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In case I've done something wrong and you've missed it, I started a new article yesterday for the Greek Expeditionary Force (Korea). While working on several different aspects of the Korean War and other elated pages, I've noticed that the countries that participated seemed to be lacking pages denoting the sacrifices their countries forces made. And while I was researching some information for an article on Outpost Harry, I ran across what I think was enough information to begin an article. So far it's pretty much a mess. I copied in some of the relevant information I found from two different web sites, but I'm sure there's probably more. The current state of the formatting is terrible, etc. I was just in a rush yesterday and didn't want to lose the information I'd found and I think all of the participating nations should eventually have pages denoting their forces sacrifice. Any help anybody could provide would be appreciated. I would imagine there's a lot more information available in Greek than English. Thanks. wbfergus 11:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed we 've been putting the wikiproject template on greek-history-related articles. I've also noticed that some of us place the template on the main article space, not the talk page. I believe we should be adding the template on talk pages, as I've seen for example the wikiproject military history wikipedians do. -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 22:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I thank the members of the group who have started putting the template and rating articles. Just be careful about the criteria we should use, in order to evaluate an article. Just check the assessment scale in Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. For instance, I saw that History of modern Greece was rated as A-Class. This is not correct, since the article has just 3 inline citations and very few references. This is very poor for an A-Class article. It may not even meet criteria for GA. Again, thank you!-- Yannismarou 15:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece/Assessment
I now created an assessment department with instructions and other useful information. I also gave the possibility for anybody who wants it to ask the assessment of an article by the group members, if he does not want to conduct it himself.
In the Wikiproject military history A-Class status is awarded only after an official request, review and decision of the group after the request. I donot think if you want to establish a similar procedure in our project. The fact that we are not too many, in fact for the time being, could be a problem.--
Yannismarou
16:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Would you like to establish a collaboration of the month? I have in mind some articles that might need our attention.-- Yannismarou 17:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Adam talked about "the tendency of many contributors (not just Greek ones, of course) to write patriotic history".
I think the project could go in POV articles and improve them through collaboration. I ask Adam and other users to name such articles and propose them for improvement. I think this is a very interesting field for action.
Recently, me, Argos' Dad, Dr. K, Rastapopoulos, Michalis and others got involved in Metapolitefsi that had similar problems and I think we managed to improve the article. This proves we can achive things.-- Yannismarou 08:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Per the example of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Outreach/Newsletter_August_2006 and others, I propose that Wikipedia:WikiProject_History_of_Greece#Open_tasks is forwarded monthly to all members. I am not sure how this can be done though... •NikoSilver• 10:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the article desperately needs an image of Grivas. I 'd be glad if someone could find one. Mitsos 18:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.
The plugin has two main modes of operation:
As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.
For more information see:
Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. -- Kingboyk 13:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, of course, sorry I didn't looked at the title. Mitsos 10:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
This article certainly needs to be improved. What do you think? Mitsos 10:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I 'm not an anarchist either, (μαλλον το αντιθετο...) so I don't think I can write much about anarchism in Greece. However, I think it's very important and someone who is interested could do it. Mitsos 15:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Also we need to work at George Grivas. Mitsos 15:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion this is an article that should be within the project's priority list. Phanariotes are of invaluable importance to the rebirth of modern Greek nationalism, the Greek war of independence and the very foundation of the Greek Kingdom. Instead, the article currently focuses on the Phanariote regime in the Danubian provinces, which is of secondary importance to Greek history and to the Phanariote sphere of influence. It's being 'protected' by Romanian editors, whose edits and arguments are based on one-sided views and original reasearch. Basically the real subject of the current article is the "Phanariote rule in Romania", and I have numerous times offered to rename it and start a Phanariotes article from scratch, but it was refused - urging me to make edits on the same article. Due to some disputes I never did it when I had the chance, and right now I don't have the time to devote myself on this (it requires large-scale additions). Up until recently the articles of the most prominent Phanariote families were under their "Romanized" names (e.g. Mavrocordato, Ipsilanti, Kantacouzino etc), but I took care of that. The article must reflect what Phanariotes are really famous for, and the Phanariote rule in Romania must become a mere section (or even a separate article if it becomes too long), but not the topic of the article Phanariotes. I urge the members of this project to start their research in order to eventually assimilate this article in the History of Greece series. Users who live in Greece should find little difficulty in gathering plentiful and credible sources. Miskin 17:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
This article needs a bit more improvement and I'd like the opinion of some editors to see how it can improve and also if possible an informal review and if it can receive a WP HIstory of Greece rating.
