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I've noticed Azerbaijan Premier League became part of EPFL. I think it should be added to the list. Here is proof http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/profile_aze_pfl.htm
Moreover, they display league in this list http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/member_leagues.htm
I think this is more than enough evidence.-- Xoncha ( talk) 09:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
I think we may need to put a hatnote on this page about using the EPFL given how often it seems to be used as justification. Perhaps as part of an FAQ? Number 5 7 11:07, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Ecuadorian Serie A, professional? Our article here begins by saying "...Primera A, is a professional football league in Ecuador." But it is not listed in the list neither a pro or no pro. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:26, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
This might have come up before. The whole pro vs semi-pro has been a headache. It is understandable that we don't want 1000 articles with questionable to no notability. However, I think that the top flight in any country is inherently notable and inclusion of teams in that league would be beneficial to the reader.
The notable cups is useful but this would take it farther and clear up confusion. Obviously, lower tier leagues could still stay within the current parameters. Cptnono ( talk) 19:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I still think some kind of attendance-based criteria may be a possible answer;
In England and Scotland at least, the minimum attendance for fully-pro clubs is generally somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 (and this seems to be roughly similar across Europe, at least based on what we have confirmed as being fully pro leagues), so a threshold of 1,500 might be sensible, although there would also have to be exceptions (for instance when Rangers were in SFL divisions 2 and 3, they bumped the average attendances up to over 5,000 when typically they'd be less than 10% of that).
The changes wouldn't necessarily be that huge. Based on our current list, the entire change list for UEFA leagues are detailed below (top divisions are bolded):
As can be seen, the gap between some of the leagues is huge - a couple of non-listed leagues have average attendances over 10 times higher than some we do have listed, which is a significant discrepancy.
I can potentially see there being issues about giving a blanket allowance to players from non fully-pro leagues that still meet the attendance criteria (e.g. I'm not sure it's a good idea to have articles on Football Conference players), so perhaps if editors are uncomfortable adopting this as the sole definer of status, it could be used as a back-up when there is no definite proof either way as to whether a league is fully pro or not (e.g. in the example of Costa Rica). Number 5 7 12:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Another question: is there a stadium notability guideline, or the FPL list can be applied to them too?
Thanks, MYS 77 ✉ 04:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I saw that Campeonato Paulista is listed as a fully pro competition, but Campeonato Carioca, Campeonato Mineiro and Campeonato Gaúcho and others are professional too, according to their federations.
1) In Campeonato Carioca, the first paragraph of the regulation, it says: O Campeonato Estadual de Futebol da Série A de profissionais será realizado com a participação de 16 associações a saber [...];
2) Mineiro: in the Art. 21, it says: É vedada a participação de atletas não profissionais com idade superior a 20 (vinte) anos., which means that only professional and youth players (yes, in Brazil a player can have a youth contract until his 20th birthday) can play;
3) Gauchão: The same rules as the Mineiro are applied, only with a limit of three youth players.
Why they aren't in the list? Cheers, MYS 77 ✉ 19:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
In what way does the Polish FA document saying "professional league" from it's official website and an article in Polish biggest sporting newspaper stating the sentence "the licence should be no surprise to anyone as PZPN has professionalised the Ekstraklasa, I liga and II liga" not clear enough for you? Abcmaxx ( talk) 21:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
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Regarding Portugal reference, I believe article five of the regulation it's the most appropriate. It's in Portuguese but it roughly translates to "It's official the matches played in the Primeira Liga, Segunda Liga, Portuguese Cup, League Cup and Supercup organized by the Portuguese League of Professional Football and Portuguese Football Federation"-- Threeohsix ( talk) 12:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Threeohsix ( talk) 12:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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13:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)There is "Portugal - Primeira and Segunda Liga", and then it has a reference. It's written "needs a specific cite" on the reference. My answer is that the specific cite is the article five because of the reasons above described.-- Threeohsix ( talk) 20:42, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | ← | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | Archive 17 | Archive 18 | → | Archive 20 |
I've noticed Azerbaijan Premier League became part of EPFL. I think it should be added to the list. Here is proof http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/profile_aze_pfl.htm
Moreover, they display league in this list http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/member_leagues.htm
I think this is more than enough evidence.-- Xoncha ( talk) 09:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
I think we may need to put a hatnote on this page about using the EPFL given how often it seems to be used as justification. Perhaps as part of an FAQ? Number 5 7 11:07, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Ecuadorian Serie A, professional? Our article here begins by saying "...Primera A, is a professional football league in Ecuador." But it is not listed in the list neither a pro or no pro. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:26, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
This might have come up before. The whole pro vs semi-pro has been a headache. It is understandable that we don't want 1000 articles with questionable to no notability. However, I think that the top flight in any country is inherently notable and inclusion of teams in that league would be beneficial to the reader.
