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I think the history of Mesoamerica has a bias toward Mexico's history, the chronology is not accurate neither, We will have to work on this, I propose to the members to do it again. Authenticmaya 21:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey all - I don't know if this has been discussed before, but Chunchucmil and I have been toying around with an infobox for our Chunchucmil article (its still a work in progress) that's based on a couple I saw for archaeological sites in Florida (e.g., Crystal River, Burns Lake) Has anyone considered doing these for mesoamerican sites? It would help in synthesizing the presentation of basic information. Comments, suggestions welcome. Oaxaca dan 18:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
The fields could be made optional in most cases so as not to clutter up if not known or applicable for the particular site. Anyways, they have just been my thoughts, would welcome any comment or input. I hope to get the locator map done in the next week or two.-- cjllw | TALK 04:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
After coming across this set of articles through the wikification project I realised that a bit of a sort out is required. I've put a plea for help on the article's talk page outlining my concerns in detail. Madmedea 22:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've posed the idea of splitting the Mesoamerica page - please see Talk:Mesoamerica if you have any comments/ideas. Thanks! -- Oaxaca dan 01:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been upgrading the article on mesoamerican languages from a mere list to a fullfledged article over the last couple of days. I would appreciate all assistance by project members in copyediting, adding content, providing references, criticizing and posing the right questions in order to make the page progress towards a first class status. Given the current frenzy of criticism towards the Mayan languages article which I frankly thought was perfectly fine I don't have high hopes for it reaching FA status (although I have tried to avoid the same mistakes as we've made over there), but I would like to get it as close as possible. Good knowledge of either Mesoamerican history, linguistics, english grammar and spelling and citation/reference rules would be useful for the further development of the article. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 12:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thumb|110px|right|Las Limas Monument 1.Fellow travellers:
Because I've so loved the critiques we've received over at the Featured Article nomination of Mayan languages, I decided to nominate a photo of Las Limas Monument 1 for Featured Picture (review here). My nomination is hopefully complete enough, so I won't repeat it here but I do love this photo both for its drama and for its encyclopedic value.
I have recently found Flickr to be a goldmine of photos, many of which, because they are already Creative Commons, etc., can be immediately uploaded to Wikipedia, no questions asked. In two other cases, including the nomination above, I asked the photog for permission, which they graciously provided.
Here are my recent Flickr uploads:
Update (18 March) More beauties from Flickr:
These images really spark up the articles and are worth a thousand words. I would be happy to look/ask if you're interested in a specific artifact/photo. Madman 18:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm a new user to Wiki and tried to add a useful reference to the article on Copan, but it was removed without explanation. The reference (Informal Empire: Mexico and Central America in Victorian Culture(Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2005), contains new research about British attempts in the 1850s to cart away some of the ruins to the British Museum. The research was done from primary documents in British archives, and is authoritative. Wouldn't you want readers of Wiki to know about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdaguirre ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Hey all - I've recently created an article for the sorely-needed Valley of Oaxaca - if anyone who knows anything about the valley and wants to lend a hand, it would be super-cool. For the time being, I'll be adding material in bits and pieces. Cheers to all -- Oaxaca dan 04:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Timeline chapter timetables added to Maya ceramics article-- John Zdralek 13:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't know if anyone saw, but I proposed starting up an article on the theories concerning the Maya "collapse" - mentioned it on Talk:Maya civilization. While there is sufficient material on the subject present on the Maya civilization page, I am unsure what to call the article, since "Maya collapse" is a bit of misnomer - what we're really talking about is the disintegration of political structure in the southern maya area and the shifting of focus onto the northern lowlands.. ideally, I would want it to look like Madman's excellent article on Olmec influences on Mesoamerican culture - well sourced, presents each theoretical arguement concisely, etc. - anyway, any ideas, please let me know -- Oaxaca dan 00:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
(Uundent) I know: The Decline and Fall of the Mayan Empire. No wait — Gibbon already took that one... :-) -- Ling.Nut 19:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I have been adding additional research, writing, and content to the Classic Maya Collapse article, with multiple academic references. But the article still states, in a box at the top of the article, that the article contains no references. What needs to be done to remove the box with this message? What does it mean that the article was "tagged" in April of 2007? I am a new editor/contributor, so any assistance would be appreciated. I'd be willing to work on the WikiProject Mesoamerica. Thank you.
