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I'm starting the template conversion process discussed above. A recap of what's going to take place (both for anyone who has forgotten the previous outline and for anyone directed here from the edit summaries):
I will try to post regular progress updates here. Any help will be appreciated; the most work will be during stage 3, as there are almost 1500 articles to be converted.
Feel free to add comments or questions either here, or, if you need a faster response, directly on my talk page. The fact that this message is here, incidentally, means that stage 1 is complete ;-) — Kirill Lokshin 00:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Should Template:Attack on population center also be converted to the military conflict infobox? Only two articles use it ( [1] [2]) and as you can see, it looks quite horrendous. -- Loopy 04:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Infobox#Battles could do with fixing and maybe an explanatory note. -- Loopy 00:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
And we're down to ~600 articles, as of last count. — Kirill Lok s hin 05:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that's all of them (from whatlinkshere at least). -- Loopy e 03:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
As Brion Vibber has just stated that meta-templates are not necessarily forbidden for reasons of server load per se, I'm taking step 4 off the list for now. We should still finish up converting the remaining battleboxes, but we can leave {{ campaign}} in use until we get an explicit request to remove it.
My apologies to everyone if it turns out (as seems to be the case) that this conversion wasn't as urgent as I had thought; I can only say that I based my comments on what appeared, at the time, to be valid instructions from the developers. — Kirill Lok s hin 03:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Oberiko made a suggestion a while back that the Military project should be merged into this one. It (seems to) be concerned primarily with military units at the moment—something which we have been working with here (e.g. the new infobox).
I've posed largely the same question on that project as I will here: would such a merger be acceptable to everyone here? Is it a good or a bad idea? — Kirill Lokshin 04:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
A good sleep and good coffee seem to make me a bit exta contemplative today... I was thinking about the possibility of trying to consolidate and expand articles relating to Military history. Right now the canadian entry in Category:Wars by country is Category:Conflicts in Canada which seems to be limited to conflicts which happened within Canada's borders. with so much of Canada's Military history taking place around the world, I think that maybe a "Wars of Canada" catagory is called for. But I'd like to go beyond that to expand the Category:Military history of Canada category to include catagories for canadian partisipation in other conflicts that aren't listed, expand canadain regiment and unit related articles, perhaps create campaign boxes specific to canadian participation within diffrent wars and theaters of operations, and if needed, create articles detailing Canadian partisipation in wars, theaters and major battles. how much intrest would ther be in a sort of sub-project within WikiProject Military history? does this seem even a little viable? or should i switch to decaf? Thanks for your input! Mike McGregor (Can) 18:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Thats kind of what I thought, maybe a sort of 'Canadian Content Drive' is the way to go... I think I'll wait a bit to see how much intrest there is. I've created a Category:Wars of Canada, but its listed under 'W' for Wars... how do I move it to 'C'? Mike McGregor (Can). I guess now I would add the catagory tag to other appropriate catagories? 10:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been doing some brainstorming here, I'm just starting to put together an overview of what's already here and what i'd like to see ina a form that's easier for me to wrap my head around, and man, there's a lot! Mike McGregor (Can) 18:38, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I guess next step is to see who's intrested... you can add yourself at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Canadian military history task force and we can go from there.
I'm not seeing much interest with this... wait and see I guess... Mike McGregor (Can) 23:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
There are 3 different categories where German WWII militaty units have been placed. I want to improve this organization, to aid future editors. But I would like some feedback.
The 3 most used categories for German WWII units are:
Tracing these categories back to their parents, two of them are under Category:World War II (makes sense):
Recommendations:
Comments ? Wendell 01:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
As part of the discussion about setting up "task forces" for collaboration on specific topics (see " Canadian Military History Taskforce" above), the idea of having a project coordinator (or "lead editor") position was raised.
The coordinator(s) would be generally responsible for the procedural aspects of keeping the project running. In particular, the coordinator could manage the proposal and creation of new task forces.
A similar proposal was made on the WikiEn-l mailing list recently. That focused primarily on the need for a "lead editor" to make decisions where project members were divided over some issue.
The question then: would the creation of such a position (under any name) be acceptable to the members of this project?
(By way of full disclosure: the discussion referred to above touches on my own suitability for such a position. I am proposing it here in general; this does not mean, necessarily, that I would be the one to hold it.)
