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@ Hmlarson: What do you mean here, what kind of criteries should have a non-FPL player to meet GNG. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres ( talk) 22:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Upon review of the American Soccer League(s), there are three currently listed within the scope of this project (with a fourth, most newest version not). I attempted to find any sort of discussion as to how the level of professionalism was determined, but was unable to within the Archives of this project. It appears as though American Soccer League (1921–33) is considered professional because of this source and American Soccer League (1988–89) is considered professional because of this source, however American Soccer League (1933–83) is not considered professional because of this source. " My questions would be where/how was this determined, and by who? If we are taking the sourcing all at face value (as they come from the same place), why is one not professional while the others are? The "non-professional" league has the source state "But this also is the longest running professional league in U. S. history," which seems that it should be considered as professional.
Can anyone else with a bit more experience chime in here as it relates to these three leagues? GauchoDude ( talk) 20:34, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Would this source be good to add Jamaica and Haiti to the FPL list? -- SuperJew ( talk) 22:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Just recently, Asturkian added Primera División (women) to the women's top divisions which are not fully-pro list, and then Fenix down reverted it saying "Am I missing something, I can't see where in the ref it states this is not a fully pro competition." The source itself says "In line with the company's commitment to promoting gender equality, talent and the development of the role of women in society, the Women's First Division Football League has become a professional competition, officially called Iberdrola Women's First Division RFEF." which to me sounds like it's going fully-pro. Therefore I would think it should be added to the fully-pro list, no? If not, then by default it should be added to the women's top divisions which are not fully-pro list. As a general point, I don't understand why the women's top divisions which are not fully-pro list doesn't have more leagues in it and why there is a need to reference leagues on it - if a top-divison league isn't in the fully-pro list then by default it should be on this one. -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:21, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
References
The Iraqi premier league is a fully pro league that participates(and wins) in Asian continental club competitions yet it is not listed as one.
@ Number 57: This is a letter from Mr Gianni Infantino addressed to Iraq FA congratulating the recent winner of the competition. A FIFA president wouldn't acknowledge a non pro league, if that is not sufficient please tell me a required proof and I will try to find it. https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Firaqfa%2Fposts%2F1564072460310658&width=500
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Number 57: I have official PDF document from Iraqi FA detailing all the requirements to participate in the Iraqi league ( from player contracts to infrastructure to media personnel etc) these requirements are typical of a professional league (i.e all personnel are paid, all players under official contract and registered with FIFA, all managers have "A" coaching certificate etc) However it is in arabic and no English translation exists. Is this good enough ?
Alitheboss55 (
talk) 23:31, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
{{ping|Number 57} ifa.iq/up/lic/Licensing-ar.pdf
The entire document is about the requirements. Section 14 states that all head coaches need "A" certificate issued by the AFC, 17 states that all players need to have a contract. Alitheboss55 ( talk) 13:47, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Fenix down: These requirements are all from the Asian football federation, they are the ones who decide what make a professional league in their confederation. https://clas.afc-link.com/auth
You can download the PDF here in english issued by the AFC detailing all the requirements, these requirements are all typical of a fully professional league, and there is no chance that a club may meet these requirements without being fully-professional. Furthermore, any club who does not obtain the AFC Licensing certificate will not be allowed to participate in the next edition of the Iraqi premier league. Alitheboss55 ( talk) 15:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Fenix down: You can not participate in the Asian Champions league if you are not a fully pro league. Iraq will be allowed back into the competition starting the next(2018) edition. ( [1]). Also Page 53 of the attached PDF shows that all all players must have a professional contract.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 20 | ← | Archive 23 | Archive 24 | Archive 25 | Archive 26 | Archive 27 | → | Archive 30 |
@ Hmlarson: What do you mean here, what kind of criteries should have a non-FPL player to meet GNG. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres ( talk) 22:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Upon review of the American Soccer League(s), there are three currently listed within the scope of this project (with a fourth, most newest version not). I attempted to find any sort of discussion as to how the level of professionalism was determined, but was unable to within the Archives of this project. It appears as though American Soccer League (1921–33) is considered professional because of this source and American Soccer League (1988–89) is considered professional because of this source, however American Soccer League (1933–83) is not considered professional because of this source. " My questions would be where/how was this determined, and by who? If we are taking the sourcing all at face value (as they come from the same place), why is one not professional while the others are? The "non-professional" league has the source state "But this also is the longest running professional league in U. S. history," which seems that it should be considered as professional.
Can anyone else with a bit more experience chime in here as it relates to these three leagues? GauchoDude ( talk) 20:34, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Would this source be good to add Jamaica and Haiti to the FPL list? -- SuperJew ( talk) 22:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Just recently, Asturkian added Primera División (women) to the women's top divisions which are not fully-pro list, and then Fenix down reverted it saying "Am I missing something, I can't see where in the ref it states this is not a fully pro competition." The source itself says "In line with the company's commitment to promoting gender equality, talent and the development of the role of women in society, the Women's First Division Football League has become a professional competition, officially called Iberdrola Women's First Division RFEF." which to me sounds like it's going fully-pro. Therefore I would think it should be added to the fully-pro list, no? If not, then by default it should be added to the women's top divisions which are not fully-pro list. As a general point, I don't understand why the women's top divisions which are not fully-pro list doesn't have more leagues in it and why there is a need to reference leagues on it - if a top-divison league isn't in the fully-pro list then by default it should be on this one. -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:21, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
References
The Iraqi premier league is a fully pro league that participates(and wins) in Asian continental club competitions yet it is not listed as one.
@ Number 57: This is a letter from Mr Gianni Infantino addressed to Iraq FA congratulating the recent winner of the competition. A FIFA president wouldn't acknowledge a non pro league, if that is not sufficient please tell me a required proof and I will try to find it. https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Firaqfa%2Fposts%2F1564072460310658&width=500
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Number 57: I have official PDF document from Iraqi FA detailing all the requirements to participate in the Iraqi league ( from player contracts to infrastructure to media personnel etc) these requirements are typical of a professional league (i.e all personnel are paid, all players under official contract and registered with FIFA, all managers have "A" coaching certificate etc) However it is in arabic and no English translation exists. Is this good enough ?
Alitheboss55 (
talk) 23:31, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
{{ping|Number 57} ifa.iq/up/lic/Licensing-ar.pdf
The entire document is about the requirements. Section 14 states that all head coaches need "A" certificate issued by the AFC, 17 states that all players need to have a contract. Alitheboss55 ( talk) 13:47, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Fenix down: These requirements are all from the Asian football federation, they are the ones who decide what make a professional league in their confederation. https://clas.afc-link.com/auth
You can download the PDF here in english issued by the AFC detailing all the requirements, these requirements are all typical of a fully professional league, and there is no chance that a club may meet these requirements without being fully-professional. Furthermore, any club who does not obtain the AFC Licensing certificate will not be allowed to participate in the next edition of the Iraqi premier league. Alitheboss55 ( talk) 15:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Fenix down: You can not participate in the Asian Champions league if you are not a fully pro league. Iraq will be allowed back into the competition starting the next(2018) edition. ( [1]). Also Page 53 of the attached PDF shows that all all players must have a professional contract.