/s/ Galaxy413, 9-10-07
___________________________________________________________ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxy413 ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hiya,
As some of you know from hanging out at <plug> Wikipedia WikiProject Endangered languages</plug>, I spend most of my time looking at things around the general region of the Formosan languages...
...but I happened across this, which looks like it may be up your alley. Sorry if it's a tiny bit dated:
Proto-Uto-Aztecan: A Community of Cultivators in Central Mexico? Jane H. Hill
American Anthropologist December 2001, Vol. 103, No. 4, pp. 913-934
Concepts: cultivation, Community, history, speakers, protolanguage, spread, maize cultivation, chronology, northward.
"Authorities on the origin and history of Uto-Aztecan have held that speakers of the protolanguage were foragers who lived in upland regions of Arizona, New Mexico, and the adjacent areas of the Mexican states of Sonora and Chihuahua about 5,000 years ago. New lexical evidence supports a different view, that speakers of the protolanguage were maize cultivators. The Proto-Uto-Aztecan speech community was probably located in Mesoamerica and spread northward into the present range because of demographic pressure associated with cultivation. The chronology for the spread and differentiation of the family should then correspond to the chronology for the northward spread of maize cultivation from Mesoamerica into the U.S. Southwest, between 4500 and 3000 B.P. [Uto-Aztecan, cultivation, Mesoamerican, historical linguistics, migration]"
Later -- Ling.Nut 16:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi again,
Hope the thread I just posted immediately above is useful...
![]() |
The Ek' Mayan Morningstar | |
To the members of WikiProject
Mesoamerica For a well executed teamwork leading to the promotion to Featured Article of Mayan languages |
·Maunus· ·ƛ· 09:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Maya women has been tagged "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards" since November 2005. "The oldest cleanup requests are the highest priority, to prevent embarrassing problems from going unfixed for an indefinite length of time" [1]. Anybody care to take a look at this? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 05:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Apologies if this isn’t the correct means or place for this. I’ve not contributed to wikipedia pages before.
Offer to help expand the page: I’ve just generated a fantasy Pochteca page for Thomas Harlan’s Sixth Sun sf series, and as a result have gathered a fair bit of historical material. If it would help, I’d be willing to expand the Wikipedia page with the genuine material. -- Norsktrad 17:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Brigham Young University has sponsored (under the banner of the New World Archaeological Foundation, or NWAF) a large number of archaeological excavations in Mesoamerica with a focus on the Mesoamerican time period known as the Preclassic (earlier than c. AD 200). I have added the article Archaeology and the Book of Mormon to this wikiproject and I would encourage contributions from any editors who are particularly familiar with the state of archaeological research in Mesoamerica. - Authalic 18:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much, G L. I have added this material to the Olmec alternative origin speculations along with a painting-kinda I made of the noted face from La Venta Stela 3. Madman 05:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I've started a new article on Aztec cuisine which might be of interest to the project.
