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Hi all. You may be interested to know that Alex Bakharev has just made a new very interesting bot, User:AlexNewArtBot, which may immensely help lessening the amount of work in Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/New articles.-- Aldux 15:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The article titles concerning the various factions of the Greek Civil War (EDES, ELAS, EAM etc) are in a transliterated form of the Greek name, which is not only difficult for a non-Greek speaker to remember or use, but also contrary to established practice (e.g. for political parties). I suggest moving them to their corresponding English titles, e.g. National People's Liberation Army for ELAS. Regards, Cplakidas 23:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have created a mere stub for Greek police. I intend to work on it more, incorporating stuff from el:Ελληνική Αστυνομία, however I must go to sleep (strange ideas I have, creating stubs at wikipedia at 5.30 in the morning...) If anyone feels like it please feel free to add to the stub. Also, wikilinking to it from related articles would be great. -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 03:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The current {{ Infobox Town GR}} template for municipalities is being updated, see {{ Infobox Greek Dimos}}. We think it's almost ready for launch (it's easy to convert the old infobox into the new one, which has nice new features). Please add your comments on the template talk page. Markussep 18:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
This image is marked for future oblivion. Anyone interested please make your point(s) at its talk page voting to keep or delete. Many thanks. Dr.K. 19:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
So, the results may be impressive, but where are we going from now on? These are some of my thoughts:
These are just some of my thoughts. I hope that they may be helpful.-- Yannismarou 13:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Without intending to end the above discussion, I just wanted to inform that I reorganized and restructured the review section, in order to offer to the users a complete image of all our articles under review.-- Yannismarou 12:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
On the project page, under "Infoboxes" we've got {{ Greek}} as the infobox for Greek prime ministers. Firstly, I disagree with naming an infobox "Greek" when it is specifically for prime ministers. But, perhaps more importantly, the template already exists and it is used for a "person, place, or concept whose name is originally rendered in the Greek alphabet" and it's a banner. I would've edited the page already but, I'm hesitant to edit the main project page, without discussion, when it's not a blatant issue. -- Kimon talk 14:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I took the initiative to create a sub-page for the members; and per our discussion above I seperated us in active and inactive members (I saw no objection in doing that); I'll periodically check the list, and everybody else of course can do the same thing.
About the barnstar: Kimon, I think we should make the test page of yours with the template of the barnstar official. Improvements in the design are welcome, but for the time being I don't see any "radical" ideas (personally, I realised that I am incompetent with Photoshop!). Hence I think it is acceptable and nice. What do you say? Are we going to include it in the main page?-- Yannismarou 10:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Deucalionite has tried to create a Category:Dab-Class Greek articles, apparently as a complement to the project assessment scheme, intended to list disambiguation pages within the scope of the project. - Do we want such a category? I'm not really convinced of its use; Deucalionite seems unclear about how to realise it technically (but he seems not to want to be on speaking terms with me, so I can't discuss it with him). If project members see a use for it, fine, otherwise I'll propose it for deletion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I moved, after three weeks with no objections, the article on Halkidiki to that spelling, from the long-obsolete Chalcidice. I give some more argument for why this makes sense on Talk:Halkidiki. Someone, presumably a classicist who prefers the old spelling, has now objected on the talk page, so additional people weighing in would be helpful. Thanks. -- Delirium 20:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone, a discuss is going on at WPMILHIST about wether or not an Ottoman task force should be created. Since this subject seems to go hand in hand with some Greek articles, I thought this would be a good place to past a message. If you are intrested please ggo to WPMILHIST and show your support. Geia. Kyriakos 09:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Synoecism has been tagged "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards" since November 2005. "The oldest cleanup requests are the highest priority, to prevent embarrassing problems from going unfixed for an indefinite length of time" [1]. IMHO, the article is just barely keep-worthy, but (IMHO) the "needs cleanup" is very appropriate. Anybody care to take a look? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 06:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've just AfD'ed Gerasimos Kalogerakis. Perhaps you may want to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerasimos Kalogerakis. -- Pjacobi 20:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Inspired by the above AfD information, I decided to revive and update the Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Greece. I also think about to include in the project's sidebar, so as any member of the project to have immediate access to it.-- Yannismarou 15:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I think about mentioning in the project's main page ("Showcase") that A-Class articles are "articles with GA status or articles that have successfully passed an A-Class review by a wikiproject, which are considered to provide a well-written and complete treatment of the topic". In this way I want to make clear than only GA articles or articles that have been reviewed for A-Class status (we don't yet have such a review, but WP:MILHIST has for instance) should be rated as A. Is there any objection to this proposal?-- Yannismarou 10:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Boeotia has been looking for a map since at least 11 September 2006. Can anybody create one? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 12:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
"Actually, the to-do page is currently transcluded in at least two places, here and at the Greece portal. But in any case, the fact that this went unnoticed for so long indicates it doesn't get that many readers, right? And the whole noticeboard page has been pretty inactive too for a while. Maybe the whole thing should be merged into the (much more active) WikiProject? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Future Perfect at Sunrise ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
I bring here the discussion which started in the Greek Wikipedians' notice board, in order to possibly have further input and to verify consensus. Do we agree to replace {{ WPGreeceOpenTasks}} with {{ Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board/to do}}?-- Yannismarou 08:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
(new section for this)
And we must also work on our portal. It is terrible! With the necessary amount of work we could make it feautured.--
Yannismarou
08:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick question, can we move Template:WPGreece to a four letter acronym like {{ WPAM}}, {{ WPTR}} or {{ WPBG}}? It is just because when I am tagging the articles I constantly get confused over where the template actually is. I was using the WPHOG code for a while, then it got merged with WikiProject Greece! (and WPHOG was case sensitive, or something like that) So what would be the best acronym? (the others would be redirects anyways) Baristarim 12:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
moved from above into this new section
How about this barnstar? -- Odysses (☜) 10:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
(Partly inspired by Kimon's username): I'd replace the whole thing with a kion in the Ionic order. Shall I work on it? Niko Silver 15:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a technical question, since I am not that familiar with wiki regulations. Is it permited to use images like this for test purposes in talk pages? It will make things easier -- Odysses (☜) 16:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Me likes. What do you think of my pillar on the left? Too minimal? Niko Silver 11:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I was working on the Greece article, and that See also section, kept bothering me, so I found a nice see also Template (Germany's) and used it for Greece's. Take a look: {{ Greece topics}}. Check it out, and if there is anything that needs changing you can go ahead and change it or just tell me. I personally think the page looks much better now than before with the template. El Greco 22:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone from the project take a look at the article Nikos Tzouannis? I'm not sure that he meets WP:BIO but I'd rather not pass that judgement since obviously I might be seriously underestimating the importance of this sports journalist. Please submit it to AfD if you feel that he does not meet our criteria for inclusion. Thanks! Pascal.Tesson 02:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Now this is what I call a seriously distorted article] Odysses (☜) 15:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Category:Greek and Roman astronomers is being proposed to be renamed category:ancient roman astronomers 132.205.44.134 00:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've updated our project template {{ WPGR}} with the auto parameter. Before I can submit a request to a bot operator to add this project I need to get consensus. The articles will be automatically assessed as stub quality and placed in the category Category:Automatically assessed Greece articles. The list of articles will be retrieved from Category:Unassessed Greek articles. What does the membership here think? -- Kimon talk 21:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The request was successful and now
