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I am looking to research information about Jews in North Omaha, Nebraska at the turn of the century. Working online I have not been able to find any information on synagogues in the area, although there are indications of at least one that was previously located there. I emailed the Jewish Federation of Omaha for information months ago and did not receive a response. The most information I have collected is to identify the location of Jewish cemeteries in the area, and to write a stub about one of them, the Golden Hill Jewish Cemetery. Any advice about where to look for information would be greatly appreciated. – Freechild ( BoomCha) 04:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Judaism#Tanach_-_Hebrew_Bible. -- Shuki 07:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I am going to redo the template and set up the categories to allow for assessment of quality and importance, similar to
Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history and
WP:Israel. I hope nothing breaks
--
Avi
14:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
As some of you might now, the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team is in the process of selecting articles for the next "release edition", which will include all the articles already selected and new nominees, to reach a total of around 3,000 articles. Many/most of the religion projects, including this one, seem to me at least to be underrepresented. I notice Moses hasn't been nominated for a release version yet, for instance. If you want, list below the articles which you believe should be considered for inclusion and I'll formally nominate those articles you and other projects think should be included. Generally, we would only be looking for articles "B" class or higher unless they are of extraordinary importance. In those cases, of course, the article can be of any quality. John Carter 14:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
People like Nevi'im, Rishonim, etc. are they part of WP:JEW, WP:JH, or both? -- Avi 17:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, they should get appropriate categories for both, but sometimes there are better, more specific categories. For example, Rishonim are in Category:Medieval rabbis, which is a subcategory of Category:Rabbis and Category:Jewish history. -- Eliyak T· C 18:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to have a template with links to various religious leaders in Judaism. I'm making a start at {{ Jewish leaders}}. Please help out, as I'm sure my choices are going to be a bit biased. -- Eliyak T· C 19:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
It will clutter the pages and is confusing. What are the criteria? Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not "Jews" the way we talk of it today. Otherwise, does that make all their kids, including Esau and Yishmael "Jewish"? What about Jesus, he was Jewish right? This is a nightamre! How about the disputes among Jewish denominations? The Orthodox do not regard much of Reform Jews as "Jewish" and the Reform and Conservative view the Orthodox as not true Judaism either. This template was a big mistake and should be deleted. IZAK 11:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 29#Template:Jewish leaders. Thank you, IZAK 13:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
{{ Jew list}} has been deleted, for those who aren't aware, which, I'm assuming is pretty much everyone, since nobody in WP:JEW participated in the discussion. The template was deleted without even the faintest glimmer of agreement that something should urgently be done to form a consensus for inclusion on the various lists of Jews. So, the downside of everyone's apathy is that these lists are once again open to becoming the playground of antisemites and other fans of listcruft. The upside is...oh yeah, there is no upside. Way to make yourself useful, WikiProject Judaism. Sheesh. Just because it's the Three Weeks is no reason for editors to bring stupidity into WP through wanton apathy. Disgusted in the extreme, Tom e r talk 07:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Tom e r talk -- Thank you for using the word "antisemites." There are a lot around here, aren't there? I have been castigated for using that word on Wikipedia, as if that phenomenon did not exist around here.
I've argued long and hard to retain a set of criteria to restrict lists of converts to religions to actual converts, not to bogus contrivances. I had my account blocked for my efforts in that regard. While my account was blocked some of the same folks who contributed to getting me blocked, and keeping me blocked, initiated the deletion process for the Template WP:JEW. For those of you who don't know, this is what it used to say:
That tag hung on the List of notable converts to Judaism. It was deleted for one reason: The List of notable converts to Christianity did not want to abide by similarly restrictive criteria. The List of notable converts to Christianity had, and still does have, the overriding concern to put Bob Dylan on that list despite the fact that he is not a Christian, and despite the fact that there is not a scintilla of a source that he ever converted to Christianity. These are the facts. I am not allowed to edit that article. But my inability to edit the article does not alter the facts one iota. The best source the editors at that article have for conversion to Christianity for Bob Dylan is the opinion of a biographer. As far as the details of a conversion process for Bob Dylan are concerned they are entirely nonexistent. No date for conversion has been uncovered. No place of conversion is known. No witness to any such conversion process for Bob Dylan is known. But Bob Dylan is the reason the Template WP:JEW was deleted. That template was intolerable to the editors at List of notable converts to Christianity, who had one concern far and away above any other -- to keep Bob Dylan on that list of converts to Christianity. They even went so far as to renaming the list in oder to try to justify Bob Dylan's presence on that list. The renaming was utterly irrelevant to the other 200 names on that list, because the other 200 names on that list are either living people who are presently Christians or are deceased people who were Christian at time of death.
Yes, I certainly am in favor of resurrecting the above Template WP:JEW. I see no benefit to be gained from flabby parameters. I don't think the Jewish articles should have to adopt the meandering parameters apparently favored by the Christian articles. In fact I think the Christian articles and lists should be trying to abide by the higher standards exemplified by the template above that used to hang on the Jewish articles. As a first step I think the Template WP:JEW should be re-instituted. It represents the higher standards that similar groupings of articles should aspire to. The deleteing of it does nothing but open the door for tons of point of view pushing, and yes, antisemitism. Bus stop 13:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
The objections to the template was the it was expressed in a box form instead of regular prose at the beginning of the list. You can just recreated it in that form and also, if you like, a <!--style comment not to add marginal and questionable Jew without talking about it first. There is no reason to even bring it to deletion review, as the template would not have the same problems as the previous one. Jon513 20:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here -- this needs more input from editors who actually work in this area. Badagnani 16:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
There is what I perceive to be a somewhat troubling discussion taking place on the Jews for Jesus Talk page [1] that requires imput from editors with a Jewish perspective. It seems that an editor there is trying to develop an argument whereby a number of well known Jewish figures should no longer be called Jewish on Wikipedia (!) Sadly, his misguided arguments are garnering some support. Can a few more Jews weigh in on this? It is the last section on the page. MegaMom 01:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up for your project that I have removed the various Jewish occupation categories such as Category:Jewish writers and Category:Jewish actors from the subcategories of Category:People by nationality and occupation. The reason is that within the context of these categories the word "Jewish" is referring to the person's religion or ethnicity and not to their nationality. Jackie Mason, for example, is a Jewish comedian, and in this context the word "Jewish" refers to his religion and ethnicity. But his nationality is American, not Jewish. As another contrast example, Category:Israeli writers is a valid subcategory of Category:Writers by nationality since the word "Israeli" indicates they reside in or are significantly from the nation of Israel. However Category:Jewish writers includes people whose religion or ethnicity is Jewish, but whose nationality is something else.
Anyway, long story short, the subcategories of Category:Jews by occupation belong as subcategories of Category:People by religion and occupation but not as subcategories of Category:People by nationality and occupation. While it's true that in some contexts the word Jewish can refer to a person's nationality, that's not the case here.
Just giving the heads up to explain the changes and to help keep the categorization scheme consistent. Thanks, and please feel free to post or send me questions or comments. Dugwiki 16:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up Ok, I've proposed a merger of the apparently overlapping Category:People by ethnic or national descent and Category:People by ethnic or national origin schemes at cfd. They seem to be virtually duplicate schemes with slightly different names. I'll have to now wait until the results of that cfd are enacted before I can proceed on introducing "People of Jewish descent by occupation" to the resulting merger. Along with that I'd also take a look at moving some of the other category schemes Eliyak mentioned above. But for now I have to hold off on additional changes until I know what the final name of the parent categories will be. Dugwiki 15:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Moving the discussion to a different project page Since this topic will probably result in moving around multiple ethnic occupational categories, I created a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#Occupations by ethnic or national descent. While the above mentioned merger proposal works its way through the system, I'm looking for feedback at WP:Ethnic groups on titles for a new category scheme for "Occupations by ethnicity". This would house not only Jewish occupational categories but other similar categories like some of the ones Eliyak mentioned above.
I recommend putting any further replies on this particular occupation-by-ethnicity topic on the other project's talk page so that all comments can be kept in the same place. Obviously comments about the Jewish occupations categories will most likely apply to other categories under the Ethnic groups project, so best to keep that discussion on one talk page. Dugwiki 15:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
An editor seems to think Prayer is biased. Everyone's opinion requested on Talk:Prayer, also whether a {{ POV}} tag is a way to start a discussion. JFW | T@lk 20:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I have recently created a page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Articles where the various articles relevant to this project can be listed so that the members of the project can check on recent changes to them using the "recent changes" function. I have also created another page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Recognized content where the various articles which have received some form of recognition can be listed. I will be adding articles to both of these pages as time goes on. However, I am also doing similar work for several other projects, and am currently going effectively one category at a time per project in alteration. I can't myself guarantee that all the articles which have been included in the Articles page on the basis of being in the parent Category:Judaism really belong there, though, so I would welcome review from any interested parties regarding whether those articles in fact belong in the parent category, or within the scope of this project. Thanks for your attention. John Carter 15:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Unclean animals#"Unclean" where I contend that the extensive use of the term "unclean" in the context of kashrut is inappropriate.-- DLand <;;;;;;;sup>TALK 21:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I have rewritten the article Yibbum and would appreciate someone to proof read it, as I tend to make some grammatical errors. Jon513 21:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
which wikiproject should synagogues be classified under wikiproject judaism, wikiproject jewish history or both-- Java7837 04:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Moses so as too get Moses into a featured article -- Java7837 22:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
There has recently been some discussion regarding which "stories" or portions of the Bible merit having their own articles. For the purposes of centralized discussion, please make any comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bible#What should have separate articles?. Thank you. John Carter 13:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Greetings from Wikiproject Mythology. Based on a talk page discussion, we decided to restore an article called Jewish mythology that had been redirected to Aggadah. I don't know if someone on this project redirected it, but I thought I should let you guys know what's going on.
I admit that I'm no expert on Judaism. However, based solely on what I could gather from the Aggadah article, the Aggadah doesn't seem correspond to the label "Jewish mythology". According to the mythology article, "myths" (in the broadest academic sense) are simply the sacred and traditional stories of any culture. Thus, "Jewish mythology" should presumably include Biblical stories.
As it stands, the Jewish mythology article isn't great. When it speaks of "Jewish mythology", it seems to mean "Jewish superstitions". I'm thinking of re-writing the article on the model of the Christian mythology and Islamic mythology articles, making it a survey of traditional Jewish stories in general, Biblical or otherwise.
