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I think a few people should volunteer to copy edit a few articles this month to keep the backlog from growing too much. What does everybody else think? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 21:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm deliberately avoiding the backlog until the drive begins. I'm having no trouble finding untagged articles that need help as much as those on the list, with the additional benefit that the untagged sometimes have substance, which I'm finding less and less often on the tagged list. (If I have to edit another article about a deservedly obscure Indian village I may need a doctor's care.) If I can help in any other way to prepare for September, I'm all eyes and fingers. Lfstevens ( talk) 17:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Over at strategy:Proposal:Study_administrative_contributions we need editors willing to conduct short interviews of admin. If you'd like to help the WikiMedia Foundation study English Wikipedia, go check it out! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 03:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
We need to set a deadline to close all current voting that's going on. This is necessary as we need to send out our invite for the drive very soon. Before we do this, we need to set all our rules in place, and not change them after. So, if you want to vote for any items that are still open, please vote by 00:00 UTC August 15. Thanks. - S Masters ( talk) 06:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Further to our (now archived) discussions, we do not need the "Total 5K+ articles" listed. We can easily see and count how many articles are over 5K by scanning the list. However, we do need to know how many rollover credits a participant has. If not, we will have to go to the old drive and work this out for each participant, which is a lot of work. I propose we stick to what we did for the last drive (i.e. only have the totals from the last drive), or call them "Rollover articles from previous drive" and "Rollover words from previous drive". For the lifetime totals, I propose we setup a "Hall of Fame" page and those that are potential candidates put their lifetime totals there. This is a lot cleaner. We do not need to see someone's lifetime total for the entire duration of a current drive. It adds to the page load time and serves no purpose during the drive. - S Masters ( talk) 03:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Those who weren't awarded last drive because they didn't make 4000, should their word count be carried over? Ocean Shores 19:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Have the invites to this drive been sent out to all GOCE members yet? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 22:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
During July I was continually monitoring an Arbitration Committee case that illustrates what happens when people war about point of view on articles on controversial subjects. That case is winding down, at last, so I expect to have more time in September to work on copyediting less controversial articles. Meanwhile, I've joined the WikiProject Fact and Reference Check, which is my special passion. I don't care how clear and correct the English of an article is, if the article is full of unsourced baloney. But the tip on the main Guild page about Selecting articles for copy edit by category has helped me find articles for which I can fix both English and sourcing at the same time. That will help cut down the backlog. Best wishes to all of you as you fix articles. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk) 22:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but I hereby offer my resignation from this September 2010 drive. I've finally realized that I won't have the time for any of this when school starts next week. This year will be extremely busy. Thus I probably won't be able to get on until December. I wish upon all participants good luck, and may things go well without my assistance. Thank you for your understanding and consideration. Ocean Shores 17:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Ocean Shores has resigned (see above). As you may know, Ocean Shores was in charge of the spot checker committee. With them gone, we have nobody to head the committee. I'll be busy with both coordination stuff and school during the drive, and will only have time to spot check a couple editors, at best, so I couldn't replace Ocean Shores. Is there anybody here that would be willing to replace Ocean Shores as the leader of the spot checker committee? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 17:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
It seems that before they left, Ocean Shores sent out a couple newsletters. I'm going to need some help finding out who has already received the newsletter so I can send in a request to MDB. The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 20:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The bot does not know whether a user has received the invite or not. That's why I personally went through both the list of past drive participants and the category listing all GOCE members, checked the user's talk pages, and made sure they had not received an invite. The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 15:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for signing up for the Guild of Copy Editors September Backlog Elimination Drive! The copyedit backlog stretches back two years, all the way back to the summer of 2008! We're really going to need all the help we can muster to get it down to a manageable number. We've set a goal of clearing all of 2008 from the backlog, and getting the number of articles under 5000. In order to do that, we're going to need more participants. Is there anyone that you can invite or ask to participate with you? If so, please invite them to join the drive! Once again, thanks for your support! Regards, etc. etc. |
Copy edits, revisions, anyone? -- Diannaa ( Talk) 03:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for signing up for the Guild of Copy Editors September Backlog Elimination Drive! The copyedit backlog stretches back two years, all the way back to the summer of 2008! We're going to need all the help we can muster to reduce the backlog to a manageable number. We've set a goal of clearing all of 2008 from the backlog, and getting the total under 5000. In order to do that, we're going to need more participants. Please invite anyone that you can to join the drive! Once again, thanks for your support! If you have any questions, contact one of our coordinators— ɳorɑfʈ Talk!, The Raptor You rang?, or SMasters ( Talk). |
Backlog Elimination Drive Has Begun
Hello, I just wanted to take a moment and announce that the July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive has started, and will run for a month. Thanks for signing up. There's a special prize for most edits on the first day, in case you've got high ambitions. Enjoy!
