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Hi. I found this project through Table Mountain, which is a mere 3,500 feet high or thereabouts. Thus I wondered if England's mountains are "admissible" ... see e.g. Scafell Pike, Helvellyn, Skiddaw... they are not much by world mountain standards... but are all England has got and thus are already have short articles. Is there a threshold for listing on list of mountains?
If not, what might a threshold be? Maybe "if the mountain is well-known in its own local area then it deserves an listing". This means that we could have different standards for inclusion in, say, Namibia (virtually no mountains) and Nepal (virtually no non-mountainous areas). Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 06:22, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi all - Every WikiProject should have at least one article featured, IMO. I'm not sure if any WikiProject Mountains articles are featured yet but I would like to encourage project members to look at and improve Mount St. Helens so that it can go through the FA selection process. I've already greatly expanded the article but I've burned out on putting the last bit of shine on it. Specifically there is needless overlap between the ==Human history== and ===Goat Rocks Eruptive Period=== sections that should be resolved (the second section should just be a description of the what happened while the human accounts and human effects should go to the human history section). There are similar issues with the section titled ===The 1980 eruption=== (which was not written by me and contains some info that contradicts 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption). More images and better image placement should also be done. Cheers! -- mav 04:44, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
Somebody went ahead and nominated Mount St. Helens on the FAC page, so I cleaned the article up and it is now a featured article. I would like to put 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption through the FAC process but would like to have some feedback first at talk:1980 Mount St. Helens eruption. -- mav 08:45, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It doesn't align right any more, for example, take a look at Mount Baker. It's really awful. What should we do? -- hike395 01:11, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
I tracked it down --- it doesn't seem to substitute msg:Mountain_box_start into the table anymore. I'll see if this has been reported. We can either wait for a bug fix, or try to manually change >100 articles :-(. -- hike395 01:22, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
I've seen a category work-around that would not break the page layout and should still work when the category display issue is fixed: Add <br clear="all"> after the category tag. This only works when the category tag is at the top of the page and does leave an extra line of whitespace above the article. See Plutonium. -- mav 03:18, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, after spending several hours this evening playing with a template that accepts parameters, I have concluded that the current implementation just is not feature rich enough yet to work with the layout we currently use. The issues include
So, it seems that all we can do at the moment, is to define another template that defines the Mountain category and starts the table. Then, we must use {{subst:Mountain_box_begin}}. You can see an example of this on test: Harney Peak on test. The template is at: Mountain_box_begin template. You will need to edit the template to see the contents.
RedWolf 05:57, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
They have moved the Category links to the bottom of the article so we no longer need to add the Categories hack suggested by mav. I have created Template:Mountain box begin in the English wikipedia and added some info to the talk page on how to use it. I have used it on Mount Temple already and looks good so far. The mountain will be added to Category:Mountains. I will start applying the new template to other mountains and feel free to do the same. I'll update the project page in a day or two once others have posted any additional comments. Also, I setup the categories as follows:
Geography | | v Mountain ranges | | v Mountains
Eventually, we'll probably add subcategories to Mountains probably for each continent and then perhaps for each country. Open to other suggestions of course.
