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Not aware that I've deleted any Irelandproj tags. Yesterday I added project tags to several Irish related articles (have a glance at my contributions list) and added the project nest to tidy up a bit. This may be the problem - it hides the project banner but just needs a click on the show button. What instances have you found? It would be carelessness and I apologise. BTW, have a look at the discussion on the talk page for Kildare Town - do you have a view? Folks at 137 06:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Just checked out Talk:Kildare Town myself. I see you've added a second Irelandproj banner. The original was not deleted: if you click on the "show" buttons, the individual banners are displayed. It's a device to avoid clutter as articles qualify for multiple projects. I'll leave you to tidy up as you see fit, but nests are in fairly common use in Wiki. Folks at 137 06:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Ww, not sure those nested tags work; better to leave the Irelandproj tags as well, like they do in Australia. ( Sarah777 01:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC))
From what I read yesterday the bot will find the project assessment class tags whether it is nested or not. We shall have to wait a day or two to see if it is picking up the new and revised tags that we have added to some pages. When the tag is nested editors need to watch out and not add a duplicate as has happened with a few pages, such as, Arklow had. Nested tags can only be used if the original tag is set up for nesting. This is completely separate from the use of a Banner-Shell that allows hiding of several project tags, be they regular tags, assessment tags or whatever. The issue with the "thoroughbred horse" tag seems to be that is is not set-up to allow nesting, but can still be incorporated into a Banner-Shell. ww2censor 23:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
WP 1.0 bot has done its job and the results are here and here. The updated article talk pages have been recorded, so Sarah777 you should be happy to know that. I don't agree with many of the importance levels for the FAs and GAs. We should really look at the importance ratings more closely. Only 2 of the 17 FAs have an importance rating and 2 of the 7 GAs are rated. The B class articles are rated all over the place; Cork and Galway are not rated, Father Ted is rated Mid while the Ireland national rugby union team is rated Top as is the War of the Grand Alliance. Let's try to decide on a consensus for the top tier articles to start with. What do you think? Cheers ww2censor 03:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Some or most 'Towns and villages' in the following counties remain to be done: Donegal, Mayo, Clare, Kerry and Cork - this is straightforward if tedious work. The suburbs of Dublin also need to be tagged - I have avoided that because we'll need some guidelines or else the issue of "importance" will cause heated disputes. ( Sarah777 23:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC))
(moved from ww2censor's talk page)
I'll do what I can when I can. My main interests are Irish politics (Republic of Ireland) and some related topics. I tend to be a bit sporadic with my time and some of what I contribute to. Rigger30 15:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Some of the above suggests that my joyously free distribution of project "nests" hasn't caused a problem with the statistical analyses and is ok. Is this correct? If so, are these "nests" accepted as helpful? Or is it preferred that I slung my hook and left well alone? (No offence will be taken.) BTW, has anyone looked at Wikipedia talk:Flagged revisions? Folks at 137 21:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
So it looks like for now we have Flowerpotman, Sarah, SeoR, Rigger30 and myself. If we can progress some basic criteria it would be good. Geographical guidelines seem easy enough, historical seem harder as do biographical though there we might tend to follow the Biography Projects decisions if they get there before we do. What other groups should we consider now; maybe organisations and companies.
First, we should decide on the unclassed FAs and GAs. BTW, Cillian Murphy became a GA today and I changed the template to {{ Irelandproj}} to show the "low" importance rating. ww2censor 02:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Here is the Biography Project's importance criteria that we can probably use as a basis for our own guidelines that will need to be rewritten somewhat:
Label | Criteria | Examples |
---|---|---|
Top | High probability that non-Historians would look this up. Limited to the top 200 biographies. Must have had a large impact outside of their main discipline, across several generations, and in the majority of the world. For instance, Einstein, brilliant physicist, but his theories have affected people outside of physics and in many other countries besides his nation of origin and several generations. His ideas have changed the way people think. No member should give this rating to any biography without first getting Project approval from the other members. | Albert Einstein |
High | Must have had a large impact in their main discipline, across a couple of generations. Had some impact outside their country of origin. | Patrick Henry |
Mid | Important in their discipline. | John Seigenthaler, Sr. |
Low | Subject is notable in their main discipline. | Morena Baccarin |
Label | Criteria | Gerneral biographies | Historic figures, presidents, politicians | Entertainers | Sports people |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Top | High probability that non-Historians would look this up. Limited to the top 5–10 biographies. Must have had a large impact outside of their main discipline, across several generations, and in the majority of the world. For instance, Joyce, affected people in many other countries besides Ireland and for several generations. Members should not give this rating to any biography without first getting Project approval from the other members. | James Joyce | Eamon de Valera | U2 | Barry McGuigan |
High | Must have had a large impact in their main discipline, across a couple of generations. Had some impact outside their country of origin. | Robert Boyle | Garrett Fitzgerald | Rory Gallagher | Roy Keane |
Mid | Important in their discipline. | Bram Stoker | Pat Rabbitte | Neil Jordan | Stephen Roche |
Low | Subject is notable in their main discipline. | Henry Kelly | Edward Guinness | Ciaran Bourke | Peter Lawrie |
Here is a shot at an importance guide for various geographical categories:
Label | Criteria | Cities, towns and villages | Mountains, Lakes and Rivers | Roads | Public Transport |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Top | High probability that general readers outside Ireland would look this up. Well known outside the country and important in the life and history of Ireland. | Dublin | River Shannon | The M50 | Ryanair |
High | Regarded as very important within the country, perhaps not well known abroad.
