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Philosophy of mathematics Recurrent themes include: • What are the sources of mathematical subject matter? X experience and experiment • What is the ontological status of mathematical entities? X Abstract concepts • What does it mean to refer to a mathematical object? X Abstract concepts objects • What is the character of a mathematical proposition? X Reforming one to others • What is the relation between logic and mathematics? X One of systematical reforming one to others. • What is the role of hermeneutics in mathematics? X Making sense of math for human • What kinds of inquiry play a role in mathematics? X One of input info of math • What are the objectives of mathematical inquiry? X more information for math • What gives mathematics its hold on experience? X Theorize exp for systematizing • What are the human traits behind mathematics? X extremely objecting objects • What is mathematical beauty? X equally objecting of objects • What is the source and nature of mathematical truth? (equally objecting-source)-(abstract concept truth-nature) • What is the relationship between the abstract world of mathematics and the material universe? X the world of mathematics abstract measurably the infinity of the material universe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuong19861986 ( talk • contribs) 08:20, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rational trigonometry may need input from here. -- 101.119.15.209 ( talk) 11:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
The recurrent debate about the balance between accessibility for the layman, accurateness and level of technicality has started at Talk:Derivative#Definition of the derivative about a concrete edit. I'll reinstall the reverted new section "Definition and terminology" [1] only if there is a consensus. D.Lazard ( talk) 18:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
The article titled Ortsbogen theorem is on a topic that seems worth having an article about. It's been prodded for lack of evidence that anybody knows it by that particular name. And apparently it's not known by that name in English. Someone used a German word apparently because that's what they knew.
I appears that there may be no standard name for this theorem in English. So we have the challenge of deciding what to call the article.
I think maybe "Ortsbogen" could be translated as "local arc", but I'm not sure that terminology makes any sense. Michael Hardy ( talk) 00:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I think the usual translation of "Ort" (literally place, location) in this context would be the (geometric) Locus (mathematics). A more common (and more general) term in German is "Ortskurve" (geometric locus), where "Kurve" stands for a planar/plane curve and "Bogen" (="arc") is simply a special type of curve. As far as notability is concerned, having an article on an (unnamed?) theorem of Euclid's Elements might be ok, but we certainly need a more appropriate English name rather than this German term (in doubt simply use Euclid's enumeration scheme for theorems/propositions as a name).-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 07:38, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
French Wikipedia has an article titled Arc capable. The concept is defined as the set of points M in the plane such that the angle AMB is equal to a specified constant, where A and B are specified points. This seems to be exactly synonymous with the German word Ortsbogen. A google search on any of the following seems to show that the term is in frequent use in German-speaking secondary schools:
So French an German have a term for the arc defined that way and English apparently has none. Michael Hardy ( talk) 19:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
There seem to be two or three separate geometric propositions here:
The illustrations in the first and second articles listed above may be worth using here. The first and third seem to be on exactly the same concept that the word Ortsbogen refers to. Michael Hardy ( talk) 19:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The page generic (mathematics) currently redirects to general position. The only page that uses the generic link directly is forcing (mathematics), where it refers to something in model theory, not the algebraic geometric notion of general position. I'm not quite sure what the correct fix is. -- Walt Pohl ( talk) 17:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
. . . and now I've changed it to a disambiguation page. Michael Hardy ( talk) 00:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
There are some serious deficiencies which several users have identified in the Stephen Hawking article which was promoted to FA status earlier this year after an FAC that wasn't rigorous. Please feel free to comment and contribute to the debate at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Stephen Hawking/archive1 on whether this article should be delisted and what work needs to be done.-- ColonelHenry ( talk) 17:06, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
This page had an extremely complicated list of mathematical constants in addition to another, older table. I split the table off into list of mathematical constants, but this has overlap with list of numbers. Any suggestions? Brirush ( talk) 02:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Currently, the László Fejes Tóth article is supported only by the science and academia biography work group, which marked it as Low-importance. I note very few, if any at that working group, who write on mathematics or mathematicians. The article supports the claim that, together with H.S.M. Coxeter and Paul Erdős, he laid the foundations of discrete geometry. Therefore, I nominate the article as one worthy of inclusion in your project. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 15:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. User:HopsonRoad 23:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
While the subtraction and addition articles have managed to use clear and simple English to introduce their subjects, the same cannot be said for multiplication. Multiplication is defined in terms of "scaling." Who is there that knows what scaling is (there is no link or explanation) -- especially in this context -- but does nto know what multiplication is? My request for clarification on the multiplication talk page has brought no response. So I have come here to ask for help. Kdammers ( talk) 13:22, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I've just added this illustration to the article titled Inscribed angle. I found the picture on this French Wikipedia page.