RedWolf 03:42, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
Does this template apply to other language wikipedia's? I'd like to use it in Dutch and in German. Is this possible? If so, how? Gerritholl 11:59, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I've started changing the volcanos that have Wikipedia articles and infoboxes from this project to have Volcanos as their category, rather than mountains. Since a volcano is somewhat distinct from an ordinary mountain, and since the volcano category is a sub-category of the mountain category anyway it seems like a good idea. David Newton 02:07, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Mount Adams for discussion on how to disambiguate this page. RedWolf 21:13, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I found this project, but I'm not sure that it is quite right for British hills. Have a look at Beinn Alligin, a page I've been working on. I think this type of fact box is better suited to British hills. Obviosluy the "two hills one page" needs justification: both hills are munros, but it is normal to talk only about "beinn alligin" in the singular. Many other hills are treated like this, eg Buchaille Etive Mor, Liathach. Thoughts please Grinner 13:55, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
Could anyone involved in this project please take a look at the articles listed on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Russian federal subjects/Status page in the In Progress and Done sections and make any necessary correction to the mountains references? Let me know if you need more info. Thanks!-- Ëzhiki 17:49, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
I've moved Wikipedia:WikiProject Mountains to the Inactive section of the WikiProject page, as it hasn't been edited since Nov 1st; I wanted to let you all know, and ask if you're still working on it. If so, feel free to move it back up into the active section. JesseW 08:08, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hello. I have created the Template:Infobox mountain. If you would like to alter it (as this is not my particular area of interest) feel free to do so. If you would like to see how it looks, I have implemented it at Ascension Island. All things should be approximately the same, with the exception of the border and the entries, as all are included (a feature I've not yet learned to like as some fields need be left empty) with the exception of Topo map, which is to be used with U.S. Mountains, using Template:Infobox US mountain. (Once again feel free to edit those — my familiarity with templates and tables is nil.) This is the base:
WikiProject Mountains/Archive 1 |
---|
The U.S. one should look exactly the same but with topo inserted between location and range. Also, as hike395 pointed out, you might not want to use them and of course you don't have to use them. This is just an effort on my part. You can keep doing it the same way that you have or as the theme of this comment suggests — fix it the way that you want it. Moogle 04:34, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Though it seems you have moved beyond this, I have created Template:Basic mountain and Template:Mountain picture and altered the original Infoboxes to use coordinates. The new ones are the same style as the initial infobox, but shorter, using only hike395's essentials as stated above.
As noted, I am not an expert in these tables, so I do not know how to change the width of the columns as has been done with those below.
Digression: You don't need quotes for border=1 and others. Putting the actual thing on the page makes this page very long and cluttery, would it not be easier to just link them?
As always, be sure to change, add, and remove anything that you decide should be different. Moogle 01:21, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
{{{name}}} | |||
---|---|---|---|
| |||
Elevation | {{{elevation}}} | ||
Coordinates | {{{latitude}}} {{{longitude}}} | ||
Location | {{{location}}} | ||
Range | {{{range}}} | ||
Type | {{{type}}} | ||
Age of Rock | {{{age}}} | ||
First Ascent | {{{first}}} | ||
Easiest Route | {{{easiest}}} | ||
Last Eruption | {{{eruption}}} |
Wouldn't it be nice to have geographical coordinates handled in a uniform manner (throughout Wikipedia) so that any geograpical positional ref. in an article would be clickable, revealing a page (much like with ISBN) that gives a choice of various maps, topological resources and satelite photots for that location?
For that to happen, all coordinates need to be uniform. Presumably a template is a good choice for that, see Template talk:Coordinate dms for some info on an initial implementation.
I have made a demo in Mount Baker. By clicking on the [1] you will be brought to Mapquest, where you can zoom out and find out more about the vicinity of the mountain. Hopefully, more map resources can be added later.
Two caveats: For such a scheme, it is much cleaner if the latitude and longitude appears together, e.g. within a box in the table. This can be done by placing a <br> in the middle. The current demo retains the two boxes, but it is pretty clumsy.
Additionally, there is currently a problem with fractional seconds and Mapquest. So I had to leave them out (they are still there as a source comment). Sorry.
See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Suggestion:_Template_for_geographic_coordinates for a discussion.
-- Egil 16:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have made a Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates for this feature. -- Egil 10:26, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have also implemented a proof-of-concept of the map page, running on and off-site server (until permissions is granted to include this in-house). Can you please update Wikipedia:Map sources with the maps and resources you know about. The format is explained in the project page.
Any yes, if the lat/long really is going to become a standard Wiki-link in the final interpretaion. the latitude and longitude needs to be in one box. -- Egil 15:39, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Installing NASA World Wind (sorry, Windows only so far), then following the geographic coordinates link in the Mount Baker infobox, selecting the World Wind link at the bottom of the Map Sources page, then selecting Landsat-7 gives full 3D visualization, producing images like this:
The yellow rings are Wikipedia click-through links, the upper one is for Seattle Space Needle.