Counties or County Towns. |
Sligo | River Nore | The N7 road | Dublin Bus |
Mid | Local or regional importance in Ireland. Towns with over 10,000 people which are not officially Cities or County Towns. Lower importance national roads. | Bray | River Suck | The N62 | Luas |
Low | Towns and villages of importance within a county or even just a locality. Geographical features that would be well known to people with an interest in the topic only. Regional and local roads. | Dungarvan | River Derry | The R747 | Abbeyshrule |
( Sarah777 17:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC))
(deindent) I've did the counties last night and I have been using the full wikiproject template code, not the irelandproj one even when I am just adding am importance rating. It is just easier to have one template in my clipboard prefilled and then change any parameter that is needed. I've been following oddball categories and doing those as you guys seem to be lokiing at more mainstream categories. Perhaps wecould choose a variety of articles instead of all rivers in the rivers, mountains, lakes group. Well done. ww2censor 13:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I was assessing some article yesterday evening and using the "image-needed" code adding yes where there were no photos. This results in a category page showing the pages needing images, but did not find it linked anywhere. I also assessed some pages a "dab" but I cannot find any link to this page in the assessment page links or linked lists of categories. Maybe Flowerpotman can fix this. Cheers ww2censor 20:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
The new stats were created today, August 25, 2007, and it look like we assesses about 200 article in 3 days with most of them being given an importance rating. Looking good, but one question. How is it possible for Republic of Ireland to be rated A when it does not ever seem to have been a GA. It should of course be a GA or an FA with a "Top" importance. What do others think? ww2censor 01:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
Not aware that I've deleted any Irelandproj tags. Yesterday I added project tags to several Irish related articles (have a glance at my contributions list) and added the project nest to tidy up a bit. This may be the problem - it hides the project banner but just needs a click on the show button. What instances have you found? It would be carelessness and I apologise. BTW, have a look at the discussion on the talk page for Kildare Town - do you have a view? Folks at 137 06:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Just checked out Talk:Kildare Town myself. I see you've added a second Irelandproj banner. The original was not deleted: if you click on the "show" buttons, the individual banners are displayed. It's a device to avoid clutter as articles qualify for multiple projects. I'll leave you to tidy up as you see fit, but nests are in fairly common use in Wiki. Folks at 137 06:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Ww, not sure those nested tags work; better to leave the Irelandproj tags as well, like they do in Australia. ( Sarah777 01:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC))
From what I read yesterday the bot will find the project assessment class tags whether it is nested or not. We shall have to wait a day or two to see if it is picking up the new and revised tags that we have added to some pages. When the tag is nested editors need to watch out and not add a duplicate as has happened with a few pages, such as, Arklow had. Nested tags can only be used if the original tag is set up for nesting. This is completely separate from the use of a Banner-Shell that allows hiding of several project tags, be they regular tags, assessment tags or whatever. The issue with the "thoroughbred horse" tag seems to be that is is not set-up to allow nesting, but can still be incorporated into a Banner-Shell. ww2censor 23:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
WP 1.0 bot has done its job and the results are here and here. The updated article talk pages have been recorded, so Sarah777 you should be happy to know that. I don't agree with many of the importance levels for the FAs and GAs. We should really look at the importance ratings more closely. Only 2 of the 17 FAs have an importance rating and 2 of the 7 GAs are rated. The B class articles are rated all over the place; Cork and Galway are not rated, Father Ted is rated Mid while the Ireland national rugby union team is rated Top as is the War of the Grand Alliance. Let's try to decide on a consensus for the top tier articles to start with. What do you think? Cheers ww2censor 03:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Some or most 'Towns and villages' in the following counties remain to be done: Donegal, Mayo, Clare, Kerry and Cork - this is straightforward if tedious work. The suburbs of Dublin also need to be tagged - I have avoided that because we'll need some guidelines or else the issue of "importance" will cause heated disputes. ( Sarah777 23:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC))
(moved from ww2censor's talk page)
I'll do what I can when I can. My main interests are Irish politics (Republic of Ireland) and some related topics. I tend to be a bit sporadic with my time and some of what I contribute to. Rigger30 15:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Some of the above suggests that my joyously free distribution of project "nests" hasn't caused a problem with the statistical analyses and is ok. Is this correct? If so, are these "nests" accepted as helpful? Or is it preferred that I slung my hook and left well alone? (No offence will be taken.) BTW, has anyone looked at Wikipedia talk:Flagged revisions? Folks at 137 21:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
So it looks like for now we have Flowerpotman, Sarah, SeoR, Rigger30 and myself. If we can progress some basic criteria it would be good. Geographical guidelines seem easy enough, historical seem harder as do biographical though there we might tend to follow the Biography Projects decisions if they get there before we do. What other groups should we consider now; maybe organisations and companies.