However, again, I'm not a Judaism expert. I understand that traditional Jewish stories come not only from the Bible but also from many sources that are quite foreign to me. I may start working on the article soon, but help from people who know more about Judaism would be appreciated. -- Phatius McBluff 02:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I am merely repeating arguments that have been advanced in the past. From your use of the word "censored" I take the cue that I should probably wait for others to offer a more rational rejoinder. But please demonstrate that the academic field of "Jewish mythology" exists. JFW | T@lk 21:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I really don't take sides in matters like this. Malik said something that was questionably correct, and I pointed it out. Also, I hadn't known that mythologists and folklorists had such disagreement over what to call 'myths'...I'll have to look into that. CaveatLector Talk 16:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't mean to start any trouble. I'm not an expert in these things, just somebody who has read the Bible and portions of the Talmud and other Aggadah. As I understand the terms " mythology" ("stories that a particular culture believes to be true and that use the supernatural to interpret natural events and to explain the nature of the universe and humanity") and " legends" ("a narrative of human actions that are perceived both by teller and listeners to take place within human history and to possess certain qualities that give the tale verisimilitude"), I think that:
There may not be any bright lines. Many of the important figures in the Bible are the subjects of bothe "myths" and "legends", and the same is true of many of the later rabbis who figure in the Aggadah. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 22:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that discussion might fruitfully be divided into three categories:
1. Narratives that traditional Judaism regards as myths, such as some of the stories of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba or the story of the Golem of Prague 2. Narratives involving a dispute within traditional Judaism, regarded as allegorical by some and literal by others (narratives that for example Maimonides' Guide for the Perplexed regard as allegorical) 3. Core beliefs of traditional Judaism that believers regard as true, such as the exodus from Egypt and the revelation at Mount Sinai.
An article on the first category would brook no controversy. For an article including the second and especially the third categories, I suggest very careful attention to WP:NPOV and WP:A, with use of "according to..." or similar language to indicate who regards these narratives as myths and who does not. -- Shirahadasha 22:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There has been a push in the last week or so (largely by User:Java7837, User:Eliyak, and myself), to tag appropriate articles for this project, and rate them. (You can see our progress if you'd like). In many respects it is slow tedious work, which is why I was thinking of getting a bot to help with the tagging part (a bot obviously couldn't do the rating part). Unless someone knows of a reason why this is a bad idea, I was thinking of making a request at WP:BOT for a bot to tag all article in Category:Jewish law and rituals and all its subcategories (which include rabbis, synagogue, Hebrew Calendar, and others) for this wikiproject. Obviously we'd have to go through afterwards and rate all of the articles on the importance and article rating scale, but it would make at least part of our job easier. Are there any objections? -- Bachrach44 13:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion if the front of the article is tagged with Template:Stub or some other stub template on its front page and is tagged with WikiProject Judaism in its talk page it should automatically be rated for stub class for wikiproject judaism-- Java7837 20:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Also have it add articles to WikiProject Judaism if they use a jewish related stub and also rate for their class as stub-- Java7837 20:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I think my suggestions would greatly speed up the process-- Java7837 20:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
One more suggestion for article tagged for WP Judaism in their talk pages if their respective article pages are not tagged with a stub template it should inherit the class from any other wikiprojects if there is a class dispute then it shall be not be rated for class-- Java7837 20:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I found a seemingly dormant thread on Template talk:Jewish holidays#New Israeli holidays as religious holidays (dead for 3 years, anyway) in which a decision was unilaterally made to split Jewish Holidays and Israeli Holidays from a previously united template in which the holidays were split by section on the same template. There have been multiple discussions in the past, one of which appears in this very same thread, regarding a compromise on the status of Israeli holidays. The decision in the past has been to have a single template on which Jewish Holdays would be categorized in a different section than Israeli holidays. Without any other input, and probably because nobody else commented, Yehoishophot Oliver split the template into two separate ones. I have thusfar not received a response from him on his [[ talk page from a week ago, but I have noticed that his edits have skewed solidly Anti-Zionist so I feel a real POV is going into the split. I am admittedly a Conservative Jew, whose movement is Zionist and therefore considers the Israeli holidays to be on par with Jewish holidays. However it is impossible to weigh in on this and not have a POV. Since we have decided in the past to compromise, I would like to see people weigh in on this to decide the future of the templates, whether to unite, split into sections, or into seperate templates. I have kept it as Yehoishophot Oliver for the time being, though the results of past discussion on this topic is to have a single template with split sections. Valley2 city 00:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
(shown on Jewish and Israeli holiday pages as listed below)
Israeli holidays (shown on the five Israeli holidays listed below)
Valley2 city 18:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC).
Can I join if i study Judaism and dig in Israel, but am not Jewish? IsraelXKV8R 02:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
can anyone explain to me why we have a member list at all? If you want to be involved in the project watch this page and get involved, why do we need "members"? Jon513 16:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
There has been a dispute going on between editors (mainly 2) regarding the content and article naming of
If anyone from here feel like having a look at the situation it would be much appreciated. Pax:Vobiscum 09:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I just got done copyeditting an article with some very nuanced aspects of halakha in it. I decided that the nuances were completely outside the article's scope, so I removed them. But I felt that the inclusion of seeming psak on specific cases in halakha should be tagged as non-authoritative, so I created Template:Halakha. Just wanted to let everyone know it exists. -- Eliyak T· C 06:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
There are two acharonim categories Category:Later Acharonim and Category:Early Acharonim with the stated distintion of
two questions: who made up the year 1750? There is no distinction with "early" and "later" Acharonim like there is between other periods in Jewish Law (a later rabbi cannot argue with a rabbi from an early period). Current rabbis are still "acharonim" no different than ones that lived 500 years ago. Also does Category:Later Acharonim apply to living rabbis? Dland seems to think it does not [2]. Jon513 14:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jon513: The piece of information that you are missing here is that at some point a few years ago we had some pro-Conservative Judaism editors who insisted that their rabbis are also "achronim" thus a compromise was reached not to call any rabbis of the mdoern era as "achronim" to avoid conflict. IZAK 11:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Judaism would love to take you up on your very generous offer. If I give you Category:Judaism will the bot recursively do everything in that category too or do I need to enumerate each category? -- Bachrach44 22:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
What's the best way to deal with Category:Jewish Roman Catholics: should it be renamed into something like "Catholics of Jewish ancestry" or be put for removal? ← Humus sapiens ну ? 02:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 29#Category:Jewish Roman Catholics. Thank you, IZAK 12:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Per the prior conversation, we're going to get a bot to tag article for this WikiProject. What we need now is a list of cats to run through. I've made a list by digging through Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Categories and getting everything that looked appropriate. After removing the duplicates I'm left with 621 categories, although that's probably too high because I was just cutting and pasting everything. Please take a look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Categories and make adjustments as you see fit. I've probably been over-inclusive, so if you see categories which may contain a lot of articles not really relevant to Judaism, please remove them from the list. -- Bachrach44 17:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
After de-listing 26 (number) from this WikiProject, I realized that de-listing similar articles such as 42 (number) might start a fight. My argument is that Judaism/Kabbalah is not the primary concern of these articles, but rather a trivial element within them. A statement such as "God's name Jehovah has a Gematria of 26" belongs more in an article about God's name, where such information can be centralized. Shalom Hello 02:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Can we get a collaboration going to write an article to refute Messianic Judaism and groups like Jews for Jesus. I find the Wikipedia articles on them disturbing and I feel we need an article of our own to put the Jewish point of view.
Tovojolo 13:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
We've uploaded nearly all of our encyclopedia topics, a list of which is available here. Most are under Judaism category "The Holocaust"-- USHMMwestheim 04:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Ebionites has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Avi 18:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up that Andrew Saul (ex-CEO of Cache and Brooks Bros.) has been nominated for featured article status here. Any input, comment and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to comment and/or improve the article. Thanks! Mrprada911 21:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Saul is probably Jewish, but that is not quite relevant for this WikiProject, which is about the religion rather than people who happen to be Jewish. JFW | T@lk 20:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone pls assess Sandy Koufax? Tx.-- Epeefleche 08:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I think I just got a request to continue with the bot tagging? What options did you want me to run with? Meaning:
Thanks! Please reply on the bot's talk page. -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 05:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
correct
no
Thanks!
