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I suggest to write full name of managers in squad templates. For example, in Template:Chelsea F.C. squad must be José Mourinho instead of Mourinho. Managers always had greater authority than players, and their names are pronounced or written fully unlike players. XXN ( talk) 13:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Previously consensus was that fixture lists should not be included in season articles and games only added once the match was concluded. Partially this was because fixture lists were copyrighted and partly because we are not a sports site or fixture list site. Im wondering what peoples current views are on this after the court ruling in 2012 when Football DataCo lost a ruling, meaning they could not copyright fixture lists for English and Scottish football. [1]. Personally i don't think we should include fixture lists but would like to gain opinions on this. Blethering Scot 19:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
I have no knowledge of the current copyright ruling. But even if we can include them, I don't see why we should. Appearance-wise, a long string of empty footballboxes is a mess, and would overwhelm the average season article. And policy-wise, a club's fixture list is indeed widely available, on its own website, which is linked from the season article, and on every football news service on the internet. Wikipedia isn't a news service. WP:NOTDIR says "For example, an article on a radio station should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." I'd say the same applies to a football club's season. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 08:30, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Can someone help me update this template? DZFoot.com has the changed URL format for player profiles from http://www.dzfoot.com/joueur.php?joueur_id=2055&saison_id=18 to http://www.dzfoot.com/fiche-joueur?id=2215. I tried to change the code myself to reflect the change but it didn't work (I'm not good with templates). TonyStarks ( talk) 15:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Prof bed ( talk · contribs) is adding player details to a lot of season articles, e.g. 2014–15 Fleetwood Town_F.C. season and while they might look nice, I'm concerned about how verifiable they are, for example, Fee and Contract End, not every club discloses this info. I would remove all these tables personally as (i) They won't be updated throughout the whole season for every club and will become inaccurate and (ii) saying the source is soccerbase.com is not enough. Your thoughts? JMHamo ( talk) 12:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
What has the World Cup got to do with Chelsea's domestic league season? JMHamo ( talk) 10:47, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Premier League squad Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
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Source: 2013–14 Premier League Squad
UEFA Champions League squad Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
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Source: 2013–14 UEFA Champions League squad
They are both reliably sourced and contain no unneccesary info. The CL squad is notable since players can be cup-tied and so on so it does nt have to be same as PL squad. I see no consensus to remove those. QED237 (talk) 14:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
This article has been virtually empty since it was created and the France task force doesn't seem to have done anything about it. Is someone willing to update it or should it just be deleted? Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 13:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey, should Man of the match "awards" being honoured at the "honours" section at player articles? Just because FIFA lists them at their website, does not mean they are really needed to be added/being "real awards" or we need to add every won MoM "award" from the UEFA CL/Leagues and so on. See James Rodríguez for example (and the history). Any input is welcome. Kante4 ( talk) 20:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
So, we agree(d) to remove them from the articles. Or any more to add from other ediots (but we have only one editor who "wants" to have it...)? Kante4 ( talk) 18:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The two 1995 Intertoto Cup semifinals Tirol Innsbruck-Strasbourg and Karlsruher-Bordeaux, belonged also to the preliminary round of the 1995/96 UEFA Cup. Now they aren't mentioned in the page. The sources I've consulted are the following article of Agence France Presse from 21 August 1995 and the following article of L'Impartial from 23 August 1995, page 9. They are written in French, after translating them, we can understand that the Intertoto semifinals belonged to the UEFA Cup. Also Uefa.com and the book Annuario del Calcio Mondiale 1996-97, page 793, confirm my point. -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 09:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not know the protocol for listing the managerial positions of someone over time. There is a request, posted on the talk page due to a COI, at Talk:Danny_McLennan#requestedit. Would someone be willing to see what could be done?-- S Philbrick (Talk) 12:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Can someone keep an eye on this page? I am pretty close to 3RR and right now I have an IP and some random user who claims that the IP is Papas's brother doing the recent edits on the page. I have reverted these edits on the basis that the information the IP is adding goes against what sources say and also that the formatting in the infobox is atrocious. Some information is flat out wrong as well like the fact that he was offered the India U23 job straight away when really he was offered an Academy contract first before being given the U23 deal after the first choice for the position rejected the offer. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 17:40, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
The group results tables for the 2014 International Champions Cup, have been formatted using Template:Fb cl2 header navbar. The algorithm which produces the points score in this template assumes 3pts for a win after penalty shootouts whereas the quirky competition rules award only 2pts for a win after a shoot out and also 1pt for a loss after penalty shootout. Accordingly the total points displays are incorrect. Can someone kindly point out which of the vast array of templates to use which would produce the correct points scores, thanks. Tmol42 ( talk) 21:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
|wpts=
option to change the number of points for a win.
Frietjes (
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23:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
|bp=
parameter for additional bonus points and there is a |dp=
for removing points, ... so, in response to the original question, yes you can make make the template produce the correct point scores.
Frietjes (
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13:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)Thanks to everyone here for the advice. Excellent as always! Tmol42 ( talk) 19:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, football experts. Is this a notable player, or should this old AfC submission be deleted as a stale draft? — Anne Delong ( talk) 16:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
He was the goalkeeper for Naples Football Club in 1908: do you have something in your books? I know it, I need a miracle... -- 79.22.141.77 ( talk) 14:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
As everyone knows, Manchester United had a horrendous season last year. Now Louis van Gaal has revived them and has shown the good he can do by leading them to both the International Champions Cup, defeating many top flight teams, and the Chevrolet FC Cup. Both of these trophies and awards are not made up, they are legitimate awards and honors to win, yet a user is saying they are not legitimate. Please confirm that these trophies are an honor and most certainly do count towards Louis van Gaal's managerial trophy arsenal. Note them even lifting the international Champions Cup here: [2] Holland9 ( talk) 16:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, can some users rewiew this deletion?