The article could use some work, including making it explicit that we may want to consider two or three theorems of Euclidean geometry, one of which I stated in the caption. I will probably be back to work on it unless someone first brings it to condition that I cannot improve. Michael Hardy ( talk) 18:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
User:YohanN7 has made good contributions to the Representation theory of the Lorentz group article. One thing which may interest mathematicians here is something called "the main theorem of compactness" as described in the link to the section on the talk page.
Does anyone know if we have an article (even just a stub) relevant to the representation theory of the Lorentz group? If not would anyone like to create it? (I can't). M∧Ŝ c2ħε Иτlk 13:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello all. I'm working on an update for Module:Math at the moment, and I have a question about the greatest common divisor function when passed zero and negative numbers. If you know about that kind of thing, I'd be grateful if you could comment over at Module talk:Math#Testcases. Thanks. :) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:45, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I am trying to gauge support for a possible move of Cantor–Bernstein–Schroeder theorem to Schröder–Bernstein theorem (or some close variant). Please comment at talk:Cantor–Bernstein–Schroeder theorem#Article name. -- Trovatore ( talk) 08:45, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Is the article titled List of quadratic irrational numbers set in a systematic order worth having? Michael Hardy ( talk) 17:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Any opinions of the article titled Scheffé’s lemma? Its deletion has been proposed. Michael Hardy ( talk) 06:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion involving only two editors about the content of the lead of algebra. Although both editors have attempted to explain their position, this discussion turns out into a starting edit war, because of the absence of third party opinion. As this vital article is one of the 500 most frequently viewed articles, third party arbitration would be welcome. D.Lazard ( talk) 17:04, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Greetings! Math-related disambiguation pages with large numbers of incoming links for the December 2013 disambiguation contest are listed below. Any help with fixing the links to these pages is appreciated. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:02, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Adding two more:
Cheers! bd2412 T 17:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Isn't "noetherian" effectively synonymous with "ascending chain conditions" (albeit much shorter and cooler)? Perhaps "noetherian scheme" is an exception, but it basically a generalization of "noetherian ring" so maybe we should merge it to ascending chain condition? -- Taku ( talk) 13:11, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Here is another one that will definitely require expert attention: # Conway polynomial: 13 links. Thanks! bd2412 T 16:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Found another one: Boundedness: 14 links. bd2412 T 04:30, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
The article on Bell's Theorem (belonging to subfields: mathematical physics, quantum information, ...) has been an enormous mess for a long time. I just started doing some cleaning up but a major rewrite is needed. Maybe it is a good time to do this? The usual controversies are somewhat abated at the moment. It needs a concerted effort by a lot of reasonably well-informed people, who are not in the first place motivated by a particular (minority?) point of view on the topic. Richard Gill ( talk) 11:44, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Loewy decomposition needs copy-editing and probably other work. In particular, currently only one other article links to it: Alfred Loewy. I'll add it to the list of differential equations topics if that exists. Michael Hardy ( talk) 21:30, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
This question actually arises from Wiktionary, where we have found various references to the term "
powerstructure" in mathematics (as in "Powerstructure Theorem" or "Powerstructure Axiom"), for example
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7],
[8]. It occurred to me that this might also merit encyclopedic mention. Cheers!