MartinBotIII will be tagging all unassessed WPGR articles with the parameters: class=Stub|auto=yes
provided that that they fulfill one of the following criteria:
All articles will be listed under Category:Automatically assessed Greek articles where they can be reviewed and reassessed or have the "auto" removed. -- Kimon talk 12:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I updated the notice board and included in our project per the discussion above. I suppose Template:WPGreeceOpenTasks is heading towards deletion now. Please, check the changes and additions I did to the notice board, and do not hesitate to further improve it and modify it.-- Yannismarou 17:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Parthenon is in danger to lose its start. I think it is a matter of urgent priority. Unfortunately, on Saturday I'm leaving from Greece for ten days, during which I'll have no access to computer. Until I am back, if no improvements are done, Parthenon will be in FARC. As you may have already understood, my time is very limited right now (not only because of the journey). I'll try to do my best with the article, but, please, have a look at the relevant FARC page, and help the article so as not to lose its star. I think the main problem right now is the lack of inline citations.-- Yannismarou 08:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Parthenon has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
What are the project's guidelines on setting an article's priority? -- Kimon talk 18:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Label | Criteria | Examples |
Top | Article is extremely important, even crucial, to its specific field. Reserved for articles that have achieved international notability within its subject or field. | Australia |
High | Article is extremely notable, but has not achieved international notability, or is only notable within a particular continent. | Manchester City F.C. |
Mid | Article is only notable within its particular field or subject and has achieved notability in a particular place or area. | 0.999... |
Low | Subject is not particularly notable or significant even within its field of study. It may only be included to cover a specific part of a notable article. | Chrono Cross |
I set up a a temporary table here consolidating the input from everyone above. Feel free to edit it and when we think it's done, we can publish it. -- Kimon talk 22:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Since this topic has been quiet for a while, I took it as consensus and have updated the template and the category. I still need to update the assessment page. -- Kimon talk 18:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Look at all the articles that contain the WP:Greece template (in the talk page), it seems like someone has screwed up the syntax, and I have no clue how to fix it. Can some one please fix it? El Greco ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Which look is preferable, the one the template currently has or this one: User:Kimon/WPGR? -- Kimon talk 21:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Besides the template, I remind to the project's members that two more interesting issues are still open:
Please, check the relevant discussions above and express your mind. Thanks!-- Yannismarou 17:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we should consider several images in order to have a wider variety to choose from. I have started a gallery here and I invite you all to add your own proposed images. Odysses (☜) 13:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
copied from above
Should we have a project called "WikiProject Hellenism" which would cover everything Hellenic while this project would specialize on Greece-only articles? Much like
WikiProject Jewish History and
WikiProject Israel. --
Kimon
talk
17:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
So, if I'm reading the above correctly, the first task that needs to be accomplished is an acceptable article on
Hellenism (could this be our collaboration of the week/fortnight/month?). Then, probably rename this project to
WikiProject Hellenism. After that, we can discuss creating either new projects or task-forces for "Greece", "Byzantine Empire", "Ottoman period", etc.
Is that accurate? --
Kimon
talk
18:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at Greek-American organized crime. The problem with the title is that it is ambiguous, it appears to link Greek Americans with the notion of " organized crime" implying guilt by association. A better heading may be Greek Americans and organized crime or some other more neutral heading you may wish to suggest. I have tried to do the same with Jewish-American organized crime by changing it to American Jews and organized crime but I was reverted, see Talk:Jewish-American organized crime#Recent page move. Only three articles in Category:Organized crime groups have this kind of "title": African-American organized crime; Greek-American organized crime and Jewish-American organized crime. So will there be 134 articles in the future about "Foo organized crime" for all 134 categories in Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and indeed for every class of human on Earth without hypocrisy??? Note how there is no article for Italian American organized crime as it's simply and correctly called Mafia. African Americans and Jewish Americans are not connected with organized crime as "representatives" or "symbols" of their race or religion. Every group has its criminals. So what else is new. Sure there are " gangs" just as there are Category:Mafia gangs in Category:Mafia groups (and by the way, if there are such African American or Jewish American gangs or groups then name them, but let's not leave it as if "guilt" is being laid at the door of all Greek Americans, African Americans or Jewish Americans etc), but the titles Greek-American organized crime or Jewish-American organized crime makes it sound, way, way bigger than it is in reality, and could easily slip into racism and antisemitism if not handled in a scrupulously WP:NPOV manner 100% of the time! The job of Wikipedia should not be to magnify the problem which is called POV editing, but to depict things accurately as they are. Please add your views. Thank you, IZAK 00:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
As part of our project's continuous effort to recruit new members and trying to mimic what other projects have done to invite folks, I've created this template: {{ User:Kimon/WPGRInvite}}. Let me know what you think and if it's overkill. I just figure it's a quick and easy way to send invites and newbies may like the banner :) -- Kimon talk 15:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Greetings. On the Peisistratos page someone had added the text "(Check Link)" after the link to Hippocrates, and on further investigation I found that not only was that not the article on his father but none of the people named Hippocrates on the disambiguation page were the right one, either. So I searched the net for information on his father and created a new article, Hippocrates, father of Peisistratos and then fixed the link in Peisistratos to point to it.
While I was at it, I came across a link to this project on the talk page of another article. It seemed appropriate, so I put the same notice on the talk page of my new article, thus making it part of this project. I hope that's all right; it's late, and I was being bold. I did not add it to the list of new articles for this project as there was some mention there of a bot that does that, and I was afraid of messing things up. Cheers! -- DavidConrad 06:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I was working the Wikfication backlog and came upon this article, and I think I lack the context to evaluate it. Is it original research that needs to be deleted, or a legitimate article that should be improved? Help from someone who knows a bit more about the subject would be... er... helpful. - FisherQueen ( Talk) 19:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Byzantine Empire has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done some editing on Opium, with an eye toward trying to understand its historical use in anaesthesia. I still don't understand how the spongia sominfera actually worked. I'm also curious why it didn't seem to lead to the same sorts of problems with addiction as were seen in the past few centuries. If the article is of interest to your project, or if you have suggestions, thanks! Mike Serfas 01:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The Corfu article keeps getting rated as start class after its original classification as B class. It also gets rated as Mid importance after its original classification as top importance. I think we need a discussion on these two subjects to avoid any future edit reversals. Please address any comments on the discussion page of the Corfu article. Thanks. Dr.K. 19:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know where you guys put article requests, but I would like to ask for
related to Greek Scouting. Chris 02:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently created article on Liberation Army of Chameria is considered for deletion. As there are apparently only a few sources in English languagewhich speak about it, help from someone who has access to Greek sources would be very welcome. Nikola 06:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
How do I sign up?! Tourskin 23:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello people: the article in Minoan Civilization is damaged by propagandists.
I give them the source: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/laws.1.i.html
And they decline it as being my original reseacrh.
They write that the term Minos was coined by Evans and that the Greks adopted it after Evans used it.
This source provides the proof that Plato used it some centuries before Evans and they decline it, because as they say , consensus has not been achieved.
Look do something.
Also they write that the Mycenean Culture replaced the Minoan, i remove the term culture and put there Kingdom for these reasons:
a) Pottery is vastly similar b) The Language (Linear A) has been deciphered using Linear B(Mycenean Greek) c) Plato considers Minos as the one responsible for the Cretan Laws of his time, in this Book the Laws as sourced above.
All these 3 facts lead us to the conclusion, that the Minoan culture was not replaced by the Mycenean, but that the Kingdom was replaced, not the culture, for the culture is similar, how can you replace a vastly similar culture with an "alien" vastly similar culture?
