. Has anyone else noticed this? -- JustAGal 15:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
What exactly was the rationale behind splitting the player template into active and retired? Looking at both, I'm not seeing what couldn't be accomplished in the same template, e.g. Template:Infobox musical artist which can cover opera to grunge bands to solo artists. The Deions and Keyshawns get cut and go into the booth but are certainly capable of being lured back at any time. Morten Andersen was just taken out of cold storage by the Falcons, so his infobox would have to be flipped then then likely flipped back at the end of the season when he likely retired for good. What do we do with Vick's current situation? Just seems like this split creates a lot more issues than it solves, as things will get quickly out of date. Tarc 11:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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Cheers // Fra nkB 22:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, I've cleaned up the Adrian L. Peterson article and I feel it is close to being nominated for WP:GA. I'm looking for some reviewers to go over it and leave comments or make edits in order to get this article ready. Thank you! RyguyMN 16:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we vote on a new infobox, like favor the Template:Infobox NFLactive instead of the Template:Infobox NFL player? Thanks-- Phbasketball6 21:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Infobox NFLactive-it is better looking and takes up less space, and everyone has agreed that is the better one-- Yankees10 23:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
NFL player for ease and simplicity. This split template idea is a bad idea, for resasons outlined earlier. Tarc 00:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Infobox NFLactive but I agree with Tarc, I want the NFL active but I think the NFL active infobox should be used for active and players of the past. Thanks--
Phbasketball6
02:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Yea, even though I agree with Tarc, Chris is right. Thanks--
Phbasketball6
02:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Yea, Tarc before you were not clear at all, i take back what I said earlier. Thanks-- Phbasketball6 15:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
no new infobox, the one is good-- 75.82.16.153 03:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to turn everybody's attention to Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion.
Right now, this doesn't seem to be like any sort of discussion, rather people just saying which they like. Ksy92003 (talk) 05:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Well I don't know if this is the right place, but as it is the NFL Wikiproject someone here would probably know. I've wondered for some time now why in both the NFL and MLB the teams are divided into National and American conferences/leagues, as appose to the NHL and the NBA which has West and East (right?). I get that the old teams from before the merge between the two leagues are in that conference (if they are). But what about new teams (or haven't there been any new teams since the merge? in either the NFL or MLB?) Chandler talk 01:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
For the NFL, see AFL-NFL merger. KyuuA4 17:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#North American football players for a group which would work specifically on articles relating to biographies of individual players, coaches, and other related individuals. Any parties interested in working with such a group are encouraged to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start the group in earnest. Thank you. John Carter 13:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Should we create an infobox for NFL owners? I have been using {{ Infobox_Person}} for the owner's infobox's, which is generic. -- Pinkkeith 14:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, does anyone know where I could find a free use image (other other acceptable image) for the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry? Really needs one. Jwalte04 17:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to see if anyone had any suggestions, comments, criticisms, for my List of Washington Redskins players page and List of Washington Redskins first-round draft picks. I'm trying to get them up-to-par with other player lists from different sports and maybe to Featured List status. I have added them to the peer review page, but thought that I would go more local in the help. So if you have any advice, write something on my talk page, the talk page for the articles themselves, or feel free to change them yourself! Thanks again, Jwalte04 17:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
One more thing, also looking for help on the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry article.
Congratulations to Pats1, who is now an admin. youngamerican ( wtf?) 17:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
It has been called to my attention by Yankees10 ( talk · contribs) that there are several articles in which the player infoboxes contain the flags of the state the player was born in. See Corey Simon, Walter Payton, Jim Kelly, or Barry Sanders for an example. Chrisjnelson ( talk · contribs), in an edit to Corey Simon, said that he read somewhere that flags were not supposed to be used in this manner. Is there a Wikipedia policy that says not to use flags this way, or is there somewhere on the project that says not to use flags in the infobox in this way? Ksy92003 (talk) 20:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm either way with this I like the flags, but wouldnt care if they werent used anymore-- Yankees10 22:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I dislike even the country flags, because I feel it adds un-needed clutter. I even further dislike the state flags that we're talking about here, because most people don't even recognize them, and as Ksy92003 pointed out, they would likely be especially useless to wikiepedia users from overseas. Bjewiki ( Talk) 11:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
-Alright guys, I was bored on night and I decided to play around with the Pre-Super Bowl and Super Bowl infoboxes and decided to make a mock one where both of them are merged since I mean it is the same league pre and post Super Bowl era. Here is a sample of it and give me the feedback. No action will be taken until everyone agrees upon this even though I kind of added it to the Pre-Super Bowl articles already but those are needed of work anyway.