bd2412
T 15:21, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Should the List of Fourier analysis topics get organized into sections? Michael Hardy ( talk) 21:29, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
You may be interested in helping out WP:AFC by taking a look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Transient convection diffusion equation. It seemed vaguely ok to me at first glance, but I don't know enough to gauge the article or its similarity to Convection diffusion equation. Thank you! -- TKK! bark with me! 07:23, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
You might want to contribute to the discussion. Don't forget to mention Karl Weierstrass. Uncle G ( talk) 14:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I could use some help with the current FA nomination of the article on Josiah Willard Gibbs. Please take a look and comment as you see fit. Also, some time ago I mentioned here that I think Gibbs should be re-assessed as of Top importance in both chemistry (he's the father of physical chemistry) and physics (he's one of the three founders of statistical mechanics), and of high importance in math (he created vector calculus and pioneered convex analysis). I got no response back then, but I see no harm in bringing this up again. - Eb.hoop ( talk) 20:12, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm new page patrolling and I'd appreciate someone with math knowledge having a review of Uzawa iteration. Thanks, Ego White Tray ( talk) 23:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a move request in progress for the article above, at Talk:Monoid ring. If editors in this project are interested, please go there and contribute to the discussion. Thanks — Amakuru ( talk) 01:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
There has been some vs. activity on Mathematical constant, but it seems mild. Brirush ( talk) 14:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Should some of the material at Multidimensional Transform get merged into one of the Fourier analysis articles? Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm sketching out what would be required for a bibliography of Paul Erdős. The sources I have use mr and zbl numbers, but many (most) of his publications also have a DOI number. I assume the first two are more useful to this community. Should I plan on including the DOI as well? (I understand that {{cite doi|}} fills in much of the information, but based on my tests I'm not seeing it picking up mr and zbl. {{cite zbl|}} would be handy, but it doesn't exist.) Thanks! Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 02:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
David Eppstein, RockMagnetist: thanks to you both for your helpful comments. Once I get the first hundred or so entries in shape I might post a request for review here. (It's a little humbling to realize Erdős has more posthumous publications that I've managed so far in my career with the benefit of being, y'know, alive....) Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 23:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:MathCOTM ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.112 ( talk) 05:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Should be in Talk:Philosophy of mathematics, not here |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Philosophy of mathematics Recurrent themes include: • What are the sources of mathematical subject matter? X experience and experiment • What is the ontological status of mathematical entities? X Abstract concepts • What does it mean to refer to a mathematical object? X Abstract concepts objects • What is the character of a mathematical proposition? X Reforming one to others • What is the relation between logic and mathematics? X One of systematical reforming one to others. • What is the role of hermeneutics in mathematics? X Making sense of math for human • What kinds of inquiry play a role in mathematics? X One of input info of math • What are the objectives of mathematical inquiry? X more information for math • What gives mathematics its hold on experience? X Theorize exp for systematizing • What are the human traits behind mathematics? X extremely objecting objects • What is mathematical beauty? X equally objecting of objects • What is the source and nature of mathematical truth? (equally objecting-source)-(abstract concept truth-nature) • What is the relationship between the abstract world of mathematics and the material universe? X the world of mathematics abstract measurably the infinity of the material universe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuong19861986 ( talk • contribs) 08:20, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rational trigonometry may need input from here. -- 101.119.15.209 ( talk) 11:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
The recurrent debate about the balance between accessibility for the layman, accurateness and level of technicality has started at Talk:Derivative#Definition of the derivative about a concrete edit. I'll reinstall the reverted new section "Definition and terminology" [1] only if there is a consensus. D.Lazard ( talk) 18:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
The article titled Ortsbogen theorem is on a topic that seems worth having an article about. It's been prodded for lack of evidence that anybody knows it by that particular name. And apparently it's not known by that name in English. Someone used a German word apparently because that's what they knew.
I appears that there may be no standard name for this theorem in English. So we have the challenge of deciding what to call the article.