Kyriakos
03:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
User Ghirla had the perceptiveness to point out the inconsistency between the naming of the articles Heraklion and Iraklion Archaeological Museum. He informed me about this problem, and, for this reason, I decided to trhrow a poll in order to find a solution for this inconsistency. Please check Talk:Iraklion Archaeological Museum and cast your vote or express your opinion. Thank you!-- Yannismarou 13:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Should we add a new subsection dedicated to the listing of Greek history related articles just created? This would help a lot on keeping a collective eye on all new additions, that may lose themselves in the mare magnum of the subject.-- Aldux 16:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) was greatly expaned and must be re-rated. Mitsos 20:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I created a new articles sub-section according to the discussion we previously had. It looks stubby, but I hope it will attrack the attention it deserves by the members of the group.
It is essential for the functioning of the project to list the new articles within the scope of this project in this section, so that we can categorize, rate and watch them. Please, show to this section the attention it deserves and list there the new article you create. The lack of such a section was a deficiency Aldux underscored.
I also created an Announcement section in the main page I placed it at the top of it with the open tasks. I did that in order to attract immediate attention. Please, feel free to put there any important announcements for our project. Thanks!-- Yannismarou 18:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Macedonia, Macedonia, Macedonia, Macedonia and of course Macedonia? Should we add those in the project of the project? There are others too, like History of Macedonia, Macedonian Question, Demographic history of Macedonia, Greek Struggle for Macedonia etc etc. •NikoSilver• 20:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Firstly i have to say that i am not much familiar on how a wiki project works (since i have not participated in another prior to this one), so, i am not sure if my proposal fits in the scope of this project. I noticed in the 'Announcements and Open tasks' that there are requests for expansion of figures, historical or still active. I am thinking to add Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople there. Though the article about the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople are developed with lots of info, the article about the current Patriarch is rather poor. I think that he deserves a better article. Hectorian 00:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Where was that sub-page/task-force for that? There seems to be an ongoing dispute in Alexander the Great regarding his categorization in homosexuality. The dispute is under mediation. That, I find a relief among all those ethnic debates! Another article needing attention is Homosexuality in ancient Greece, which I saw mentioned in G.Alex's talk, and seems quite active in editing. •NikoSilver• 11:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this article can be regarded as being within the scope of the project, but I thing this notification is worthy: Greek Mythology is up for review in Wikipedia:Featured article review/Greek mythology. I urge any Wikipedian, member or not of this project, who has the ability and the willingness to try to improve this article.-- Yannismarou 11:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I received a notification informing me about the creation of the Wikipedia:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board, and kindly asking me to participate. I want to know your opinion about this initiative: what you think about it; if there are ways this project to participate in this initiative etc.-- Yannismarou 21:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the point of this? Why not a Wikipedia:Greek and Serbian wikipedians cooperation board (lol)? There is already an article called Greek-Serbian Friendship (which, BTW, needs attention because it's full of POV) Mitsos 17:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Re paidia, I was kidding... Mitsos 13:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I have made a complex request to move Draco (on the ancient Athenian) to Draco (lawgiver) and Draco (disambiguation) to Draco. This is based on the premise that a search for "Draco" is equally likely (if not more likely) to be looking for something other than the ancient Athenian. A Google search on "Draco" supports this assumption. If you agree or disagree, please comment on the talk pages for these articles. Dr. Submillimeter 07:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have some suspicions about this supposed breed of dog from Greece. The article claims that it originated in ancient Greece, with the Pelasgians, so I'm bringing it here. Is it commonly depicted in ancient Greek art, as the article claims? There are 10,000+ Google hits for 'Alopekis' but the vast majority of them refer to a street with that name. The plural used in the article, 'Alopekii', has virtually no hits. Any light you could shed on the matter would be most welcome.-- Nydas (Talk) 09:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I was browsing around some WWII Greece related articles and stumbled upon the Template:World_War_II. I was surprised to see that, even though the Dutch famine of 1944 is there under the "Civilian impact and atrocities section" the Greek famine is not. The Dutch famine was a very tragic event indeed with some 10,000 civilian casualties but on the other hand it "dwarfs" comparing to the casualties (70,000 to 300,000 people!) of the famine in the winter of 1941. I did found some references on it though, in articles as Axis occupation of Greece during World War II and SS Kurtuluş but I think it deserves its own article and a place within this template. Taxidiwths 09:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Please could people leave their comments at Talk:Pontic Greek Genocide in order to achieve and improve consensus.