They also delete the etymological term (Greek Language: Μινωικός Πολιτισμός)
What are they doing? Someone take some action here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.103.252.148 ( talk • contribs).
Look dude, you made the edit: you have deleted also the term (Greek: Μινωικος Πολιτισμός).
And you also added over the propaganda of the style:
The term Minoan was coined after Evans use. I gave you Plato who mentions the term much before Evans, also in the TLG, the Thesaurus Lingua Greaca, you will find the term Minos, Minoidos(adjective=Minoan).
But since am on vacation, and swimming i shall deal with your propaganda when i find some time.
Unless somelse from here does so instaed of me, now go back and enjoy your little propaganda.
You deleted my sourced term Minos, and you replaced it with an unsoiurced claim, you delete sources and replce them with your own words, and you even dare to come here and apologize?
Go delete your blatant propaganda and put back my sources, that are already in the discussion page, and save yourself from further humiliation, you and your buddy Akhilleus.
Now, you can wait till you become totally humiliated, or you can fix the problem with the sources i gave you and you deleted them, and replaced them with unsourced claims....
The choice is yours, but remember when i get back from vacation, i will become a member here, and the TLG, along with another hundreds of sources that declare loud and clear that the Ancient Greeks considered the Minoan Kingdom as part of their culture and also various sources that mention the term Minos and Minoidos(adjective) some hundreds of times in literature.
The choice is yours, goodbye propagandist. You cannot escape from the truth.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.103.252.94 ( talk • contribs) on 0:12, 14 June 2007
14:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
The user Akhilleus keeps on deleting the definition of the term Minos as provided by the Liddell and Scott Lexicon, and also the reference of Plato in his Laws. He has offered no reason for his deletion of these simple quotes, and he keeps making assumption between myself and the above unsigned user in order to support the notion that i supprot the Greekness of the Minoans. Whatever the above user and whatever the user Akhilleus, i have simply added sourced quotes, no comments and no original research of any kind, i have sourced the quotes from the perseus project, and please see history here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Minoan_civilization&action=history
I sincerely expect some form of action to be taken.
Regards-- Mimon 17:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Explain why do you agree with Akhilleus, why should the sources not be added in the article? Will either you, or Akhilleus or semper answer this simple question, or will you not? As for the identity is a totally irrelevant subject.--
Mimon
21:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Yanni Theodoridis showed up yesterday under Articles for Deletion. Does anyone with knowledge of this subject have any reliable sources that could support this article, or information that the subject is non-notable (or even a hoax)? Thanks! -- Charlene 01:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated Template:Dialing codes in Greece - Zone 26 for a TFD, feel free to comment. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 03:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
In August 2006 it was proposed that Gera Villages be merged into Lesbos Island. This has yet to be resolved. Please discuss here. JohnnyMrNinja 08:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
A lot could be written on Greek Hooliganism (especialy after the death of a fan in a women's voleyball match recently), but the Greece section in the article only says about an accident on Gate 7 which happened on 1981. There are other people who had died in football matches during the 80s. Hooliganism in Greece is really a big issue, since many riots have occured from 1980 up to 2007. The section must be greatly expanded. There are plenty of sources, and I 'm willing to help if anyone decides to start writing. Thank you Mitsos 11:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Any replies? Are you all on holiday? Mitsos 09:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Won't anyone say anything?? Mitsos 14:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Greco-Buddhism has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 05:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Iv'e noticed that the above subject i badly represented when it comes to Greece. I'm not talking about the antiquity, of course, but rather of, for example, the 17th and 18th century. Im sure they where for example female artists in Greece then, but i have found none, not even at Goggle. It is also hard to find anything about feminist history in Greece, for example when women became of legal majority. It is an area that needs to be covered, i think, so i thought that i should suggest it, if anyone in the project is interested to write about it. Just a suggestion!-- 85.226.235.174 12:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I decided to write this section after I checked Byzantine Empire's successful FAR closing. We did it! We kept the star, even with difficulties, even if the article still has deficiencies. And members of this project noticed the FAR review, and contributed themselves as well in order to save the article. And then I come to the project I initiated, and I see that nothing is moving, and I cannot share anymore my happiness with its most active members, because I do not know where they are, and why they are missing.
Yes, I know that I was the first who left for a period of time, and my limited presence is not yet over. I will be back with all my forces (or most of them!) after early September. Events beyond my control kept me and will keep me away for most of the time. Until then, I cannot support the project in the way I used to. But please! Keep this project alive until then! Don't let it perish! We achieved great things here, and we all made great and laborious efforts to improve it, and make it one of the most active national projects in Wikipedia.
Now, the situation is different, and I know that I am mainly or partially responsible for that. But I cannot help it. I still do my best, but it is no more enough. Until I can return to my previous rhythm of activity, please try to do what I and maybe other previously active members cannot: keep the project alive!-- Yannismarou 14:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I recently read the Albania article, and I was quite horrified by the nationalist POV content, particularly in the history section. The following items I found particularly outrageous:
1) They include the sanctuary of Dodona, which as we all know is a Greek sanctuary and is located in Greece. It has absolutely nothing to do with Albania and its inclusion in the article is an attempt to steal Greek history and implies territorial claims on Greece.
2) The history section talks extensively about the ancient Pelasgians, even postulating an Albanian-Pelasgian link, which implies that somehow albanians are the "indigenous" people of the balkans. While very Greek knows that this is false, this is dangerous as uninformed readers could fall for it. They even go so far to mention the fact that the Pelasgians built the walls of Athens and were allowed to settle in Attica by the Athenians. Again this has nothing to do with Albania and is potentially dangerous.
3) Every attempt has been made to eradicate any mention of the large Greek population of northern Epirus.
Overall, the level of nationalism and POV propaganda in the article is quite staggering. I made changes concerning the Pealsgians and Dodona, but a certain user named Taulant23 keeps reverting them. He refuses to engage in a civil discussion and even had the nerve to report me for vandalism, even though I discussed my edits in the Talk page. Unfortunately, as I am rather new to Wikipedia I am at a loss as to how to proceed. I would like to have the mention of Dodona and the Pelasgians removed, but i do not want to engage in an edit war. Can someone have a look at the article in question and offer some advice? I would also like to know how I can report this Taulant23 to the administrators for his atrocious behavior. I find the nationalist propaganda on the Albania page very dangerous for Greece and its heritage (analogous to the FYROM dispute) and only by uniting will we be able to set the record straight and defeat this nasty propaganda. Tsourkpk 00:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. This may be out of your scope of interest, in which case apologies. We've tried to invite various groups with an interest in south-eastern Europe. There's a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo#Kosovo:_terminology as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. There's also a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. Cheers. DSuser 16:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The article on the Pelasgians is badly in need of a cleanup. can someone who is an expert on the subject please see to this.