I think maybe "Ortsbogen" could be translated as "local arc", but I'm not sure that terminology makes any sense. Michael Hardy ( talk) 00:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I think the usual translation of "Ort" (literally place, location) in this context would be the (geometric) Locus (mathematics). A more common (and more general) term in German is "Ortskurve" (geometric locus), where "Kurve" stands for a planar/plane curve and "Bogen" (="arc") is simply a special type of curve. As far as notability is concerned, having an article on an (unnamed?) theorem of Euclid's Elements might be ok, but we certainly need a more appropriate English name rather than this German term (in doubt simply use Euclid's enumeration scheme for theorems/propositions as a name).-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 07:38, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
French Wikipedia has an article titled Arc capable. The concept is defined as the set of points M in the plane such that the angle AMB is equal to a specified constant, where A and B are specified points. This seems to be exactly synonymous with the German word Ortsbogen. A google search on any of the following seems to show that the term is in frequent use in German-speaking secondary schools:
So French an German have a term for the arc defined that way and English apparently has none. Michael Hardy ( talk) 19:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
There seem to be two or three separate geometric propositions here:
The illustrations in the first and second articles listed above may be worth using here. The first and third seem to be on exactly the same concept that the word Ortsbogen refers to. Michael Hardy ( talk) 19:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The page generic (mathematics) currently redirects to general position. The only page that uses the generic link directly is forcing (mathematics), where it refers to something in model theory, not the algebraic geometric notion of general position. I'm not quite sure what the correct fix is. -- Walt Pohl ( talk) 17:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
. . . and now I've changed it to a disambiguation page. Michael Hardy ( talk) 00:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
There are some serious deficiencies which several users have identified in the Stephen Hawking article which was promoted to FA status earlier this year after an FAC that wasn't rigorous. Please feel free to comment and contribute to the debate at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Stephen Hawking/archive1 on whether this article should be delisted and what work needs to be done.-- ColonelHenry ( talk) 17:06, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
This page had an extremely complicated list of mathematical constants in addition to another, older table. I split the table off into list of mathematical constants, but this has overlap with list of numbers. Any suggestions? Brirush ( talk) 02:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Currently, the László Fejes Tóth article is supported only by the science and academia biography work group, which marked it as Low-importance. I note very few, if any at that working group, who write on mathematics or mathematicians. The article supports the claim that, together with H.S.M. Coxeter and Paul Erdős, he laid the foundations of discrete geometry. Therefore, I nominate the article as one worthy of inclusion in your project. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 15:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. User:HopsonRoad 23:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
While the subtraction and addition articles have managed to use clear and simple English to introduce their subjects, the same cannot be said for multiplication. Multiplication is defined in terms of "scaling." Who is there that knows what scaling is (there is no link or explanation) -- especially in this context -- but does nto know what multiplication is? My request for clarification on the multiplication talk page has brought no response. So I have come here to ask for help. Kdammers ( talk) 13:22, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I've just added this illustration to the article titled Inscribed angle. I found the picture on this French Wikipedia page.
The article could use some work, including making it explicit that we may want to consider two or three theorems of Euclidean geometry, one of which I stated in the caption. I will probably be back to work on it unless someone first brings it to condition that I cannot improve. Michael Hardy ( talk) 18:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
User:YohanN7 has made good contributions to the Representation theory of the Lorentz group article. One thing which may interest mathematicians here is something called "the main theorem of compactness" as described in the link to the section on the talk page.