Peter Isotalo 14:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I've been creating a bunch of pages (mostly stubs) on Latin American Studies: see Category:Latin American studies. Would anyone be interested in helping me add to these and fleshing them out? Is there another good place to look for volunteers? -- Jbmurray 18:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The date is set for Mayan languages to appear on the main page on May 21! Finally we are harvesting the fruits of our labour! Maunus ( talk • contribs) 06:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
An obviously well-intentioned editor is confused about some referencing questions etc. This article is not included in WP:MESO, but is related... what wikiproject should it be in anyhow? Anyhow, despite my obvious Wikipedia addiction ;-) I really really really really should be studying for prelims. Can someone help out with Pre-Columbian? thanks! Ling.Nut 13:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I rewrote the ixchel article. The present quality rating is 'start class'. It would be a great help if I knew what led to its present low rating and on which points it should be improved. retal 77.162.130.139 13:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Retal 77.162.130.139 19:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I think the history of Mesoamerica has a bias toward Mexico's history, the chronology is not accurate neither, We will have to work on this, I propose to the members to do it again. Authenticmaya 21:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey all - I don't know if this has been discussed before, but Chunchucmil and I have been toying around with an infobox for our Chunchucmil article (its still a work in progress) that's based on a couple I saw for archaeological sites in Florida (e.g., Crystal River, Burns Lake) Has anyone considered doing these for mesoamerican sites? It would help in synthesizing the presentation of basic information. Comments, suggestions welcome. Oaxaca dan 18:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
The fields could be made optional in most cases so as not to clutter up if not known or applicable for the particular site. Anyways, they have just been my thoughts, would welcome any comment or input. I hope to get the locator map done in the next week or two.-- cjllw | TALK 04:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
After coming across this set of articles through the wikification project I realised that a bit of a sort out is required. I've put a plea for help on the article's talk page outlining my concerns in detail. Madmedea 22:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've posed the idea of splitting the Mesoamerica page - please see Talk:Mesoamerica if you have any comments/ideas. Thanks! -- Oaxaca dan 01:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been upgrading the article on mesoamerican languages from a mere list to a fullfledged article over the last couple of days. I would appreciate all assistance by project members in copyediting, adding content, providing references, criticizing and posing the right questions in order to make the page progress towards a first class status. Given the current frenzy of criticism towards the Mayan languages article which I frankly thought was perfectly fine I don't have high hopes for it reaching FA status (although I have tried to avoid the same mistakes as we've made over there), but I would like to get it as close as possible. Good knowledge of either Mesoamerican history, linguistics, english grammar and spelling and citation/reference rules would be useful for the further development of the article. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 12:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thumb|110px|right|Las Limas Monument 1.Fellow travellers:
Because I've so loved the critiques we've received over at the Featured Article nomination of Mayan languages, I decided to nominate a photo of Las Limas Monument 1 for Featured Picture (review here). My nomination is hopefully complete enough, so I won't repeat it here but I do love this photo both for its drama and for its encyclopedic value.
I have recently found Flickr to be a goldmine of photos, many of which, because they are already Creative Commons, etc., can be immediately uploaded to Wikipedia, no questions asked. In two other cases, including the nomination above, I asked the photog for permission, which they graciously provided.
Here are my recent Flickr uploads:
Update (18 March) More beauties from Flickr:
These images really spark up the articles and are worth a thousand words. I would be happy to look/ask if you're interested in a specific artifact/photo. Madman 18:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm a new user to Wiki and tried to add a useful reference to the article on Copan, but it was removed without explanation. The reference (Informal Empire: Mexico and Central America in Victorian Culture(Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2005), contains new research about British attempts in the 1850s to cart away some of the ruins to the British Museum. The research was done from primary documents in British archives, and is authoritative. Wouldn't you want readers of Wiki to know about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdaguirre ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Hey all - I've recently created an article for the sorely-needed Valley of Oaxaca - if anyone who knows anything about the valley and wants to lend a hand, it would be super-cool. For the time being, I'll be adding material in bits and pieces. Cheers to all -- Oaxaca dan 04:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Timeline chapter timetables added to Maya ceramics article-- John Zdralek 13:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't know if anyone saw, but I proposed starting up an article on the theories concerning the Maya "collapse" - mentioned it on Talk:Maya civilization. While there is sufficient material on the subject present on the Maya civilization page, I am unsure what to call the article, since "Maya collapse" is a bit of misnomer - what we're really talking about is the disintegration of political structure in the southern maya area and the shifting of focus onto the northern lowlands.. ideally, I would want it to look like Madman's excellent article on Olmec influences on Mesoamerican culture - well sourced, presents each theoretical arguement concisely, etc. - anyway, any ideas, please let me know -- Oaxaca dan 00:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
(Uundent) I know: The Decline and Fall of the Mayan Empire. No wait — Gibbon already took that one... :-) -- Ling.Nut 19:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I have been adding additional research, writing, and content to the Classic Maya Collapse article, with multiple academic references. But the article still states, in a box at the top of the article, that the article contains no references. What needs to be done to remove the box with this message? What does it mean that the article was "tagged" in April of 2007? I am a new editor/contributor, so any assistance would be appreciated. I'd be willing to work on the WikiProject Mesoamerica. Thank you.