— Kirill Lok s hin 03:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
←(resetting indent as requested) Coordinator will work well, I suspect; it gives the impression of being official without sounding too dictatorial ;-) Do we want multiple coordinators, or a lead and assistants. or what? Also, when would we want to set up the elections/confirmations? We probably want to keep the general discussion open for another few days, at least, but I'm entirely open to ideas on this as well. — Kirill Lok s hin 03:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
So, anyone else have any ideas on this? Should we let the discussion sit longer, or do we want to go ahead with setting things up? — Kirill Lok s hin 22:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've created a rough draft for the election/approval process here. Any suggestions would be very appreciated; we still need to figure out (a) how long to run this for, (b) how to organize votes: support and oppose (RFA) or support only (Esperanza), and (c) how to deal with ties if we get any. Help with editing the overview of the position into a readable form would also be quite welcome ;-) — Kirill Lok s hin 03:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I've done some more work on the overview and procedure sections ( here). Some points we have so far (unless anyone would like a different procedure):
If anyone has any other ideas, please don't hesitate to bring them up :-) — Kirill Lok s hin 20:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
How's this for posting on members' talk pages?
-- Loopy e 01:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Anittas contacted me (as I posted the election message on their page) and suggests that there isn't much detail on the duties entailed in the roles. Do you think you could flesh it out, Kirill, or anyone else? If not, I'll try tomorrow. -- Loopy e 07:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Where can I find more information on creating maps for battle articles? Is there any vector format that can be used? This would give more consistent maps and also the possibility of view preferences. tpower 17:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Fairly new Wikipedian with a strong base of knowledge in military history, looking to help out generally. I'm searching through the tasks and seeing a lot of stuff that needs to be done; is there anything big in particular that needs working on? KrazyCaley 06:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
" Invasion" is the current collaboration of the week, which may be of interest to many here. Don't know if that goes in the "announcements" box. If so, feel free to add it & delete this. -- Kevin Myers | (complaint dept.) 19:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey There,
I've worked on several unit histories for Second World War Axis Forces, also I have completed several campaign/battle pages for the War in the East. I've just completed creating the Battle of Teugen-Hausen article, and I am currently working on the Battle of Eckmühl. Once i've completed this, I will expand on the War of the Fifth Coalition page, and perhaps look at expanding several of the stubs to do with that war. -- ansbachdragoner 03:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Dear all,
BlueShirts and I have worked for some time on the article Sino-German cooperation. We have submitted it for FAC review, but fellow editors have not been forthcoming with comments. As I quote BlueShirts, "I'm not surprised to see that so far we're the only two votes, while some inane article on bulbasaur has like thirty votes." So if you guys would be kind enough to hop over there and give us some comments on the article (hopefully to support, but please critique as well), we'd be doing something against systematic bias! Thank you. -- Миборовский U| T| C| M| E| Chugoku Banzai! 01:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Jamesday, our lead database administrator, has requested that we avoid the use of "decorative" or "icon" images due to the server load they create. I have therefore removed the images used in our stub templates and userbox.
If anyone has any ideas for (non-image) things to put at the front of the stub templates, feel free to play around; they look somewhat bland at the moment ;-) — Kirill Lok s hin 20:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have written a new overview article, Western Theater of the American Civil War. Before I start linking it into other articles, I'd appreciate review of this community. And see my comments in its Talk page. Thanks. Hal Jespersen 02:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I notice someone has removed all of pictures related to the stub articles. Can we not use these anymore ? SirIsaacBrock 02:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it's about time we upgraded the main template to bring it in line with other major projects. Some examples are Template:Islam, Template:Judaism, and Template:Israelis. Discussion should be on Template talk:History of war. Palm_Dogg 17:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The templete WikiProject Military history only appears on about ~120 articles, using the "what links here option". That number seems low and I figured it was related to the known templete problems with "what links here" link. Then I noted that some key articles do not have the templete, like Battle of the Netherlands and Operation Market Garden. So I fixed those, but I guess the task is huge. Template:Campaign has roughly 600 articles that link there. I did a random sampling of 10 articles that link to Template:Campaign and 8 of 10 had the WikiProject Military history.