-- Diannaa ( Talk) 03:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't know exactly what font you used for that invitation, or if it's just my computer, but I had a heck of a time reading that thing. Even though I have decent eyes I had to copy and paste it to a text a file so I could read it without bursting my head open! Just thought you would like to know... Bobnorwal ( talk) 13:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
If some of us are having problems reading it, perhaps we should use the default font for all newsletters and invites? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 14:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The yellow tag on the main page "Participants: Please add..." that looks exactly like a "new talk message" one is slightly annoying. I may be the only one who is bothered with such trivia, but every time I open the page I get a 2 second "oh gotta check... waaait." feeling. I couldn't find a better substitute though. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 09:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
For those of you who don't already know it, I've retired from Wikipedia, and have given up my spot as co-coordinator. It was a very hard decision, and I will miss all of you. Goodbye. The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 17:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
The main page says nothing about how to list your articles. We probably should... Lfstevens ( talk) 05:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Many of the articles in need of copyediting have large bulleted lists of text which need to be recast in prose. One article in particular I was going to work on OMA DRM has significant chunks of the article in bullets. The word counting script (rightly) doesn't count words in bulleted lists, as they are not considered "readable prose" by WP:SIZE [1]. Would it be "cheating" for the purposes of the drive, to pull that text out of bullets first, then get the word count and use that number for "credit" in the drive? I don't want to do anything unethical, but I also want to earn some shiny things. :) -- Livitup ( talk) 17:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Man, I did a big giant Fu-Bar on all names below mine on the list!! To whomever fixed my goof-up.....thanks!! Buddpaul ( talk) 15:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The {{GOCE article list}} template has items for Completed and Working, but how about a third list for pages that an editor has inspected and then applied the {{GOCEreviewed}} tag because the page is such a mess there's nowhere to begin a copy edit? You know the type... I'm thinking of one I found on the list today that was about a Soviet jet engine: a bad translation, from a Slavic language, of highly technical source material. Any substantial copy-edit would've stood a good chance of mangling the technical meanings, since I'm not an aerospace engineer. In that case, the GOCEreviewed tag drew the attention of the aerospace WikiProject folks and the article was essentially scrapped... but it would be nice to be able to share that hey, I did look at the thing and took a stab at it... just for peer acknowledgement, if nothing else. (Maybe bonus points for causing articles to disappear off the list by deletion/merge/instigating major revision by third party?) // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 23:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Participants editing a 10k word article may claim credit for two 5k plus articles on the leaderboard. Participants editing a 15k work article may claim credit for three. Participants still count the article as a single article in their tally. Whomever is in charge of the newsletter which traditionally comes out at the halfway mark, please make sure this announcement goes in. Thanks! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 16:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I started on one of the July 2008 articles the day before the drive commenced. How great to come by this page and find that it has been completed. You rock! Rich Farmbrough, 18:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC).