The player has made his fully pro debut with Lega Pro side Paganese. And Lega Pro is fully pro. → http://int.soccerway.com/players/soma-novothny/191950/
I want to create this page but i can not do this, so can a admin rewiew this deletion? -- Lglukgl ( talk) 20:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Anonymous users (presumably Celtic F.C. fans) keep vandalising Bartosz Bereszyński after the decision by UEFA earlier today. I've reverted a few edits, so have others, but perhaps it would be best to lock it for anonymous users now? Cashewnøtt ( talk) 12:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Ymblanter ( talk). It's protected now. Cashewnøtt ( talk) 15:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm curious about the title of this article. It was moved nearly four years ago from 'Dinamo Stadium (Minsk)' to 'Dynama Stadium (Minsk)' with a rationale that simply said "Belarusan" [sic]. I'm not an expert in languages, but I like to think I'm pretty good, and my initial thought was that someone has seen the Belarusian name for the stadium (Стадыён Дынама; Stadion Dinama) and simply plugged it right into the article, when 'Dinama' is actually the genitive form of "Dinamo", i.e. 'Stadion Dinama' would actually mean 'the stadium of Dinamo', which we would simply call 'Dinamo Stadium'. Since UEFA uses the name 'Dinamo Stadium', should I just move it back, or have I got the wrong end of the stick? – Pee Jay 16:58, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, does anyone have access to detailed information from the 1911 UK census? I'm trying to find out some biographical info on Freddy Capper, who played for Manchester United (among others) in 1911-12. My books say he was born in Northwich, Cheshire, either in January or July 1891, but a cursory look at 1911census.co.uk shows the only Alfred Capper born in Northwich around that time was actually born in 1892. If anyone has more detailed info, it would really help if we could at least confirm his birth date to within a three-month span. – Pee Jay 22:40, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
With UK census you can see also if somebody emigrated in Italy or he was born abroad? I'd need informations about some pioneers... -- 79.22.141.77 ( talk) 11:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I want to bring the attention to article Jack Wilshere who has increased more then 12,000 bytes the last few days as someone has expanded the prose a lot. I have not read everything but the part I read described every goal player made and had post-match citations from the player. I bring this here since this editor has done it to several articles and I have previously had some encounters with this user when I have removed (what I feel was not notable) content to last year Arsenal season article and now a lot to this season as well. I would like for someone with godd knowledge take a look at what is notable or not. Dont get me wrong I like prose and a lot of article could your some good writing instead of just facts but I believe some (or many) of the text is not notable. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
The maps are not that old, just some two years. But I checked all men's red-marked African and Asian teams, and did not find any stubs. Some update could be useful. 85.217.44.90 ( talk) 06:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
I've edited this page and some promoted teams don't display their abbreviations in the results table. I'm clueless, how do I add them? Schnapper ( talk) 11:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Is Jamie Sendles-White notable? Says he plays for QPR but has not yet played in WP:FPL as long as I can see. QED237 (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Some of you my have seen the reports today around Blackpool F.C.'s issues of not being able to name 7 substitutes for their match. [ BBC match report]. Two youth team players were added to the squad (31 and 38 in the match report) - one of whom made his first team debut (31 - Telford, in the 88th minute). Despite the fact that they are not officially listed yet on the Blackpool website in the official squad list (given the fact the club failed to register players to be eligible to play - this is perhaps not surprising) - I'd say that the BBC report being cited against the players being added to the squad list as a reference is sufficient as a source. Views, please? Zanoni ( talk) 21:17, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a little enigma to solve: Piccolo played only one season and then he disappeared: there is a chance to see if he came back in USA? -- 95.253.47.136 ( talk) 18:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Two articles that I created have been nominated for deletion:
For me, it seems silly that the similar AFC, CONMEBOL and UEFA competitions have articles yet the CONCACAF (North America's equivalent to UEFA) versions are being nominated for deletion.
Please comment at the 'Discussion' links above. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
I am a University of Toronto student, editing the stub of Luciano Vietto for my assignment. This is the first time I am editing a Wikipedia article so any insights and suggestions I can get will be greatly appreciated.
So, if you see the stub now, it has a small introduction and a brief Career section and obviously the References tab. What I am planning on doing is adding a Youth Career section to talk about his early beginnings, expand each section with more information based off my research, and lastly add Career Statistics section with all his career statistics in a table format just like how most footballer articles have nowadays.
This is all I have up until now so once again any feedbacks or suggestions on making this stub into an amazing article would be greatly appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushalchavan ( talk • contribs) 00:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
In light of the above, I think it's worth setting criteria for what competitions (not leagues) are considered notable enough to have an article. I'd have thought that a competition organised by one of the six confederations would've notable enough for inclusion.
There's nothing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Could someone who knows something about Romanian football have a look at FC Universitatea Craiova and FC Torentul Secui (new article)? Hack ( talk) 10:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Time for me to ask it (as I do each year it seems): does an appearance in the Football League Cup consititute notability sufficient for an article? The Rambling Man ( talk) 12:23, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
There are currently 660 BLP articles marked as being unreferenced at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Unreferenced_BLPs/Full_list. Many are false positives due to poor tagging but most need some attention. Hack ( talk) 03:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Tried this one time before without any success (only one editor replied) so I try again as this needs to be decided after a recent event I spotted.
I saw that someone replaced the entire content of {{ Current Austrian Football Bundesliga table}} with {{ 2014–15 Austrian Football Bundesliga table}} (instead of a redirect). This was done after the later template was created a few days ago with the exact same content as the original current-template.
My response was to restore the current template and CSD (with help from twinkle) the date-template as a copy of an already existing template, but know I remembered the earlier discussion what the names should be.
The major argument is that we should not have a lot of old templates and they have gotten subst and deleted by TfD many times so during those TfD's there was discussions and minor agreement to rename all templates to current table and subst after the seasons and restart the table instead of removing the old one and create a new.
Following "what links here" to the current-template however links to some article from 2013-14 season which means that they have not been substituted and have the current table for this season on them now which is bad. So can we trust they willbe substed or should we use the season-date template instead?
Please comment. QED237 (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Is there really no way to get a bot to do the updating of pages like this one? -- Theurgist ( talk) 09:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I was approached by an other editor regarding regarding the wording in the lead of player articles. He asked me if I could present it here so I will do that.
If we find some sort of consensus it could be good to update the player MOS, Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players.
The first thing is if we mention league or not, which I have read in earlier discussions we should not as teams can be relegated and promoted without it being updated on the player articles. (What I can see there is consensus so it is just to update MOS?)