The notable cups is useful but this would take it farther and clear up confusion. Obviously, lower tier leagues could still stay within the current parameters. Cptnono ( talk) 19:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I still think some kind of attendance-based criteria may be a possible answer;
In England and Scotland at least, the minimum attendance for fully-pro clubs is generally somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 (and this seems to be roughly similar across Europe, at least based on what we have confirmed as being fully pro leagues), so a threshold of 1,500 might be sensible, although there would also have to be exceptions (for instance when Rangers were in SFL divisions 2 and 3, they bumped the average attendances up to over 5,000 when typically they'd be less than 10% of that).
The changes wouldn't necessarily be that huge. Based on our current list, the entire change list for UEFA leagues are detailed below (top divisions are bolded):
As can be seen, the gap between some of the leagues is huge - a couple of non-listed leagues have average attendances over 10 times higher than some we do have listed, which is a significant discrepancy.
I can potentially see there being issues about giving a blanket allowance to players from non fully-pro leagues that still meet the attendance criteria (e.g. I'm not sure it's a good idea to have articles on Football Conference players), so perhaps if editors are uncomfortable adopting this as the sole definer of status, it could be used as a back-up when there is no definite proof either way as to whether a league is fully pro or not (e.g. in the example of Costa Rica). Number 5 7 12:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Another question: is there a stadium notability guideline, or the FPL list can be applied to them too?
Thanks, MYS 77 ✉ 04:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I saw that Campeonato Paulista is listed as a fully pro competition, but Campeonato Carioca, Campeonato Mineiro and Campeonato Gaúcho and others are professional too, according to their federations.
1) In Campeonato Carioca, the first paragraph of the regulation, it says: O Campeonato Estadual de Futebol da Série A de profissionais será realizado com a participação de 16 associações a saber [...];
2) Mineiro: in the Art. 21, it says: É vedada a participação de atletas não profissionais com idade superior a 20 (vinte) anos., which means that only professional and youth players (yes, in Brazil a player can have a youth contract until his 20th birthday) can play;
3) Gauchão: The same rules as the Mineiro are applied, only with a limit of three youth players.
Why they aren't in the list? Cheers, MYS 77 ✉ 19:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
In what way does the Polish FA document saying "professional league" from it's official website and an article in Polish biggest sporting newspaper stating the sentence "the licence should be no surprise to anyone as PZPN has professionalised the Ekstraklasa, I liga and II liga" not clear enough for you? Abcmaxx ( talk) 21:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Regarding Portugal reference, I believe article five of the regulation it's the most appropriate. It's in Portuguese but it roughly translates to "It's official the matches played in the Primeira Liga, Segunda Liga, Portuguese Cup, League Cup and Supercup organized by the Portuguese League of Professional Football and Portuguese Football Federation"-- Threeohsix ( talk) 12:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Threeohsix ( talk) 12:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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13:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)There is "Portugal - Primeira and Segunda Liga", and then it has a reference. It's written "needs a specific cite" on the reference. My answer is that the specific cite is the article five because of the reasons above described.-- Threeohsix ( talk) 20:42, 23 April 2015 (UTC)