As a side note, it would be great if Barnstar delivery upon drive completion could provide a unique section name, such as, "Copy Editors September Drive something" rather than plain "Barnstar". There is a quite good chance that users may already have a section called that. Very nitpicky, but just a nice touch to keep in mind, as this is copyeditors guild after all. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 01:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at this:
It starts off on August 31, then continues into September, but that's when it suddenly changes to July. I don't know much about editing the charts, so how do we fix this? The Utahraptor My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors
Backlog Elimination Drive! Here is an update on the happenings in the Drive as we reach the halfway point.
Participation Report - We have 71 participants in the September drive. 95 people signed up for the July drive, and in May we had 36. Progress Report - We have been making solid progress in eliminating the 2008 articles from the backlog so far. If we continue to focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue. Overall volumes are lower than expected, though, with nearly a thousand articles yet to be done if we are to meet our overall target. If you have not yet participated in the drive, we recommend you do so. If each person who signed up edits one article per day from now till the end of the month we can eliminate another 1,065 articles from the backlog. All contributions are appreciated. Announcement: credit for 10k+ articles - Participants editing a 10k word article may claim credit for two 5k plus articles on the leaderboard. Those that edit a 15k work article may claim credit for three. Regardless, the article should still be counted as a single article in the tallies. Reminder: - Articles from the Requests page can be included in your tally, even if they do not have a copy edit tag. This is a great place to go if you are interested in finding a higher quality article to work on. This newsletter was prepared for the GOCE by Diannaa ( Talk), S Masters ( talk), and The Raptor Let's talk. |
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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors
Backlog Elimination Drive!
Participation Report - We have 71 participants in the September drive. 95 people signed up for the July drive, and in May we had 36. Progress Report - We have been making solid progress in eliminating the 2008 articles from the backlog so far. If we continue to focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue. Overall volumes are lower than expected, though, with nearly a thousand articles yet to be d.. .. .. |
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So... sometimes the "article needs copy-editing" tag is on an old nag that doesn't need an editor, it needs a spiritualist, because the only way anyone is going to figure out how to "make it say what it means and mean what it says" is to contact the netherworld for guidance.
What's the line where it's appropriate to remove {{copyedit}} and instead put in a straight-up {{cleanup-rewrite}}?
For me, it was last night. After an hour and a half trying to slog through Empire of Japan (internal politics 1914–1944), I gave up, made the tag switch, and tossed in {{Incoherent}} for good measure.
Let me explain: I took a very advanced Asian-history class in my senior year of high school, and a lot of it stuck with me—I had an excellent teacher. I still have all my textbooks from that class. I had one of them at my side. I looked up sister articles on Wikipedia. I searched the web. With all of that, I was lucky to divine the meaning of the Engrish on that page one sentence out of three; and I was pretty sure I was altering the true meaning of at least one sentence out of four. When I got to the point that I could no longer be sure that I could edit the article into anything resembling fact based on the content already in place, I said "There is no way this is a 'copy-edit' job. This is a major rewrite job," and I changed the tags.
(If you think I was wrong to do this, now's your chance to tell me!)
I don't like giving up on an article. Heck, I really hated giving up the word count on that article! I've salvaged some dogs in my time... I grew up with Mom editing the local all-volunteer newspaper, I helped her on and off for years, and boy, do you see some doozies when you're so desperate for column-inches that you'll take articles from any pensioner with a pencil. But I'll admit Empire of Japan (internal politics 1914–1944) kicked my butt. // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 01:39, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
This article is listed in the August 2008 batch. I went to have a look at it today and discovered that I already copy edited it in July 2010. My edits were undone the next day, which means that the copy edit tag was placed back on the article at that time. BUT the article that you see today bears practically no resemblance to the article I copy edited back in July. I wonder what is the point of copy editing this article or having a copy edit tag on it at all, if it just continually changes from one krappy state to another in spite of our efforts. There may be thousands of articles about India/Pakistan with this problem on Wikipedia. Comments or feedback would be appreciated. -- Diannaa ( Talk) 05:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
During the drive I have received two requests to CE pages via my talk page. I've told the requestors that I'm participating in this drive, and so my CE work during September is focused on eliminating articles from 2008. But then I read in the newsletter (if I'm interpreting correctly) that pages from the GOCE request page are fine, and count towards your totals for the drive. I thought that I was constrained to articles from 2008... So some simple questions:
I expect the answers are Yes, and No, but I just wanted to confirm. Thanks! Livit⇑ Eh?/ What? 15:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Paul M. Nguyen asked me about an editing habit of mine, and it occurs to me that the reasoning behind it might have a broader interest.