-- Yannismarou 16:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Please could people leave their comments at Talk:Pontic Greek Genocide in order to achieve and improve consensus. - Francis Tyers · 12:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Yesterday, I noticed the existence of this project (created a month ago). I was surprised, because I did not know that. The project, though recent, looks to me inactive. In any case, I think that we should seriously discuss here about the future of this project and of ours. What shall we do with the overlaps (if the above project is active, I repeat)? How shall we co-operate? Should they be any thoughts for merger?-- Yannismarou 13:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Merge WP:HOG into WP:GREECE. I agree. Niko Silver 16:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Since there are relatively few people in both projects (especially the Greece one), I think merging them into one is a good idea. If it ever gets big enough that there are a large group of people interested specifically in the history of Greece but not necessarily modern Greece (non-Greek classicists, for example), then we could break out a sub-group. -- Delirium 19:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece#Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece for the discussion. Badbilltucker 17:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I though of this form in order to welcome new members. What do you think? (section also in the project's main talk page)-- Yannismarou 13:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to the WikiProject Greece! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to Greece.
A few features that you might find helpful:
There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to any experienced member of the project, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around!
Feel free to modify the form here: Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece/Outreach/Welcome.-- Yannismarou 14:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
How do we generally add new articles in the scope of the project? Miskin 03:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm requesting for the removal of the WikiProject History of Greece template from the Turkish War of Independence article. I believe that only WikiProject Turkey should be handling it, since it has to do with Turkey. If you think that Greek history has more to do with it than necessary, then we will take our right to handle the Greek War of Independence article as well since Greece used to be Ottoman territory and the war was between Greece and the Ottoman Empire. Please consider. -- WiiVolve 05:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Hippocrates, an article related to this project, is a current Featured article candidate. Comment on the discussion are appreciated. Circeus 19:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to let anyone who is intrested now that Portal:Military of Greece has been created so if anyone wants to help go right ahead. If anyone has any requests for an article to be put on there please contact me on my talk page and I'll try and add it. Kyriakos 03:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Is the infobox in the Constantine Karamanlis article going a bit out of control? What can we do about it? It sure has a lot of redundant information and IMO it looks unattractive. Any thoughts? Thanks. Dr.K. 07:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree for removal. I also note that it is inconsistent with the boxes below, because it hides under the carpet the preceding Junta primer Adamantios Androutsopoulos (along with the relevant note, not to confuse vourtses with p...) Niko Silver 17:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been meaning to start an article (incorporating stuff from the Greek wikipedia article) about the historical KKE Interior (ΚΚΕ Εσωτερικού). The thing that has prevented me from doing so is an ambiguity of how to name the article. I don't quite know how to translate the name. Literal translation would be like Communist Party of Greece of the interior, but that's inherently ugly and ambiguous (much like the greek name of the party...). The history section of the KKE website names it Communist Party of the Interior (along with the usual KKEdish slurs :) ) but this naming excludes the "of Greece" part of the name. Any ideas from more imaginative people than me? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 09:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
It should be called by the nearest translation of its name which makes sense in English, which is probably Communist Party of Greece (Interior). Adam 15:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Whether it's orwellian or not, that's the name they chose to use, and that's what we have to use too. Yes, Dr K, it does have to be an exact translation of esoterikou - we are not at liberty to make up new names which we think sound more euphonious. Adam 19:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Roman-era Greeks—i.e. the inhabitants of Roman Greece and ethnic Greeks who lived in Rome—are currently mostly categorized under Category:Ancient Greeks. That's fine for now, but it seems to me that it'd be useful to have a separate category for them, which would be a sub-category of both that one and of a Roman-people category, maybe Category:Ancient Romans from outside Rome. I'm open to suggestions on the name, but I'd propose something like either Category:Roman Greeks or Category:Roman-era Greeks. While we're at it, it might also be useful to separate out Hellenistic Greeks from Classical Greeks (we've already separated out Hellenistic Egyptians). -- Delirium 09:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work. This is the first party in Greece but the article is very small! Mitsos 20:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as this probject is growing, I'm suggesting that we have a Collaboration. I don't know how long it should run, maybe a fortnight or a month. I think if we collaborate on some articles we can improve them significantly. My other suggestion is that we add a WikiProject: History of Greece Military history taskforce. What does everybody think? Kyriakos 01:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I nominated the Greek War of Independence for acid if anyone wants to go and vote so this article can get the attention it deserves and maybe even get close to A or FA standard. Thanks. Kyriakos 04:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