Secondly (and our main discussion) it is about how we write the nation of the club the player is playing in (if we should mention it at all).
I believe we may have had this discussion before but could not find it.
In my opinion we should use alternative 4 or 5 (some articles dont have player position making 4 and 5 equal), and the editors I talked to seemed to favour 2 or 3 first and then suggested number 1.
My reasoning is that number 1 does not mention nation of club at all, which we should if the player does not play in his home nation. The number 2 and 3 alternatives I dont like because it somehow implies that the team only plays in a certain nation but they can play friendlies, Champions League and more in other countries. For example a match between Roma and Barcelona in Rome, Italy then Messi is not playing for Barcelona in Spain, he is actually playing for Barcelona in Italy. Therefore saying Spanish club Barcelona is better because the club is always Spanish no matter where the match is being played.
Your thoughts? QED237 (talk) 14:38, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I think this page should be protected because there are users adding that he signed with Tottenham and was loaned back to the Seattle Sounders, but the sources are saying he will stay with Seattle for the remainder of 2014 and then join Tottenham. That doesn't mean he was "loaned back". It could mean the transfer won't take effect until 2015. So unless there's a reliable source that indicates that he was loaned back, I think it should be protected. – Michael ( talk) 23:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Just to add to the confusion; the first team profiles page on the official Tottenham site does reflect that Yedlin is now owned by Tottenham and is on loan to Seattle. ( http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/first-team-profiles/) He is listed at the bottom of that page. It is interesting that this was not reflected in either of the club announcements. OR is this just a mistake made by an over-zealous Spurs webmaster who's edited that page without actually having a clue? I'm actually leaning towards the over-zealous webmaster! 60.240.5.113 ( talk) 12:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Judging from this footage (please see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaM840xp6Kc), are there any wikigrounds to replace this reliable reference from UEFA.com ( http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2014/matches/round=2000474/match=2012680/postmatch/report/index.html#spot+sevilla+leave+benfica+dreams+tatters) with this one from a non-reliable source ( http://www.socceramerica.com/article/58069/brazen-goalkeeper-cheating-helps-sevilla-win-europ.html)? Also, per that, are there any grounds to change Beto's name to "Betoteiro" (Portuguese compound word of his sporting name and the Portuguese word for cheater, "batoteiro")?
Tried to address this situation (doing the same on several other Benfica players, where the due reference was removed on the grounds of UEFA/UEFA.com being biased), was accused of being a Benfica hater, an attention-whore and taunted after sporting thoughts of leaving the project after the run-in (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107#Edit_warring_on_multiple_articles). If i was wrong in my approach, it was with the best intentions of improving WP. Also, if possible, i would like to have User:Panhead2014's input here if possible (i am forbidden of addressing him in his page by himself, so i have to oblige), he has to gone to the anon user's page to offer him his support.
Attentively, happy weekend -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this article? Is it notable? And thought we decided above not to list yellow cards. QED237 (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry - I might have been bold with my point above. I just felt that it hadn't really been covered in another page as a whole section. M00036 ( talk) 21:47, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I just wanted to note, that there is such template, essay and warning. -- Edgars2007 ( talk/ contribs) 22:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question about {{ Fb out2 player}} that I came across when looking at 2014–15 FC Barcelona season#Transfers out. I noticed that there were a column "moving to" that looked weird with flags and that a editor was adding flags to that section. Further investigation gave that some flags was automatically genererated and that the template uses fc team templates (which we should phase out I believe?) Could someone please take a look at this template if it needs a remake and perhaps remove use of fb team templates? QED237 (talk) 11:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
There have been a number of discussions recently over what should and what shouldn't be included in the clubs season articles. It's been the opinion of a number of editors that the current MOS ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Club seasons) is in need of an update (It's certainly been mentioned a few times). In response to another discussion I put together a draft based on a GA article ( User:Spudgfsh/sandbox/FootySeasonMOS).
some of the currently ongoing discussions include
does anyone have any suggestions for improving my initial draft. => Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 15:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Less is more. The biggest issue I find with club season articles is the amount of tables; there is no need for one to show top goalscorers and players with the most red and yellow cards – just merge it with the squad statistics table and add text. This is an encyclopedia, not a stat haven. Although the Arsenal ones now have written prose, there are still some things which could be removed like 'Squad information' (pointless), 'Reserve squad' (this is about the first team squad), 'Overall transfer activity' (speculatory). I've had a go cleaning up yesteryear seasons because they are stable and I don't have to get into edit wars ( 11 now GA, jillion to go]), and although the prose isn't pitch-perfect, they are consistent and make better use of the tables. 2003–04 is the most comprehensive of them all and it's the template I now use. I have no problems with collapsible footballboxes; in most cases when I work on a season article, results are presented in that style so I can just get to work with prose. For pre-1992 seasons like 1991–92 I used result tables similar to the Manchester United and Birmingham season articles as I initally couldn't get goal information about the other team. On the subject of MOS, I've started one at User:Lemonade51/Club seasons – feel free to leave comments here or there. It's uncomplete, but hopefully should get the ball rolling. Lemonade51 ( talk) 17:06, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
How is the MoS doing? Are we closing in to some agreement?
I want to discuss one thing. The previous MOS as well as this one has the score "compact" and not unneccesary space like some editors want. What is everyones say on this? In all big tournaments like Champions League, FIFA World Cup and so on we dont have that space so why have it on club season articles? To me it just feels not needed and I have started to remove it for consistency and as per current MOS. QED237 (talk) 15:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion we need answers to two questions before we can close the MOS discussion.