While working on articles for the drive, I habitually add both {{GOCEinuse}} and {{Inuse}} to the article as I start editing it. This rightfully struck Paul as redundant, and briefly worried him that two editors were working on the same article, as neither tag takes a user parameter.
Why do I do this?
I talked with one bot author about this, and he recommended the {{Inuse}} tag. He seemed puzzled as to why the Guild would need its own version of the tag, and didn't have any plan to update his bot to recognize our variant.
I'd be the first to agree that this is an inelegant solution and doesn't really look good on pages that are under edit, but it is what it is... // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 13:14, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hi all
Apologies for my unexplained absence - I had flu after a family holiday and the my PC became infected with a few viruses of their own! I also had problems with my ISP after a failed modem was replaced with one which also failed !
Everything seems fixed now and so I should be back to my usual self and carry on with my important Wikiwork !
Apologies for not communicating - as I am pretty housebound with arthritis I have little chance to access via other PCs
Chaosdruid ( talk) 16:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Guys, from what I'm seeing, either suddenly all of the advanced copyeditors dropped off to sleep, they're busy, or I'm the only guy tackling the large amount of articles clogging the requests page. Can you come on over? I need some help! WikiCopter Radio ChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 02:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
if you edit an articel from the list before the drive begins would it still count? Lihaas ( talk) 07:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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I think a few people should volunteer to copy edit a few articles this month to keep the backlog from growing too much. What does everybody else think? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 21:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm deliberately avoiding the backlog until the drive begins. I'm having no trouble finding untagged articles that need help as much as those on the list, with the additional benefit that the untagged sometimes have substance, which I'm finding less and less often on the tagged list. (If I have to edit another article about a deservedly obscure Indian village I may need a doctor's care.) If I can help in any other way to prepare for September, I'm all eyes and fingers. Lfstevens ( talk) 17:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Over at strategy:Proposal:Study_administrative_contributions we need editors willing to conduct short interviews of admin. If you'd like to help the WikiMedia Foundation study English Wikipedia, go check it out! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 03:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
We need to set a deadline to close all current voting that's going on. This is necessary as we need to send out our invite for the drive very soon. Before we do this, we need to set all our rules in place, and not change them after. So, if you want to vote for any items that are still open, please vote by 00:00 UTC August 15. Thanks. - S Masters ( talk) 06:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Further to our (now archived) discussions, we do not need the "Total 5K+ articles" listed. We can easily see and count how many articles are over 5K by scanning the list. However, we do need to know how many rollover credits a participant has. If not, we will have to go to the old drive and work this out for each participant, which is a lot of work. I propose we stick to what we did for the last drive (i.e. only have the totals from the last drive), or call them "Rollover articles from previous drive" and "Rollover words from previous drive". For the lifetime totals, I propose we setup a "Hall of Fame" page and those that are potential candidates put their lifetime totals there. This is a lot cleaner. We do not need to see someone's lifetime total for the entire duration of a current drive. It adds to the page load time and serves no purpose during the drive. - S Masters ( talk) 03:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Those who weren't awarded last drive because they didn't make 4000, should their word count be carried over? Ocean Shores 19:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Have the invites to this drive been sent out to all GOCE members yet? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 22:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