I started a proposal over at WikiProjects to see how a WikiProject for Athens would do. All those interested, please add your names. Other cities like London, New York, Vienna, Manchester, Rome, Philadelphia have a WP, why not Athens? Here's the link to add your name: WP:COUNCIL/P El Greco ( talk · contribs) 15:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Pericles has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Vassyana 08:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Could someone have a glance at the articles started by by AGENT 7 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? Lots of potentially useful material on Salamis Island and related topics, but it needs verification by someone who can read Greek sources. This user is also persisting in adding unreferenced material in not very good English, and removing - now via sockpuppets - maintenance templates tagging these articles for attention. Gordonofcartoon 11:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Update Continuing vandalism to tags now includes adding (or altering) Wikiproject Greece assessments to bogus high importance ratings ( [2], [3]) . Gordonofcartoon 11:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Update 2: now moved to Float954 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Uploading images of dubious copyright, and asserting article ownership [4]. Gordonofcartoon 18:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Recently I read this article and realised that despite the detail and effort that had been put in by previous editors, the point had been reached where a major revision to the article was required. The article had become much too long and was written in a style that was very difficult for the reader to follow. Therefore, I have removed what I considered to be unnecessary detail, as well as work to improve the grammar and layout of the article.
I would really appreciate feedback from anybody interested in this famous ancient Greek general on the changes that I have made to the article. Any additions to improve the quality and accuracy of the article would also be appreciated. -- Chaleyer61 12:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
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Guys please add more sources and materials to the 2007 Greek fires article. My internet connection has many problems due to the fire and i can not longer edit, at least for the hour. Thanks -- KaragouniS 12:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to introduce to you all, MapGr a unique digital interactive map of Greece containing info on 8,700 hotels, bungalows camping, over 2650 travel agents, thousands of photos of Greece, photos of towns, beaches and a lot more. Find all this info free at a click of a button by visiting [www.mapgr.gr]. Watch the demo to see how MapGr platform works or skip the demo and click on the town names, camera icons by town ect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.132.81 ( talk) 01:04, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
South Greece earthquake 2007 needs work on. I have created it 39 minutes after the incident. The sunder king 16:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just started the pages on Dendra and Midea (Argolid) as well as Nafplion Archaeological Museum which I have based on the Thessaloniki Archeological Museum Article. They all need a lot of work yet. In the course of this, I noticed that not only is there no articles about the Urfirnis Ware but generally the Greek Neolithic is not very well articled. And the Dendra Armour should have an article. anyone interested in working on this stuff with me? -- 5telios 18:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I remember some trouble over copyright issues of images of archaeological sites and items exhibited in museums. The TAP - Archaeological Resources Fund (?) Ταμείο Αρχαιολογικών Πόρων is meant to be given money for use of such images (according to Greek law) as it holds the copyright. Arguments can be made, and have been made both ways, although I tend to veer towards the can't be copyrighted if it was created so long ago side. I remember someone a while back deleting all images of things like the parthenon as they were is violation of the open source nature of wikipedia.
Was a consensus reached? I wish to illustrate some articles ( Zarakas Monastery, Isova, Dendra and others) with my own images of the articles' subjects, should I? -- 5telios 09:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I have been working with certain articles about Greek politics and I have found that the Template:Politics of Greece is rather cumbersome to use. Being vertical as it is it takes up a lot of valuable space (that could be used e.g. for photos) and it unnecessarily elongates small articles, such as DIKKI. With party articles that have an infobox, it looks even uglier.
What I propose is that we make it a horizontal one, something to be put at the bottom of articles, such as Template:Greece topics. Thoughts? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 00:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Image:Hellenic Navy Admiral Flag.JPG to try to work out who is the copyright holder of this image. Thanks, John Vandenberg 05:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
The article at Magna Graecia is the text of the french wikipedia article transferred complete with french cats (which are producing red links). Could someone have a look into this? I am asking over at wikiproject classical greece and rome also. Cheers, -- 5telios 11:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey. I had an idea that I passed up to the high mucky-mucks (I think), but it occurred to me that I should post it here, as well. Please read the following and let me know what you think. Thanks!Ifnkovhg 03:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC) I have no idea why the text refuses to cooperate with me. Sorry
I am writing to your organizations with a proposal that I believe would be to the mutual benefit of all.
Wikipedia is, I think, clearly on its way to becoming a force to be reckoned with as an online encyclopedia. The genius of Wikipedia, however, is also its greatest flaw: it is a communal enterprise undertaken by writers/editors with a wide range of education and ability. Quality, therefore, is often a long, drawn out product of attrition. Obviously, it is to the benefit of Wikipedia that its content be as thorough as possible and as accurate as possible, as quickly as possible. I know that various topics have garnered Wikiprojects -- and their members do an admirable job, especially considering the part-time, labor-of-love nature of the work. But I think more efficient quality control might be possible.
Without wishing to destroy the cooperative nature of Wikipedia, I'm wondering if some sort
of symbiotic partnership could not be arranged between various classica organizations on the one hand and Wikipedia on the other to improve, monitor and maintain the quality of the encyclopedia's classics-related content. Wikipedia is quickly becoming a more popular resource for those just being introduced to any number of topics, including the classics. Outreach to such people just learning about Classical Greece and Rome, I know, is a major concern to the health of the profession. It would behoove the profession, then, to embrace Wikipedia and use it as a resource. Wikipedia in turn could use organizations such as the APA to produce the best possible content.
Again, I am not suggesting an arrangement that would supplant the Wikiproject mechanism. Anyone,
from tenured PhDs to armchair historians would still be free to contribute. By no means so I think that every single classics article should be under the stewardship of a single authority. Nor do I propose that the classics content of Wikipedia become the virtual property of the APA. But I do think some sort of collaborative effort might be worth exploring.
Retrieved from "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Greece/Outreach"
I posted this elsewhere and got no response. Maybe this is a better place. Ifnkovhg 18:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Guys, please do something with this page. It has been polluting mainspace for more than two years now. Either wikify, merge, or prod. -- Ghirla -трёп- 20:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, we had a large number of requested articles for Greek pop singers over at WP:RA, and I thought I'd list them here just in case there is someone willing and able to do some expansion on our coverage in this area. Thanks.
Chubbles 03:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Is this "Nispon anomimata mi monan opsin" a translitteration from the greek "Η ελληνική έκδοση της εγκυκλοπαίδειας περιλαμβάνει αυτή τη"? (Some ancient (BC) Greek fountains are inscribed "Wash the sin as well as the face" according to http://home.egge.net/~savory/blog_sep_05.htm) Nsaa 13:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have recently reviewed Battle of Thermopylae and have determined that it is in very good shape but need some assistance to remain a GA. I have put the article on hold for seven days until the issues on the talk page of the article are addressed. I wanted to mention it here since the article falls under this project, and if interested, could assist in improving the article and help it to remain a GA. It currently has a few problems concerning inline citations and other general fixes. Additionally, I will be leaving messages on other WikiProjects and editors affiliated with the page to increase the number of participants assisting in the workload.