My MOS needs an example CL group table => Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 17:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
The issue is related to our discussion here (3 or 4 sections above) regarding the lede. An IP has been changing the lede from Yugoslav or Kosovar footballer to Albanian footballer with the claim that the family Jusufi is Albanian. I tried to explain in the talk page why I am reverting his change, but he ignored and reverted again. I don´t want to break the 3RR rule and I would also like for some other editor to step in because the IP seems to think that I am reverting him cause I am Serbian editor. The thing is that besides Jusufi being othnically Albanian is disputed (Jusufi family is Gorani) the main issue is that putting in the lede that he is Albanian footballer is totally wrong, as Fahrudin Jusufi played for Yugoslav national team and has no links to the country Albania. If anyone can just see the recent edits on the article and the talk-page and help, I would greatly appreciate. Best regards to all and I hope you´re all having a nice summer. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Is Ashington–West Auckland Derby a notable derby? Del♉sion23 (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
No idea about this example, but are there clear guidelines anywhere on what makes a "derby" notable to Wikipedia? HiLo48 ( talk) 23:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear football experts: Is this a notable football executive? Should the old draft be kept and improved? — Anne Delong ( talk) 06:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I can't think of a description for edits like this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Stefan_Buck&diff=621329498&oldid=615294785) other than vandalism. We had an argument about this a few months ago, which the user (GiantSnowman) lost, he failed to demonstrate why such material is contentious and should be deleted. Clearly a citation needed tag would have been appropriate for uncontroversial material like that. I'm not going to repeat my arguments, because they didn't get through (you can read them here /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_86#Referencing_honours), but what i did say that such an approach would put off potential editors. Well here's the proof - I've contributed a lot to this encyclopedia, and to this project, but I'm not going to anymore. I hate overly dramatic exists like this as much as anyone else, but what's the point in trying to share your knowledge if people are willing to vandalise your work, because all they want is to blindly (and inaccurately) enforce rules? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 10:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Sigh, this has been covered here before and also at WP:BLPN - this information does need sourcing to reliable, third-party sources in line with our policy on living people. It's not vandalism. We've advertised this page before - User:Macosal/BLP - where we add all articles with unreferenced honours. If they are not referenced in a month, they are removed. That is far more leeway than is required under BLP. Giant Snowman 14:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Our sourcing policies do not require an inline citation for any other type of material [i.e. everything except quotes, challenged or contentious material], although it is typical for editors to voluntarily exceed these minimum standards... For all other types of material, the policies require only that it be possible for a motivated, educated person to find published, reliable sources that support the material, e.g., by searching for sources online or at a library.
All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation.
Is tagging the way forward? Ideally I agree that everyone should at least attempt to find sources for unsourced material if it is in question. In practical terms we all know because so much is unreferenced, this might not be realistic. So is it best to tag and leave it or to delete it? Take one of Britain's most high profile footballers and broadcasters, Gary Lineker. Almost all his career in unreferenced. As are his goals, international goals and honours. Tag all that is unreferenced and it just looks like drive by tagging. Delete it and there is precious little left. What is the best way forward?-- Egghead06 ( talk) 15:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear football experts: Six months ago I postponed deletion of this draft because the subject was nearing notability. He appears to have an [ [5]] in the Spanish Wikipedia. Is it time yet for this to be moved to mainspace. — Anne Delong ( talk) 17:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Last season there was consensus to develop new league table templates (earlier the displayed only full tables). The new tables were more complicated with switches and such, but displayed only 5 teams on club season articles since there is no need to display entire table, only the team on article (and closest opponents) are interesting. The result was for example {{ 2013–14 Premier League table}} and helper template {{ 2013–14 Premier League table/p}} (and redirect {{ PL13}}) who both needed updating every time.
This work really well on the articles and was used on entire English leaguesystem and dutch eredivisie. Although working well there are always improvments to be made and this summer @ CRwikiCA: developed a new version (I tried to help with minor things afterwards). This new version was mainly made to avoid the most common mistake when updating the table, which was that the switches got moved around and the wrong rows was displayed on articles. For example there could be positions 8,9,13,14,15 in one club season articles. Also editors did not update the helper template with teams positions which made the same problems with wrong rows showing.
This new solution means one extra template but only one template needs to be updated (no swiches there) and this will most likely make updating much more easier. Now I had to take close watch all the time and felt like only I could update it. The major drawback currently is that the layout template must be edited at end of season when clubs enter Europa League after domestic cup victories, but I think it will work and perhaps we can work on a decent solution until then. Also H2H rows (e.g. LaLiga) are a bit more complicated but I have an idea for that, but it will only show for a full table.
This new version can be seen at main template {{ 2014–15 Eredivisie table}} and helpers {{ 2014–15 Eredivisie table/layout}} {{ 2014–15 Eredivisie table/teams}}, were only main needs updating (until more qualification rows is needed in layout)
What do you think? Should we try this new template-layout? It should be easier to update with only one template without switches and I am hoping the layout is not to hard to understand and should not be to hard to copy to new leagues. QED237 (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
{{2014–15 Football League Two table|team=CLS}}
I'm inclined to remove these templates because of this continual instability....
Brudder Andrusha (
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21:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay since no one really has opposed the new layout other then it is two much work and we should list entire table (not what consensus was before so in such case you may want to open discussion and find new consensus for that) I will go ahead to implement the new setup when I have the time, (If anyone else want to do it feel free to do it). Or does anyone else have something to say? QED237 (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear football experts: I have accepted this article after removing some promotional language. I have previously posted it here and the subject was declared notable. It may need a check to see if the sources are appropriate. — Anne Delong ( talk) 02:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Several players who have played for other nations, such as Ardian Gashi, have now switched to Kosovo. Is it correct to set Kosovo as their nationality for such things as the flagicon template, or should we wait until Kosovo is officially a FIFA member? I noted that an IP user changed his flag from Norway to Kosovo in the Odds BK article. Cashewnøtt ( talk) 07:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
If this comes up in a club season article or any other article requiring a year, I would think you keep it under the old nationality for season prior to the switch and the new flag for after the switch. As for any other article, you would keep the most recent country. Kingjeff ( talk) 07:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Given the allegations published about him and Iain Moody today, please have a look at this article. I reverted one constructive edit on the basis that it was sourced to the Daily Mail, then expanded the section regarding Cardiff City to include reliably sourced info as to how he dropped out of the reckoning to be Crystal Palace manager. I think this is a better way to approach the story, but I would welcome further input. There has since been some vandalism by one IP. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 08:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I am having a minor content dispute with an other editor at 2014–15 Arsenal F.C. season and now the editor reinserted same content again hidden in an other edit. Maybe I am overreacting, prose is good but history on Arsenal articles are that it becomes a wall of text and last season I had to copyedit a lot and remove not notable things.
