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I have a few questions about categorization policies that this wikiproject might bring about. The scope of the project is Broadway Theatre, which could apply to various things: Broadway, Off-Broadway and Off-Off-Broadway theatres themselves or the shows that appear at those theatres.
For the shows themselves, would they receive a new categorization for each place it played? For example, Rent and Hair both appeared at Off-Broadway theatres before coming to Broadway. Would they therefore be categorized under both Category:Broadway musicals and Category:Off Broadway? -- Baron Larf June 29, 2005 18:12 (UTC)
I'm leaving this WikiProject for a few reasons:
Cheers. -- Baron Larf 12:57, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Should we consider adding plot summaries and song lists to the articles as well as the other information we are already adding?
I'm a bit peeved by the icon for this project: a Wicked logo. Does Wicked represent Broadway? Sure, it's the current hit musical, but I can guarantee you there'll be a new hit musical five years from now that'll be just as successful as Wicked. There are numerous great musicals that have appeared on Broadway throughout its history, and I don't think its at all fair to label them all with the symbol of the current hit. This is like giving every rock and roll article a Green Day icon--certainly they're a popular band, but however popular they are now, there were big rock bands before them and there will be big rock bands after them.
Really. Wicked isn't even on the list of notable musical theatre productions. I don't see why it should be representing Broadway.
Well I picked it cause in my impression it was the top show on Broadway currently, and my idea was that the image could change around to whatever the top show was at a given time. Or it could just rotate around, as long as the template is transcluded, which it was on all the articles I tagged it with, updating the template will update the image. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 17:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
It needs to be taken off the template. -- Gbleem 01:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if you have show requests, but the Sweeney Todd site should be updated as it is now on broadway. I'd do it but I don't have the time. I would however like the info to be up at some point.
I was browsing the project page and found that many shows requiring the "Broadway Show" denotation have been amended. Here's shows that have NOT been checked off but are in fact updated:
Kstrubb 04:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the template in its current form is a good representation of these shows. First off there is more to the theatre world than Broadway. I propose that the template should be non-geographic in nature in order to allow UK West End, German, French, Hungarian, Japanese, and other non-Broadway shows the ability to use it per Wikipedia Countering Systemic Bias. In order to help achieve this and also take into account the possibility of show revivals, the template should also be modular. ( example) -- Kunzite 17:51, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree. It would really be more helpful to have something like a WikiProject Musicals, instead of focusing solely on Broadway productions. For comparsion, see WikiProject Films as well as WikiProject Novels. Estrose 21:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the two above comments. What would the procedure be for transforming this project into WikiProject Musicals? Until that is done, however, I'll be working on Broadway-related articles. MichaelCaricofe 04:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
why does it say "musical theatre of film" ? that doesn't make any sense. J. Van Meter 17:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't look good for a project to have nothing to do - and trust me, there is work to be done! I'm sure there are hundreds of actors, directors, choreographers, plays, etc. that need to be added. The ones that do exist are often stubs. Crystallina 23:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I would love to join this project because I love broadway and I would be proud of myself if I help out with this project. How can I get started? i'm not quite sure because the to-dos aren't that clear and all. Thank you! broadway_dude 23:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I've created {{ Infobox musicals}} for general musicals. The only info box I can see is specific to Broadway, with the 'Tony' fields non-optional. The page (which looks blank) needs tidying so it shows the template: it got its premiere at Dance of the Vampires. The JPS talk to me 17:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added one task - to create articles on Tony Award winners. Too many redlinks - this is, I fear, systemic bias in action. Doesn't have to be that way though. I've created a few. Crystallina 04:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering about nominating this category for deletion. There is no article about Broadway operas. Perhaps the best way to handle these cross-over productions is to categorize them both as musicals and operas when appropriate. -- Samuel Wantman 09:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I stopped by this WikiProject a couple of months ago and was dismayed to see that there was apparently nothing going on: I didn't bother signing up. It seems to me that, across the board, the Wikipedia coverage on musicals is SERIOUSLY lacking. Reading the talk page, I feel that there are some editors who have some good ideas and might also feel that the whole project is a little tenuous.
I think we need to kick this thing into high gear.
The main page for the project is basically non-existent. Since there doesn't seem to be anyone actively watching things, I think that if anyone has any ideas for what should be there,
be bold.
I think we should decide on a basic structure for the articles for individual shows: we really need some consistency. I've recently written or re-written
How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying and
The Baker's Wife — both of which, I feel, have a logical structure. I think we should lean away from long lists of actors — instead trying to incorporate the major names into the text — but we should have some way of integrating several incarnations of the same show: revivals and movies and productions in other countries included. Articles for people should obviously follow the guidlines for biographies.