If you have any questions about what I've said here, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 23:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Gymnasium (ancient Greece) says: "in ancient Greece only men practiced sports". Sparta says: "a strong emphasis was placed on the physical fitness of men as well as women. Despite their physical fitness, women could not compete in the Olympic Games, according to the Olympic rules (they competed in the Heraea Games instead)." Heraea Games says: "The ancient Heraea Games, dedicated to the goddess Hera (also spelled Heraia) is the first sanctioned (and recorded) women's athletic competition to be held in Olympic Stadium." (etc.) -- We need to reconcile these. -- 201.19.77.39 13:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
How can an article receive a rating on the importance scale? I'm talking about Greece national football team and a rating in Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece and Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. - Sthenel 06:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I am engaged, despite myself, in a silly but highly annoying revert conflict over the addition of certain phrases in this article. In order to get this over with, I have requested comments from other users. If you have any, please add them here. Thanks. Cplakidas 17:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have reviewed Byzantine-Seljuk wars and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 07:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi all. You may be interested to know that Alex Bakharev has just made a new very interesting bot, User:AlexNewArtBot, which may immensely help lessening the amount of work in Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/New articles.-- Aldux 15:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The article titles concerning the various factions of the Greek Civil War (EDES, ELAS, EAM etc) are in a transliterated form of the Greek name, which is not only difficult for a non-Greek speaker to remember or use, but also contrary to established practice (e.g. for political parties). I suggest moving them to their corresponding English titles, e.g. National People's Liberation Army for ELAS. Regards, Cplakidas 23:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have created a mere stub for Greek police. I intend to work on it more, incorporating stuff from el:Ελληνική Αστυνομία, however I must go to sleep (strange ideas I have, creating stubs at wikipedia at 5.30 in the morning...) If anyone feels like it please feel free to add to the stub. Also, wikilinking to it from related articles would be great. -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 03:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The current {{ Infobox Town GR}} template for municipalities is being updated, see {{ Infobox Greek Dimos}}. We think it's almost ready for launch (it's easy to convert the old infobox into the new one, which has nice new features). Please add your comments on the template talk page. Markussep 18:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
This image is marked for future oblivion. Anyone interested please make your point(s) at its talk page voting to keep or delete. Many thanks. Dr.K. 19:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
So, the results may be impressive, but where are we going from now on? These are some of my thoughts:
These are just some of my thoughts. I hope that they may be helpful.-- Yannismarou 13:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Without intending to end the above discussion, I just wanted to inform that I reorganized and restructured the review section, in order to offer to the users a complete image of all our articles under review.-- Yannismarou 12:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
On the project page, under "Infoboxes" we've got {{ Greek}} as the infobox for Greek prime ministers. Firstly, I disagree with naming an infobox "Greek" when it is specifically for prime ministers. But, perhaps more importantly, the template already exists and it is used for a "person, place, or concept whose name is originally rendered in the Greek alphabet" and it's a banner. I would've edited the page already but, I'm hesitant to edit the main project page, without discussion, when it's not a blatant issue. -- Kimon talk 14:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I took the initiative to create a sub-page for the members; and per our discussion above I seperated us in active and inactive members (I saw no objection in doing that); I'll periodically check the list, and everybody else of course can do the same thing.
About the barnstar: Kimon, I think we should make the test page of yours with the template of the barnstar official. Improvements in the design are welcome, but for the time being I don't see any "radical" ideas (personally, I realised that I am incompetent with Photoshop!). Hence I think it is acceptable and nice. What do you say? Are we going to include it in the main page?-- Yannismarou 10:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Deucalionite has tried to create a Category:Dab-Class Greek articles, apparently as a complement to the project assessment scheme, intended to list disambiguation pages within the scope of the project. - Do we want such a category? I'm not really convinced of its use; Deucalionite seems unclear about how to realise it technically (but he seems not to want to be on speaking terms with me, so I can't discuss it with him). If project members see a use for it, fine, otherwise I'll propose it for deletion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I moved, after three weeks with no objections, the article on Halkidiki to that spelling, from the long-obsolete Chalcidice. I give some more argument for why this makes sense on Talk:Halkidiki. Someone, presumably a classicist who prefers the old spelling, has now objected on the talk page, so additional people weighing in would be helpful. Thanks. -- Delirium 20:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone, a discuss is going on at WPMILHIST about wether or not an Ottoman task force should be created. Since this subject seems to go hand in hand with some Greek articles, I thought this would be a good place to past a message. If you are intrested please ggo to WPMILHIST and show your support. Geia. Kyriakos 09:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Synoecism has been tagged "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards" since November 2005. "The oldest cleanup requests are the highest priority, to prevent embarrassing problems from going unfixed for an indefinite length of time" [1]. IMHO, the article is just barely keep-worthy, but (IMHO) the "needs cleanup" is very appropriate. Anybody care to take a look? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 06:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've just AfD'ed Gerasimos Kalogerakis. Perhaps you may want to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerasimos Kalogerakis. -- Pjacobi 20:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Inspired by the above AfD information, I decided to revive and update the Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Greece. I also think about to include in the project's sidebar, so as any member of the project to have immediate access to it.-- Yannismarou 15:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I think about mentioning in the project's main page ("Showcase") that A-Class articles are "articles with GA status or articles that have successfully passed an A-Class review by a wikiproject, which are considered to provide a well-written and complete treatment of the topic". In this way I want to make clear than only GA articles or articles that have been reviewed for A-Class status (we don't yet have such a review, but WP:MILHIST has for instance) should be rated as A. Is there any objection to this proposal?-- Yannismarou 10:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Boeotia has been looking for a map since at least 11 September 2006. Can anybody create one? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 12:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
"Actually, the to-do page is currently transcluded in at least two places, here and at the Greece portal. But in any case, the fact that this went unnoticed for so long indicates it doesn't get that many readers, right? And the whole noticeboard page has been pretty inactive too for a while. Maybe the whole thing should be merged into the (much more active) WikiProject? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Future Perfect at Sunrise ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
I bring here the discussion which started in the Greek Wikipedians' notice board, in order to possibly have further input and to verify consensus. Do we agree to replace {{ WPGreeceOpenTasks}} with {{ Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board/to do}}?-- Yannismarou 08:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
(new section for this)
And we must also work on our portal. It is terrible! With the necessary amount of work we could make it feautured.--
Yannismarou
08:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick question, can we move Template:WPGreece to a four letter acronym like {{ WPAM}}, {{ WPTR}} or {{ WPBG}}? It is just because when I am tagging the articles I constantly get confused over where the template actually is. I was using the WPHOG code for a while, then it got merged with WikiProject Greece! (and WPHOG was case sensitive, or something like that) So what would be the best acronym? (the others would be redirects anyways) Baristarim 12:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
moved from above into this new section
How about this barnstar? -- Odysses (☜) 10:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
(Partly inspired by Kimon's username): I'd replace the whole thing with a kion in the Ionic order. Shall I work on it? Niko Silver 15:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a technical question, since I am not that familiar with wiki regulations. Is it permited to use images like this for test purposes in talk pages? It will make things easier -- Odysses (☜) 16:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Me likes. What do you think of my pillar on the left? Too minimal? Niko Silver 11:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I was working on the Greece article, and that See also section, kept bothering me, so I found a nice see also Template (Germany's) and used it for Greece's. Take a look: {{ Greece topics}}. Check it out, and if there is anything that needs changing you can go ahead and change it or just tell me. I personally think the page looks much better now than before with the template. El Greco 22:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone from the project take a look at the article Nikos Tzouannis? I'm not sure that he meets WP:BIO but I'd rather not pass that judgement since obviously I might be seriously underestimating the importance of this sports journalist. Please submit it to AfD if you feel that he does not meet our criteria for inclusion. Thanks! Pascal.Tesson 02:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Now this is what I call a seriously distorted article] Odysses (☜) 15:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Category:Greek and Roman astronomers is being proposed to be renamed category:ancient roman astronomers 132.205.44.134 00:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've updated our project template {{ WPGR}} with the auto parameter. Before I can submit a request to a bot operator to add this project I need to get consensus. The articles will be automatically assessed as stub quality and placed in the category Category:Automatically assessed Greece articles. The list of articles will be retrieved from Category:Unassessed Greek articles. What does the membership here think? -- Kimon talk 21:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The request was successful and now