I dont want to effect you to much but I will give a short explanation for not agreeing with this editor (I can expand if needed). First of all it is WP:POV with wordings like comfortable, clumsy and perfect afternoon. Secondly it is way to detailed and long, we dont need to list names of opponents (it is Arsenal article). Thirdly regarding the wikilinks it is incorrect to say winning FA cup in previous season and link previous season to premier league, they did not win fa cup in previuos PL season they won it in last year Arsenal season (or 2013-14 in English football if that's better, just not PL).
Please voice your opinions. QED237 (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I've trimmed down that section, including removing the Besiktas section entirely. Partly because it is unreferenced, partly because we don't need a blow-by-blow of every match in a potentially 50 game season! On a related note, the squad stats table violates consensus we had here a few days ago where only basic stats should be included, no contract info etc. I don't have the time today to tackle it, does anyone else want to step in? Giant Snowman 15:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
There appears to be some duplication at Premier League Top scorers' list and Premier League Golden Boot. It would make sense to redirect the former to the main article at the latter, considering that the Premier League began from the 1992–93 season too. Cheers. LRD NO ( talk) 13:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Should this be deleted? Cardiff City F.C. personnel, doesn't seem to warrant its own article. Thoughts? Thanks, JMHamo ( talk) 14:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
A query about the the
Template:footballbox and
Template:footballbox collapsible...
Are these templates supposed to behave identically except that collapsible is to collapse the information given by the parameters? There is a difference in the parameter !team1=
and !team2=
in
Template:footballbox |team1=
and |team2=
in
Template:footballbox collapsible. The difference causes the teams to always to be displayed in bold using
Template:footballbox but they can be turned off in
Template:footballbox collapsible. Is this an error? Is there a workaround so that the teams in
Template:footballbox remove the bold demarcation?
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
19:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
!team1=
and !team2=
- which indicates headers.
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
19:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)Wicked Wanderers | 1–2 | FC Tryers |
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Template:footballbox collapsible
Wicked Wanderers | 1–2 | FC Tryers |
A request for a modification to
Template:footballbox has been made and is documented at
Template talk:Football box.
A consensus needs to be reached before such a modification is to be made.
|class=uncollapsed vevent
. From there teams can be unbold or bolded etc. The font size of some of the parameters are not the same as in {{
footballbox}} but at least there seems to be a workaround.
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
15:19, 21 August 2014 (UTC)I noticed this while editing 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup, but instead of asking there, I thought I would ask here in case this is used in other places and I haven't noticed. In the Qualified Teams section there is a column in the table for the order in which the teams qualified for the tournament. My question is: Is this notable or important information? Or, another way to ask, does it matter what order the teams qualified? Equineducklings ( talk) 22:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
If this page is about UEFA competitions, why in the last edition is also included Club World Cup and minor trophies as Fairs Cup and Latin Cup?-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 00:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Not sure what to do with this, CSD under wht criteria?. Seems like a edit used it as talkpage. QED237 (talk) 23:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, need input regarding Damián Martínez. He has always been known as Damian Martinez but this week Arsenal suddenly changed his name to Emiliano Martinez instead on list of first team players on their website. This has led to IP changing his infobox name and name in the lead. Is that what we should do? Or should the article be moved to Emiliano instead? We should use WP:COMMONNAME and he is still known as damian?
To me it seems a bit strange to have article at one name and an other name in infobox and lead.
Lot of guestions so feel free to add your thoughts. QED237 (talk) 10:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
But Arsenal (his employers) list him as Emiliano...-- 143.252.80.100 ( talk) 20:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Arsena's website lists him as Emiliano, the commentator on Arsenal Player called him Emiliano. It's daft to call him Damian on here.-- 143.252.80.100 ( talk) 19:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Will this be a valid article, assuming the draft meets the relevant criteria, or will it be out of scope? Fiddle Faddle 11:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Every time there is a match IP editors and new editors come in and update infobox and career stats section and often make three mistakes,
After creating an editnotice for livescoring (used at world cup and now champions league), I wanted to see if there is any interest for me to make a short but informative editnotice to minimize these three issues. The editnotice is not seen nduring regular reading, only when the edit window is up.
Any interest in such edit notice? QED237 (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I think the last two are the more serious offences with the middle one probably worthy of creating an editnotice. Kingjeff ( talk) 23:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Where should the team of players who are on loan from go in the infobox, on the bottom of the player's current team or next to it? For example Javier Aquino has "(on loan from Villareal)" next to his current team but Nani has "(On loan from Manchester United)" below his current team. Which is the correct way? I tried to put "on loan from Villareal" below Javeir Aquino's current team on his article but a user reverted it and added it back next to his current team but gave no reason why.
Which is correct?
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Is it necessary to have Javier Aquino listed as being on "until June 30, 2015" on the team page? Unless the loan period is more than a year (or season), since loan transfers normally end at season's end. Finally, when did listing players as 3rd captain, 4th captain and even 5th captain became encyclopedic? I have only seen Barcelona use the terms 2nd-, 3rd- or 4th-captain when the team elected replacements in their captaincy. Thank you. Raul17 ( talk) 13:46, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Does the bottom 2/3 of the North Shields F.C. article run contrary to WP:NOTSTATS? Seems to be a tonne of stats. Del♉sion23 (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
This footballer, Albert Ebossé Bodjongo died after being hit by a projectile as he was leaving the pitch. I have added the Category - Association football players who died while playing. This carries a description which includes those who die as a result of something on the pitch. Another editor reverts this as he "died in hospital". Isn't this Category for any footballer who dies shortly after or on the pitch or just on the pitch?-- Egghead06 ( talk) 17:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me that Soccerbase.com is not a credible source, at least for foreign managers/head coaches. Here is an example of a problem. Ottmar Hitzfeld started coaching Bayern Munich in 1998, but Soccerbase.com has him starting in 2001. Manchester United fans would know he was there before 200 since he coached against them in the 1999 Champions League final. Another example is here. Ståle Solbakken coached the whole season up to 12 April 2012, when his was dismissed as head coach, for a total of 32 matches. Soccerbase has only 31 matches. If you look here, 1. FC Köln had indeed played 32 matches (30 league and 2 cup) up until 12 April 2012. Should we really be using this site since we know that there are inaccuracies? Kingjeff ( talk) 07:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
For the Scottish-based careers of footballers, I highy recommend http://www.fitbastats.com/ which covers lineups and player stats for over a dozen Scottish clubs + Scotland international at U21/U23 levels and senior levels. ShugSty ( talk) 11:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
|goals1=
. cheers,
Struway2 (
talk)
06:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
What does "foreign" mean in the first two posts above? HiLo48 ( talk) 07:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Just an FYI, AlanS ( talk · contribs) has just BLP prodded 58 articles (not a criticism - it's perfectly justified), many of which appear to be footballers. It's probably worth having a look through and rescuing them (I've just done Ronny Aloema). Cheers, Number 5 7 12:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Hack: I'll try and run a report tonight if I can... Giant Snowman 14:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Somebody could take a look at the edit request. -- Edgars2007 ( talk/ contribs) 17:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Can someone give me a bit of advice on East Anglian derby#Statistics. I went to look at the accuracy of the head to heads but can't find a source that covers everything that is there.
=> Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 17:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
JS Kabylie is in the news at the moment, and there seems to be just one poor link for such a big article. Could do with some gutting, if anybody has the inclination. Thanks, C 679 20:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Is Football League 2 (Greece) (Greek Third Division) fully professional?
This league is on the fully pro list→ [9]← but in the page this is the intro:
On August 3, 2010, it was announced that the division had been renamed Football League 2.[1] From season 2013-14, the football League 2 is merged by fourth division championship (Delta Ethniki).[2][3] The new third division will be held in six groups, with the clubs divided basis of geographical criteria, while it will return in an amateur form.→ [10]←
So what is the status of this league??-- Lglukgl ( talk) 21:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Professional or semi-pro amatorial?
Well i'm sure about the second division(professional) but about the third division there are something wrong. And also Turkish Second Division is fully pro.-- Lglukgl ( talk) 23:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
User Fenix down ( talk · contribs) on 22 August removed dozens sections of "Manager" from articles about Ukrainian football clubs, saying that "Transfermarkt is not a reliable source". Some links: Olimpik [11], Dnipro [12] (only part of list was removed). Although it was correct information anyway. WP:UNSOURCED say: In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step. Wikipedia:Citation needed: To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, anyone may question an un-cited claim by inserting a {{ Citation needed}} tag. I propose to revert all similar edits from 22 Aug, restoring correct info added by ip-user and insert {{ citation needed}} tag where its need. NickSt ( talk) 14:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
So, the top of his article says he "plays for English club Manchester United", but apparently it's not acceptable to say it's an English transfer record. Thoughts? RealDealBillMcNeal ( talk) 22:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
As I've said, you are within your rights to request a RM on whether it should be upper-case or lower-case 'd'. That in itself, has no relevance to the English/British issue you have raised nor does it in any way discredit the reliable sources regarding the same issue. LRD NO ( talk) 04:35, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Danny Welbeck is a played usually classified predominantly as a striker but who has been quoted as saying he has played a significant part of the last three seasons as a left midfielder for both Manchester United and England. So, by the very definition of the term "utility player" being that of a player who is used in varying roles in the team, I added him to the category [[Category:Association football utility players]]. For some reason, this was opposed but I haven't been given any semblance of a reason. I was advised to bring this here. So... (here are two sources to verify the quotes that I used in the Welbz article - The Guardian and FourFourTwo).
Reading the BBC Sport report on the MK Dons game last night, I was rather annoyed to see MK Dons as having been "founded" 10 years ago. I don't think this perception is helped by the fact that we have two articles for one club.
I know that there was a lot of (perfectly justified) anger at the time, and having two articles was the only way to keep a lid on it. Now it has been ten years since the rename, I think it's time for rationality to override emotion and for us to merge the two articles into one (much of the Wimbledon stuff can go into a separate "History of" article). I dislike the Franchise as much as the next fan, but I'm also keen on us being a factual encyclopedia - we don't have separate articles for Woolwich Arsenal and Arsenal or Meadowbank Thistle and Livingston (and having Wimbledon infobox stating the club was dissolved in 2004 is just wrong)
Obviously this needs to be done via a merge discussion on the two pages, but I thought I would test the water here first. Cheers, Number 5 7 11:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
What really is the point of such broad articles? I maybe understand the men's lists, but for women i think it is nearly useless. Information isn't updated, many clubs are red-linked and it is incompelte. Maybe a redirect to Geography of women's association football would be better. I guess the article exists only anway because it is in this {{ International women's club football}} that copied the men's version. Another example for too broad lists would be List of association football competitions in my view. -14:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
What is the actual purpose of this parameter? Do we have defined limits for what honours should be listed here? I know it's collapsible, but for players like Ryan Giggs who have won upwards of 20 honours in their playing career alone, it seems a bit much. Whose bright idea was it to add such a parameter to the infobox anyway when we have a ton of (predominantly unreferenced) honours sections in players' articles already? – Pee Jay 15:44, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed, especially in qualifying tournaments for women and youth, many if not most player names end up as redlinks. As a result, some editors enter goalscorers as plain text without [[ ]]. Is one way or the other correct? Is there a policy I should be following in these situations? Equineducklings ( talk) 17:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Are the weekly salaries of a player relevant? A user has included them for a lot of Bayern Munich players (e.g. [16] [17] [18]) and I have severe doubts whether such information is relevant and whether the data is reliable - such contract details are supposed to be confidential. -- Jaellee ( talk) 09:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Suggest protecting Benjamin Stambouli. Reports coming through the past 24 hours that a deal has been reached with Tottenham Hotspur. His current club Montipillier, released a statement saying a deal has been reached pending a medical. Of course, fools are taking this to mean he has transferred already and his page is taking a few hits. 60.240.5.113 ( talk) 09:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
AgronTetova ( talk · contribs) has persisted in spamming dozens of player pages with the same uncited details of their football agent, a page he created. I don't see how it helps in improving the pages in any way. Thoughts? LRD NO ( talk) 13:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Just because you do not position yourself in the position to other users or readers? About other you can read what they have for hobbies, with what they've done for things and then should not be there who his the agent? Ok, not every agent, but the most famous and popular for sure. The relevance is high. Ramadani is this.-- AgronTetova ( talk) 13:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
....I add sources now....-- AgronTetova ( talk) 14:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Why is not Transfermakrt a source??? AgronTetova ( talk) 14:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC) Thats your serbo-amrican POV. Transfermarkt is realibel source. AgronTetova ( talk) 14:38, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give everybody a heads up that there's dispute at Talk:Relocation of Wimbledon F.C. to Milton Keynes. A few more opinions might help out as right now we're making little progress. — Cliftonian (talk) 06:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I started a conversion here on this section in the 2014 Indian Super League season article. Participation would be welcomed. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 16:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed people keep adding Zoumana Bakayogo to the first team squad list but the player isn't listed on the clubs own website, can other users please watch out for this as well as getting the article protected as it doesn't look like the user doing so is registered. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 19:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