I started to work up a new template a couple of months ago, but it got out of hand and I haven't touched it. (You can see it
here. Much thanks to whomever created the new one.) However, the template doesn't allow for revivals, London productions, etc. It's not going to be easy to create a small template that can cover everything, but I think we should shy away from several templates on one page. The current longest-running Broadway show,
Phantom of the Opera, has no infobox. I've been loathe to add one since it was a British show and, while I don't want to offend the Brits, my own tendency would be to fill the box with the info on the NY production as it was the one to hit the milestone. We need to have some way to handle this, and I am certainly open to ideas.
This to-do list is a little, um, vague. It's just kind of, you know, the basic ideas behind Wikipedia. There are still some non-musicals with the {{Broadway-project}} tag on them, and I think that we need to get the tag on more applicable pages. I don't think that every actor in every production of every show deserves an article (as some of the red links on some of the articles might suggest), but I think we need to eliminate some of those red links lying around — either by writing articles or dewiking them.
Some of the project pages have an Article Assessment page; I'll probably be setting one up here. Why don't we hunt out articles that are seriously lacking and get some sort of a real objective going? Active members can each sign up for an article, then, when it's "done", cross it off the list. I think I'm going to go through my CDs and search for each show, as well as go through the inventory of MTI, but I'm not sure where else to find worthy shows. I don't want anyone to be offended with what I end up putting up there: the list will obviously have a bias toward shows that I personally enjoy — mainly American shows from the 80s and 90s. Add whatever you feel is necessary.
I think that the current thrust of the project has taken on more of a global view than our parent
WikiProject New York Theatre, and I'd like to explore the possibility of moving it under the umbrella of
WikiProject Theatre. I think it's just a matter of switching around some links, but I have a message on the talk of WikiProject Theatre to make sure that's okay with them.
I'm probably going to go through and leave messages on everyone's talk page to come here and check out these ideas, because, like I said, I don't think anyone's paying any real attention to this page.
This is extremely long and, for that, I apologize.
Individually, there has been a lot of good work. There are several editors out there doing some good stuff, but I think we need some cohesion. I think that, with everyone's cooperation and ideas, we can really get this project headed in the right direction.
—
Music
Maker
06:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Our main questions have been delineated here. I suggest we move the discussion there, and should anyone have any others, feel free to add them to the page. — Music Maker 08:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I have a few questions about categorization policies that this wikiproject might bring about. The scope of the project is Broadway Theatre, which could apply to various things: Broadway, Off-Broadway and Off-Off-Broadway theatres themselves or the shows that appear at those theatres.
For the shows themselves, would they receive a new categorization for each place it played? For example, Rent and Hair both appeared at Off-Broadway theatres before coming to Broadway. Would they therefore be categorized under both Category:Broadway musicals and Category:Off Broadway? -- Baron Larf June 29, 2005 18:12 (UTC)
I'm leaving this WikiProject for a few reasons:
Cheers. -- Baron Larf 12:57, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Should we consider adding plot summaries and song lists to the articles as well as the other information we are already adding?
I'm a bit peeved by the icon for this project: a Wicked logo. Does Wicked represent Broadway? Sure, it's the current hit musical, but I can guarantee you there'll be a new hit musical five years from now that'll be just as successful as Wicked. There are numerous great musicals that have appeared on Broadway throughout its history, and I don't think its at all fair to label them all with the symbol of the current hit. This is like giving every rock and roll article a Green Day icon--certainly they're a popular band, but however popular they are now, there were big rock bands before them and there will be big rock bands after them.
Really. Wicked isn't even on the list of notable musical theatre productions. I don't see why it should be representing Broadway.
Well I picked it cause in my impression it was the top show on Broadway currently, and my idea was that the image could change around to whatever the top show was at a given time. Or it could just rotate around, as long as the template is transcluded, which it was on all the articles I tagged it with, updating the template will update the image. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 17:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
It needs to be taken off the template. -- Gbleem 01:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if you have show requests, but the Sweeney Todd site should be updated as it is now on broadway. I'd do it but I don't have the time. I would however like the info to be up at some point.