yes
-- Java7837 22:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Methinks both Qumran and Dead Sea Scrolls could use some supervision from this group. I am still working on the content for these pages - a little bit here and there - as my dissertation addresses both Qumran and the DSS. But I'd love some wikification, as well as some watchlist adds, just to keep an eye on those pages. You'll see what I mean. Thanx! IsraelXKV8R 06:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
This should be brought to the attention of all concerned here: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-08-09 Chabad. Thank you. IZAK 11:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Moses in hellenistic literature is up for deletion even though it is doesn't violate pov and quotes many important texts such as josephus flavius philo Eusebius (3 great historians) and quotes from Assumption of Moses a hellenistic text-- Java7837 13:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how prevalent this is, but SatyrBot tagged a few talk pages with the WikiProject Judaism template, where the articles that have very little to do with Judaism:
Looking at it now, I think it has to do with the membership of both in Category:Antisemitism. I'd ask that some WikiProject members who know more about Jewish culture than I do look through the Antisemitism category, and remove the template from articles whose subjects have little to do with Judaism other than hating Jewish people. Surely there are some anti-semites who should be under the scope of WikiProject Judaism, but they all shouldn't be - otherwise, both these articles would be under WikiProject Catholicism because they both have/had negative views of the Catholic Church. It might also be worth checking SatyrBot's contributions to see if there are any articles you think have a similar problem. Ral315 » 03:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
We plan on checking the articles added, i examined many of the articles added and noticed Book of Revelation but no other odd balls, we plan on rating the articles based off of importance and in doing so will remove articles from WikiProject Judaism that do not relate to the project-- Java7837 13:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
It is important that we look at the articles added i found book of revelation added because it was part of category:Abrahamic prophecy also Ral315 noted Chick Publications (a fundamentalist christian publisher) was added and Martin Luther i looked at many of the articles by the bot and do not know of any further problems but i recommend we look which articles are part of Category:Antisemitism and see if the article can actually be worked on by the group for example several of the church fathers hated jews such as calling us the children of cain this doesn't mean we should add them to WP:JEW but if we are talking about say Adolph Hitler a religious catholic gone extremist or Haman an extremist then yes add it to WP:JEW-- Java7837 13:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I am looking at the articles in Category:Antisemitism and found out Judas Iscariot, and Nation of Islam (very antisemitic group but fear of misunderstanding by people looking at its talkpage)
Now Judas Iscariot no doubt was name given to the character because the name literally means Judah and the Jews were blamed for the death of Jesus and calling him Iscariot no doubt was an attempt to show hatred of the sicarii a anti-roman group because they did not pay allegiance to rome as christian theology teaches to do--
Java7837
13:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Also because of the fictional character of Judas Iscariot many jews have died yet it may confuse people into thinking as one muslim told me that Judas Iscariot was the last prophet of Judaism lol-- Java7837 13:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I finished looking through the articles in Category:Antisemitism and did not see any other strange articles-- Java7837 13:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I know and thank you very much for doing this for wikiproject judaism it is greatly appreciated-- 129.115.102.13 15:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
It because we suggested that Category:Cities in Samaria be part of WikiProject Judaism -- Java7837 21:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Why is the bot tagging Israeli cities, villages, songs, settlements, newspapers and rivers among other things? -- Shuki 21:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hamas is part of WP:J? I think someone gave satyrbot a too-broad list, and it's going overboard. Where is this "list" and who was responsible for it? --
Avi
12:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I actually was making a list of categories that needed to be removed from the wikiproject and or moved to other projects
Category:Archangels (I removed all irrelevant articles from the project manually and moved some if possible to more appropiate projects)
Category:Classes of angel (I removed all irrelevant articles from the project manually and moved some if possible to more appropiate projects)
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Category:Non-traditional Kabbalah(I removed all irrelevant articles from the project and moved articles to more appropriate projects if possible)
Category:Kabbalah(I removed all irrelevant articles from the project and moved articles to more appropriate projects if possible)
Category:Kabbalists(actually these articles i added to wikiproject judaism because the articles in the category are rabbis who did works on other forms of jewish study than kabbalah such as ethics, philosophy, and commentaries on non-kabbalistic texts)
Category:Six-Day War Category:Religious Kibbutz Movement Category:Roman sites in Israel Category:Ancient Greek sites in Israel Category:Cities in Judea Category:Cities in Samaria Category:Ancient Israel and Judah Category:Battles involving the Canaanites Category:Judea and Samaria Area Category:Battles of the Maccabean revolt Category:Hasmoneans Category:Roman governors of Judaea
Category:Yiddish
Category:Yiddish-language film directors
Category:Yiddish-language occupations
Category:Yiddish-language poets
Category:Yiddish-language writers
Category:Yiddish literature
Category:Yiddish periodicals
Category:Yiddish singers
Category:Yiddish songs
Category:Yiddish theatre
Category:Yiddish theatre performers
Category:Yiddish words and phrases <- this one i want to do manually
Category:Jewish comedy
Category:Jewish culture
Category:Jewish magazines
Category:Jewish media
Category:Jewish media in Canada
Category:Jewish medical organizations
Category:Jewish music
Category:Judeo-Arabic languages
Category:Jewish film and theatre
Category:Jewish radio
Category:Jewish newspapers
Category:Judeo-Persian languages
Category:Judeo-Romance languages
Category:Jewish sports organizations
Category:Ladino language
Category:Linguists of Yiddish
Category:Hasidic entertainers
Category:Jewish clubs and societies
Category:Torah cities Category:Torah events Category:Torah monarchs Category:Torah people Category:Torah places Category:Essene texts Category:Dead Sea scrolls Category:Book of Enoch Category:Book of Daniel Category:Battles involving the Canaanites Category:Biblical women in ancient warfare Category:Deuterocanonical books Category:Geography of Hebrew Bible places Category:Hebrew Bible chapters Category:Hebrew Bible cities Category:Hebrew Bible cities and countries Category:Hebrew Bible countries Category:Hebrew Bible events Category:Hebrew Bible geography Category:Hebrew Bible manuscripts Category:Hebrew Bible mountains Category:Hebrew Bible nations Category:Hebrew Bible people Category:Hebrew Bible places Category:Hebrew Bible quotations Category:Hebrew Bible rivers Category:Hebrew Bible topics Category:Hebrew Bible valleys Category:Hebrew Bible verses Category:Samaritan culture and history Category:Samaritan texts Category:Judges of ancient Israel Category:Kings of ancient Israel Category:Kings of ancient Judah Category:Kings of Edom Category:Tanakh stubs Category:Testament of Solomon Category:Non-rabbinic Jewish texts Category:Old Testament Apocrypha Category:Old Testament Apocrypha people Category:Old Testament Apocrypha places
Category:Victims of the Inquisition Category:Works of Josephus Category:Herodian dynasty Category:Images of the Holocaust Category:Jewish Argentine history Category:Jewish Austrian history Category:Jewish Autonomous Oblast Category:Jewish Babylonian history Category:Jewish Dutch history Category:Ancient Jewish Egyptian history Category:Ancient Jewish Greek history Category:Ancient Jewish Persian history Category:Ancient Jewish Roman history Category:Dreyfus affair Category:Jewish English history Category:Holocaust museums Category:Jewish Messiah claimants Category:Jewish museums Category:Blood libel Category:Rothschild family Category:Jewish philanthropists Category:Jewish Ukrainian history Category:Jewish United States Supreme Court justices Category:Jewish Polish history Category:Jewish Portuguese history Category:Jewish Romanian history Category:Jewish-Roman wars Category:Jewish royalty Category:Jewish Russian and Soviet history Category:Jewish resistance during the Holocaust Category:Jewish South African history Category:Jewish Spanish history Category:Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda films Category:American Jews Category:Argentine Jewish organizations Category:Pogrom victims
Category:Antisemitic canards Category:Antisemitic forgeries Category:Antisemitic publications Category:Antisemitism Category:Anti-Judaism Category:Anti-Zionism
I am not exactly sure what you are saying the categories i listed should have WP:JEW replaced with the correponsding project that i suggested except for the categories for wikiproject religion and wikiproject kabbalah (some relate to judaism other than kabbalah for example kabbalistic sages often wrote works on ethics, philosophy, and/or commentaries on non-kabbalistic texts also the main article kabbalah should obviously be part of the project) i need to do those manually as some do relate to judaism.-- 69.153.67.219 16:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Could Project Judaism add the article on William Schniedewind to WP Judaism? He is an endowed, named chair at major university teaching Hebrew Bible. I could use a few more sets of eyes to help maintain the page from a user who regularly vandalizes tha page b/c of a RL dispute. Thanx. IsraelXKV8R 01:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed don't see the point-- 129.115.38.13 13:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone here have thoughts on whether Yuri Andropov should be labeled a Jew? Haukur 11:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
A healthy and prosperous new year, and a gmar tov to everyone. JFW | T@lk 21:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed that User:IZAK's last contribution was over a month ago? Has he left Wikipedia or has he taken an unannounced wikibreak? I also noticed that User:Shirahadasha's last edit was June 27. What's going on here?-- DLand TALK 18:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, ever heard of the word/s "travel," "vacation," "business" or "real life" and some people do not realize that in the United States and the Northern Hemisphere it's Summer and thus many people are away for all sorts of reasons (travel or family stuff) or have different jobs starting from June, through July and August, and even up to September (when the Yom Tov season requires our attention) -- anyhow, thanks for missing me!!! IZAK 11:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi and shanah tova to all, also back. "Real life" also called. I'll probably have to edit a little less frequently than I did before. Thanks for the warm compliments. -- Shirahadasha 01:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
For a good while, User:Rktect has been making significant modifications to various biblical articles — for example, compare his/her changes to Stations list here. S/he has been blocked four times, twice in the last three months, after long insertions of original research. Please compare the current version of Elim (Bible) with the way it was before Rktect began editing it in July. I'd appreciate it if some of you in this wikiproject would watch a bunch of these articles, lest this OR be restored. Nyttend 23:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Is Appetizing for real? I've never heard of this term. -- Eliyak T· C 03:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey y'all, there's a bit of a conflict at Magog (Bible) as to whether it should be merged into the main article Gog and Magog. It's intended to deal with the figure from Genesis, whereas Gog and Magog deals with the whole schmeer comprehensively. The way I see it, there's just not enough information there to justify it being seperate; virtually all of what's there is dealt with in a superior form at the main article. I'd appreciate some input!-- Cúchullain t/ c 16:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The jewish writer and rabbi Chajim Bloch (perhaps you can spell Chajim differently) is missing in the english WP, contrary to the German, see de:Chajim_Bloch. The German National Library (Frankfurt) holds 28 books written by and about him, and his books about the Golem and Hersh Ostropoler were sold as piracy-prints (correct word?) in Berlin in the 80s. Plehn 10:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
What is the youngest age that one can graduate from the Yeshiva and gain the rabbinical ordination in orthodox Judaism? -- Ghostexorcist 10:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see and join in at: talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach? -- Avi 15:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Would it be an idea to set up MiszaBot II to auto-archive sections once they haven't been added to for say a month, or six weeks? Jheald 09:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Would any of you be able to provide some input into this question? Thanks -- Arvind 13:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
68.195.69.225 ( talk · contribs) seems to believe that every Jewish holiday must have the word "ritual" in it, perferably in the introduction. I saw no value to his changes and reverted them. Certainly the sentence "Purim is a Jewish holiday" contains more information than "Purim is a Jewish ritual". Jon513 19:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Who makes decision what is a jewish topic or not?
Why Gog and Magog is a Wiki jewish for example?
Gog and magog mentioned in Revelation ( christians) Quran (islam) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.12.132 ( talk) 05:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The article Social justice currently has nothing on social justice in the Jewish tradition. I do not consider myself competent to edit on this topic myself. Thank you. -- 201.19.77.39 09:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:Shirahadasha:
I'm concerned about the arrangement of the Reform Judaism articles, mostly because it would make it hard for me to place material (yes cited material) in the right place. Much of the material in "Reform Judaism", IMHO really belongs in Progressive Judaism. I'd even go so far as to say that Reform Judaism should be merged with Progressive Judiasm and that Reform Judaism be turned into a redirect to Progressive Judaism. Depending on the amount of material specific to each country a sub-article (Progressive Judiasm in XXX) might be merited.
The problem is that "Reform" is just one of the terms used to describe the Jewish religious response to the Haskalah. Outside the US, communities call themselves liberal and progressive as well as reform. Jointly they have chosen the name "World Union of Progressive Judiasm" to refer to themselves. Individually, the choice of "Reform" over other synonyms has little meaning - it isn't possible to make assumptions about a particular stance based on choice of name.