That was the case but an unregistered user keeps adding hte number so either way I'd be going past the 3 revert rule thing. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 19:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Further help requested here, we have a registered account and an IP (likely the same editor) making near-identical changes, by adding incredibly detailed match reports of every game, full of peacock terms and POV. This was discussed here recently, consensus was to keep it limited to basic facts, as supported by RS, about important games. Giant Snowman 12:24, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
What's the consensus on last name for Spanish people? For David de Paula Gallardo, I only see "David de Paula" as the name in sources. Kingjeff ( talk) 07:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Therefore, I would be right to move it to the shorten name? Kingjeff ( talk) 07:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi, first of all I want to say I have reported Gringoladomenega ( talk · contribs) to WP:ANEW, which you can read about and comment on at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Gringoladomenega reported by User:Qed237 (Result: ). I am not trying to forumshop or anything (if you think I am we can just close this thread) but I want comments on the content in the dispute as I am trying to solve this rather then keep on edit warring. I stopped editing and the editor refuses to discuss (he has his version so I guess he hopes I will forget about it) and has not responded to attempts at discussion so need your help to discuss the content.
The main dispute is about squad list at Athletico Madrid article were the source say Antoine Griezmann is forward but he says source is wrong and puts him as MF. Also the source say the name of an other player is Miranda (our wiki article was also named Miranda (footballer) but the editor insist of adding the first name of player to Joao Miranda, which is not what source say. I said in edit summary that it was not what source said and that our article did not have Joao in it so then have moved the article Miranda (footballer) to João Miranda (footballer) to give him right on the athletico article. Claiming it was controversial page move I moved the page back but immediately he moved the page again both a second and third time.
I have as i said stopped and ask for your opinion. Should page be moved without WP:RM or is he allowed to keep moving it even if I said it was controversial? Under what position are we to list Griezmann? And what name to use for Miranda? QED237 (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Ronaldo is a forward, not a winger. Giant Snowman 19:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Just a query about WP:CommonName - limiting this to English football, for now, why are Wikipedia articles titled with the (A.)F.C. suffix? Here are four examples of how they would/could/should be changed accordingly:
Apart from Owen Coyle, who ever says "Football Club"? A quick Google search shows the shorter names used far more frequently. We remove the suffix in the articles anyway i.e. [[Derby County F.C.|Derby County]] or [[Hull City A.F.C.|Hull City]]. Even the club badges of those clubs don't have the (A.)F.C. suffix. Obviously it's helpful/necessary for Wiki pages for clubs like Chelsea, Reading, Bury, Blackpool, Arsenal and Burnley, but elsewhere it seems totally pointless. RealDealBillMcNeal ( talk) 15:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
WP:NAMINGCRITERIA clearly states that consistency is one of the five components of a good article title (specifically that "the title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles"). The AFC/FC suffix is the only way to achieve consistency rather than the mess that would emerge from scrapping their use. Number 5 7 22:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
GiantSnowman, I think we should still keep Liverpool F.C. as "Liverpool F.C." The discussion should be over articles like Manchester United, Newcastle United, Vancouver Whitecaps, Seattle Sounders, Leeds United, etc. Kingjeff ( talk) 03:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
What do FOOTY editors make of the article and similar 'seasonal' pages? Of concern are:
Could someone have a look so that we could bring the articles more in line with the rest of the project and wikipedia policies/guidelines? Opinions are much appreciated. Thank you. LRD NO ( talk) 06:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
I have been trying to add 'signed in', 'signed from', 'appearances' and 'goals' in the 'first team' section of '2014-15 Liverpool F.C. season'. But I have been told that there has been consensus on not adding these things. If you see the '2014-15 Chelsea F.C season' and some other club season articles, you will find these details. If these details are there on those pages, there is nothing wrong in adding these details on Liverpool page either. Plus, all these details are relevant and pretty much summarize every player in first team. I am trying to develop a consensus that these details should be there on the page. Ahkk88 ( talk) 21:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there a consensus, that someone can point to, on using F.C. or A.F.C. in team names for British teams? I was looking for something to quote for the Leeds United A.F.C. move request that wants to move the article to just Leeds United. Keith D ( talk) 02:11, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Go above to the "WP:CommonName" section. It is being discussed there. Kingjeff ( talk) 02:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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I suggest to write full name of managers in squad templates. For example, in Template:Chelsea F.C. squad must be José Mourinho instead of Mourinho. Managers always had greater authority than players, and their names are pronounced or written fully unlike players. XXN ( talk) 13:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Previously consensus was that fixture lists should not be included in season articles and games only added once the match was concluded. Partially this was because fixture lists were copyrighted and partly because we are not a sports site or fixture list site. Im wondering what peoples current views are on this after the court ruling in 2012 when Football DataCo lost a ruling, meaning they could not copyright fixture lists for English and Scottish football. [1]. Personally i don't think we should include fixture lists but would like to gain opinions on this. Blethering Scot 19:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
I have no knowledge of the current copyright ruling. But even if we can include them, I don't see why we should. Appearance-wise, a long string of empty footballboxes is a mess, and would overwhelm the average season article. And policy-wise, a club's fixture list is indeed widely available, on its own website, which is linked from the season article, and on every football news service on the internet. Wikipedia isn't a news service. WP:NOTDIR says "For example, an article on a radio station should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." I'd say the same applies to a football club's season. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 08:30, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Can someone help me update this template? DZFoot.com has the changed URL format for player profiles from http://www.dzfoot.com/joueur.php?joueur_id=2055&saison_id=18 to http://www.dzfoot.com/fiche-joueur?id=2215. I tried to change the code myself to reflect the change but it didn't work (I'm not good with templates). TonyStarks ( talk) 15:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Prof bed ( talk · contribs) is adding player details to a lot of season articles, e.g. 2014–15 Fleetwood Town_F.C. season and while they might look nice, I'm concerned about how verifiable they are, for example, Fee and Contract End, not every club discloses this info. I would remove all these tables personally as (i) They won't be updated throughout the whole season for every club and will become inaccurate and (ii) saying the source is soccerbase.com is not enough. Your thoughts? JMHamo ( talk) 12:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
What has the World Cup got to do with Chelsea's domestic league season? JMHamo ( talk) 10:47, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Premier League squad Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
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Source: 2013–14 Premier League Squad
UEFA Champions League squad Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.