I was browsing the project page and found that many shows requiring the "Broadway Show" denotation have been amended. Here's shows that have NOT been checked off but are in fact updated:
Kstrubb 04:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the template in its current form is a good representation of these shows. First off there is more to the theatre world than Broadway. I propose that the template should be non-geographic in nature in order to allow UK West End, German, French, Hungarian, Japanese, and other non-Broadway shows the ability to use it per Wikipedia Countering Systemic Bias. In order to help achieve this and also take into account the possibility of show revivals, the template should also be modular. ( example) -- Kunzite 17:51, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree. It would really be more helpful to have something like a WikiProject Musicals, instead of focusing solely on Broadway productions. For comparsion, see WikiProject Films as well as WikiProject Novels. Estrose 21:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the two above comments. What would the procedure be for transforming this project into WikiProject Musicals? Until that is done, however, I'll be working on Broadway-related articles. MichaelCaricofe 04:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
why does it say "musical theatre of film" ? that doesn't make any sense. J. Van Meter 17:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't look good for a project to have nothing to do - and trust me, there is work to be done! I'm sure there are hundreds of actors, directors, choreographers, plays, etc. that need to be added. The ones that do exist are often stubs. Crystallina 23:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I would love to join this project because I love broadway and I would be proud of myself if I help out with this project. How can I get started? i'm not quite sure because the to-dos aren't that clear and all. Thank you! broadway_dude 23:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I've created {{ Infobox musicals}} for general musicals. The only info box I can see is specific to Broadway, with the 'Tony' fields non-optional. The page (which looks blank) needs tidying so it shows the template: it got its premiere at Dance of the Vampires. The JPS talk to me 17:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added one task - to create articles on Tony Award winners. Too many redlinks - this is, I fear, systemic bias in action. Doesn't have to be that way though. I've created a few. Crystallina 04:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering about nominating this category for deletion. There is no article about Broadway operas. Perhaps the best way to handle these cross-over productions is to categorize them both as musicals and operas when appropriate. -- Samuel Wantman 09:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I stopped by this WikiProject a couple of months ago and was dismayed to see that there was apparently nothing going on: I didn't bother signing up. It seems to me that, across the board, the Wikipedia coverage on musicals is SERIOUSLY lacking. Reading the talk page, I feel that there are some editors who have some good ideas and might also feel that the whole project is a little tenuous.
I think we need to kick this thing into high gear.
The main page for the project is basically non-existent. Since there doesn't seem to be anyone actively watching things, I think that if anyone has any ideas for what should be there,
be bold.
I think we should decide on a basic structure for the articles for individual shows: we really need some consistency. I've recently written or re-written
How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying and
The Baker's Wife — both of which, I feel, have a logical structure. I think we should lean away from long lists of actors — instead trying to incorporate the major names into the text — but we should have some way of integrating several incarnations of the same show: revivals and movies and productions in other countries included. Articles for people should obviously follow the guidlines for biographies.
I started to work up a new template a couple of months ago, but it got out of hand and I haven't touched it. (You can see it
here. Much thanks to whomever created the new one.) However, the template doesn't allow for revivals, London productions, etc. It's not going to be easy to create a small template that can cover everything, but I think we should shy away from several templates on one page. The current longest-running Broadway show,
Phantom of the Opera, has no infobox. I've been loathe to add one since it was a British show and, while I don't want to offend the Brits, my own tendency would be to fill the box with the info on the NY production as it was the one to hit the milestone. We need to have some way to handle this, and I am certainly open to ideas.
This to-do list is a little, um, vague. It's just kind of, you know, the basic ideas behind Wikipedia. There are still some non-musicals with the {{Broadway-project}} tag on them, and I think that we need to get the tag on more applicable pages. I don't think that every actor in every production of every show deserves an article (as some of the red links on some of the articles might suggest), but I think we need to eliminate some of those red links lying around — either by writing articles or dewiking them.
Some of the project pages have an Article Assessment page; I'll probably be setting one up here. Why don't we hunt out articles that are seriously lacking and get some sort of a real objective going? Active members can each sign up for an article, then, when it's "done", cross it off the list. I think I'm going to go through my CDs and search for each show, as well as go through the inventory of MTI, but I'm not sure where else to find worthy shows. I don't want anyone to be offended with what I end up putting up there: the list will obviously have a bias toward shows that I personally enjoy — mainly American shows from the 80s and 90s. Add whatever you feel is necessary.
I think that the current thrust of the project has taken on more of a global view than our parent
WikiProject New York Theatre, and I'd like to explore the possibility of moving it under the umbrella of
WikiProject Theatre. I think it's just a matter of switching around some links, but I have a message on the talk of WikiProject Theatre to make sure that's okay with them.
I'm probably going to go through and leave messages on everyone's talk page to come here and check out these ideas, because, like I said, I don't think anyone's paying any real attention to this page.
This is extremely long and, for that, I apologize.
Individually, there has been a lot of good work. There are several editors out there doing some good stuff, but I think we need some cohesion. I think that, with everyone's cooperation and ideas, we can really get this project headed in the right direction.
—
Music
Maker
06:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Our main questions have been delineated here. I suggest we move the discussion there, and should anyone have any others, feel free to add them to the page. — Music Maker 08:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)