-- Egil 23:05, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As the format of template:coor dms already offers consistent formatting and (if necessary easy conversion to future formats), I propose to proceed now with the conversion of the current two fields in the infobox to:
Coordinates: | 46°33′N 7°58′E / 46.550°N 7.967°E |
This would be similar to the samples in
Category:Mountains of Switzerland and the formatting done in other fields (see
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Series_of_coordinates).
D6 would process the conversions +/- automatically. -- User:Docu
RedWolf 05:39, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Discussion seems to have died down, so the conclusions seems to be:
Mauna Loa | |
---|---|
File:Mauna loa.jpg Eruption of Mauna Loa, March 1984. | |
Elevation: | 13,679 ft (4,169 m) |
wikipedia+talk+wikiproject+mountains+archive+1 Latitude and Longitude: |
19°28′46.3″N 155°36′09.6″W / 19.479528°N 155.602667°W |
Location: | Hawaii, USA |
Topo map: | USGS Mauna Loa |
Range: | Hawaiian Islands |
Type: | Shield volcano |
Age of rock: | < 200 Kyr |
Easiest route: | jeep trail |
Last eruption: | 1984 |
Well, one possibility is the table to the left: putting nbsp between every entity except not after the N/S hemisphere. The result is that the coordinates are split readably on two lines. I could support this, too. -- hike395 04:51, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Mauna Loa | |
---|---|
File:Mauna loa.jpg Eruption of Mauna Loa, March 1984. | |
Elevation: | 13,679 ft (4,169 m) |
wikipedia+talk+wikiproject+mountains+archive+1 Latitude and Longitude: |
19° 28′ 46.3″ N 155° 36′ 09.6″ W |
Location: | Hawaii, USA |
Topo map: | USGS Mauna Loa |
Range: | Hawaiian Islands |
Type: | Shield volcano |
Age of rock: | < 200 Kyr |
Easiest route: | jeep trail |
Last eruption: | 1984 |
Well, I'll go ahead and update the template. -- hike395 10:02, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
Hi. I found this project through Table Mountain, which is a mere 3,500 feet high or thereabouts. Thus I wondered if England's mountains are "admissible" ... see e.g. Scafell Pike, Helvellyn, Skiddaw... they are not much by world mountain standards... but are all England has got and thus are already have short articles. Is there a threshold for listing on list of mountains?
If not, what might a threshold be? Maybe "if the mountain is well-known in its own local area then it deserves an listing". This means that we could have different standards for inclusion in, say, Namibia (virtually no mountains) and Nepal (virtually no non-mountainous areas). Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 06:22, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi all - Every WikiProject should have at least one article featured, IMO. I'm not sure if any WikiProject Mountains articles are featured yet but I would like to encourage project members to look at and improve Mount St. Helens so that it can go through the FA selection process. I've already greatly expanded the article but I've burned out on putting the last bit of shine on it. Specifically there is needless overlap between the ==Human history== and ===Goat Rocks Eruptive Period=== sections that should be resolved (the second section should just be a description of the what happened while the human accounts and human effects should go to the human history section). There are similar issues with the section titled ===The 1980 eruption=== (which was not written by me and contains some info that contradicts 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption). More images and better image placement should also be done. Cheers! -- mav 04:44, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
Somebody went ahead and nominated Mount St. Helens on the FAC page, so I cleaned the article up and it is now a featured article. I would like to put 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption through the FAC process but would like to have some feedback first at talk:1980 Mount St. Helens eruption. -- mav 08:45, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It doesn't align right any more, for example, take a look at Mount Baker. It's really awful. What should we do? -- hike395 01:11, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
I tracked it down --- it doesn't seem to substitute msg:Mountain_box_start into the table anymore. I'll see if this has been reported. We can either wait for a bug fix, or try to manually change >100 articles :-(. -- hike395 01:22, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
I've seen a category work-around that would not break the page layout and should still work when the category display issue is fixed: Add <br clear="all"> after the category tag. This only works when the category tag is at the top of the page and does leave an extra line of whitespace above the article. See Plutonium. -- mav 03:18, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, after spending several hours this evening playing with a template that accepts parameters, I have concluded that the current implementation just is not feature rich enough yet to work with the layout we currently use. The issues include
So, it seems that all we can do at the moment, is to define another template that defines the Mountain category and starts the table. Then, we must use {{subst:Mountain_box_begin}}. You can see an example of this on test: Harney Peak on test. The template is at: Mountain_box_begin template. You will need to edit the template to see the contents.