I do not know what any of this means, but is it time to get someone with a bot to start adding project templetes? Wendell 20:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I'm starting the template conversion process discussed above. A recap of what's going to take place (both for anyone who has forgotten the previous outline and for anyone directed here from the edit summaries):
I will try to post regular progress updates here. Any help will be appreciated; the most work will be during stage 3, as there are almost 1500 articles to be converted.
Feel free to add comments or questions either here, or, if you need a faster response, directly on my talk page. The fact that this message is here, incidentally, means that stage 1 is complete ;-) — Kirill Lokshin 00:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Should Template:Attack on population center also be converted to the military conflict infobox? Only two articles use it ( [1] [2]) and as you can see, it looks quite horrendous. -- Loopy 04:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Infobox#Battles could do with fixing and maybe an explanatory note. -- Loopy 00:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
And we're down to ~600 articles, as of last count. — Kirill Lok s hin 05:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that's all of them (from whatlinkshere at least). -- Loopy e 03:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
As Brion Vibber has just stated that meta-templates are not necessarily forbidden for reasons of server load per se, I'm taking step 4 off the list for now. We should still finish up converting the remaining battleboxes, but we can leave {{ campaign}} in use until we get an explicit request to remove it.
My apologies to everyone if it turns out (as seems to be the case) that this conversion wasn't as urgent as I had thought; I can only say that I based my comments on what appeared, at the time, to be valid instructions from the developers. — Kirill Lok s hin 03:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Oberiko made a suggestion a while back that the Military project should be merged into this one. It (seems to) be concerned primarily with military units at the moment—something which we have been working with here (e.g. the new infobox).
I've posed largely the same question on that project as I will here: would such a merger be acceptable to everyone here? Is it a good or a bad idea? — Kirill Lokshin 04:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
A good sleep and good coffee seem to make me a bit exta contemplative today... I was thinking about the possibility of trying to consolidate and expand articles relating to Military history. Right now the canadian entry in Category:Wars by country is Category:Conflicts in Canada which seems to be limited to conflicts which happened within Canada's borders. with so much of Canada's Military history taking place around the world, I think that maybe a "Wars of Canada" catagory is called for. But I'd like to go beyond that to expand the Category:Military history of Canada category to include catagories for canadian partisipation in other conflicts that aren't listed, expand canadain regiment and unit related articles, perhaps create campaign boxes specific to canadian participation within diffrent wars and theaters of operations, and if needed, create articles detailing Canadian partisipation in wars, theaters and major battles. how much intrest would ther be in a sort of sub-project within WikiProject Military history? does this seem even a little viable? or should i switch to decaf? Thanks for your input! Mike McGregor (Can) 18:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Thats kind of what I thought, maybe a sort of 'Canadian Content Drive' is the way to go... I think I'll wait a bit to see how much intrest there is. I've created a Category:Wars of Canada, but its listed under 'W' for Wars... how do I move it to 'C'? Mike McGregor (Can). I guess now I would add the catagory tag to other appropriate catagories? 10:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been doing some brainstorming here, I'm just starting to put together an overview of what's already here and what i'd like to see ina a form that's easier for me to wrap my head around, and man, there's a lot! Mike McGregor (Can) 18:38, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I guess next step is to see who's intrested... you can add yourself at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Canadian military history task force and we can go from there.
I'm not seeing much interest with this... wait and see I guess... Mike McGregor (Can) 23:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
There are 3 different categories where German WWII militaty units have been placed. I want to improve this organization, to aid future editors. But I would like some feedback.
The 3 most used categories for German WWII units are:
Tracing these categories back to their parents, two of them are under Category:World War II (makes sense):
Recommendations:
Comments ? Wendell 01:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
As part of the discussion about setting up "task forces" for collaboration on specific topics (see " Canadian Military History Taskforce" above), the idea of having a project coordinator (or "lead editor") position was raised.
The coordinator(s) would be generally responsible for the procedural aspects of keeping the project running. In particular, the coordinator could manage the proposal and creation of new task forces.
A similar proposal was made on the WikiEn-l mailing list recently. That focused primarily on the need for a "lead editor" to make decisions where project members were divided over some issue.
The question then: would the creation of such a position (under any name) be acceptable to the members of this project?
(By way of full disclosure: the discussion referred to above touches on my own suitability for such a position. I am proposing it here in general; this does not mean, necessarily, that I would be the one to hold it.)