During July I was continually monitoring an Arbitration Committee case that illustrates what happens when people war about point of view on articles on controversial subjects. That case is winding down, at last, so I expect to have more time in September to work on copyediting less controversial articles. Meanwhile, I've joined the WikiProject Fact and Reference Check, which is my special passion. I don't care how clear and correct the English of an article is, if the article is full of unsourced baloney. But the tip on the main Guild page about Selecting articles for copy edit by category has helped me find articles for which I can fix both English and sourcing at the same time. That will help cut down the backlog. Best wishes to all of you as you fix articles. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk) 22:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but I hereby offer my resignation from this September 2010 drive. I've finally realized that I won't have the time for any of this when school starts next week. This year will be extremely busy. Thus I probably won't be able to get on until December. I wish upon all participants good luck, and may things go well without my assistance. Thank you for your understanding and consideration. Ocean Shores 17:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Ocean Shores has resigned (see above). As you may know, Ocean Shores was in charge of the spot checker committee. With them gone, we have nobody to head the committee. I'll be busy with both coordination stuff and school during the drive, and will only have time to spot check a couple editors, at best, so I couldn't replace Ocean Shores. Is there anybody here that would be willing to replace Ocean Shores as the leader of the spot checker committee? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 17:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
It seems that before they left, Ocean Shores sent out a couple newsletters. I'm going to need some help finding out who has already received the newsletter so I can send in a request to MDB. The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 20:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The bot does not know whether a user has received the invite or not. That's why I personally went through both the list of past drive participants and the category listing all GOCE members, checked the user's talk pages, and made sure they had not received an invite. The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 15:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for signing up for the Guild of Copy Editors September Backlog Elimination Drive! The copyedit backlog stretches back two years, all the way back to the summer of 2008! We're really going to need all the help we can muster to get it down to a manageable number. We've set a goal of clearing all of 2008 from the backlog, and getting the number of articles under 5000. In order to do that, we're going to need more participants. Is there anyone that you can invite or ask to participate with you? If so, please invite them to join the drive! Once again, thanks for your support! Regards, etc. etc. |
Copy edits, revisions, anyone? -- Diannaa ( Talk) 03:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for signing up for the Guild of Copy Editors September Backlog Elimination Drive! The copyedit backlog stretches back two years, all the way back to the summer of 2008! We're going to need all the help we can muster to reduce the backlog to a manageable number. We've set a goal of clearing all of 2008 from the backlog, and getting the total under 5000. In order to do that, we're going to need more participants. Please invite anyone that you can to join the drive! Once again, thanks for your support! If you have any questions, contact one of our coordinators— ɳorɑfʈ Talk!, The Raptor You rang?, or SMasters ( Talk). |
Backlog Elimination Drive Has Begun
Hello, I just wanted to take a moment and announce that the July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive has started, and will run for a month. Thanks for signing up. There's a special prize for most edits on the first day, in case you've got high ambitions. Enjoy!