MartinBotIII will be tagging all unassessed WPGR articles with the parameters: class=Stub|auto=yes
provided that that they fulfill one of the following criteria:
All articles will be listed under Category:Automatically assessed Greek articles where they can be reviewed and reassessed or have the "auto" removed. -- Kimon talk 12:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I updated the notice board and included in our project per the discussion above. I suppose Template:WPGreeceOpenTasks is heading towards deletion now. Please, check the changes and additions I did to the notice board, and do not hesitate to further improve it and modify it.-- Yannismarou 17:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Parthenon is in danger to lose its start. I think it is a matter of urgent priority. Unfortunately, on Saturday I'm leaving from Greece for ten days, during which I'll have no access to computer. Until I am back, if no improvements are done, Parthenon will be in FARC. As you may have already understood, my time is very limited right now (not only because of the journey). I'll try to do my best with the article, but, please, have a look at the relevant FARC page, and help the article so as not to lose its star. I think the main problem right now is the lack of inline citations.-- Yannismarou 08:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Parthenon has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
What are the project's guidelines on setting an article's priority? -- Kimon talk 18:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Label | Criteria | Examples |
Top | Article is extremely important, even crucial, to its specific field. Reserved for articles that have achieved international notability within its subject or field. | Australia |
High | Article is extremely notable, but has not achieved international notability, or is only notable within a particular continent. | Manchester City F.C. |
Mid | Article is only notable within its particular field or subject and has achieved notability in a particular place or area. | 0.999... |
Low | Subject is not particularly notable or significant even within its field of study. It may only be included to cover a specific part of a notable article. | Chrono Cross |
I set up a a temporary table here consolidating the input from everyone above. Feel free to edit it and when we think it's done, we can publish it. -- Kimon talk 22:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Since this topic has been quiet for a while, I took it as consensus and have updated the template and the category. I still need to update the assessment page. -- Kimon talk 18:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Look at all the articles that contain the WP:Greece template (in the talk page), it seems like someone has screwed up the syntax, and I have no clue how to fix it. Can some one please fix it? El Greco ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Which look is preferable, the one the template currently has or this one: User:Kimon/WPGR? -- Kimon talk 21:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Besides the template, I remind to the project's members that two more interesting issues are still open:
Please, check the relevant discussions above and express your mind. Thanks!-- Yannismarou 17:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we should consider several images in order to have a wider variety to choose from. I have started a gallery here and I invite you all to add your own proposed images. Odysses (☜) 13:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
copied from above
Should we have a project called "WikiProject Hellenism" which would cover everything Hellenic while this project would specialize on Greece-only articles? Much like
WikiProject Jewish History and
WikiProject Israel. --
Kimon
talk
17:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
So, if I'm reading the above correctly, the first task that needs to be accomplished is an acceptable article on
Hellenism (could this be our collaboration of the week/fortnight/month?). Then, probably rename this project to
WikiProject Hellenism. After that, we can discuss creating either new projects or task-forces for "Greece", "Byzantine Empire", "Ottoman period", etc.
Is that accurate? --
Kimon
talk
18:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at Greek-American organized crime. The problem with the title is that it is ambiguous, it appears to link Greek Americans with the notion of " organized crime" implying guilt by association. A better heading may be Greek Americans and organized crime or some other more neutral heading you may wish to suggest. I have tried to do the same with Jewish-American organized crime by changing it to American Jews and organized crime but I was reverted, see Talk:Jewish-American organized crime#Recent page move. Only three articles in Category:Organized crime groups have this kind of "title": African-American organized crime; Greek-American organized crime and Jewish-American organized crime. So will there be 134 articles in the future about "Foo organized crime" for all 134 categories in Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and indeed for every class of human on Earth without hypocrisy??? Note how there is no article for Italian American organized crime as it's simply and correctly called Mafia. African Americans and Jewish Americans are not connected with organized crime as "representatives" or "symbols" of their race or religion. Every group has its criminals. So what else is new. Sure there are " gangs" just as there are Category:Mafia gangs in Category:Mafia groups (and by the way, if there are such African American or Jewish American gangs or groups then name them, but let's not leave it as if "guilt" is being laid at the door of all Greek Americans, African Americans or Jewish Americans etc), but the titles Greek-American organized crime or Jewish-American organized crime makes it sound, way, way bigger than it is in reality, and could easily slip into racism and antisemitism if not handled in a scrupulously WP:NPOV manner 100% of the time! The job of Wikipedia should not be to magnify the problem which is called POV editing, but to depict things accurately as they are. Please add your views. Thank you, IZAK 00:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
As part of our project's continuous effort to recruit new members and trying to mimic what other projects have done to invite folks, I've created this template: {{ User:Kimon/WPGRInvite}}. Let me know what you think and if it's overkill. I just figure it's a quick and easy way to send invites and newbies may like the banner :) -- Kimon talk 15:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Greetings. On the Peisistratos page someone had added the text "(Check Link)" after the link to Hippocrates, and on further investigation I found that not only was that not the article on his father but none of the people named Hippocrates on the disambiguation page were the right one, either. So I searched the net for information on his father and created a new article, Hippocrates, father of Peisistratos and then fixed the link in Peisistratos to point to it.
While I was at it, I came across a link to this project on the talk page of another article. It seemed appropriate, so I put the same notice on the talk page of my new article, thus making it part of this project. I hope that's all right; it's late, and I was being bold. I did not add it to the list of new articles for this project as there was some mention there of a bot that does that, and I was afraid of messing things up. Cheers! -- DavidConrad 06:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I was working the Wikfication backlog and came upon this article, and I think I lack the context to evaluate it. Is it original research that needs to be deleted, or a legitimate article that should be improved? Help from someone who knows a bit more about the subject would be... er... helpful. - FisherQueen ( Talk) 19:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Byzantine Empire has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done some editing on Opium, with an eye toward trying to understand its historical use in anaesthesia. I still don't understand how the spongia sominfera actually worked. I'm also curious why it didn't seem to lead to the same sorts of problems with addiction as were seen in the past few centuries. If the article is of interest to your project, or if you have suggestions, thanks! Mike Serfas 01:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The Corfu article keeps getting rated as start class after its original classification as B class. It also gets rated as Mid importance after its original classification as top importance. I think we need a discussion on these two subjects to avoid any future edit reversals. Please address any comments on the discussion page of the Corfu article. Thanks. Dr.K. 19:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know where you guys put article requests, but I would like to ask for
related to Greek Scouting. Chris 02:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently created article on Liberation Army of Chameria is considered for deletion. As there are apparently only a few sources in English languagewhich speak about it, help from someone who has access to Greek sources would be very welcome. Nikola 06:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
How do I sign up?! Tourskin 23:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello people: the article in Minoan Civilization is damaged by propagandists.
I give them the source: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/laws.1.i.html
And they decline it as being my original reseacrh.
They write that the term Minos was coined by Evans and that the Greks adopted it after Evans used it.
This source provides the proof that Plato used it some centuries before Evans and they decline it, because as they say , consensus has not been achieved.
Look do something.
Also they write that the Mycenean Culture replaced the Minoan, i remove the term culture and put there Kingdom for these reasons:
a) Pottery is vastly similar b) The Language (Linear A) has been deciphered using Linear B(Mycenean Greek) c) Plato considers Minos as the one responsible for the Cretan Laws of his time, in this Book the Laws as sourced above.
