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I have every intention of continuing to edit nobility-related articles. Do we really need this as a separate project, though, rather than a task force structure? WP:MILHIST works beautifully with a task force structure, and has successfully incorporated a number of inactive WikiProjects into itself. I think we'll have more success, more activity, with this by making it a task force and including all of the WP:J editors, rather than splitting it off. LordAmeth 13:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Editing Emperor Go-Toba I met two questions about namig Royalty and notibility around the late 12th C Japan.
Thanks for your opinions in advance! -- Aphaia 11:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
My vote is to stick with some standard (e.g. calling all Imperial Princes "Prince" regardless of whether or not they later became monks) except in those particular cases when someone is definitively more well-known by another name. There are of course plenty of exceptions (Fujiwara no Kamatari vs Nakatomi no Kamatari; Kibi Makibi vs Kibi Daijin, etc) where there is no definitively more common phrasing... but for those where some standard form can be reached, or a definitively most common name can be used, we should use it. LordAmeth 12:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I still think that (a) there is more often than not a more common form in English sources to be found - is the Empress Dowager Kenrei more frequently known as Taira no Tokiko or is it the other way around? (b) some standards could be reached. Empresses and the like aside, I think it's a good idea to use "Taira" or "Fujiwara" or whatever the clan name is over some religious title, place-name association, or other pseudonym acquired later in life. For example, Hōjō Masako is known as ama-shōgun (the nun shogun), but we still call her Hōjō Masako. ... I apologize that my examples come from bushi families, as I am more familiar with them, but I am sure that the same logic applies to the Fujiwara as it does to the Minamoto and Taira. LordAmeth 22:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The article on Prince Kuni Kuniyoshi was recently moved to Imperial Prince Kuni Kuniyoshi, citing MOS-JP. I was not aware that MOS-JP makes any mentioned of such naming, nor that there was consensus on such a move, and since the Kuni-no-miya family is a oke branch and not in direct lineal descent of the Imperial family, I consider title to be somewhat misleading. It is also inconsistent with article titles of other oke members. Should the title be reverted? -- MChew ( talk) 15:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I tried to link for ja:伏見宮貞致親王, a prince of a branch of the Imperial house Fushimi-no-miya and found I had no clear idea what was the best naming of him in English.
There is an article of his house and it contained a red link to Fushimi-no-miya Sadayuki shinnō but I have no idea to determine if it is good / widely acceptable.
The modern branch and their princes are simply named just with their branch name / title only, like Prince Akishino or Prince Mikasa, but we cannot use this way for Fushimi-no-miya or Prince Fushimi, since there were more than ten princes titled in this name.
Opinion? -- Aphaia ( talk) 13:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I need help: I'm interesting in all the State visits that H.I.M. the Emperor Akihito has made since 1989. I need to know date and country and cities he visited. In the official Emperor House website [3] I found an interesting table ( [4]), but it's only in Japanese (I don't speek Japanese). Maybe somebody is interested in make a new article with this information (or to translate it for me). I made the article of the spanish King, Juan Carlos I, in the spanish wikipedia ( es:Visitas oficiales al exterior del rey Juan Carlos I), for an exemple.
I'll be waiting for answers at my discussion page in the spanish wikipedia es:Usuario Discusión:Leonprimer.
This subject seems to generates minor, intermittent controversies -- see Talk:Chrysanthemum Throne#Off-topic. There are perennially unresolved questions about what needs to be considered "off-topic"? I wonder if someone might have a constructive suggestion about how to transform this recurring problem into a non-controversial article? -- Tenmei ( talk) 00:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Do we want to create an infobox (or more than one) which can be used for Japanese nobility, royalty, etc.? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Hiroh Kikai/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I have every intention of continuing to edit nobility-related articles. Do we really need this as a separate project, though, rather than a task force structure? WP:MILHIST works beautifully with a task force structure, and has successfully incorporated a number of inactive WikiProjects into itself. I think we'll have more success, more activity, with this by making it a task force and including all of the WP:J editors, rather than splitting it off. LordAmeth 13:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Editing Emperor Go-Toba I met two questions about namig Royalty and notibility around the late 12th C Japan.
Thanks for your opinions in advance! -- Aphaia 11:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
My vote is to stick with some standard (e.g. calling all Imperial Princes "Prince" regardless of whether or not they later became monks) except in those particular cases when someone is definitively more well-known by another name. There are of course plenty of exceptions (Fujiwara no Kamatari vs Nakatomi no Kamatari; Kibi Makibi vs Kibi Daijin, etc) where there is no definitively more common phrasing... but for those where some standard form can be reached, or a definitively most common name can be used, we should use it. LordAmeth 12:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I still think that (a) there is more often than not a more common form in English sources to be found - is the Empress Dowager Kenrei more frequently known as Taira no Tokiko or is it the other way around? (b) some standards could be reached. Empresses and the like aside, I think it's a good idea to use "Taira" or "Fujiwara" or whatever the clan name is over some religious title, place-name association, or other pseudonym acquired later in life. For example, Hōjō Masako is known as ama-shōgun (the nun shogun), but we still call her Hōjō Masako. ... I apologize that my examples come from bushi families, as I am more familiar with them, but I am sure that the same logic applies to the Fujiwara as it does to the Minamoto and Taira. LordAmeth 22:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The article on Prince Kuni Kuniyoshi was recently moved to Imperial Prince Kuni Kuniyoshi, citing MOS-JP. I was not aware that MOS-JP makes any mentioned of such naming, nor that there was consensus on such a move, and since the Kuni-no-miya family is a oke branch and not in direct lineal descent of the Imperial family, I consider title to be somewhat misleading. It is also inconsistent with article titles of other oke members. Should the title be reverted? -- MChew ( talk) 15:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I tried to link for ja:伏見宮貞致親王, a prince of a branch of the Imperial house Fushimi-no-miya and found I had no clear idea what was the best naming of him in English.
There is an article of his house and it contained a red link to Fushimi-no-miya Sadayuki shinnō but I have no idea to determine if it is good / widely acceptable.
The modern branch and their princes are simply named just with their branch name / title only, like Prince Akishino or Prince Mikasa, but we cannot use this way for Fushimi-no-miya or Prince Fushimi, since there were more than ten princes titled in this name.
Opinion? -- Aphaia ( talk) 13:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I need help: I'm interesting in all the State visits that H.I.M. the Emperor Akihito has made since 1989. I need to know date and country and cities he visited. In the official Emperor House website [3] I found an interesting table ( [4]), but it's only in Japanese (I don't speek Japanese). Maybe somebody is interested in make a new article with this information (or to translate it for me). I made the article of the spanish King, Juan Carlos I, in the spanish wikipedia ( es:Visitas oficiales al exterior del rey Juan Carlos I), for an exemple.
I'll be waiting for answers at my discussion page in the spanish wikipedia es:Usuario Discusión:Leonprimer.
This subject seems to generates minor, intermittent controversies -- see Talk:Chrysanthemum Throne#Off-topic. There are perennially unresolved questions about what needs to be considered "off-topic"? I wonder if someone might have a constructive suggestion about how to transform this recurring problem into a non-controversial article? -- Tenmei ( talk) 00:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Do we want to create an infobox (or more than one) which can be used for Japanese nobility, royalty, etc.? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Hiroh Kikai/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)