-- Diannaa ( Talk) 03:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't know exactly what font you used for that invitation, or if it's just my computer, but I had a heck of a time reading that thing. Even though I have decent eyes I had to copy and paste it to a text a file so I could read it without bursting my head open! Just thought you would like to know... Bobnorwal ( talk) 13:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
If some of us are having problems reading it, perhaps we should use the default font for all newsletters and invites? The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 14:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The yellow tag on the main page "Participants: Please add..." that looks exactly like a "new talk message" one is slightly annoying. I may be the only one who is bothered with such trivia, but every time I open the page I get a 2 second "oh gotta check... waaait." feeling. I couldn't find a better substitute though. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 09:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
For those of you who don't already know it, I've retired from Wikipedia, and have given up my spot as co-coordinator. It was a very hard decision, and I will miss all of you. Goodbye. The Raptor You rang?/ My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 17:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
The main page says nothing about how to list your articles. We probably should... Lfstevens ( talk) 05:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Many of the articles in need of copyediting have large bulleted lists of text which need to be recast in prose. One article in particular I was going to work on OMA DRM has significant chunks of the article in bullets. The word counting script (rightly) doesn't count words in bulleted lists, as they are not considered "readable prose" by WP:SIZE [1]. Would it be "cheating" for the purposes of the drive, to pull that text out of bullets first, then get the word count and use that number for "credit" in the drive? I don't want to do anything unethical, but I also want to earn some shiny things. :) -- Livitup ( talk) 17:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Man, I did a big giant Fu-Bar on all names below mine on the list!! To whomever fixed my goof-up.....thanks!! Buddpaul ( talk) 15:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The {{GOCE article list}} template has items for Completed and Working, but how about a third list for pages that an editor has inspected and then applied the {{GOCEreviewed}} tag because the page is such a mess there's nowhere to begin a copy edit? You know the type... I'm thinking of one I found on the list today that was about a Soviet jet engine: a bad translation, from a Slavic language, of highly technical source material. Any substantial copy-edit would've stood a good chance of mangling the technical meanings, since I'm not an aerospace engineer. In that case, the GOCEreviewed tag drew the attention of the aerospace WikiProject folks and the article was essentially scrapped... but it would be nice to be able to share that hey, I did look at the thing and took a stab at it... just for peer acknowledgement, if nothing else. (Maybe bonus points for causing articles to disappear off the list by deletion/merge/instigating major revision by third party?) // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 23:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Participants editing a 10k word article may claim credit for two 5k plus articles on the leaderboard. Participants editing a 15k work article may claim credit for three. Participants still count the article as a single article in their tally. Whomever is in charge of the newsletter which traditionally comes out at the halfway mark, please make sure this announcement goes in. Thanks! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 16:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I started on one of the July 2008 articles the day before the drive commenced. How great to come by this page and find that it has been completed. You rock! Rich Farmbrough, 18:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC).
As a side note, it would be great if Barnstar delivery upon drive completion could provide a unique section name, such as, "Copy Editors September Drive something" rather than plain "Barnstar". There is a quite good chance that users may already have a section called that. Very nitpicky, but just a nice touch to keep in mind, as this is copyeditors guild after all. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 01:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at this:
It starts off on August 31, then continues into September, but that's when it suddenly changes to July. I don't know much about editing the charts, so how do we fix this? The Utahraptor My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors
Backlog Elimination Drive! Here is an update on the happenings in the Drive as we reach the halfway point.
Participation Report - We have 71 participants in the September drive. 95 people signed up for the July drive, and in May we had 36. Progress Report - We have been making solid progress in eliminating the 2008 articles from the backlog so far. If we continue to focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue. Overall volumes are lower than expected, though, with nearly a thousand articles yet to be done if we are to meet our overall target. If you have not yet participated in the drive, we recommend you do so. If each person who signed up edits one article per day from now till the end of the month we can eliminate another 1,065 articles from the backlog. All contributions are appreciated. Announcement: credit for 10k+ articles - Participants editing a 10k word article may claim credit for two 5k plus articles on the leaderboard. Those that edit a 15k work article may claim credit for three. Regardless, the article should still be counted as a single article in the tallies. Reminder: - Articles from the Requests page can be included in your tally, even if they do not have a copy edit tag. This is a great place to go if you are interested in finding a higher quality article to work on. This newsletter was prepared for the GOCE by Diannaa ( Talk), S Masters ( talk), and The Raptor Let's talk. |
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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors
Backlog Elimination Drive!
Participation Report - We have 71 participants in the September drive. 95 people signed up for the July drive, and in May we had 36. Progress Report - We have been making solid progress in eliminating the 2008 articles from the backlog so far. If we continue to focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue. Overall volumes are lower than expected, though, with nearly a thousand articles yet to be d.. .. .. |
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So... sometimes the "article needs copy-editing" tag is on an old nag that doesn't need an editor, it needs a spiritualist, because the only way anyone is going to figure out how to "make it say what it means and mean what it says" is to contact the netherworld for guidance.