RedWolf 05:57, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
They have moved the Category links to the bottom of the article so we no longer need to add the Categories hack suggested by mav. I have created Template:Mountain box begin in the English wikipedia and added some info to the talk page on how to use it. I have used it on Mount Temple already and looks good so far. The mountain will be added to Category:Mountains. I will start applying the new template to other mountains and feel free to do the same. I'll update the project page in a day or two once others have posted any additional comments. Also, I setup the categories as follows:
Geography | | v Mountain ranges | | v Mountains
Eventually, we'll probably add subcategories to Mountains probably for each continent and then perhaps for each country. Open to other suggestions of course.
RedWolf 03:42, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
Does this template apply to other language wikipedia's? I'd like to use it in Dutch and in German. Is this possible? If so, how? Gerritholl 11:59, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I've started changing the volcanos that have Wikipedia articles and infoboxes from this project to have Volcanos as their category, rather than mountains. Since a volcano is somewhat distinct from an ordinary mountain, and since the volcano category is a sub-category of the mountain category anyway it seems like a good idea. David Newton 02:07, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Mount Adams for discussion on how to disambiguate this page. RedWolf 21:13, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I found this project, but I'm not sure that it is quite right for British hills. Have a look at Beinn Alligin, a page I've been working on. I think this type of fact box is better suited to British hills. Obviosluy the "two hills one page" needs justification: both hills are munros, but it is normal to talk only about "beinn alligin" in the singular. Many other hills are treated like this, eg Buchaille Etive Mor, Liathach. Thoughts please Grinner 13:55, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
Could anyone involved in this project please take a look at the articles listed on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Russian federal subjects/Status page in the In Progress and Done sections and make any necessary correction to the mountains references? Let me know if you need more info. Thanks!-- Ëzhiki 17:49, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
I've moved Wikipedia:WikiProject Mountains to the Inactive section of the WikiProject page, as it hasn't been edited since Nov 1st; I wanted to let you all know, and ask if you're still working on it. If so, feel free to move it back up into the active section. JesseW 08:08, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hello. I have created the Template:Infobox mountain. If you would like to alter it (as this is not my particular area of interest) feel free to do so. If you would like to see how it looks, I have implemented it at Ascension Island. All things should be approximately the same, with the exception of the border and the entries, as all are included (a feature I've not yet learned to like as some fields need be left empty) with the exception of Topo map, which is to be used with U.S. Mountains, using Template:Infobox US mountain. (Once again feel free to edit those — my familiarity with templates and tables is nil.) This is the base:
WikiProject Mountains/Archive 1 |
---|
The U.S. one should look exactly the same but with topo inserted between location and range. Also, as hike395 pointed out, you might not want to use them and of course you don't have to use them. This is just an effort on my part. You can keep doing it the same way that you have or as the theme of this comment suggests — fix it the way that you want it. Moogle 04:34, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Though it seems you have moved beyond this, I have created Template:Basic mountain and Template:Mountain picture and altered the original Infoboxes to use coordinates. The new ones are the same style as the initial infobox, but shorter, using only hike395's essentials as stated above.
As noted, I am not an expert in these tables, so I do not know how to change the width of the columns as has been done with those below.
Digression: You don't need quotes for border=1 and others. Putting the actual thing on the page makes this page very long and cluttery, would it not be easier to just link them?
