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I was wondering, since it isn't named in either of the lists here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues Azrail Kabir ( talk) 14:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Azrail Kabir ( talk) 22:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm looking at the references currently included and the following are not actually referencing anything other than the leagues main website
Can anyone find any better references? => Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 18:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Based on this, it looks like at the end of this season Italy will be re-organising their league system, at the expense of professional clubs/leagues. Watch this space. Giant Snowman 14:11, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
The supporting reference for the Korean leagues does not say that the second tier K League Challenge is fully professional. Is there a reference that says that Sangju Sangmu FC and Korean Police FC are now fully pro clubs? Hack ( talk) 16:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
This article in the Korea Joongang Daily (in English) says that professional players, including Korea internationals and the 2012 Asian Player of the Year, are doing their compulsory national service as footballers with the military and police teams. Which rather implies that even if the financial structure of those two clubs differs from the others, you can be sure that a) those players aren't living on squaddies' wages; and b) the media coverage of those clubs and their players, which is actually the point of the FPL thing, is going to be no different from that of any of the other clubs. As such, I see no argument against including both divisions in the FPL list. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
This make me wonder: if a player plays in a "semi-pro" league, but played in Europa League or Champions League, then he could be created or not? Cheers -- MYS 77 talk with me ☺ 15:35, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Another question: a manager is only considered "fully-pro" when he manages a fully-pro team or he needs to have played in a fully-pro league in the past? Cheers,
MYS
77
talk with me ☺
16:28, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Another question which confused me for a long time: If a player just played in the domestic cup like FA Cup or League Cup, it's notable or non-notable? Could I creat an artical for him? It does not look to fill the notability criteria, but I notice that similar articles like Héctor Bellerín, Thomas Eisfeld, Isaac Hayden and so on had been created. - Alexchen4836 ( talk) 02:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
I just knew that China League One and China League Two were not counted as "fully professional league" in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. There were few files in English version of China's second and third tier leagues. But according to Regulations of China League One ( The official program of 2013 China League One, Page 8):
And according to China League One official website, "中国足球甲级联赛是由中国足球协会组织的,由国内职业足球俱乐部参加的全国次高水平的足球职业联赛…" (China League One, which organized by Chinese Football Association, is the second highest professional league attended by professional football clubs in the country…) China League One is a football league played by professional football club and administered by professional League Council. All players are fully paid in the China League One.
China League Two is a special league in China. In recent years, there were some arguments in China about the league is professional league or semi-professional league. After 2011, Chinese Football Association announced that not only football clubs, but also football teams under the leadership of local Football Association (which was just appeared in China) could attended in China League Two. Football teams must follow football club's organization and players are fully paid by local public finance expenditure in sports. When these football teams promoted to China League One, they would be reorganized as football clubs. Amateur football teams could not attend in the China League Two unless they reorganized themselves as professional football clubs. Is China League Two counted as "fully pro league"? -- Alexchen4836 ( talk) 02:16, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Inspired by User:Daftcelt's Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Scotland Semi-professional Football Team I researched this team's past results. It seems that in the recent past (late 1980s) it comprised Scottish Football League players who were all part-time and playing for second tier teams like Dunfermline, Clyde, Morton and Kilmarnock. This team apparently lapsed in 1987 and was relaunched in 2002 as a non-League selection.
Therefore, I think these players being in the national Semi-Pro XI might militate against their clubs being seen as "fully professional". What do others think? Clavdia chauchat ( talk) 16:06, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Scottish football to be broadcast live in China for first time. Giant Snowman 13:44, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
TFF First League, TFF Second League and TFF Third League are fully professional league.