Comments please..and thank you. -- Happyman22 03:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Many of the player pages have sections on when the player was in high school and/or in college. Many of these are calling them careers. Webster calls a career "a chosen profession or occupation". I just feel that being in high school or college isn't an occupation or a profession. To me it is an educational time to get an occupation. Should we call these "years" instead of "careers"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkkeith ( talk • contribs) 17:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The Rams logo was deleted a while ago. Could some kind person please put one back up. Everytime I always post an image it always seems to get deleted for one reason or another. I never know what they are looking for. Thanks, I appreciate it. -- Pinkkeith 00:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a general consensus about what constitutes having "been a member of" a team? I've run across several atypical situations and wasn't sure of the consensus. I would think a player becomes a member of a team when he signs a contract with them. But what about those drafted but cut during training camp? or spent one or more seasons on a team's practice squad? or signed by a team and them allocated to NFL Europe for one or more seasons? — xanderer 18:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna give my opinion based on something I learned in Government class. Every case is different. For every person, there are certain circumstances which can change the ruling of a court case, such as insanity at the time of the crime due to not taking their medication, or whatnot. Not every example is exactly the same, and all the time there will be new twists that could change everything. The reason I'm applying this to this matter is this: there are countless reasons why somebody would be on the practice squad or under contract and be released from the club in some manner. There are so many different situations that you can't really say that there is one specific way that we should work with these situations. I see this as a case-by-case scenario; we can't really say if they should all have the category or not because every situation is different. Ksy92003 (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
You mean like this guy, who was released eight days ago but still has Jets colors and the team name? The moral of the story is that NFL.com is not a great source for this kind of thing.► Chris Nelson Holla! 18:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a list somewhere of Eagles captains? I am working on the Wistert brothers' articles and Al Wistert could use either a navbox or succession box to show his captaincy. In some sports succession boxes or nav boxes are common for captaincies. Is this not kosher for NFL captains?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This week I am working on the Wistert Brothers. Looking at Al Wistert, I think his article could really benefit from two types of templates. Above you see my query about captaincy templates. He could use 1948 and 1949 championship team templates. Unlike the NBA and MLB or even the NCAA, we have not produced championship teams for the NFL. Is there a reason for this?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
--As of now this is just a tweak only seen on the Chicago Bears page. It is a small tweak of the current infobox that is currently in use. You can see the code differences at Template:NFL team and Template:NFL team beta. Once again this is just put other there as a proposal and I have added it to the Bears page just because it is not such a radical change. -- Happyman22 ( talk) 05:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
From what is here there is no uniform infobox. Nothing looks like it has been decided. What is the case, as of Mid Novemebr 2007? Howdythere ( talk) 05:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could get a consensus on how player pages ought to be formatted. I see lots of pages that are using different layouts: high school years vs. early years, college years vs. college career, professional career vs NFL career, and so on. I frankly don't really mind what type of layout we want our format to look like, but I do mind after I work on something and it is changed by a different user to a different format. Do you think we should start a discussion on this? -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 22:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
What Rolando mentioned, I think it's a good idea to add Template:American football uniforms to Template:NFL team. -- Louis Alberto Guel 16:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I edit at Spanish Wikipedia and I've edit all uniforms of the NFL teams. So we could use the same colors and patterns that Spanish Wikipedia use. And I also created and uploaded at Commons socks for teams. I'll show below.
-- Louis Alberto Guel 12:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of uniforms...I looked over rationales in several uniforms and noted the PD rationale of one user, when in fact they should be fair use logo, due to logos being used on the uniforms. Someone please change this. Miranda 23:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I am having trouble using the stats at NFL.com. I have four questions?
I am not sure if your project has an article request section but Jack Clancy would be improved if Paul Staroba and Dave Young (American football) were created and Jarrett Irons would be improved if Paul Irons were created.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:LOTD) 06:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
This has been a point of contention for me on the Patriots season page, and a point of inconsistency in general. The question is this--when listing game locations, what should be listed for Jets home games, "The Meadowlands" or "Giants Stadium"?