As always, be sure to change, add, and remove anything that you decide should be different. Moogle 01:21, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
{{{name}}} | |||
---|---|---|---|
| |||
Elevation | {{{elevation}}} | ||
Coordinates | {{{latitude}}} {{{longitude}}} | ||
Location | {{{location}}} | ||
Range | {{{range}}} | ||
Type | {{{type}}} | ||
Age of Rock | {{{age}}} | ||
First Ascent | {{{first}}} | ||
Easiest Route | {{{easiest}}} | ||
Last Eruption | {{{eruption}}} |
Wouldn't it be nice to have geographical coordinates handled in a uniform manner (throughout Wikipedia) so that any geograpical positional ref. in an article would be clickable, revealing a page (much like with ISBN) that gives a choice of various maps, topological resources and satelite photots for that location?
For that to happen, all coordinates need to be uniform. Presumably a template is a good choice for that, see Template talk:Coordinate dms for some info on an initial implementation.
I have made a demo in Mount Baker. By clicking on the [1] you will be brought to Mapquest, where you can zoom out and find out more about the vicinity of the mountain. Hopefully, more map resources can be added later.
Two caveats: For such a scheme, it is much cleaner if the latitude and longitude appears together, e.g. within a box in the table. This can be done by placing a <br> in the middle. The current demo retains the two boxes, but it is pretty clumsy.
Additionally, there is currently a problem with fractional seconds and Mapquest. So I had to leave them out (they are still there as a source comment). Sorry.
See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Suggestion:_Template_for_geographic_coordinates for a discussion.
-- Egil 16:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have made a Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates for this feature. -- Egil 10:26, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have also implemented a proof-of-concept of the map page, running on and off-site server (until permissions is granted to include this in-house). Can you please update Wikipedia:Map sources with the maps and resources you know about. The format is explained in the project page.
Any yes, if the lat/long really is going to become a standard Wiki-link in the final interpretaion. the latitude and longitude needs to be in one box. -- Egil 15:39, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Installing NASA World Wind (sorry, Windows only so far), then following the geographic coordinates link in the Mount Baker infobox, selecting the World Wind link at the bottom of the Map Sources page, then selecting Landsat-7 gives full 3D visualization, producing images like this:
The yellow rings are Wikipedia click-through links, the upper one is for Seattle Space Needle.
-- Egil 23:05, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As the format of template:coor dms already offers consistent formatting and (if necessary easy conversion to future formats), I propose to proceed now with the conversion of the current two fields in the infobox to:
Coordinates: | 46°33′N 7°58′E / 46.550°N 7.967°E |
This would be similar to the samples in
Category:Mountains of Switzerland and the formatting done in other fields (see
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Series_of_coordinates).
D6 would process the conversions +/- automatically. -- User:Docu
RedWolf 05:39, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Discussion seems to have died down, so the conclusions seems to be:
Mauna Loa | |
---|---|
File:Mauna loa.jpg Eruption of Mauna Loa, March 1984. | |
Elevation: | 13,679 ft (4,169 m) |
wikipedia+talk+wikiproject+mountains+archive+1 Latitude and Longitude: |
19°28′46.3″N 155°36′09.6″W / 19.479528°N 155.602667°W |
Location: | Hawaii, USA |
Topo map: | USGS Mauna Loa |
Range: | Hawaiian Islands |
Type: | Shield volcano |
Age of rock: | < 200 Kyr |
Easiest route: | jeep trail |
Last eruption: | 1984 |
Well, one possibility is the table to the left: putting nbsp between every entity except not after the N/S hemisphere. The result is that the coordinates are split readably on two lines. I could support this, too. -- hike395 04:51, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Mauna Loa | |
---|---|
File:Mauna loa.jpg Eruption of Mauna Loa, March 1984. | |
Elevation: | 13,679 ft (4,169 m) |
wikipedia+talk+wikiproject+mountains+archive+1 Latitude and Longitude: |
19° 28′ 46.3″ N 155° 36′ 09.6″ W |
Location: | Hawaii, USA |
Topo map: | USGS Mauna Loa |
Range: | Hawaiian Islands |
Type: | Shield volcano |
Age of rock: | < 200 Kyr |
Easiest route: | jeep trail |
Last eruption: | 1984 |
Well, I'll go ahead and update the template. -- hike395 10:02, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)