How is the Primera División de Republica Dominicana? Is a pro, semi pro or not pro at all? Fifa link. Thanks, Osplace 18:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I think a discussion needs to be started now on the J. League Division 3, the new 3rd tier of Japanese football. According to these sources: [4] and [5] the league will feature teams who pass a certain criteria and who are willing to professionalize their clubs. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 11:39, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Per User:Nfitz's suggestion in discussion above, I intend to remove Football League Two from this list. As Nfitz points out, the provided source contradicts the claim that this league is fully professional. Does anyone really believe that a single appearance for Newport County justifies an automatic WP bio? No, of course not. I've looked in these talk page archives and did not find any previous discussion on this topic, so it is fair to assume that its addition here was a bit a sloppiness that, but for Nfitz's watchfulness, might have persisted indefinitely. Am happy to hear arguments and evidence to the contrary--if there are any. -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 20:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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I was wondering, since it isn't named in either of the lists here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues Azrail Kabir ( talk) 14:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Azrail Kabir ( talk) 22:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm looking at the references currently included and the following are not actually referencing anything other than the leagues main website
Can anyone find any better references? => Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 18:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Based on this, it looks like at the end of this season Italy will be re-organising their league system, at the expense of professional clubs/leagues. Watch this space. Giant Snowman 14:11, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
The supporting reference for the Korean leagues does not say that the second tier K League Challenge is fully professional. Is there a reference that says that Sangju Sangmu FC and Korean Police FC are now fully pro clubs? Hack ( talk) 16:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
This article in the Korea Joongang Daily (in English) says that professional players, including Korea internationals and the 2012 Asian Player of the Year, are doing their compulsory national service as footballers with the military and police teams. Which rather implies that even if the financial structure of those two clubs differs from the others, you can be sure that a) those players aren't living on squaddies' wages; and b) the media coverage of those clubs and their players, which is actually the point of the FPL thing, is going to be no different from that of any of the other clubs. As such, I see no argument against including both divisions in the FPL list. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
This make me wonder: if a player plays in a "semi-pro" league, but played in Europa League or Champions League, then he could be created or not? Cheers -- MYS 77 talk with me ☺ 15:35, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Another question: a manager is only considered "fully-pro" when he manages a fully-pro team or he needs to have played in a fully-pro league in the past? Cheers,
MYS
77
talk with me ☺
16:28, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Another question which confused me for a long time: If a player just played in the domestic cup like FA Cup or League Cup, it's notable or non-notable? Could I creat an artical for him? It does not look to fill the notability criteria, but I notice that similar articles like Héctor Bellerín, Thomas Eisfeld, Isaac Hayden and so on had been created. - Alexchen4836 ( talk) 02:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
I just knew that China League One and China League Two were not counted as "fully professional league" in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. There were few files in English version of China's second and third tier leagues. But according to Regulations of China League One ( The official program of 2013 China League One, Page 8):
And according to China League One official website, "中国足球甲级联赛是由中国足球协会组织的,由国内职业足球俱乐部参加的全国次高水平的足球职业联赛…" (China League One, which organized by Chinese Football Association, is the second highest professional league attended by professional football clubs in the country…) China League One is a football league played by professional football club and administered by professional League Council. All players are fully paid in the China League One.
China League Two is a special league in China. In recent years, there were some arguments in China about the league is professional league or semi-professional league. After 2011, Chinese Football Association announced that not only football clubs, but also football teams under the leadership of local Football Association (which was just appeared in China) could attended in China League Two. Football teams must follow football club's organization and players are fully paid by local public finance expenditure in sports. When these football teams promoted to China League One, they would be reorganized as football clubs. Amateur football teams could not attend in the China League Two unless they reorganized themselves as professional football clubs. Is China League Two counted as "fully pro league"? -- Alexchen4836 ( talk) 02:16, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Inspired by User:Daftcelt's Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Scotland Semi-professional Football Team I researched this team's past results. It seems that in the recent past (late 1980s) it comprised Scottish Football League players who were all part-time and playing for second tier teams like Dunfermline, Clyde, Morton and Kilmarnock. This team apparently lapsed in 1987 and was relaunched in 2002 as a non-League selection.
Therefore, I think these players being in the national Semi-Pro XI might militate against their clubs being seen as "fully professional". What do others think? Clavdia chauchat ( talk) 16:06, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Scottish football to be broadcast live in China for first time. Giant Snowman 13:44, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
TFF First League, TFF Second League and TFF Third League are fully professional league.
How is the Primera División de Republica Dominicana? Is a pro, semi pro or not pro at all? Fifa link. Thanks, Osplace 18:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I think a discussion needs to be started now on the J. League Division 3, the new 3rd tier of Japanese football. According to these sources: [4] and [5] the league will feature teams who pass a certain criteria and who are willing to professionalize their clubs. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 11:39, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Per User:Nfitz's suggestion in discussion above, I intend to remove Football League Two from this list. As Nfitz points out, the provided source contradicts the claim that this league is fully professional. Does anyone really believe that a single appearance for Newport County justifies an automatic WP bio? No, of course not. I've looked in these talk page archives and did not find any previous discussion on this topic, so it is fair to assume that its addition here was a bit a sloppiness that, but for Nfitz's watchfulness, might have persisted indefinitely. Am happy to hear arguments and evidence to the contrary--if there are any. -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 20:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)