All these 3 facts lead us to the conclusion, that the Minoan culture was not replaced by the Mycenean, but that the Kingdom was replaced, not the culture, for the culture is similar, how can you replace a vastly similar culture with an "alien" vastly similar culture?
They also delete the etymological term (Greek Language: Μινωικός Πολιτισμός)
What are they doing? Someone take some action here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.103.252.148 ( talk • contribs).
Look dude, you made the edit: you have deleted also the term (Greek: Μινωικος Πολιτισμός).
And you also added over the propaganda of the style:
The term Minoan was coined after Evans use. I gave you Plato who mentions the term much before Evans, also in the TLG, the Thesaurus Lingua Greaca, you will find the term Minos, Minoidos(adjective=Minoan).
But since am on vacation, and swimming i shall deal with your propaganda when i find some time.
Unless somelse from here does so instaed of me, now go back and enjoy your little propaganda.
You deleted my sourced term Minos, and you replaced it with an unsoiurced claim, you delete sources and replce them with your own words, and you even dare to come here and apologize?
Go delete your blatant propaganda and put back my sources, that are already in the discussion page, and save yourself from further humiliation, you and your buddy Akhilleus.
Now, you can wait till you become totally humiliated, or you can fix the problem with the sources i gave you and you deleted them, and replaced them with unsourced claims....
The choice is yours, but remember when i get back from vacation, i will become a member here, and the TLG, along with another hundreds of sources that declare loud and clear that the Ancient Greeks considered the Minoan Kingdom as part of their culture and also various sources that mention the term Minos and Minoidos(adjective) some hundreds of times in literature.
The choice is yours, goodbye propagandist. You cannot escape from the truth.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.103.252.94 ( talk • contribs) on 0:12, 14 June 2007
14:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
The user Akhilleus keeps on deleting the definition of the term Minos as provided by the Liddell and Scott Lexicon, and also the reference of Plato in his Laws. He has offered no reason for his deletion of these simple quotes, and he keeps making assumption between myself and the above unsigned user in order to support the notion that i supprot the Greekness of the Minoans. Whatever the above user and whatever the user Akhilleus, i have simply added sourced quotes, no comments and no original research of any kind, i have sourced the quotes from the perseus project, and please see history here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Minoan_civilization&action=history
I sincerely expect some form of action to be taken.
Regards-- Mimon 17:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Explain why do you agree with Akhilleus, why should the sources not be added in the article? Will either you, or Akhilleus or semper answer this simple question, or will you not? As for the identity is a totally irrelevant subject.--
Mimon
21:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Yanni Theodoridis showed up yesterday under Articles for Deletion. Does anyone with knowledge of this subject have any reliable sources that could support this article, or information that the subject is non-notable (or even a hoax)? Thanks! -- Charlene 01:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated Template:Dialing codes in Greece - Zone 26 for a TFD, feel free to comment. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 03:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
In August 2006 it was proposed that Gera Villages be merged into Lesbos Island. This has yet to be resolved. Please discuss here. JohnnyMrNinja 08:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
A lot could be written on Greek Hooliganism (especialy after the death of a fan in a women's voleyball match recently), but the Greece section in the article only says about an accident on Gate 7 which happened on 1981. There are other people who had died in football matches during the 80s. Hooliganism in Greece is really a big issue, since many riots have occured from 1980 up to 2007. The section must be greatly expanded. There are plenty of sources, and I 'm willing to help if anyone decides to start writing. Thank you Mitsos 11:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Any replies? Are you all on holiday? Mitsos 09:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Won't anyone say anything?? Mitsos 14:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Iv'e noticed that the above subject i badly represented when it comes to Greece. I'm not talking about the antiquity, of course, but rather of, for example, the 17th and 18th century. Im sure they where for example female artists in Greece then, but i have found none, not even at Goggle. It is also hard to find anything about feminist history in Greece, for example when women became of legal majority. It is an area that needs to be covered, i think, so i thought that i should suggest it, if anyone in the project is interested to write about it. Just a suggestion!-- 85.226.235.174 12:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I decided to write this section after I checked Byzantine Empire's successful FAR closing. We did it! We kept the star, even with difficulties, even if the article still has deficiencies. And members of this project noticed the FAR review, and contributed themselves as well in order to save the article. And then I come to the project I initiated, and I see that nothing is moving, and I cannot share anymore my happiness with its most active members, because I do not know where they are, and why they are missing.
Yes, I know that I was the first who left for a period of time, and my limited presence is not yet over. I will be back with all my forces (or most of them!) after early September. Events beyond my control kept me and will keep me away for most of the time. Until then, I cannot support the project in the way I used to. But please! Keep this project alive until then! Don't let it perish! We achieved great things here, and we all made great and laborious efforts to improve it, and make it one of the most active national projects in Wikipedia.
Now, the situation is different, and I know that I am mainly or partially responsible for that. But I cannot help it. I still do my best, but it is no more enough. Until I can return to my previous rhythm of activity, please try to do what I and maybe other previously active members cannot: keep the project alive!-- Yannismarou 14:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I recently read the Albania article, and I was quite horrified by the nationalist POV content, particularly in the history section. The following items I found particularly outrageous:
1) They include the sanctuary of Dodona, which as we all know is a Greek sanctuary and is located in Greece. It has absolutely nothing to do with Albania and its inclusion in the article is an attempt to steal Greek history and implies territorial claims on Greece.
2) The history section talks extensively about the ancient Pelasgians, even postulating an Albanian-Pelasgian link, which implies that somehow albanians are the "indigenous" people of the balkans. While very Greek knows that this is false, this is dangerous as uninformed readers could fall for it. They even go so far to mention the fact that the Pelasgians built the walls of Athens and were allowed to settle in Attica by the Athenians. Again this has nothing to do with Albania and is potentially dangerous.
3) Every attempt has been made to eradicate any mention of the large Greek population of northern Epirus.
Overall, the level of nationalism and POV propaganda in the article is quite staggering. I made changes concerning the Pealsgians and Dodona, but a certain user named Taulant23 keeps reverting them. He refuses to engage in a civil discussion and even had the nerve to report me for vandalism, even though I discussed my edits in the Talk page. Unfortunately, as I am rather new to Wikipedia I am at a loss as to how to proceed. I would like to have the mention of Dodona and the Pelasgians removed, but i do not want to engage in an edit war. Can someone have a look at the article in question and offer some advice? I would also like to know how I can report this Taulant23 to the administrators for his atrocious behavior. I find the nationalist propaganda on the Albania page very dangerous for Greece and its heritage (analogous to the FYROM dispute) and only by uniting will we be able to set the record straight and defeat this nasty propaganda. Tsourkpk 00:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. This may be out of your scope of interest, in which case apologies. We've tried to invite various groups with an interest in south-eastern Europe. There's a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo#Kosovo:_terminology as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. There's also a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. Cheers. DSuser 16:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The article on the Pelasgians is badly in need of a cleanup. can someone who is an expert on the subject please see to this.