I can see the case for those who argue Giants Stadium--since that is the physical location of the game. However, NFL policy states that when the Jets play home games there, it is not called Giants Stadium, but rather The Meadowlands, and I would argue that "verifiability, not truth" makes a better argument for The Meadowlands ("everyone knows" it's Giants Stadium, but verifiable official descriptions of Jets home games say otherwise). [The best analogy I can give is a musical one--the keys of E flat major and D sharp major have the same sound, but you can't look at a piece in E flat and say it's written in D sharp.] The majority of NFL season pages use "The Meadowlands," but this isn't universal (the Patriots page doesn't, and I've seen at least one other that didn't). Samer 17:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Recently I created the Template:NFLStartingRunningbacks and some users think that it shouldnt be a Template due to some teams using more than 1 running back or the starting runningback having less carries than the backups, I just wanted to know what other people thaught about this template-- Yankees10 23:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
How can I confirm if Garland Rivers was a scab player during the 1987 player strike?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 07:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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In looking around at the various season articles for pro football, it appears that there is more info being added this year than last. But I think there is a better way to do it than is currently being done. The way the info is being inserted (eg. 2007 Kansas City Chiefs season) tends to break up the text and creates a much longer TOC. This also has the effect of making it appear more like a sports guide rather than an encyclopedia article. I am proposing that a series of templates be used to create a game box similar to that shown at right. (The templates I created to generate this box are {{ AFB Game Box Start}}, {{ AFB Game Box Scoring Entry}}, and {{ AFB Game Box End}}. Most of the fields are optional, and more could be added.) Moving this extra info off to the side would conserve space and allow the text to flow down the left side unbroken. It would make the article more readable (from top to bottom) and promote the creation of text which is more encyclopedic and not dependent on the info provided in the game box. — Mike 02:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know I am trying to get the Green Bay Packers subproject active again. Anyone interested in improving the articles on the
Green Bay Packers would be very welcome. I have recently brought the project up to par with other team sub-projects, now we just need to start working on the articles. Thanks and if you have any questions feel free to contact me or ask your question on the subprojects talk page.
Gonzo fan2007
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Ok, before this starts to go into edit war, I am asking for a general consensus on what to do with the Baltimore Colts page. Here are the options:
Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Option #2: Redirect to Baltimore Colts (1947-50). -- Louis Alberto Guel 13:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
FYI ... I created some schedule templates similar to what has been used for college football. An example of how they can be used can be found at 2001 Kansas City Chiefs season#Schedule. — Mike 04:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure this is the right place to raise this issue, but what is the naming convention for biographies relating to American football? My own experience on this subject is that we use the term football for football (soccer), and use the term American football for the game played in the US. Is this correct? If so, should the article Ralph Ricker (football coach) be moved to Ralph Ricker (American football coach)? A ecis Brievenbus 22:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
How can I get involved in the NFL Project? I would like to make contibutions to the history of the game. Please let me know!
-- Mickeyp2814 ( talk) 18:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Onside kick needs to be rewritten, and although I know it's more involved with the American Football project, could someone at least help me with the onside kick's relevancy to and use in the NFL (see here)? Let me know on User_Talk:Fleetflame. Fleetflame ( talk) 02:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
There seems to have been a template redirect for {{ Infobox NFL player}}. Now, the template does not seem show the stat links for PFR and DBF. What is going on?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 21:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated Peyton Manning for Good Article status. If anyone wants to review it or has suggestions for improving the article, it would be appreciated. Dlong ( talk) 01:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Is Ray McDonald (running back) the same person as Ray McDonald (Redskins player)? They certainly seem to be the same, but y'all know better than I :) -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 16:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to include one screencap (likely from NFL Films/TV broadcast footage) for each article in the game summary section? WAVY 10 Fan ( talk) 04:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Last year, I created this sample box for the 2007 Kansas City Chiefs season article, and it quickly caught on to other team pages for the 2007 season ( example). I thought I would make everybody aware that it is available to use for all the articles in the 2008 season. Didn't know who to talk to in order to make it official for the WP NFL project. To see what the box looks like when it's fully complete, check this Wiki-link.
Please note that this is an example, and I filled in names that came to mind instantly. I know realistically that Tom Brady would not be seen on the free-agent market anytime soon. Please note the color schemes (red = re-signed; grey = lost to free-agency, retirement, etc.)
Hope you guys like it. conman33( . . .talk) 05:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Position | Player | Tag | Date signed | 2008 team | Contract |
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QB | Tom Brady | UFA | April 4 | New England Patriots | Five years |
RB | RFA | ||||
FB | UFA | ||||
OT | RFA | ||||
C | UFA | ||||
WR | Troy Brown | RFA | N/A (Retired) | ||
TE | UFA | ||||
LB | RFA | ||||
DE | UFA | ||||
DT | RFA | ||||
CB | Asante Samuel | Franchise | February 15 | New England Patriots | One year |
SS | ERFA | ||||
FS | ERFA | ||||
RFA: Restricted free agent, UFA: Unrestricted free agent, ERFA: Exclusive rights free agent |
Five featured lists under the realm of the NFL project have been
nominated here for removal of the featured status. An editor feels these lists require some work to stay as featured content. Unless these suggestions are fixed, these lists could lose their stars. Any help in improving the lists or any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Gonzo fan2007
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It is currently a FLC but at the moment doesn't have enough supports votes to pass. Buc ( talk) 19:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in starting a Kansas City Chiefs subproject? RC-0722 ( talk) 00:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)