First, we should decide on the unclassed FAs and GAs. BTW, Cillian Murphy became a GA today and I changed the template to {{ Irelandproj}} to show the "low" importance rating. ww2censor 02:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Here is the Biography Project's importance criteria that we can probably use as a basis for our own guidelines that will need to be rewritten somewhat:
Label | Criteria | Examples |
---|---|---|
Top | High probability that non-Historians would look this up. Limited to the top 200 biographies. Must have had a large impact outside of their main discipline, across several generations, and in the majority of the world. For instance, Einstein, brilliant physicist, but his theories have affected people outside of physics and in many other countries besides his nation of origin and several generations. His ideas have changed the way people think. No member should give this rating to any biography without first getting Project approval from the other members. | Albert Einstein |
High | Must have had a large impact in their main discipline, across a couple of generations. Had some impact outside their country of origin. | Patrick Henry |
Mid | Important in their discipline. | John Seigenthaler, Sr. |
Low | Subject is notable in their main discipline. | Morena Baccarin |
Label | Criteria | Gerneral biographies | Historic figures, presidents, politicians | Entertainers | Sports people |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Top | High probability that non-Historians would look this up. Limited to the top 5–10 biographies. Must have had a large impact outside of their main discipline, across several generations, and in the majority of the world. For instance, Joyce, affected people in many other countries besides Ireland and for several generations. Members should not give this rating to any biography without first getting Project approval from the other members. | James Joyce | Eamon de Valera | U2 | Barry McGuigan |
High | Must have had a large impact in their main discipline, across a couple of generations. Had some impact outside their country of origin. | Robert Boyle | Garrett Fitzgerald | Rory Gallagher | Roy Keane |
Mid | Important in their discipline. | Bram Stoker | Pat Rabbitte | Neil Jordan | Stephen Roche |
Low | Subject is notable in their main discipline. | Henry Kelly | Edward Guinness | Ciaran Bourke | Peter Lawrie |
Here is a shot at an importance guide for various geographical categories:
Label | Criteria | Cities, towns and villages | Mountains, Lakes and Rivers | Roads | Public Transport |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Top | High probability that general readers outside Ireland would look this up. Well known outside the country and important in the life and history of Ireland. | Dublin | River Shannon | The M50 | Ryanair |
High | Regarded as very important within the country, perhaps not well known abroad.
Counties or County Towns. |
Sligo | River Nore | The N7 road | Dublin Bus |
Mid | Local or regional importance in Ireland. Towns with over 10,000 people which are not officially Cities or County Towns. Lower importance national roads. | Bray | River Suck | The N62 | Luas |
Low | Towns and villages of importance within a county or even just a locality. Geographical features that would be well known to people with an interest in the topic only. Regional and local roads. | Dungarvan | River Derry | The R747 | Abbeyshrule |
( Sarah777 17:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC))
(deindent) I've did the counties last night and I have been using the full wikiproject template code, not the irelandproj one even when I am just adding am importance rating. It is just easier to have one template in my clipboard prefilled and then change any parameter that is needed. I've been following oddball categories and doing those as you guys seem to be lokiing at more mainstream categories. Perhaps wecould choose a variety of articles instead of all rivers in the rivers, mountains, lakes group. Well done. ww2censor 13:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I was assessing some article yesterday evening and using the "image-needed" code adding yes where there were no photos. This results in a category page showing the pages needing images, but did not find it linked anywhere. I also assessed some pages a "dab" but I cannot find any link to this page in the assessment page links or linked lists of categories. Maybe Flowerpotman can fix this. Cheers ww2censor 20:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
The new stats were created today, August 25, 2007, and it look like we assesses about 200 article in 3 days with most of them being given an importance rating. Looking good, but one question. How is it possible for Republic of Ireland to be rated A when it does not ever seem to have been a GA. It should of course be a GA or an FA with a "Top" importance. What do others think? ww2censor 01:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
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