What's the line where it's appropriate to remove {{copyedit}} and instead put in a straight-up {{cleanup-rewrite}}?
For me, it was last night. After an hour and a half trying to slog through Empire of Japan (internal politics 1914–1944), I gave up, made the tag switch, and tossed in {{Incoherent}} for good measure.
Let me explain: I took a very advanced Asian-history class in my senior year of high school, and a lot of it stuck with me—I had an excellent teacher. I still have all my textbooks from that class. I had one of them at my side. I looked up sister articles on Wikipedia. I searched the web. With all of that, I was lucky to divine the meaning of the Engrish on that page one sentence out of three; and I was pretty sure I was altering the true meaning of at least one sentence out of four. When I got to the point that I could no longer be sure that I could edit the article into anything resembling fact based on the content already in place, I said "There is no way this is a 'copy-edit' job. This is a major rewrite job," and I changed the tags.
(If you think I was wrong to do this, now's your chance to tell me!)
I don't like giving up on an article. Heck, I really hated giving up the word count on that article! I've salvaged some dogs in my time... I grew up with Mom editing the local all-volunteer newspaper, I helped her on and off for years, and boy, do you see some doozies when you're so desperate for column-inches that you'll take articles from any pensioner with a pencil. But I'll admit Empire of Japan (internal politics 1914–1944) kicked my butt. // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 01:39, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
This article is listed in the August 2008 batch. I went to have a look at it today and discovered that I already copy edited it in July 2010. My edits were undone the next day, which means that the copy edit tag was placed back on the article at that time. BUT the article that you see today bears practically no resemblance to the article I copy edited back in July. I wonder what is the point of copy editing this article or having a copy edit tag on it at all, if it just continually changes from one krappy state to another in spite of our efforts. There may be thousands of articles about India/Pakistan with this problem on Wikipedia. Comments or feedback would be appreciated. -- Diannaa ( Talk) 05:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
During the drive I have received two requests to CE pages via my talk page. I've told the requestors that I'm participating in this drive, and so my CE work during September is focused on eliminating articles from 2008. But then I read in the newsletter (if I'm interpreting correctly) that pages from the GOCE request page are fine, and count towards your totals for the drive. I thought that I was constrained to articles from 2008... So some simple questions:
I expect the answers are Yes, and No, but I just wanted to confirm. Thanks! Livit⇑ Eh?/ What? 15:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Paul M. Nguyen asked me about an editing habit of mine, and it occurs to me that the reasoning behind it might have a broader interest.
While working on articles for the drive, I habitually add both {{GOCEinuse}} and {{Inuse}} to the article as I start editing it. This rightfully struck Paul as redundant, and briefly worried him that two editors were working on the same article, as neither tag takes a user parameter.
Why do I do this?
I talked with one bot author about this, and he recommended the {{Inuse}} tag. He seemed puzzled as to why the Guild would need its own version of the tag, and didn't have any plan to update his bot to recognize our variant.
I'd be the first to agree that this is an inelegant solution and doesn't really look good on pages that are under edit, but it is what it is... // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 13:14, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hi all
Apologies for my unexplained absence - I had flu after a family holiday and the my PC became infected with a few viruses of their own! I also had problems with my ISP after a failed modem was replaced with one which also failed !
Everything seems fixed now and so I should be back to my usual self and carry on with my important Wikiwork !
Apologies for not communicating - as I am pretty housebound with arthritis I have little chance to access via other PCs
Chaosdruid ( talk) 16:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Guys, from what I'm seeing, either suddenly all of the advanced copyeditors dropped off to sleep, they're busy, or I'm the only guy tackling the large amount of articles clogging the requests page. Can you come on over? I need some help! WikiCopter Radio ChecklistFormerly AirplanePro 02:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
if you edit an articel from the list before the drive begins would it still count? Lihaas ( talk) 07:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)