/s/ Galaxy413, 9-10-07
___________________________________________________________ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxy413 ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hiya,
As some of you know from hanging out at <plug> Wikipedia WikiProject Endangered languages</plug>, I spend most of my time looking at things around the general region of the Formosan languages...
...but I happened across this, which looks like it may be up your alley. Sorry if it's a tiny bit dated:
Proto-Uto-Aztecan: A Community of Cultivators in Central Mexico? Jane H. Hill
American Anthropologist December 2001, Vol. 103, No. 4, pp. 913-934
Concepts: cultivation, Community, history, speakers, protolanguage, spread, maize cultivation, chronology, northward.
"Authorities on the origin and history of Uto-Aztecan have held that speakers of the protolanguage were foragers who lived in upland regions of Arizona, New Mexico, and the adjacent areas of the Mexican states of Sonora and Chihuahua about 5,000 years ago. New lexical evidence supports a different view, that speakers of the protolanguage were maize cultivators. The Proto-Uto-Aztecan speech community was probably located in Mesoamerica and spread northward into the present range because of demographic pressure associated with cultivation. The chronology for the spread and differentiation of the family should then correspond to the chronology for the northward spread of maize cultivation from Mesoamerica into the U.S. Southwest, between 4500 and 3000 B.P. [Uto-Aztecan, cultivation, Mesoamerican, historical linguistics, migration]"
Later -- Ling.Nut 16:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi again,
Hope the thread I just posted immediately above is useful...
![]() |
The Ek' Mayan Morningstar | |
To the members of WikiProject
Mesoamerica For a well executed teamwork leading to the promotion to Featured Article of Mayan languages |
·Maunus· ·ƛ· 09:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Maya women has been tagged "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards" since November 2005. "The oldest cleanup requests are the highest priority, to prevent embarrassing problems from going unfixed for an indefinite length of time" [1]. Anybody care to take a look at this? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 05:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Apologies if this isn’t the correct means or place for this. I’ve not contributed to wikipedia pages before.
Offer to help expand the page: I’ve just generated a fantasy Pochteca page for Thomas Harlan’s Sixth Sun sf series, and as a result have gathered a fair bit of historical material. If it would help, I’d be willing to expand the Wikipedia page with the genuine material. -- Norsktrad 17:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Brigham Young University has sponsored (under the banner of the New World Archaeological Foundation, or NWAF) a large number of archaeological excavations in Mesoamerica with a focus on the Mesoamerican time period known as the Preclassic (earlier than c. AD 200). I have added the article Archaeology and the Book of Mormon to this wikiproject and I would encourage contributions from any editors who are particularly familiar with the state of archaeological research in Mesoamerica. - Authalic 18:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much, G L. I have added this material to the Olmec alternative origin speculations along with a painting-kinda I made of the noted face from La Venta Stela 3. Madman 05:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I've started a new article on Aztec cuisine which might be of interest to the project.
Peter Isotalo 14:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I've been creating a bunch of pages (mostly stubs) on Latin American Studies: see Category:Latin American studies. Would anyone be interested in helping me add to these and fleshing them out? Is there another good place to look for volunteers? -- Jbmurray 18:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The date is set for Mayan languages to appear on the main page on May 21! Finally we are harvesting the fruits of our labour! Maunus ( talk • contribs) 06:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
An obviously well-intentioned editor is confused about some referencing questions etc. This article is not included in WP:MESO, but is related... what wikiproject should it be in anyhow? Anyhow, despite my obvious Wikipedia addiction ;-) I really really really really should be studying for prelims. Can someone help out with Pre-Columbian? thanks! Ling.Nut 13:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I rewrote the ixchel article. The present quality rating is 'start class'. It would be a great help if I knew what led to its present low rating and on which points it should be improved. retal 77.162.130.139 13:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Retal 77.162.130.139 19:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)