What is ACID? Any links? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
As I have pointed out in its talk page, the newly-created article Greece in the Middle Ages is a blatant POV-fork of Roman and Byzantine Greece (merge of former articles Roman Greece and Medieval Greece). For the reasons explained, it should be proposed for deletion. My personal opinion is that the creator and editor of the article is using wikipedia as medium of POV-pushing (this is also evident from his own statements and past behaviour). Miskin 13:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Inspired by an initiative of the Military history project, the most innovative project of Wikipedia, I initiated some changes in the parameters of {{ WPHOG}}. These changes allow the reviewer who evaluates the quality of an article and rates it to check five criteria, in order to determine whether an article deserves B-Class rating or not. These criteria were initially adopted by the Milhist project after the discussion here. I think these criteria are applicable in our project as well. After these changes, I also rewrote the quality scale of our project. In the quality scale I also mentioned what seems to become a generally accepted principle in Wikipedia; that articles should not be rated above 'B', unless they are already rated as 'GA' by Wikipedia:Good articles/Candidates.
After the inclusion of the new parameters, an article can be evaluated based on the above 5 criteria with just the addition of the project's template. For all the details concerning the use of the new parameters , check "Usage" in {{ WPHOG}}.
If you have concerns about these changes, please voice yourself. Please, also, feel free to propose further improvements. Personally, I believe that such procedures help us thoroughly evaluate the articles of our project and evaluate their quality. But, in case there are objections, we can re-examine the above changes.-- Yannismarou 17:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Could some of you WP-HOGs please give a quick check to Giorgos Siantos and perhaps get a source or two? Page was created by a newcomer the other day, copied from phantis.com. Looks decent, but has no sources so far. Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Pffff!!! I think most of the merger task is completed! I'll check tomorrow for possible mistakes of mine (they definitely exist!). Any assistance is welcome!-- Yannismarou 21:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I have come up with two task force ideas.
What does everyone think? Kyriakos 07:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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Constantine Andreou has been proposed for deletion, thought it note worthy to mention on this forum. STTW (talk) 12:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've read of comparisons between the myth of Prometheus and Jesus, but the article on Prometheus doesn't mention any such similarity. Both are said to have "brought the divine light" to the people and both were punished harshly for this. If anyone is familiar with comparative religion or mythology and has some references to indicate this, can you please help out?
I've cross-posted this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Mythology as it is more relevant to that project and I'm not sure how concerned modern Greeks are with mythology. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 07:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at Ptolemaida? The history section is a train wreck. Jkelly 19:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
It actually looked like something from one of my nightmares. Anyway, I cleaned up soem parts of the history section to make it look acceptable. Kyriakos 05:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Another request -- I keep meaning to get around to this, but there's whole galleries of images at Greece, Athens, and Thessaloniki that will probably get removed. A number were just removed from Greece. Can interested editors check to make sure that any of these that aren't at Wikimedia Commons get moved there? If they aren't, they are likely to get lost here at en: without being in articles. Jkelly 02:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I created a Category:Greek Civil War, but it needs to be populated. There must be enough (potential) articles, on revolutionary organisations, events, leaders... Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Another editor has expressed concern that the Hellenic Mathematical Society article has very little content. Could someone please expand that article? There is no article at el:Ελληνική Μαθηματική Εταιρεία in the Greek Wikipedia, but perhaps there is one under a different name which could serve as a starting point for the English article. -- Eastmain 06:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to request that WPHOG template support the small option. Combining it with several other project templates clutters up the talk page enormously. -- Free smyrnan 12:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I moved all the "History of Greece" templates to just plain "Greece" and updating the project's main page to use the new names and not use the redirect. The only one I haven't updated is the large userbox as I can't come up with a new name. At some point, I'll start updating the existing articles tagged with the {{WPHOG}} banner to use the new {{WPGreece}} one. -- Kimon 20:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