Discussion about the above two paragraphs probably shouldn't be carried out on user pages. Please feel free to move the above paragraph to the appropriate page and leave a note on my user page where to look for the discussion. Yours, Egfrank 08:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm ( User:egfrank) more concerned about the arrangement of materials among the articles than the name used in articles. However, the choice of name also bears discussing. I've added some more details explaining why I feel that the "main" article should be Progressive Judaism and that the articles Liberal Judaism and Reform Judaism should either be simple redirects to that article or disambiguation pages.
Common name - in the USA Reform Judaism is the term in most common usage and perhaps its heavy usage suggests a largely USA or Canadian based editorship?. The advantage of using the term "progressive Judaism" is that it is internationally neutral. It may also be less confusing for international readers. In some countries, for example, the UK, terms like "liberal" and "reform" refer to particular associations of congregations ( Liberal Judaism and the Movement for Reform Judaism respectively). Despite organizational differences congregations associated with both organizations are members of the WUPJ and train their rabbis at common institutions. In other countries the terms reform,liberal,and progressive are used interchangably. Even in the USA and Canada where "reform judaism" is the more common term, the terms "liberal" and "progressive" Judaism are considered synonyms (see http://urj.org/worship/letuslearn/rj/).
Common institutions. There are several organizations that liberal/reform/progressive congregations and their members tend to belong to. For example, Arzenu - the international umbrella organization for progressive religious Zionist organizations and World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ), the international organization for progressive/liberal/reform/reconstructionist congregations and ParDes, an association for Jewish day schools.
Common intellectual roots. Although they may stress different thinkers, the movements have their intellectual roots in the 19th century German Reform movement (cf. articles on Abraham Geiger, Samuel Holdheim, Zacharias Frankel among others). A common set of core beliefs is evidenced by the WUPJ mission statement (see http://wupj.org/About/About.asp). It would be hard to discuss their differences apart from this common intellectual background. Egfrank 16:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Common rabbinical training programs. Rabbis for progressive congregations around the world train in common institutions: Leo Baeck College (UK), the Abraham Geiger College (Germany), and the Hebrew Union College (Israel, USA). Students from all three schools spend their first year studying together on the Jerusalem campus of Hebrew Union College. Egfrank 04:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi! As I understand it, Egfrank is also suggesting replacing Category:Reform Judaism by Category:Progressive Judaism. Best, -- Shirahadasha 17:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see the centralized discussion about this at Talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach? and add your views.
Until fairly recently, there was only one Baal teshuva article that was not well-defined about what its content matter should be, i.e. the conflict between defining the Halachik notion and whatever relates to teshuva and the status of baal teshuva as applied to every Jew, vs. how that label is applied to only a certain class of secular/assimilated Jews who become more religious. In order to clarify and clear up the long-standing confusion of content and purpose of the article it was shortened, and part of it were placed first into Orthodox Jewish outreach and now a new Baal teshuva movement article has been added into which material was placed dealing with the modern-day movement based on the frequent usage of that term was created focusing in the grassroots movement of Jews returning to Judaism. Another previous article helps to further clarify the over-lapping subject matter: Repentance in Judaism (which should logically hold all descriptions and explanations of teshuva and Baal teshuva) and the newer Orthodox Jewish outreach focuses exclusively on the efforts of Orthodox rabbis and organizations. A discussion is underway at Talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach?, but more input would be appreciated on these key set of articles. Thank you and Good Moed! IZAK 18:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The article B'nai Mitzvah does not clearly define the meaning of the term "B'nai Mitzvah". While I believe that it is implied in the text of the article, I'm not positive that my guess is right. Let's add a clear definition of the term for those who need it. Thanks. -- 201.19.77.39 15:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
" B'nai Mitzvah" is not the best title, and is an attempt to combine bar mitzvah and bat mitzvah into a single term. "Bnai mitzvah" itself is not a commonly used term. "Bar mitzvah" and "bat mitzvah" are both defined in the intro. -- Eliyak T· C 18:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! There is a proposal in Reform Judaism to remove the section on criticism of Reform Judaism, now relabeled relationship with other movements. I am bringing the matter to the attention of the WikiProject because I believe WP:NPOV requires all notable points of view and although it's normal for articles on a religious denomination to be largely edited by members of that denomination, nonetheless WP:NPOV has to be complied with. Best, -- Shirahadasha 13:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I've restored the section and labeled it Reform Judaism#Orthodox criticism. -- Shirahadasha 14:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It's been suggested to me that I try to build consensus on this matter before I go about making changes. Anyway, it's been rubbing me the wrong way that Wikipedia, which is supposed to contain scholarly articles, has many articles which use "Hashem" when directly quoting sources where an actual name of God is used. I think this in particular makes the articles inaccessible to non-Jews, who might not understand Orthodox interpretations of the 3rd Commandment.
I think we need some standard for what name of God should be used in what types of articles. My personal view is that direct quotations from the TaNaKH should use the relevant name (usually YHWH), quotations from prayer should use "Adonai" since that's what would be said in the actual prayer, and quotations of common expressions (e.g. ";baruch Hashem", "kiddush Hashem") should continue to use "Hashem". And in any case, the first use of any given Hebrew name of God in an article should be linked so a non-Jewish user has a prayer (no pun intended) of sorting them all out.
Anyway, the short of this all is that I'd really like to make Judaism-related articles more accessible to non-Jews, and I think having a scholarly standard for uses of names of God is one thing that could help. BeIsKr 00:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I have frequently seen "Yahweh" used to signify "the God of the Jews" in Bible articles. I think this is just silly, especially since any transliteration vocalization of YHWH would be either
OR or
POV. YHWH is not so great either, since, as JFW points out, this also leaves many readers scratching their heads. I think the best option is to use either "God," "the Lord" or occasionally "the God of the Jews" with a wiki-link to
Tetragrammaton, unless the name is relevant to the context, such as in Biblical criticism articles/sections. (
Tetragrammaton is currently a redirect to
Yahweh on an ostensibly temporary basis.) --
Eliyak
T·
C
22:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
"Hashem" should not be used on Wikipedia (excluding cases like Kiddush Hashem where it is intrinsic to the idea.) Over the years it has been "God" which is perfectly legitimate. My own policy in this regard in articles relating to Jews and Judaism, is that when the word "God" is used, I create an internal link to the Names of God in Judaism. Thus "God" in a Judaism article does not link to [[God]] alone but to Names of God in Judaism by using [[Names of God in Judaism|God]]. This should be of help to any person not familiar with Judaism's notions about God to help them get a better perspective, and it does not "limit" God as far as Judaism is concerned. Neither "Hashem" nor "Jehova/Yaweh" nor "YHWH" nor "Adonai" nor "Tetragrammaton" should not be used in articles (as these only add to the confusion, and they are basically not suitable for an encyclopedia like Wikipidia that is striving to sound neutral and not like another version of the Catholic Encyclopedia!) Thus I essentially agree with JFW and with User:Shirahadasha. IZAK 06:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a good idea for someone to do a quick review of scholarly books on bible, prayer, machshevet yisrael (Jewish philosophy) etc to determine the standard usage? I would imagine it varies greatly and probably depends on the choice of a name for God used in the source text. I know articles in biblical scholarship either use God or the exact name used in the text being studied. This is essential to discourse since a dominant theory in biblical criticism understands the different choices for the name of God to reflect different editoral voices. Midrash also sometimes plays on the particular choice in the name of God in biblical text. Commentators on Medieval piyuttim would also need to pay close attention to the choice of God's name used in the text because it is often part of the word play.
As for ShiraHadasha's point - shouldn't we use the name of traditional religious Jews? Whilst Jews have always been fond of circumlocations for God's name, the favored term has changed over time and varies by philosophical tradition. For example, Ein Sof is common in kabbalistic literature. HaMakom is used in Midrashic and Talmudic text. HaShem I think came into common use post talmudic period (anyone know when?).
I'm in the process of moving and won't have time to get to the library until the next week or two, but if we can wait a bit to decide this issue, I would be glad to dig up some citations and sources, if that would be helpful. Egfrank 16:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry I wasn't clear in my point about HaShem being post-talmudic. I only meant to say that the claim "this is the term religious Jews use" depends on the time, place, philosophy, and (in the present day) movement.
I think using the generic English word God is a great idea, so long the term actually used by the source text itself may be used in articles that describe the interpretive tradition of that source text. Egfrank 19:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
David Adam Lewis ( talk · contribs) recent made substantial changes to both Red heifer ( diff) and Yom Kippur ( diff). Jon513 14:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
That is just Francis Duffy editing under a new username. JFW | T@lk 00:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
David Adam Lewis (
talk ·
contribs) has made some more edits. It is hard to them all out as he tends to rewrite entire articles. I certainly object to the using to saying "According to the
Holiness Code and the
Deuteronomic Code" instead of "According to the
Torah". It may not be a clear POV violation but it definitly violates
Raul's Razor (#13).