I started a proposal over at WikiProjects to see how a WikiProject for Athens would do. All those interested, please add your names. Other cities like London, New York, Vienna, Manchester, Rome, Philadelphia have a WP, why not Athens? Here's the link to add your name: WP:COUNCIL/P El Greco ( talk · contribs) 15:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
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Could someone have a glance at the articles started by by AGENT 7 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? Lots of potentially useful material on Salamis Island and related topics, but it needs verification by someone who can read Greek sources. This user is also persisting in adding unreferenced material in not very good English, and removing - now via sockpuppets - maintenance templates tagging these articles for attention. Gordonofcartoon 11:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Update Continuing vandalism to tags now includes adding (or altering) Wikiproject Greece assessments to bogus high importance ratings ( [2], [3]) . Gordonofcartoon 11:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Update 2: now moved to Float954 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Uploading images of dubious copyright, and asserting article ownership [4]. Gordonofcartoon 18:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Recently I read this article and realised that despite the detail and effort that had been put in by previous editors, the point had been reached where a major revision to the article was required. The article had become much too long and was written in a style that was very difficult for the reader to follow. Therefore, I have removed what I considered to be unnecessary detail, as well as work to improve the grammar and layout of the article.
I would really appreciate feedback from anybody interested in this famous ancient Greek general on the changes that I have made to the article. Any additions to improve the quality and accuracy of the article would also be appreciated. -- Chaleyer61 12:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
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Guys please add more sources and materials to the 2007 Greek fires article. My internet connection has many problems due to the fire and i can not longer edit, at least for the hour. Thanks -- KaragouniS 12:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to introduce to you all, MapGr a unique digital interactive map of Greece containing info on 8,700 hotels, bungalows camping, over 2650 travel agents, thousands of photos of Greece, photos of towns, beaches and a lot more. Find all this info free at a click of a button by visiting [www.mapgr.gr]. Watch the demo to see how MapGr platform works or skip the demo and click on the town names, camera icons by town ect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.132.81 ( talk) 01:04, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
South Greece earthquake 2007 needs work on. I have created it 39 minutes after the incident. The sunder king 16:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just started the pages on Dendra and Midea (Argolid) as well as Nafplion Archaeological Museum which I have based on the Thessaloniki Archeological Museum Article. They all need a lot of work yet. In the course of this, I noticed that not only is there no articles about the Urfirnis Ware but generally the Greek Neolithic is not very well articled. And the Dendra Armour should have an article. anyone interested in working on this stuff with me? -- 5telios 18:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I remember some trouble over copyright issues of images of archaeological sites and items exhibited in museums. The TAP - Archaeological Resources Fund (?) Ταμείο Αρχαιολογικών Πόρων is meant to be given money for use of such images (according to Greek law) as it holds the copyright. Arguments can be made, and have been made both ways, although I tend to veer towards the can't be copyrighted if it was created so long ago side. I remember someone a while back deleting all images of things like the parthenon as they were is violation of the open source nature of wikipedia.
Was a consensus reached? I wish to illustrate some articles ( Zarakas Monastery, Isova, Dendra and others) with my own images of the articles' subjects, should I? -- 5telios 09:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I have been working with certain articles about Greek politics and I have found that the Template:Politics of Greece is rather cumbersome to use. Being vertical as it is it takes up a lot of valuable space (that could be used e.g. for photos) and it unnecessarily elongates small articles, such as DIKKI. With party articles that have an infobox, it looks even uglier.
What I propose is that we make it a horizontal one, something to be put at the bottom of articles, such as Template:Greece topics. Thoughts? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 00:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Image:Hellenic Navy Admiral Flag.JPG to try to work out who is the copyright holder of this image. Thanks, John Vandenberg 05:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
The article at Magna Graecia is the text of the french wikipedia article transferred complete with french cats (which are producing red links). Could someone have a look into this? I am asking over at wikiproject classical greece and rome also. Cheers, -- 5telios 11:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey. I had an idea that I passed up to the high mucky-mucks (I think), but it occurred to me that I should post it here, as well. Please read the following and let me know what you think. Thanks!Ifnkovhg 03:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC) I have no idea why the text refuses to cooperate with me. Sorry
I am writing to your organizations with a proposal that I believe would be to the mutual benefit of all.
Wikipedia is, I think, clearly on its way to becoming a force to be reckoned with as an online encyclopedia. The genius of Wikipedia, however, is also its greatest flaw: it is a communal enterprise undertaken by writers/editors with a wide range of education and ability. Quality, therefore, is often a long, drawn out product of attrition. Obviously, it is to the benefit of Wikipedia that its content be as thorough as possible and as accurate as possible, as quickly as possible. I know that various topics have garnered Wikiprojects -- and their members do an admirable job, especially considering the part-time, labor-of-love nature of the work. But I think more efficient quality control might be possible.
Without wishing to destroy the cooperative nature of Wikipedia, I'm wondering if some sort
of symbiotic partnership could not be arranged between various classica organizations on the one hand and Wikipedia on the other to improve, monitor and maintain the quality of the encyclopedia's classics-related content. Wikipedia is quickly becoming a more popular resource for those just being introduced to any number of topics, including the classics. Outreach to such people just learning about Classical Greece and Rome, I know, is a major concern to the health of the profession. It would behoove the profession, then, to embrace Wikipedia and use it as a resource. Wikipedia in turn could use organizations such as the APA to produce the best possible content.
Again, I am not suggesting an arrangement that would supplant the Wikiproject mechanism. Anyone,
from tenured PhDs to armchair historians would still be free to contribute. By no means so I think that every single classics article should be under the stewardship of a single authority. Nor do I propose that the classics content of Wikipedia become the virtual property of the APA. But I do think some sort of collaborative effort might be worth exploring.
Retrieved from "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Greece/Outreach"
I posted this elsewhere and got no response. Maybe this is a better place. Ifnkovhg 18:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Guys, please do something with this page. It has been polluting mainspace for more than two years now. Either wikify, merge, or prod. -- Ghirla -трёп- 20:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, we had a large number of requested articles for Greek pop singers over at WP:RA, and I thought I'd list them here just in case there is someone willing and able to do some expansion on our coverage in this area. Thanks.
Chubbles 03:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Is this "Nispon anomimata mi monan opsin" a translitteration from the greek "Η ελληνική έκδοση της εγκυκλοπαίδειας περιλαμβάνει αυτή τη"? (Some ancient (BC) Greek fountains are inscribed "Wash the sin as well as the face" according to http://home.egge.net/~savory/blog_sep_05.htm) Nsaa 13:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have recently reviewed Battle of Thermopylae and have determined that it is in very good shape but need some assistance to remain a GA. I have put the article on hold for seven days until the issues on the talk page of the article are addressed. I wanted to mention it here since the article falls under this project, and if interested, could assist in improving the article and help it to remain a GA. It currently has a few problems concerning inline citations and other general fixes. Additionally, I will be leaving messages on other WikiProjects and editors affiliated with the page to increase the number of participants assisting in the workload.
If you have any questions about what I've said here, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 23:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Gymnasium (ancient Greece) says: "in ancient Greece only men practiced sports". Sparta says: "a strong emphasis was placed on the physical fitness of men as well as women. Despite their physical fitness, women could not compete in the Olympic Games, according to the Olympic rules (they competed in the Heraea Games instead)." Heraea Games says: "The ancient Heraea Games, dedicated to the goddess Hera (also spelled Heraia) is the first sanctioned (and recorded) women's athletic competition to be held in Olympic Stadium." (etc.) -- We need to reconcile these. -- 201.19.77.39 13:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
How can an article receive a rating on the importance scale? I'm talking about Greece national football team and a rating in Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece and Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. - Sthenel 06:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I am engaged, despite myself, in a silly but highly annoying revert conflict over the addition of certain phrases in this article. In order to get this over with, I have requested comments from other users. If you have any, please add them here. Thanks. Cplakidas 17:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have reviewed Byzantine-Seljuk wars and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 07:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)