In case I've done something wrong and you've missed it, I started a new article yesterday for the Greek Expeditionary Force (Korea). While working on several different aspects of the Korean War and other elated pages, I've noticed that the countries that participated seemed to be lacking pages denoting the sacrifices their countries forces made. And while I was researching some information for an article on Outpost Harry, I ran across what I think was enough information to begin an article. So far it's pretty much a mess. I copied in some of the relevant information I found from two different web sites, but I'm sure there's probably more. The current state of the formatting is terrible, etc. I was just in a rush yesterday and didn't want to lose the information I'd found and I think all of the participating nations should eventually have pages denoting their forces sacrifice. Any help anybody could provide would be appreciated. I would imagine there's a lot more information available in Greek than English. Thanks. wbfergus 11:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed we 've been putting the wikiproject template on greek-history-related articles. I've also noticed that some of us place the template on the main article space, not the talk page. I believe we should be adding the template on talk pages, as I've seen for example the wikiproject military history wikipedians do. -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 22:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I thank the members of the group who have started putting the template and rating articles. Just be careful about the criteria we should use, in order to evaluate an article. Just check the assessment scale in Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. For instance, I saw that History of modern Greece was rated as A-Class. This is not correct, since the article has just 3 inline citations and very few references. This is very poor for an A-Class article. It may not even meet criteria for GA. Again, thank you!-- Yannismarou 15:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece/Assessment
I now created an assessment department with instructions and other useful information. I also gave the possibility for anybody who wants it to ask the assessment of an article by the group members, if he does not want to conduct it himself.
In the Wikiproject military history A-Class status is awarded only after an official request, review and decision of the group after the request. I donot think if you want to establish a similar procedure in our project. The fact that we are not too many, in fact for the time being, could be a problem.--
Yannismarou
16:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Would you like to establish a collaboration of the month? I have in mind some articles that might need our attention.-- Yannismarou 17:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Adam talked about "the tendency of many contributors (not just Greek ones, of course) to write patriotic history".
I think the project could go in POV articles and improve them through collaboration. I ask Adam and other users to name such articles and propose them for improvement. I think this is a very interesting field for action.
Recently, me, Argos' Dad, Dr. K, Rastapopoulos, Michalis and others got involved in Metapolitefsi that had similar problems and I think we managed to improve the article. This proves we can achive things.-- Yannismarou 08:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Per the example of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Outreach/Newsletter_August_2006 and others, I propose that Wikipedia:WikiProject_History_of_Greece#Open_tasks is forwarded monthly to all members. I am not sure how this can be done though... •NikoSilver• 10:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the article desperately needs an image of Grivas. I 'd be glad if someone could find one. Mitsos 18:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.
The plugin has two main modes of operation:
As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.
For more information see:
Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. -- Kingboyk 13:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, of course, sorry I didn't looked at the title. Mitsos 10:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
This article certainly needs to be improved. What do you think? Mitsos 10:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I 'm not an anarchist either, (μαλλον το αντιθετο...) so I don't think I can write much about anarchism in Greece. However, I think it's very important and someone who is interested could do it. Mitsos 15:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Also we need to work at George Grivas. Mitsos 15:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion this is an article that should be within the project's priority list. Phanariotes are of invaluable importance to the rebirth of modern Greek nationalism, the Greek war of independence and the very foundation of the Greek Kingdom. Instead, the article currently focuses on the Phanariote regime in the Danubian provinces, which is of secondary importance to Greek history and to the Phanariote sphere of influence. It's being 'protected' by Romanian editors, whose edits and arguments are based on one-sided views and original reasearch. Basically the real subject of the current article is the "Phanariote rule in Romania", and I have numerous times offered to rename it and start a Phanariotes article from scratch, but it was refused - urging me to make edits on the same article. Due to some disputes I never did it when I had the chance, and right now I don't have the time to devote myself on this (it requires large-scale additions). Up until recently the articles of the most prominent Phanariote families were under their "Romanized" names (e.g. Mavrocordato, Ipsilanti, Kantacouzino etc), but I took care of that. The article must reflect what Phanariotes are really famous for, and the Phanariote rule in Romania must become a mere section (or even a separate article if it becomes too long), but not the topic of the article Phanariotes. I urge the members of this project to start their research in order to eventually assimilate this article in the History of Greece series. Users who live in Greece should find little difficulty in gathering plentiful and credible sources. Miskin 17:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
This article needs a bit more improvement and I'd like the opinion of some editors to see how it can improve and also if possible an informal review and if it can receive a WP HIstory of Greece rating.
Kyriakos
03:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
User Ghirla had the perceptiveness to point out the inconsistency between the naming of the articles Heraklion and Iraklion Archaeological Museum. He informed me about this problem, and, for this reason, I decided to trhrow a poll in order to find a solution for this inconsistency. Please check Talk:Iraklion Archaeological Museum and cast your vote or express your opinion. Thank you!-- Yannismarou 13:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Should we add a new subsection dedicated to the listing of Greek history related articles just created? This would help a lot on keeping a collective eye on all new additions, that may lose themselves in the mare magnum of the subject.-- Aldux 16:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) was greatly expaned and must be re-rated. Mitsos 20:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I created a new articles sub-section according to the discussion we previously had. It looks stubby, but I hope it will attrack the attention it deserves by the members of the group.
It is essential for the functioning of the project to list the new articles within the scope of this project in this section, so that we can categorize, rate and watch them. Please, show to this section the attention it deserves and list there the new article you create. The lack of such a section was a deficiency Aldux underscored.
I also created an Announcement section in the main page I placed it at the top of it with the open tasks. I did that in order to attract immediate attention. Please, feel free to put there any important announcements for our project. Thanks!-- Yannismarou 18:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Macedonia, Macedonia, Macedonia, Macedonia and of course Macedonia? Should we add those in the project of the project? There are others too, like History of Macedonia, Macedonian Question, Demographic history of Macedonia, Greek Struggle for Macedonia etc etc. •NikoSilver• 20:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Firstly i have to say that i am not much familiar on how a wiki project works (since i have not participated in another prior to this one), so, i am not sure if my proposal fits in the scope of this project. I noticed in the 'Announcements and Open tasks' that there are requests for expansion of figures, historical or still active. I am thinking to add Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople there. Though the article about the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople are developed with lots of info, the article about the current Patriarch is rather poor. I think that he deserves a better article. Hectorian 00:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Where was that sub-page/task-force for that? There seems to be an ongoing dispute in Alexander the Great regarding his categorization in homosexuality. The dispute is under mediation. That, I find a relief among all those ethnic debates! Another article needing attention is Homosexuality in ancient Greece, which I saw mentioned in G.Alex's talk, and seems quite active in editing. •NikoSilver• 11:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this article can be regarded as being within the scope of the project, but I thing this notification is worthy: Greek Mythology is up for review in Wikipedia:Featured article review/Greek mythology. I urge any Wikipedian, member or not of this project, who has the ability and the willingness to try to improve this article.-- Yannismarou 11:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I received a notification informing me about the creation of the Wikipedia:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board, and kindly asking me to participate. I want to know your opinion about this initiative: what you think about it; if there are ways this project to participate in this initiative etc.-- Yannismarou 21:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the point of this? Why not a Wikipedia:Greek and Serbian wikipedians cooperation board (lol)? There is already an article called Greek-Serbian Friendship (which, BTW, needs attention because it's full of POV) Mitsos 17:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Re paidia, I was kidding... Mitsos 13:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I have made a complex request to move Draco (on the ancient Athenian) to Draco (lawgiver) and Draco (disambiguation) to Draco. This is based on the premise that a search for "Draco" is equally likely (if not more likely) to be looking for something other than the ancient Athenian. A Google search on "Draco" supports this assumption. If you agree or disagree, please comment on the talk pages for these articles. Dr. Submillimeter 07:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have some suspicions about this supposed breed of dog from Greece. The article claims that it originated in ancient Greece, with the Pelasgians, so I'm bringing it here. Is it commonly depicted in ancient Greek art, as the article claims? There are 10,000+ Google hits for 'Alopekis' but the vast majority of them refer to a street with that name. The plural used in the article, 'Alopekii', has virtually no hits. Any light you could shed on the matter would be most welcome.-- Nydas (Talk) 09:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I was browsing around some WWII Greece related articles and stumbled upon the Template:World_War_II. I was surprised to see that, even though the Dutch famine of 1944 is there under the "Civilian impact and atrocities section" the Greek famine is not. The Dutch famine was a very tragic event indeed with some 10,000 civilian casualties but on the other hand it "dwarfs" comparing to the casualties (70,000 to 300,000 people!) of the famine in the winter of 1941. I did found some references on it though, in articles as Axis occupation of Greece during World War II and SS Kurtuluş but I think it deserves its own article and a place within this template. Taxidiwths 09:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Please could people leave their comments at Talk:Pontic Greek Genocide in order to achieve and improve consensus.-- Yannismarou 16:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Please could people leave their comments at Talk:Pontic Greek Genocide in order to achieve and improve consensus. - Francis Tyers · 12:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Yesterday, I noticed the existence of this project (created a month ago). I was surprised, because I did not know that. The project, though recent, looks to me inactive. In any case, I think that we should seriously discuss here about the future of this project and of ours. What shall we do with the overlaps (if the above project is active, I repeat)? How shall we co-operate? Should they be any thoughts for merger?-- Yannismarou 13:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Merge WP:HOG into WP:GREECE. I agree. Niko Silver 16:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Since there are relatively few people in both projects (especially the Greece one), I think merging them into one is a good idea. If it ever gets big enough that there are a large group of people interested specifically in the history of Greece but not necessarily modern Greece (non-Greek classicists, for example), then we could break out a sub-group. -- Delirium 19:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece#Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece for the discussion. Badbilltucker 17:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I though of this form in order to welcome new members. What do you think? (section also in the project's main talk page)-- Yannismarou 13:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to the WikiProject Greece! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to Greece.
A few features that you might find helpful:
There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to any experienced member of the project, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around!
Feel free to modify the form here: Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece/Outreach/Welcome.-- Yannismarou 14:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
How do we generally add new articles in the scope of the project? Miskin 03:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm requesting for the removal of the WikiProject History of Greece template from the Turkish War of Independence article. I believe that only WikiProject Turkey should be handling it, since it has to do with Turkey. If you think that Greek history has more to do with it than necessary, then we will take our right to handle the Greek War of Independence article as well since Greece used to be Ottoman territory and the war was between Greece and the Ottoman Empire. Please consider. -- WiiVolve 05:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Hippocrates, an article related to this project, is a current Featured article candidate. Comment on the discussion are appreciated. Circeus 19:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to let anyone who is intrested now that Portal:Military of Greece has been created so if anyone wants to help go right ahead. If anyone has any requests for an article to be put on there please contact me on my talk page and I'll try and add it. Kyriakos 03:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Is the infobox in the Constantine Karamanlis article going a bit out of control? What can we do about it? It sure has a lot of redundant information and IMO it looks unattractive. Any thoughts? Thanks. Dr.K. 07:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree for removal. I also note that it is inconsistent with the boxes below, because it hides under the carpet the preceding Junta primer Adamantios Androutsopoulos (along with the relevant note, not to confuse vourtses with p...) Niko Silver 17:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been meaning to start an article (incorporating stuff from the Greek wikipedia article) about the historical KKE Interior (ΚΚΕ Εσωτερικού). The thing that has prevented me from doing so is an ambiguity of how to name the article. I don't quite know how to translate the name. Literal translation would be like Communist Party of Greece of the interior, but that's inherently ugly and ambiguous (much like the greek name of the party...). The history section of the KKE website names it Communist Party of the Interior (along with the usual KKEdish slurs :) ) but this naming excludes the "of Greece" part of the name. Any ideas from more imaginative people than me? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 09:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
It should be called by the nearest translation of its name which makes sense in English, which is probably Communist Party of Greece (Interior). Adam 15:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Whether it's orwellian or not, that's the name they chose to use, and that's what we have to use too. Yes, Dr K, it does have to be an exact translation of esoterikou - we are not at liberty to make up new names which we think sound more euphonious. Adam 19:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Roman-era Greeks—i.e. the inhabitants of Roman Greece and ethnic Greeks who lived in Rome—are currently mostly categorized under Category:Ancient Greeks. That's fine for now, but it seems to me that it'd be useful to have a separate category for them, which would be a sub-category of both that one and of a Roman-people category, maybe Category:Ancient Romans from outside Rome. I'm open to suggestions on the name, but I'd propose something like either Category:Roman Greeks or Category:Roman-era Greeks. While we're at it, it might also be useful to separate out Hellenistic Greeks from Classical Greeks (we've already separated out Hellenistic Egyptians). -- Delirium 09:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work. This is the first party in Greece but the article is very small! Mitsos 20:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as this probject is growing, I'm suggesting that we have a Collaboration. I don't know how long it should run, maybe a fortnight or a month. I think if we collaborate on some articles we can improve them significantly. My other suggestion is that we add a WikiProject: History of Greece Military history taskforce. What does everybody think? Kyriakos 01:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I nominated the Greek War of Independence for acid if anyone wants to go and vote so this article can get the attention it deserves and maybe even get close to A or FA standard. Thanks. Kyriakos 04:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
What is ACID? Any links? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
As I have pointed out in its talk page, the newly-created article Greece in the Middle Ages is a blatant POV-fork of Roman and Byzantine Greece (merge of former articles Roman Greece and Medieval Greece). For the reasons explained, it should be proposed for deletion. My personal opinion is that the creator and editor of the article is using wikipedia as medium of POV-pushing (this is also evident from his own statements and past behaviour). Miskin 13:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Inspired by an initiative of the Military history project, the most innovative project of Wikipedia, I initiated some changes in the parameters of {{ WPHOG}}. These changes allow the reviewer who evaluates the quality of an article and rates it to check five criteria, in order to determine whether an article deserves B-Class rating or not. These criteria were initially adopted by the Milhist project after the discussion here. I think these criteria are applicable in our project as well. After these changes, I also rewrote the quality scale of our project. In the quality scale I also mentioned what seems to become a generally accepted principle in Wikipedia; that articles should not be rated above 'B', unless they are already rated as 'GA' by Wikipedia:Good articles/Candidates.
After the inclusion of the new parameters, an article can be evaluated based on the above 5 criteria with just the addition of the project's template. For all the details concerning the use of the new parameters , check "Usage" in {{ WPHOG}}.
If you have concerns about these changes, please voice yourself. Please, also, feel free to propose further improvements. Personally, I believe that such procedures help us thoroughly evaluate the articles of our project and evaluate their quality. But, in case there are objections, we can re-examine the above changes.-- Yannismarou 17:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Could some of you WP-HOGs please give a quick check to Giorgos Siantos and perhaps get a source or two? Page was created by a newcomer the other day, copied from phantis.com. Looks decent, but has no sources so far. Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Pffff!!! I think most of the merger task is completed! I'll check tomorrow for possible mistakes of mine (they definitely exist!). Any assistance is welcome!-- Yannismarou 21:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I have come up with two task force ideas.
What does everyone think? Kyriakos 07:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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Constantine Andreou has been proposed for deletion, thought it note worthy to mention on this forum. STTW (talk) 12:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've read of comparisons between the myth of Prometheus and Jesus, but the article on Prometheus doesn't mention any such similarity. Both are said to have "brought the divine light" to the people and both were punished harshly for this. If anyone is familiar with comparative religion or mythology and has some references to indicate this, can you please help out?
I've cross-posted this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Mythology as it is more relevant to that project and I'm not sure how concerned modern Greeks are with mythology. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 07:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at Ptolemaida? The history section is a train wreck. Jkelly 19:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
It actually looked like something from one of my nightmares. Anyway, I cleaned up soem parts of the history section to make it look acceptable. Kyriakos 05:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Another request -- I keep meaning to get around to this, but there's whole galleries of images at Greece, Athens, and Thessaloniki that will probably get removed. A number were just removed from Greece. Can interested editors check to make sure that any of these that aren't at Wikimedia Commons get moved there? If they aren't, they are likely to get lost here at en: without being in articles. Jkelly 02:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I created a Category:Greek Civil War, but it needs to be populated. There must be enough (potential) articles, on revolutionary organisations, events, leaders... Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Another editor has expressed concern that the Hellenic Mathematical Society article has very little content. Could someone please expand that article? There is no article at el:Ελληνική Μαθηματική Εταιρεία in the Greek Wikipedia, but perhaps there is one under a different name which could serve as a starting point for the English article. -- Eastmain 06:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to request that WPHOG template support the small option. Combining it with several other project templates clutters up the talk page enormously. -- Free smyrnan 12:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I moved all the "History of Greece" templates to just plain "Greece" and updating the project's main page to use the new names and not use the redirect. The only one I haven't updated is the large userbox as I can't come up with a new name. At some point, I'll start updating the existing articles tagged with the {{WPHOG}} banner to use the new {{WPGreece}} one. -- Kimon 20:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)