Jon513
09:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi - anybody care to start an article on Arthur Kurzweil? -- geneologist, scholar of Judaism, writer. Thanks. -- 201.19.77.39 14:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see my recent sourced insertion at this article that was brusquely reverted. I can't be bothered with an edit war with someone who'll happily be rude. If anyone wishes to take this up, they're welcome. Given that the article (like most round here) is full of entirely unsourced material, the addition of material sourced from a Rabbi's blog, backed up with some primary source material doesn't seem outrageous to me, but I'm not prepared to argue the toss over this one. -- Dweller 10:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Waiting patiently for a RS (i.e. not a blog). JFW | T@lk 13:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello: Is there any article or information that explains what an " Isra'iliyat Salaf" is so that Category:Isra'iliyat Salaf makes sense to those who have no idea what it means and can be "in on the secret", and why the articles that are in it are there? Thank you. IZAK 06:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Why did Yidisheryid ( talk · contribs) first include Messianic Judaism into Jewish outreach [5] with the self-justification: "added 4th group of jews who claim that they are jews and do outreach as their main mision as a jewish caouse." (If I claim that I am a millionare, does that make me into one? Saying something does not make it so), and then delete it? He did the same at {{ JewishOutreach}}, adding Messianic Judaism [6] and then deleting it. What does this mean? It would be totally outrageous to claim that by converting a Jew to Christianity that it's a type of formal "Jewish outreach" in any way shape size or form. IZAK 07:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Tom e r talk 21:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
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I am looking to research information about Jews in North Omaha, Nebraska at the turn of the century. Working online I have not been able to find any information on synagogues in the area, although there are indications of at least one that was previously located there. I emailed the Jewish Federation of Omaha for information months ago and did not receive a response. The most information I have collected is to identify the location of Jewish cemeteries in the area, and to write a stub about one of them, the Golden Hill Jewish Cemetery. Any advice about where to look for information would be greatly appreciated. – Freechild ( BoomCha) 04:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Judaism#Tanach_-_Hebrew_Bible. -- Shuki 07:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I am going to redo the template and set up the categories to allow for assessment of quality and importance, similar to
Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history and
WP:Israel. I hope nothing breaks
--
Avi
14:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
As some of you might now, the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team is in the process of selecting articles for the next "release edition", which will include all the articles already selected and new nominees, to reach a total of around 3,000 articles. Many/most of the religion projects, including this one, seem to me at least to be underrepresented. I notice Moses hasn't been nominated for a release version yet, for instance. If you want, list below the articles which you believe should be considered for inclusion and I'll formally nominate those articles you and other projects think should be included. Generally, we would only be looking for articles "B" class or higher unless they are of extraordinary importance. In those cases, of course, the article can be of any quality. John Carter 14:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
People like Nevi'im, Rishonim, etc. are they part of WP:JEW, WP:JH, or both? -- Avi 17:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, they should get appropriate categories for both, but sometimes there are better, more specific categories. For example, Rishonim are in Category:Medieval rabbis, which is a subcategory of Category:Rabbis and Category:Jewish history. -- Eliyak T· C 18:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to have a template with links to various religious leaders in Judaism. I'm making a start at {{ Jewish leaders}}. Please help out, as I'm sure my choices are going to be a bit biased. -- Eliyak T· C 19:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
It will clutter the pages and is confusing. What are the criteria? Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not "Jews" the way we talk of it today. Otherwise, does that make all their kids, including Esau and Yishmael "Jewish"? What about Jesus, he was Jewish right? This is a nightamre! How about the disputes among Jewish denominations? The Orthodox do not regard much of Reform Jews as "Jewish" and the Reform and Conservative view the Orthodox as not true Judaism either. This template was a big mistake and should be deleted. IZAK 11:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 29#Template:Jewish leaders. Thank you, IZAK 13:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
{{ Jew list}} has been deleted, for those who aren't aware, which, I'm assuming is pretty much everyone, since nobody in WP:JEW participated in the discussion. The template was deleted without even the faintest glimmer of agreement that something should urgently be done to form a consensus for inclusion on the various lists of Jews. So, the downside of everyone's apathy is that these lists are once again open to becoming the playground of antisemites and other fans of listcruft. The upside is...oh yeah, there is no upside. Way to make yourself useful, WikiProject Judaism. Sheesh. Just because it's the Three Weeks is no reason for editors to bring stupidity into WP through wanton apathy. Disgusted in the extreme, Tom e r talk 07:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Tom e r talk -- Thank you for using the word "antisemites." There are a lot around here, aren't there? I have been castigated for using that word on Wikipedia, as if that phenomenon did not exist around here.
I've argued long and hard to retain a set of criteria to restrict lists of converts to religions to actual converts, not to bogus contrivances. I had my account blocked for my efforts in that regard. While my account was blocked some of the same folks who contributed to getting me blocked, and keeping me blocked, initiated the deletion process for the Template WP:JEW. For those of you who don't know, this is what it used to say:
That tag hung on the List of notable converts to Judaism. It was deleted for one reason: The List of notable converts to Christianity did not want to abide by similarly restrictive criteria. The List of notable converts to Christianity had, and still does have, the overriding concern to put Bob Dylan on that list despite the fact that he is not a Christian, and despite the fact that there is not a scintilla of a source that he ever converted to Christianity. These are the facts. I am not allowed to edit that article. But my inability to edit the article does not alter the facts one iota. The best source the editors at that article have for conversion to Christianity for Bob Dylan is the opinion of a biographer. As far as the details of a conversion process for Bob Dylan are concerned they are entirely nonexistent. No date for conversion has been uncovered. No place of conversion is known. No witness to any such conversion process for Bob Dylan is known. But Bob Dylan is the reason the Template WP:JEW was deleted. That template was intolerable to the editors at List of notable converts to Christianity, who had one concern far and away above any other -- to keep Bob Dylan on that list of converts to Christianity. They even went so far as to renaming the list in oder to try to justify Bob Dylan's presence on that list. The renaming was utterly irrelevant to the other 200 names on that list, because the other 200 names on that list are either living people who are presently Christians or are deceased people who were Christian at time of death.
Yes, I certainly am in favor of resurrecting the above Template WP:JEW. I see no benefit to be gained from flabby parameters. I don't think the Jewish articles should have to adopt the meandering parameters apparently favored by the Christian articles. In fact I think the Christian articles and lists should be trying to abide by the higher standards exemplified by the template above that used to hang on the Jewish articles. As a first step I think the Template WP:JEW should be re-instituted. It represents the higher standards that similar groupings of articles should aspire to. The deleteing of it does nothing but open the door for tons of point of view pushing, and yes, antisemitism. Bus stop 13:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
The objections to the template was the it was expressed in a box form instead of regular prose at the beginning of the list. You can just recreated it in that form and also, if you like, a <!--style comment not to add marginal and questionable Jew without talking about it first. There is no reason to even bring it to deletion review, as the template would not have the same problems as the previous one. Jon513 20:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here -- this needs more input from editors who actually work in this area. Badagnani 16:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
There is what I perceive to be a somewhat troubling discussion taking place on the Jews for Jesus Talk page [1] that requires imput from editors with a Jewish perspective. It seems that an editor there is trying to develop an argument whereby a number of well known Jewish figures should no longer be called Jewish on Wikipedia (!) Sadly, his misguided arguments are garnering some support. Can a few more Jews weigh in on this? It is the last section on the page. MegaMom 01:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up for your project that I have removed the various Jewish occupation categories such as Category:Jewish writers and Category:Jewish actors from the subcategories of Category:People by nationality and occupation. The reason is that within the context of these categories the word "Jewish" is referring to the person's religion or ethnicity and not to their nationality. Jackie Mason, for example, is a Jewish comedian, and in this context the word "Jewish" refers to his religion and ethnicity. But his nationality is American, not Jewish. As another contrast example, Category:Israeli writers is a valid subcategory of Category:Writers by nationality since the word "Israeli" indicates they reside in or are significantly from the nation of Israel. However Category:Jewish writers includes people whose religion or ethnicity is Jewish, but whose nationality is something else.
Anyway, long story short, the subcategories of Category:Jews by occupation belong as subcategories of Category:People by religion and occupation but not as subcategories of Category:People by nationality and occupation. While it's true that in some contexts the word Jewish can refer to a person's nationality, that's not the case here.
Just giving the heads up to explain the changes and to help keep the categorization scheme consistent. Thanks, and please feel free to post or send me questions or comments. Dugwiki 16:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up Ok, I've proposed a merger of the apparently overlapping Category:People by ethnic or national descent and Category:People by ethnic or national origin schemes at cfd. They seem to be virtually duplicate schemes with slightly different names. I'll have to now wait until the results of that cfd are enacted before I can proceed on introducing "People of Jewish descent by occupation" to the resulting merger. Along with that I'd also take a look at moving some of the other category schemes Eliyak mentioned above. But for now I have to hold off on additional changes until I know what the final name of the parent categories will be. Dugwiki 15:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Moving the discussion to a different project page Since this topic will probably result in moving around multiple ethnic occupational categories, I created a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#Occupations by ethnic or national descent. While the above mentioned merger proposal works its way through the system, I'm looking for feedback at WP:Ethnic groups on titles for a new category scheme for "Occupations by ethnicity". This would house not only Jewish occupational categories but other similar categories like some of the ones Eliyak mentioned above.
I recommend putting any further replies on this particular occupation-by-ethnicity topic on the other project's talk page so that all comments can be kept in the same place. Obviously comments about the Jewish occupations categories will most likely apply to other categories under the Ethnic groups project, so best to keep that discussion on one talk page. Dugwiki 15:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
An editor seems to think Prayer is biased. Everyone's opinion requested on Talk:Prayer, also whether a {{ POV}} tag is a way to start a discussion. JFW | T@lk 20:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I have recently created a page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Articles where the various articles relevant to this project can be listed so that the members of the project can check on recent changes to them using the "recent changes" function. I have also created another page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Recognized content where the various articles which have received some form of recognition can be listed. I will be adding articles to both of these pages as time goes on. However, I am also doing similar work for several other projects, and am currently going effectively one category at a time per project in alteration. I can't myself guarantee that all the articles which have been included in the Articles page on the basis of being in the parent Category:Judaism really belong there, though, so I would welcome review from any interested parties regarding whether those articles in fact belong in the parent category, or within the scope of this project. Thanks for your attention. John Carter 15:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Unclean animals#"Unclean" where I contend that the extensive use of the term "unclean" in the context of kashrut is inappropriate.-- DLand <;;;;;;;sup>TALK 21:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I have rewritten the article Yibbum and would appreciate someone to proof read it, as I tend to make some grammatical errors. Jon513 21:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
which wikiproject should synagogues be classified under wikiproject judaism, wikiproject jewish history or both-- Java7837 04:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Moses so as too get Moses into a featured article -- Java7837 22:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
There has recently been some discussion regarding which "stories" or portions of the Bible merit having their own articles. For the purposes of centralized discussion, please make any comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bible#What should have separate articles?. Thank you. John Carter 13:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Greetings from Wikiproject Mythology. Based on a talk page discussion, we decided to restore an article called Jewish mythology that had been redirected to Aggadah. I don't know if someone on this project redirected it, but I thought I should let you guys know what's going on.
I admit that I'm no expert on Judaism. However, based solely on what I could gather from the Aggadah article, the Aggadah doesn't seem correspond to the label "Jewish mythology". According to the mythology article, "myths" (in the broadest academic sense) are simply the sacred and traditional stories of any culture. Thus, "Jewish mythology" should presumably include Biblical stories.
As it stands, the Jewish mythology article isn't great. When it speaks of "Jewish mythology", it seems to mean "Jewish superstitions". I'm thinking of re-writing the article on the model of the Christian mythology and Islamic mythology articles, making it a survey of traditional Jewish stories in general, Biblical or otherwise.
However, again, I'm not a Judaism expert. I understand that traditional Jewish stories come not only from the Bible but also from many sources that are quite foreign to me. I may start working on the article soon, but help from people who know more about Judaism would be appreciated. -- Phatius McBluff 02:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I am merely repeating arguments that have been advanced in the past. From your use of the word "censored" I take the cue that I should probably wait for others to offer a more rational rejoinder. But please demonstrate that the academic field of "Jewish mythology" exists. JFW | T@lk 21:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I really don't take sides in matters like this. Malik said something that was questionably correct, and I pointed it out. Also, I hadn't known that mythologists and folklorists had such disagreement over what to call 'myths'...I'll have to look into that. CaveatLector Talk 16:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't mean to start any trouble. I'm not an expert in these things, just somebody who has read the Bible and portions of the Talmud and other Aggadah. As I understand the terms " mythology" ("stories that a particular culture believes to be true and that use the supernatural to interpret natural events and to explain the nature of the universe and humanity") and " legends" ("a narrative of human actions that are perceived both by teller and listeners to take place within human history and to possess certain qualities that give the tale verisimilitude"), I think that:
There may not be any bright lines. Many of the important figures in the Bible are the subjects of bothe "myths" and "legends", and the same is true of many of the later rabbis who figure in the Aggadah. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 22:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that discussion might fruitfully be divided into three categories:
1. Narratives that traditional Judaism regards as myths, such as some of the stories of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba or the story of the Golem of Prague 2. Narratives involving a dispute within traditional Judaism, regarded as allegorical by some and literal by others (narratives that for example Maimonides' Guide for the Perplexed regard as allegorical) 3. Core beliefs of traditional Judaism that believers regard as true, such as the exodus from Egypt and the revelation at Mount Sinai.
An article on the first category would brook no controversy. For an article including the second and especially the third categories, I suggest very careful attention to WP:NPOV and WP:A, with use of "according to..." or similar language to indicate who regards these narratives as myths and who does not. -- Shirahadasha 22:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There has been a push in the last week or so (largely by User:Java7837, User:Eliyak, and myself), to tag appropriate articles for this project, and rate them. (You can see our progress if you'd like). In many respects it is slow tedious work, which is why I was thinking of getting a bot to help with the tagging part (a bot obviously couldn't do the rating part). Unless someone knows of a reason why this is a bad idea, I was thinking of making a request at WP:BOT for a bot to tag all article in Category:Jewish law and rituals and all its subcategories (which include rabbis, synagogue, Hebrew Calendar, and others) for this wikiproject. Obviously we'd have to go through afterwards and rate all of the articles on the importance and article rating scale, but it would make at least part of our job easier. Are there any objections? -- Bachrach44 13:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion if the front of the article is tagged with Template:Stub or some other stub template on its front page and is tagged with WikiProject Judaism in its talk page it should automatically be rated for stub class for wikiproject judaism-- Java7837 20:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Also have it add articles to WikiProject Judaism if they use a jewish related stub and also rate for their class as stub-- Java7837 20:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I think my suggestions would greatly speed up the process-- Java7837 20:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
One more suggestion for article tagged for WP Judaism in their talk pages if their respective article pages are not tagged with a stub template it should inherit the class from any other wikiprojects if there is a class dispute then it shall be not be rated for class-- Java7837 20:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I found a seemingly dormant thread on Template talk:Jewish holidays#New Israeli holidays as religious holidays (dead for 3 years, anyway) in which a decision was unilaterally made to split Jewish Holidays and Israeli Holidays from a previously united template in which the holidays were split by section on the same template. There have been multiple discussions in the past, one of which appears in this very same thread, regarding a compromise on the status of Israeli holidays. The decision in the past has been to have a single template on which Jewish Holdays would be categorized in a different section than Israeli holidays. Without any other input, and probably because nobody else commented, Yehoishophot Oliver split the template into two separate ones. I have thusfar not received a response from him on his [[ talk page from a week ago, but I have noticed that his edits have skewed solidly Anti-Zionist so I feel a real POV is going into the split. I am admittedly a Conservative Jew, whose movement is Zionist and therefore considers the Israeli holidays to be on par with Jewish holidays. However it is impossible to weigh in on this and not have a POV. Since we have decided in the past to compromise, I would like to see people weigh in on this to decide the future of the templates, whether to unite, split into sections, or into seperate templates. I have kept it as Yehoishophot Oliver for the time being, though the results of past discussion on this topic is to have a single template with split sections. Valley2 city 00:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
(shown on Jewish and Israeli holiday pages as listed below)
Israeli holidays (shown on the five Israeli holidays listed below)
Valley2 city 18:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC).
Can I join if i study Judaism and dig in Israel, but am not Jewish? IsraelXKV8R 02:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
can anyone explain to me why we have a member list at all? If you want to be involved in the project watch this page and get involved, why do we need "members"? Jon513 16:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
There has been a dispute going on between editors (mainly 2) regarding the content and article naming of
If anyone from here feel like having a look at the situation it would be much appreciated. Pax:Vobiscum 09:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I just got done copyeditting an article with some very nuanced aspects of halakha in it. I decided that the nuances were completely outside the article's scope, so I removed them. But I felt that the inclusion of seeming psak on specific cases in halakha should be tagged as non-authoritative, so I created Template:Halakha. Just wanted to let everyone know it exists. -- Eliyak T· C 06:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
There are two acharonim categories Category:Later Acharonim and Category:Early Acharonim with the stated distintion of
two questions: who made up the year 1750? There is no distinction with "early" and "later" Acharonim like there is between other periods in Jewish Law (a later rabbi cannot argue with a rabbi from an early period). Current rabbis are still "acharonim" no different than ones that lived 500 years ago. Also does Category:Later Acharonim apply to living rabbis? Dland seems to think it does not [2]. Jon513 14:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jon513: The piece of information that you are missing here is that at some point a few years ago we had some pro-Conservative Judaism editors who insisted that their rabbis are also "achronim" thus a compromise was reached not to call any rabbis of the mdoern era as "achronim" to avoid conflict. IZAK 11:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Judaism would love to take you up on your very generous offer. If I give you Category:Judaism will the bot recursively do everything in that category too or do I need to enumerate each category? -- Bachrach44 22:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
What's the best way to deal with Category:Jewish Roman Catholics: should it be renamed into something like "Catholics of Jewish ancestry" or be put for removal? ← Humus sapiens ну ? 02:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 29#Category:Jewish Roman Catholics. Thank you, IZAK 12:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Per the prior conversation, we're going to get a bot to tag article for this WikiProject. What we need now is a list of cats to run through. I've made a list by digging through Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Categories and getting everything that looked appropriate. After removing the duplicates I'm left with 621 categories, although that's probably too high because I was just cutting and pasting everything. Please take a look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Categories and make adjustments as you see fit. I've probably been over-inclusive, so if you see categories which may contain a lot of articles not really relevant to Judaism, please remove them from the list. -- Bachrach44 17:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
After de-listing 26 (number) from this WikiProject, I realized that de-listing similar articles such as 42 (number) might start a fight. My argument is that Judaism/Kabbalah is not the primary concern of these articles, but rather a trivial element within them. A statement such as "God's name Jehovah has a Gematria of 26" belongs more in an article about God's name, where such information can be centralized. Shalom Hello 02:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Can we get a collaboration going to write an article to refute Messianic Judaism and groups like Jews for Jesus. I find the Wikipedia articles on them disturbing and I feel we need an article of our own to put the Jewish point of view.
Tovojolo 13:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
We've uploaded nearly all of our encyclopedia topics, a list of which is available here. Most are under Judaism category "The Holocaust"-- USHMMwestheim 04:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Ebionites has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Avi 18:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up that Andrew Saul (ex-CEO of Cache and Brooks Bros.) has been nominated for featured article status here. Any input, comment and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to comment and/or improve the article. Thanks! Mrprada911 21:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Saul is probably Jewish, but that is not quite relevant for this WikiProject, which is about the religion rather than people who happen to be Jewish. JFW | T@lk 20:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone pls assess Sandy Koufax? Tx.-- Epeefleche 08:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I think I just got a request to continue with the bot tagging? What options did you want me to run with? Meaning:
Thanks! Please reply on the bot's talk page. -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 05:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
correct
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Thanks!
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-- Java7837 22:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Methinks both Qumran and Dead Sea Scrolls could use some supervision from this group. I am still working on the content for these pages - a little bit here and there - as my dissertation addresses both Qumran and the DSS. But I'd love some wikification, as well as some watchlist adds, just to keep an eye on those pages. You'll see what I mean. Thanx! IsraelXKV8R 06:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
This should be brought to the attention of all concerned here: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-08-09 Chabad. Thank you. IZAK 11:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Moses in hellenistic literature is up for deletion even though it is doesn't violate pov and quotes many important texts such as josephus flavius philo Eusebius (3 great historians) and quotes from Assumption of Moses a hellenistic text-- Java7837 13:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how prevalent this is, but SatyrBot tagged a few talk pages with the WikiProject Judaism template, where the articles that have very little to do with Judaism:
Looking at it now, I think it has to do with the membership of both in Category:Antisemitism. I'd ask that some WikiProject members who know more about Jewish culture than I do look through the Antisemitism category, and remove the template from articles whose subjects have little to do with Judaism other than hating Jewish people. Surely there are some anti-semites who should be under the scope of WikiProject Judaism, but they all shouldn't be - otherwise, both these articles would be under WikiProject Catholicism because they both have/had negative views of the Catholic Church. It might also be worth checking SatyrBot's contributions to see if there are any articles you think have a similar problem. Ral315 » 03:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
We plan on checking the articles added, i examined many of the articles added and noticed Book of Revelation but no other odd balls, we plan on rating the articles based off of importance and in doing so will remove articles from WikiProject Judaism that do not relate to the project-- Java7837 13:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
It is important that we look at the articles added i found book of revelation added because it was part of category:Abrahamic prophecy also Ral315 noted Chick Publications (a fundamentalist christian publisher) was added and Martin Luther i looked at many of the articles by the bot and do not know of any further problems but i recommend we look which articles are part of Category:Antisemitism and see if the article can actually be worked on by the group for example several of the church fathers hated jews such as calling us the children of cain this doesn't mean we should add them to WP:JEW but if we are talking about say Adolph Hitler a religious catholic gone extremist or Haman an extremist then yes add it to WP:JEW-- Java7837 13:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I am looking at the articles in Category:Antisemitism and found out Judas Iscariot, and Nation of Islam (very antisemitic group but fear of misunderstanding by people looking at its talkpage)
Now Judas Iscariot no doubt was name given to the character because the name literally means Judah and the Jews were blamed for the death of Jesus and calling him Iscariot no doubt was an attempt to show hatred of the sicarii a anti-roman group because they did not pay allegiance to rome as christian theology teaches to do--
Java7837
13:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Also because of the fictional character of Judas Iscariot many jews have died yet it may confuse people into thinking as one muslim told me that Judas Iscariot was the last prophet of Judaism lol-- Java7837 13:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I finished looking through the articles in Category:Antisemitism and did not see any other strange articles-- Java7837 13:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I know and thank you very much for doing this for wikiproject judaism it is greatly appreciated-- 129.115.102.13 15:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
It because we suggested that Category:Cities in Samaria be part of WikiProject Judaism -- Java7837 21:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Why is the bot tagging Israeli cities, villages, songs, settlements, newspapers and rivers among other things? -- Shuki 21:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hamas is part of WP:J? I think someone gave satyrbot a too-broad list, and it's going overboard. Where is this "list" and who was responsible for it? --
Avi
12:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I actually was making a list of categories that needed to be removed from the wikiproject and or moved to other projects
Category:Archangels (I removed all irrelevant articles from the project manually and moved some if possible to more appropiate projects)
Category:Classes of angel (I removed all irrelevant articles from the project manually and moved some if possible to more appropiate projects)
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Category:Non-traditional Kabbalah(I removed all irrelevant articles from the project and moved articles to more appropriate projects if possible)
Category:Kabbalah(I removed all irrelevant articles from the project and moved articles to more appropriate projects if possible)
Category:Kabbalists(actually these articles i added to wikiproject judaism because the articles in the category are rabbis who did works on other forms of jewish study than kabbalah such as ethics, philosophy, and commentaries on non-kabbalistic texts)
Category:Six-Day War Category:Religious Kibbutz Movement Category:Roman sites in Israel Category:Ancient Greek sites in Israel Category:Cities in Judea Category:Cities in Samaria Category:Ancient Israel and Judah Category:Battles involving the Canaanites Category:Judea and Samaria Area Category:Battles of the Maccabean revolt Category:Hasmoneans Category:Roman governors of Judaea
Category:Yiddish
Category:Yiddish-language film directors
Category:Yiddish-language occupations
Category:Yiddish-language poets
Category:Yiddish-language writers
Category:Yiddish literature
Category:Yiddish periodicals
Category:Yiddish singers
Category:Yiddish songs
Category:Yiddish theatre
Category:Yiddish theatre performers
Category:Yiddish words and phrases <- this one i want to do manually
Category:Jewish comedy
Category:Jewish culture
Category:Jewish magazines
Category:Jewish media
Category:Jewish media in Canada
Category:Jewish medical organizations
Category:Jewish music
Category:Judeo-Arabic languages
Category:Jewish film and theatre
Category:Jewish radio
Category:Jewish newspapers
Category:Judeo-Persian languages
Category:Judeo-Romance languages
Category:Jewish sports organizations
Category:Ladino language
Category:Linguists of Yiddish
Category:Hasidic entertainers
Category:Jewish clubs and societies
Category:Torah cities Category:Torah events Category:Torah monarchs Category:Torah people Category:Torah places Category:Essene texts Category:Dead Sea scrolls Category:Book of Enoch Category:Book of Daniel Category:Battles involving the Canaanites Category:Biblical women in ancient warfare Category:Deuterocanonical books Category:Geography of Hebrew Bible places Category:Hebrew Bible chapters Category:Hebrew Bible cities Category:Hebrew Bible cities and countries Category:Hebrew Bible countries Category:Hebrew Bible events Category:Hebrew Bible geography Category:Hebrew Bible manuscripts Category:Hebrew Bible mountains Category:Hebrew Bible nations Category:Hebrew Bible people Category:Hebrew Bible places Category:Hebrew Bible quotations Category:Hebrew Bible rivers Category:Hebrew Bible topics Category:Hebrew Bible valleys Category:Hebrew Bible verses Category:Samaritan culture and history Category:Samaritan texts Category:Judges of ancient Israel Category:Kings of ancient Israel Category:Kings of ancient Judah Category:Kings of Edom Category:Tanakh stubs Category:Testament of Solomon Category:Non-rabbinic Jewish texts Category:Old Testament Apocrypha Category:Old Testament Apocrypha people Category:Old Testament Apocrypha places
Category:Victims of the Inquisition Category:Works of Josephus Category:Herodian dynasty Category:Images of the Holocaust Category:Jewish Argentine history Category:Jewish Austrian history Category:Jewish Autonomous Oblast Category:Jewish Babylonian history Category:Jewish Dutch history Category:Ancient Jewish Egyptian history Category:Ancient Jewish Greek history Category:Ancient Jewish Persian history Category:Ancient Jewish Roman history Category:Dreyfus affair Category:Jewish English history Category:Holocaust museums Category:Jewish Messiah claimants Category:Jewish museums Category:Blood libel Category:Rothschild family Category:Jewish philanthropists Category:Jewish Ukrainian history Category:Jewish United States Supreme Court justices Category:Jewish Polish history Category:Jewish Portuguese history Category:Jewish Romanian history Category:Jewish-Roman wars Category:Jewish royalty Category:Jewish Russian and Soviet history Category:Jewish resistance during the Holocaust Category:Jewish South African history Category:Jewish Spanish history Category:Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda films Category:American Jews Category:Argentine Jewish organizations Category:Pogrom victims
Category:Antisemitic canards Category:Antisemitic forgeries Category:Antisemitic publications Category:Antisemitism Category:Anti-Judaism Category:Anti-Zionism
I am not exactly sure what you are saying the categories i listed should have WP:JEW replaced with the correponsding project that i suggested except for the categories for wikiproject religion and wikiproject kabbalah (some relate to judaism other than kabbalah for example kabbalistic sages often wrote works on ethics, philosophy, and/or commentaries on non-kabbalistic texts also the main article kabbalah should obviously be part of the project) i need to do those manually as some do relate to judaism.-- 69.153.67.219 16:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Could Project Judaism add the article on William Schniedewind to WP Judaism? He is an endowed, named chair at major university teaching Hebrew Bible. I could use a few more sets of eyes to help maintain the page from a user who regularly vandalizes tha page b/c of a RL dispute. Thanx. IsraelXKV8R 01:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed don't see the point-- 129.115.38.13 13:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone here have thoughts on whether Yuri Andropov should be labeled a Jew? Haukur 11:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
A healthy and prosperous new year, and a gmar tov to everyone. JFW | T@lk 21:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed that User:IZAK's last contribution was over a month ago? Has he left Wikipedia or has he taken an unannounced wikibreak? I also noticed that User:Shirahadasha's last edit was June 27. What's going on here?-- DLand TALK 18:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, ever heard of the word/s "travel," "vacation," "business" or "real life" and some people do not realize that in the United States and the Northern Hemisphere it's Summer and thus many people are away for all sorts of reasons (travel or family stuff) or have different jobs starting from June, through July and August, and even up to September (when the Yom Tov season requires our attention) -- anyhow, thanks for missing me!!! IZAK 11:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi and shanah tova to all, also back. "Real life" also called. I'll probably have to edit a little less frequently than I did before. Thanks for the warm compliments. -- Shirahadasha 01:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
For a good while, User:Rktect has been making significant modifications to various biblical articles — for example, compare his/her changes to Stations list here. S/he has been blocked four times, twice in the last three months, after long insertions of original research. Please compare the current version of Elim (Bible) with the way it was before Rktect began editing it in July. I'd appreciate it if some of you in this wikiproject would watch a bunch of these articles, lest this OR be restored. Nyttend 23:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Is Appetizing for real? I've never heard of this term. -- Eliyak T· C 03:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey y'all, there's a bit of a conflict at Magog (Bible) as to whether it should be merged into the main article Gog and Magog. It's intended to deal with the figure from Genesis, whereas Gog and Magog deals with the whole schmeer comprehensively. The way I see it, there's just not enough information there to justify it being seperate; virtually all of what's there is dealt with in a superior form at the main article. I'd appreciate some input!-- Cúchullain t/ c 16:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The jewish writer and rabbi Chajim Bloch (perhaps you can spell Chajim differently) is missing in the english WP, contrary to the German, see de:Chajim_Bloch. The German National Library (Frankfurt) holds 28 books written by and about him, and his books about the Golem and Hersh Ostropoler were sold as piracy-prints (correct word?) in Berlin in the 80s. Plehn 10:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
What is the youngest age that one can graduate from the Yeshiva and gain the rabbinical ordination in orthodox Judaism? -- Ghostexorcist 10:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see and join in at: talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach? -- Avi 15:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Would it be an idea to set up MiszaBot II to auto-archive sections once they haven't been added to for say a month, or six weeks? Jheald 09:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Would any of you be able to provide some input into this question? Thanks -- Arvind 13:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
68.195.69.225 ( talk · contribs) seems to believe that every Jewish holiday must have the word "ritual" in it, perferably in the introduction. I saw no value to his changes and reverted them. Certainly the sentence "Purim is a Jewish holiday" contains more information than "Purim is a Jewish ritual". Jon513 19:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Who makes decision what is a jewish topic or not?
Why Gog and Magog is a Wiki jewish for example?
Gog and magog mentioned in Revelation ( christians) Quran (islam) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.12.132 ( talk) 05:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The article Social justice currently has nothing on social justice in the Jewish tradition. I do not consider myself competent to edit on this topic myself. Thank you. -- 201.19.77.39 09:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:Shirahadasha:
I'm concerned about the arrangement of the Reform Judaism articles, mostly because it would make it hard for me to place material (yes cited material) in the right place. Much of the material in "Reform Judaism", IMHO really belongs in Progressive Judaism. I'd even go so far as to say that Reform Judaism should be merged with Progressive Judiasm and that Reform Judaism be turned into a redirect to Progressive Judaism. Depending on the amount of material specific to each country a sub-article (Progressive Judiasm in XXX) might be merited.
The problem is that "Reform" is just one of the terms used to describe the Jewish religious response to the Haskalah. Outside the US, communities call themselves liberal and progressive as well as reform. Jointly they have chosen the name "World Union of Progressive Judiasm" to refer to themselves. Individually, the choice of "Reform" over other synonyms has little meaning - it isn't possible to make assumptions about a particular stance based on choice of name.
Discussion about the above two paragraphs probably shouldn't be carried out on user pages. Please feel free to move the above paragraph to the appropriate page and leave a note on my user page where to look for the discussion. Yours, Egfrank 08:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm ( User:egfrank) more concerned about the arrangement of materials among the articles than the name used in articles. However, the choice of name also bears discussing. I've added some more details explaining why I feel that the "main" article should be Progressive Judaism and that the articles Liberal Judaism and Reform Judaism should either be simple redirects to that article or disambiguation pages.
Common name - in the USA Reform Judaism is the term in most common usage and perhaps its heavy usage suggests a largely USA or Canadian based editorship?. The advantage of using the term "progressive Judaism" is that it is internationally neutral. It may also be less confusing for international readers. In some countries, for example, the UK, terms like "liberal" and "reform" refer to particular associations of congregations ( Liberal Judaism and the Movement for Reform Judaism respectively). Despite organizational differences congregations associated with both organizations are members of the WUPJ and train their rabbis at common institutions. In other countries the terms reform,liberal,and progressive are used interchangably. Even in the USA and Canada where "reform judaism" is the more common term, the terms "liberal" and "progressive" Judaism are considered synonyms (see http://urj.org/worship/letuslearn/rj/).
Common institutions. There are several organizations that liberal/reform/progressive congregations and their members tend to belong to. For example, Arzenu - the international umbrella organization for progressive religious Zionist organizations and World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ), the international organization for progressive/liberal/reform/reconstructionist congregations and ParDes, an association for Jewish day schools.
Common intellectual roots. Although they may stress different thinkers, the movements have their intellectual roots in the 19th century German Reform movement (cf. articles on Abraham Geiger, Samuel Holdheim, Zacharias Frankel among others). A common set of core beliefs is evidenced by the WUPJ mission statement (see http://wupj.org/About/About.asp). It would be hard to discuss their differences apart from this common intellectual background. Egfrank 16:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Common rabbinical training programs. Rabbis for progressive congregations around the world train in common institutions: Leo Baeck College (UK), the Abraham Geiger College (Germany), and the Hebrew Union College (Israel, USA). Students from all three schools spend their first year studying together on the Jerusalem campus of Hebrew Union College. Egfrank 04:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi! As I understand it, Egfrank is also suggesting replacing Category:Reform Judaism by Category:Progressive Judaism. Best, -- Shirahadasha 17:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see the centralized discussion about this at Talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach? and add your views.
Until fairly recently, there was only one Baal teshuva article that was not well-defined about what its content matter should be, i.e. the conflict between defining the Halachik notion and whatever relates to teshuva and the status of baal teshuva as applied to every Jew, vs. how that label is applied to only a certain class of secular/assimilated Jews who become more religious. In order to clarify and clear up the long-standing confusion of content and purpose of the article it was shortened, and part of it were placed first into Orthodox Jewish outreach and now a new Baal teshuva movement article has been added into which material was placed dealing with the modern-day movement based on the frequent usage of that term was created focusing in the grassroots movement of Jews returning to Judaism. Another previous article helps to further clarify the over-lapping subject matter: Repentance in Judaism (which should logically hold all descriptions and explanations of teshuva and Baal teshuva) and the newer Orthodox Jewish outreach focuses exclusively on the efforts of Orthodox rabbis and organizations. A discussion is underway at Talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach?, but more input would be appreciated on these key set of articles. Thank you and Good Moed! IZAK 18:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The article B'nai Mitzvah does not clearly define the meaning of the term "B'nai Mitzvah". While I believe that it is implied in the text of the article, I'm not positive that my guess is right. Let's add a clear definition of the term for those who need it. Thanks. -- 201.19.77.39 15:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
" B'nai Mitzvah" is not the best title, and is an attempt to combine bar mitzvah and bat mitzvah into a single term. "Bnai mitzvah" itself is not a commonly used term. "Bar mitzvah" and "bat mitzvah" are both defined in the intro. -- Eliyak T· C 18:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! There is a proposal in Reform Judaism to remove the section on criticism of Reform Judaism, now relabeled relationship with other movements. I am bringing the matter to the attention of the WikiProject because I believe WP:NPOV requires all notable points of view and although it's normal for articles on a religious denomination to be largely edited by members of that denomination, nonetheless WP:NPOV has to be complied with. Best, -- Shirahadasha 13:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I've restored the section and labeled it Reform Judaism#Orthodox criticism. -- Shirahadasha 14:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It's been suggested to me that I try to build consensus on this matter before I go about making changes. Anyway, it's been rubbing me the wrong way that Wikipedia, which is supposed to contain scholarly articles, has many articles which use "Hashem" when directly quoting sources where an actual name of God is used. I think this in particular makes the articles inaccessible to non-Jews, who might not understand Orthodox interpretations of the 3rd Commandment.
I think we need some standard for what name of God should be used in what types of articles. My personal view is that direct quotations from the TaNaKH should use the relevant name (usually YHWH), quotations from prayer should use "Adonai" since that's what would be said in the actual prayer, and quotations of common expressions (e.g. ";baruch Hashem", "kiddush Hashem") should continue to use "Hashem". And in any case, the first use of any given Hebrew name of God in an article should be linked so a non-Jewish user has a prayer (no pun intended) of sorting them all out.
Anyway, the short of this all is that I'd really like to make Judaism-related articles more accessible to non-Jews, and I think having a scholarly standard for uses of names of God is one thing that could help. BeIsKr 00:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I have frequently seen "Yahweh" used to signify "the God of the Jews" in Bible articles. I think this is just silly, especially since any transliteration vocalization of YHWH would be either
OR or
POV. YHWH is not so great either, since, as JFW points out, this also leaves many readers scratching their heads. I think the best option is to use either "God," "the Lord" or occasionally "the God of the Jews" with a wiki-link to
Tetragrammaton, unless the name is relevant to the context, such as in Biblical criticism articles/sections. (
Tetragrammaton is currently a redirect to
Yahweh on an ostensibly temporary basis.) --
Eliyak
T·
C
22:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
"Hashem" should not be used on Wikipedia (excluding cases like Kiddush Hashem where it is intrinsic to the idea.) Over the years it has been "God" which is perfectly legitimate. My own policy in this regard in articles relating to Jews and Judaism, is that when the word "God" is used, I create an internal link to the Names of God in Judaism. Thus "God" in a Judaism article does not link to [[God]] alone but to Names of God in Judaism by using [[Names of God in Judaism|God]]. This should be of help to any person not familiar with Judaism's notions about God to help them get a better perspective, and it does not "limit" God as far as Judaism is concerned. Neither "Hashem" nor "Jehova/Yaweh" nor "YHWH" nor "Adonai" nor "Tetragrammaton" should not be used in articles (as these only add to the confusion, and they are basically not suitable for an encyclopedia like Wikipidia that is striving to sound neutral and not like another version of the Catholic Encyclopedia!) Thus I essentially agree with JFW and with User:Shirahadasha. IZAK 06:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a good idea for someone to do a quick review of scholarly books on bible, prayer, machshevet yisrael (Jewish philosophy) etc to determine the standard usage? I would imagine it varies greatly and probably depends on the choice of a name for God used in the source text. I know articles in biblical scholarship either use God or the exact name used in the text being studied. This is essential to discourse since a dominant theory in biblical criticism understands the different choices for the name of God to reflect different editoral voices. Midrash also sometimes plays on the particular choice in the name of God in biblical text. Commentators on Medieval piyuttim would also need to pay close attention to the choice of God's name used in the text because it is often part of the word play.
As for ShiraHadasha's point - shouldn't we use the name of traditional religious Jews? Whilst Jews have always been fond of circumlocations for God's name, the favored term has changed over time and varies by philosophical tradition. For example, Ein Sof is common in kabbalistic literature. HaMakom is used in Midrashic and Talmudic text. HaShem I think came into common use post talmudic period (anyone know when?).
I'm in the process of moving and won't have time to get to the library until the next week or two, but if we can wait a bit to decide this issue, I would be glad to dig up some citations and sources, if that would be helpful. Egfrank 16:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry I wasn't clear in my point about HaShem being post-talmudic. I only meant to say that the claim "this is the term religious Jews use" depends on the time, place, philosophy, and (in the present day) movement.
I think using the generic English word God is a great idea, so long the term actually used by the source text itself may be used in articles that describe the interpretive tradition of that source text. Egfrank 19:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
David Adam Lewis ( talk · contribs) recent made substantial changes to both Red heifer ( diff) and Yom Kippur ( diff). Jon513 14:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
That is just Francis Duffy editing under a new username. JFW | T@lk 00:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
David Adam Lewis (
talk ·
contribs) has made some more edits. It is hard to them all out as he tends to rewrite entire articles. I certainly object to the using to saying "According to the
Holiness Code and the
Deuteronomic Code" instead of "According to the
Torah". It may not be a clear POV violation but it definitly violates
Raul's Razor (#13).
Jon513
09:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi - anybody care to start an article on Arthur Kurzweil? -- geneologist, scholar of Judaism, writer. Thanks. -- 201.19.77.39 14:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see my recent sourced insertion at this article that was brusquely reverted. I can't be bothered with an edit war with someone who'll happily be rude. If anyone wishes to take this up, they're welcome. Given that the article (like most round here) is full of entirely unsourced material, the addition of material sourced from a Rabbi's blog, backed up with some primary source material doesn't seem outrageous to me, but I'm not prepared to argue the toss over this one. -- Dweller 10:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Waiting patiently for a RS (i.e. not a blog). JFW | T@lk 13:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello: Is there any article or information that explains what an " Isra'iliyat Salaf" is so that Category:Isra'iliyat Salaf makes sense to those who have no idea what it means and can be "in on the secret", and why the articles that are in it are there? Thank you. IZAK 06:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Why did Yidisheryid ( talk · contribs) first include Messianic Judaism into Jewish outreach [5] with the self-justification: "added 4th group of jews who claim that they are jews and do outreach as their main mision as a jewish caouse." (If I claim that I am a millionare, does that make me into one? Saying something does not make it so), and then delete it? He did the same at {{ JewishOutreach}}, adding Messianic Judaism [6] and then deleting it. What does this mean? It would be totally outrageous to claim that by converting a Jew to Christianity that it's a type of formal "Jewish outreach" in any way shape size or form. IZAK 07:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Tom e r talk 21:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)