— Kirill Lok s hin 03:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
←(resetting indent as requested) Coordinator will work well, I suspect; it gives the impression of being official without sounding too dictatorial ;-) Do we want multiple coordinators, or a lead and assistants. or what? Also, when would we want to set up the elections/confirmations? We probably want to keep the general discussion open for another few days, at least, but I'm entirely open to ideas on this as well. — Kirill Lok s hin 03:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
So, anyone else have any ideas on this? Should we let the discussion sit longer, or do we want to go ahead with setting things up? — Kirill Lok s hin 22:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've created a rough draft for the election/approval process here. Any suggestions would be very appreciated; we still need to figure out (a) how long to run this for, (b) how to organize votes: support and oppose (RFA) or support only (Esperanza), and (c) how to deal with ties if we get any. Help with editing the overview of the position into a readable form would also be quite welcome ;-) — Kirill Lok s hin 03:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I've done some more work on the overview and procedure sections ( here). Some points we have so far (unless anyone would like a different procedure):
If anyone has any other ideas, please don't hesitate to bring them up :-) — Kirill Lok s hin 20:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
How's this for posting on members' talk pages?
-- Loopy e 01:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Anittas contacted me (as I posted the election message on their page) and suggests that there isn't much detail on the duties entailed in the roles. Do you think you could flesh it out, Kirill, or anyone else? If not, I'll try tomorrow. -- Loopy e 07:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Where can I find more information on creating maps for battle articles? Is there any vector format that can be used? This would give more consistent maps and also the possibility of view preferences. tpower 17:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Fairly new Wikipedian with a strong base of knowledge in military history, looking to help out generally. I'm searching through the tasks and seeing a lot of stuff that needs to be done; is there anything big in particular that needs working on? KrazyCaley 06:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
" Invasion" is the current collaboration of the week, which may be of interest to many here. Don't know if that goes in the "announcements" box. If so, feel free to add it & delete this. -- Kevin Myers | (complaint dept.) 19:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey There,
I've worked on several unit histories for Second World War Axis Forces, also I have completed several campaign/battle pages for the War in the East. I've just completed creating the Battle of Teugen-Hausen article, and I am currently working on the Battle of Eckmühl. Once i've completed this, I will expand on the War of the Fifth Coalition page, and perhaps look at expanding several of the stubs to do with that war. -- ansbachdragoner 03:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Dear all,
BlueShirts and I have worked for some time on the article Sino-German cooperation. We have submitted it for FAC review, but fellow editors have not been forthcoming with comments. As I quote BlueShirts, "I'm not surprised to see that so far we're the only two votes, while some inane article on bulbasaur has like thirty votes." So if you guys would be kind enough to hop over there and give us some comments on the article (hopefully to support, but please critique as well), we'd be doing something against systematic bias! Thank you. -- Миборовский U| T| C| M| E| Chugoku Banzai! 01:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Jamesday, our lead database administrator, has requested that we avoid the use of "decorative" or "icon" images due to the server load they create. I have therefore removed the images used in our stub templates and userbox.
If anyone has any ideas for (non-image) things to put at the front of the stub templates, feel free to play around; they look somewhat bland at the moment ;-) — Kirill Lok s hin 20:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have written a new overview article, Western Theater of the American Civil War. Before I start linking it into other articles, I'd appreciate review of this community. And see my comments in its Talk page. Thanks. Hal Jespersen 02:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I notice someone has removed all of pictures related to the stub articles. Can we not use these anymore ? SirIsaacBrock 02:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it's about time we upgraded the main template to bring it in line with other major projects. Some examples are Template:Islam, Template:Judaism, and Template:Israelis. Discussion should be on Template talk:History of war. Palm_Dogg 17:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The templete WikiProject Military history only appears on about ~120 articles, using the "what links here option". That number seems low and I figured it was related to the known templete problems with "what links here" link. Then I noted that some key articles do not have the templete, like Battle of the Netherlands and Operation Market Garden. So I fixed those, but I guess the task is huge. Template:Campaign has roughly 600 articles that link there. I did a random sampling of 10 articles that link to Template:Campaign and 8 of 10 had the WikiProject Military history.
I do not know what any of this means, but is it time to get someone with a bot to start adding project templetes? Wendell 20:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)