Does anyone know if we have an article (even just a stub) relevant to the representation theory of the Lorentz group? If not would anyone like to create it? (I can't). M∧Ŝ c2ħε Иτlk 13:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello all. I'm working on an update for Module:Math at the moment, and I have a question about the greatest common divisor function when passed zero and negative numbers. If you know about that kind of thing, I'd be grateful if you could comment over at Module talk:Math#Testcases. Thanks. :) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:45, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I am trying to gauge support for a possible move of Cantor–Bernstein–Schroeder theorem to Schröder–Bernstein theorem (or some close variant). Please comment at talk:Cantor–Bernstein–Schroeder theorem#Article name. -- Trovatore ( talk) 08:45, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Is the article titled List of quadratic irrational numbers set in a systematic order worth having? Michael Hardy ( talk) 17:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Any opinions of the article titled Scheffé’s lemma? Its deletion has been proposed. Michael Hardy ( talk) 06:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion involving only two editors about the content of the lead of algebra. Although both editors have attempted to explain their position, this discussion turns out into a starting edit war, because of the absence of third party opinion. As this vital article is one of the 500 most frequently viewed articles, third party arbitration would be welcome. D.Lazard ( talk) 17:04, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Greetings! Math-related disambiguation pages with large numbers of incoming links for the December 2013 disambiguation contest are listed below. Any help with fixing the links to these pages is appreciated. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:02, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Adding two more:
Cheers! bd2412 T 17:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Isn't "noetherian" effectively synonymous with "ascending chain conditions" (albeit much shorter and cooler)? Perhaps "noetherian scheme" is an exception, but it basically a generalization of "noetherian ring" so maybe we should merge it to ascending chain condition? -- Taku ( talk) 13:11, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Here is another one that will definitely require expert attention: # Conway polynomial: 13 links. Thanks! bd2412 T 16:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Found another one: Boundedness: 14 links. bd2412 T 04:30, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
The article on Bell's Theorem (belonging to subfields: mathematical physics, quantum information, ...) has been an enormous mess for a long time. I just started doing some cleaning up but a major rewrite is needed. Maybe it is a good time to do this? The usual controversies are somewhat abated at the moment. It needs a concerted effort by a lot of reasonably well-informed people, who are not in the first place motivated by a particular (minority?) point of view on the topic. Richard Gill ( talk) 11:44, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Loewy decomposition needs copy-editing and probably other work. In particular, currently only one other article links to it: Alfred Loewy. I'll add it to the list of differential equations topics if that exists. Michael Hardy ( talk) 21:30, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
This question actually arises from Wiktionary, where we have found various references to the term "
powerstructure" in mathematics (as in "Powerstructure Theorem" or "Powerstructure Axiom"), for example
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7],
[8]. It occurred to me that this might also merit encyclopedic mention. Cheers!
bd2412
T 15:21, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Should the List of Fourier analysis topics get organized into sections? Michael Hardy ( talk) 21:29, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
You may be interested in helping out WP:AFC by taking a look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Transient convection diffusion equation. It seemed vaguely ok to me at first glance, but I don't know enough to gauge the article or its similarity to Convection diffusion equation. Thank you! -- TKK! bark with me! 07:23, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
You might want to contribute to the discussion. Don't forget to mention Karl Weierstrass. Uncle G ( talk) 14:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I could use some help with the current FA nomination of the article on Josiah Willard Gibbs. Please take a look and comment as you see fit. Also, some time ago I mentioned here that I think Gibbs should be re-assessed as of Top importance in both chemistry (he's the father of physical chemistry) and physics (he's one of the three founders of statistical mechanics), and of high importance in math (he created vector calculus and pioneered convex analysis). I got no response back then, but I see no harm in bringing this up again. - Eb.hoop ( talk) 20:12, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm new page patrolling and I'd appreciate someone with math knowledge having a review of Uzawa iteration. Thanks, Ego White Tray ( talk) 23:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a move request in progress for the article above, at Talk:Monoid ring. If editors in this project are interested, please go there and contribute to the discussion. Thanks — Amakuru ( talk) 01:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
There has been some vs. activity on Mathematical constant, but it seems mild. Brirush ( talk) 14:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Should some of the material at Multidimensional Transform get merged into one of the Fourier analysis articles? Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm sketching out what would be required for a bibliography of Paul Erdős. The sources I have use mr and zbl numbers, but many (most) of his publications also have a DOI number. I assume the first two are more useful to this community. Should I plan on including the DOI as well? (I understand that {{cite doi|}} fills in much of the information, but based on my tests I'm not seeing it picking up mr and zbl. {{cite zbl|}} would be handy, but it doesn't exist.) Thanks! Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 02:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
David Eppstein, RockMagnetist: thanks to you both for your helpful comments. Once I get the first hundred or so entries in shape I might post a request for review here. (It's a little humbling to realize Erdős has more posthumous publications that I've managed so far in my career with the benefit of being, y'know, alive....) Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 23:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:MathCOTM ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.112 ( talk) 05:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC)