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Java Cafe: THE place to contribute ideas about what to do next...
(If you are not a member of the project or want to make general comments about it, please go
here instead.)
Where should we tag {{Portal|Java|Duke (Java mascot) waving.svg}} and/or {{Java (Sun)}} / {{Java Virtual Machine}}: on some or all Java categories, on some or all Java articles?
Is there a better way to screen for untagged Java material than the searches suggested under List: in
Things you can do?
What kind of Infoboxes (if any) like {{Infobox software}} should we put in articles?
What are the merits of using {{Template:Did_you_know}} to get visibility on the main Wikipedia page? (not so urgent...)
We need to discuss WPBanner hooks with the Computing project in order to get specific Quality-rating statistics for Java articles:
Comment about 5) For me, in creating the Java WikiProject, there was to be a balance between 'bringing focus to the bettering of Java-related content on Wikipedia' AND 'the overhead of maintaining such a project'. The balance I found, apart from bringing up the Java Portal from scratch, was that 1) we would be a descendent project of WikiProject Computing (not a task force) 2) we would have our own 'banner' linking to the Java Project and the Java Portal and 3) we would stick to the WP1.0 stats management (the Quality-by-Importance matrix). Nothing original so far. Then, comes the decision of having, or not having, a specific Importance rating and/or a specific Quality rating (for Java-related articles) by the Java project. I therefore examined several other projects related or not to computing, and saw that they run the whole gamut in between having no specific ratings (for example, the Quebec project VS the Canada project) to having all specific ratings (for example, the Linux project VS the Computing project). I did think having Importance ratings was practical because that's a management issue for prioritizing articles and their rewriting. There remains the infamous Quality ratings. As I understand it, Quality rating is an editorial issue of Wikipedia, and in fact I never saw (so far) 2 projects giving a different Class. When they do, these differences get reconciled through inter-project discussions. By having NO specific 'class' parameter, the Java WikiProject can somewhat shortcut the 'paperwork' as was explained to me by my adopter SriMesh. Also, we would not need to invoke a bot from time to time to assess the articles from other project banners. And we do not have to constantly check if the other Computing projects attempt to change the rating over our head. So the problem becomes more simple: how to generate the relevant 'Java articles by quality' category in an article's talk page from the project banner. One way I foresaw is explained above. It means putting both the Computing banner and the Java banner, both keeping their own independant meaning and responsibilities. If you take a look at
Talk:J2EE_application that's what I would want, the Quality rating for Java taken from Computing (I'm not engaging the whole team in saying so though). The only problem is the java-importance parameter on the Computing banner which is necessary there (if not there, the templates will generate an extra Unknown-importance Java articles category) but is redundant in that case; I don't know how to fix that in the Computing project template (putting the java-importance as an option) but I'm sure someone does... If somebody has a better method, that's great, but please explain it here before doing any work, so that the team can choose which way to go...
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Alain R 3 4 5
Techno-Wiki-Geek 21:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
|java=
will eventually go away and can't be depended on either (I just added it for transitional purposes since I saw many articles trying to use |java=
with {{
WikiProject Computing}}. --
Tothwolf (
talk) 21:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)|class=
will be the same for all banners and is usually the only option that needs to change once the assessment templates are established. Unlike the |importance=
scale, which varies between individual projects, there is a standard scale for assessing articles for |class=
. See
Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment,
Template:Grading scheme, and
Template:Importance scheme for more information on the scales. --
Tothwolf (
talk) 22:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Not sure where to ask about this, but if you look at how I've changed MIDlet you'll see I got rid of the huge chunk of Java code. I think, for instance Xlet ought to get the same treatment, we shouldn't just have code in an article, that belongs in a book or howto. At the moment I'm getting on with the cleanup of articles that require citations and references, but it's slow going. Also, s there a general discussion page for this project? — M3TA( info) @ 07:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC) (copied from User_talk:M3tainfo)
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![]() | Java Project‑class | ||||||
|
Java Cafe: THE place to contribute ideas about what to do next...
(If you are not a member of the project or want to make general comments about it, please go
here instead.)
Where should we tag {{Portal|Java|Duke (Java mascot) waving.svg}} and/or {{Java (Sun)}} / {{Java Virtual Machine}}: on some or all Java categories, on some or all Java articles?
Is there a better way to screen for untagged Java material than the searches suggested under List: in
Things you can do?
What kind of Infoboxes (if any) like {{Infobox software}} should we put in articles?
What are the merits of using {{Template:Did_you_know}} to get visibility on the main Wikipedia page? (not so urgent...)
We need to discuss WPBanner hooks with the Computing project in order to get specific Quality-rating statistics for Java articles:
Comment about 5) For me, in creating the Java WikiProject, there was to be a balance between 'bringing focus to the bettering of Java-related content on Wikipedia' AND 'the overhead of maintaining such a project'. The balance I found, apart from bringing up the Java Portal from scratch, was that 1) we would be a descendent project of WikiProject Computing (not a task force) 2) we would have our own 'banner' linking to the Java Project and the Java Portal and 3) we would stick to the WP1.0 stats management (the Quality-by-Importance matrix). Nothing original so far. Then, comes the decision of having, or not having, a specific Importance rating and/or a specific Quality rating (for Java-related articles) by the Java project. I therefore examined several other projects related or not to computing, and saw that they run the whole gamut in between having no specific ratings (for example, the Quebec project VS the Canada project) to having all specific ratings (for example, the Linux project VS the Computing project). I did think having Importance ratings was practical because that's a management issue for prioritizing articles and their rewriting. There remains the infamous Quality ratings. As I understand it, Quality rating is an editorial issue of Wikipedia, and in fact I never saw (so far) 2 projects giving a different Class. When they do, these differences get reconciled through inter-project discussions. By having NO specific 'class' parameter, the Java WikiProject can somewhat shortcut the 'paperwork' as was explained to me by my adopter SriMesh. Also, we would not need to invoke a bot from time to time to assess the articles from other project banners. And we do not have to constantly check if the other Computing projects attempt to change the rating over our head. So the problem becomes more simple: how to generate the relevant 'Java articles by quality' category in an article's talk page from the project banner. One way I foresaw is explained above. It means putting both the Computing banner and the Java banner, both keeping their own independant meaning and responsibilities. If you take a look at
Talk:J2EE_application that's what I would want, the Quality rating for Java taken from Computing (I'm not engaging the whole team in saying so though). The only problem is the java-importance parameter on the Computing banner which is necessary there (if not there, the templates will generate an extra Unknown-importance Java articles category) but is redundant in that case; I don't know how to fix that in the Computing project template (putting the java-importance as an option) but I'm sure someone does... If somebody has a better method, that's great, but please explain it here before doing any work, so that the team can choose which way to go...
--
Alain R 3 4 5
Techno-Wiki-Geek 21:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
|java=
will eventually go away and can't be depended on either (I just added it for transitional purposes since I saw many articles trying to use |java=
with {{
WikiProject Computing}}. --
Tothwolf (
talk) 21:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)|class=
will be the same for all banners and is usually the only option that needs to change once the assessment templates are established. Unlike the |importance=
scale, which varies between individual projects, there is a standard scale for assessing articles for |class=
. See
Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment,
Template:Grading scheme, and
Template:Importance scheme for more information on the scales. --
Tothwolf (
talk) 22:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Not sure where to ask about this, but if you look at how I've changed MIDlet you'll see I got rid of the huge chunk of Java code. I think, for instance Xlet ought to get the same treatment, we shouldn't just have code in an article, that belongs in a book or howto. At the moment I'm getting on with the cleanup of articles that require citations and references, but it's slow going. Also, s there a general discussion page for this project? — M3TA( info) @ 07:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC) (copied from User_talk:M3tainfo)
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