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Source: 2013–14 UEFA Champions League squad
They are both reliably sourced and contain no unneccesary info. The CL squad is notable since players can be cup-tied and so on so it does nt have to be same as PL squad. I see no consensus to remove those. QED237 (talk) 14:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
This article has been virtually empty since it was created and the France task force doesn't seem to have done anything about it. Is someone willing to update it or should it just be deleted? Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 13:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey, should Man of the match "awards" being honoured at the "honours" section at player articles? Just because FIFA lists them at their website, does not mean they are really needed to be added/being "real awards" or we need to add every won MoM "award" from the UEFA CL/Leagues and so on. See James Rodríguez for example (and the history). Any input is welcome. Kante4 ( talk) 20:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
So, we agree(d) to remove them from the articles. Or any more to add from other ediots (but we have only one editor who "wants" to have it...)? Kante4 ( talk) 18:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The two 1995 Intertoto Cup semifinals Tirol Innsbruck-Strasbourg and Karlsruher-Bordeaux, belonged also to the preliminary round of the 1995/96 UEFA Cup. Now they aren't mentioned in the page. The sources I've consulted are the following article of Agence France Presse from 21 August 1995 and the following article of L'Impartial from 23 August 1995, page 9. They are written in French, after translating them, we can understand that the Intertoto semifinals belonged to the UEFA Cup. Also Uefa.com and the book Annuario del Calcio Mondiale 1996-97, page 793, confirm my point. -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 09:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not know the protocol for listing the managerial positions of someone over time. There is a request, posted on the talk page due to a COI, at Talk:Danny_McLennan#requestedit. Would someone be willing to see what could be done?-- S Philbrick (Talk) 12:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Can someone keep an eye on this page? I am pretty close to 3RR and right now I have an IP and some random user who claims that the IP is Papas's brother doing the recent edits on the page. I have reverted these edits on the basis that the information the IP is adding goes against what sources say and also that the formatting in the infobox is atrocious. Some information is flat out wrong as well like the fact that he was offered the India U23 job straight away when really he was offered an Academy contract first before being given the U23 deal after the first choice for the position rejected the offer. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 17:40, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
The group results tables for the 2014 International Champions Cup, have been formatted using Template:Fb cl2 header navbar. The algorithm which produces the points score in this template assumes 3pts for a win after penalty shootouts whereas the quirky competition rules award only 2pts for a win after a shoot out and also 1pt for a loss after penalty shootout. Accordingly the total points displays are incorrect. Can someone kindly point out which of the vast array of templates to use which would produce the correct points scores, thanks. Tmol42 ( talk) 21:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
|wpts=
option to change the number of points for a win.
Frietjes (
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23:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
|bp=
parameter for additional bonus points and there is a |dp=
for removing points, ... so, in response to the original question, yes you can make make the template produce the correct point scores.
Frietjes (
talk)
13:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)Thanks to everyone here for the advice. Excellent as always! Tmol42 ( talk) 19:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, football experts. Is this a notable player, or should this old AfC submission be deleted as a stale draft? — Anne Delong ( talk) 16:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
He was the goalkeeper for Naples Football Club in 1908: do you have something in your books? I know it, I need a miracle... -- 79.22.141.77 ( talk) 14:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
As everyone knows, Manchester United had a horrendous season last year. Now Louis van Gaal has revived them and has shown the good he can do by leading them to both the International Champions Cup, defeating many top flight teams, and the Chevrolet FC Cup. Both of these trophies and awards are not made up, they are legitimate awards and honors to win, yet a user is saying they are not legitimate. Please confirm that these trophies are an honor and most certainly do count towards Louis van Gaal's managerial trophy arsenal. Note them even lifting the international Champions Cup here: [2] Holland9 ( talk) 16:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, can some users rewiew this deletion?
The player has made his fully pro debut with Lega Pro side Paganese. And Lega Pro is fully pro. → http://int.soccerway.com/players/soma-novothny/191950/
I want to create this page but i can not do this, so can a admin rewiew this deletion? -- Lglukgl ( talk) 20:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Anonymous users (presumably Celtic F.C. fans) keep vandalising Bartosz Bereszyński after the decision by UEFA earlier today. I've reverted a few edits, so have others, but perhaps it would be best to lock it for anonymous users now? Cashewnøtt ( talk) 12:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Ymblanter ( talk). It's protected now. Cashewnøtt ( talk) 15:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm curious about the title of this article. It was moved nearly four years ago from 'Dinamo Stadium (Minsk)' to 'Dynama Stadium (Minsk)' with a rationale that simply said "Belarusan" [sic]. I'm not an expert in languages, but I like to think I'm pretty good, and my initial thought was that someone has seen the Belarusian name for the stadium (Стадыён Дынама; Stadion Dinama) and simply plugged it right into the article, when 'Dinama' is actually the genitive form of "Dinamo", i.e. 'Stadion Dinama' would actually mean 'the stadium of Dinamo', which we would simply call 'Dinamo Stadium'. Since UEFA uses the name 'Dinamo Stadium', should I just move it back, or have I got the wrong end of the stick? – Pee Jay 16:58, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, does anyone have access to detailed information from the 1911 UK census? I'm trying to find out some biographical info on Freddy Capper, who played for Manchester United (among others) in 1911-12. My books say he was born in Northwich, Cheshire, either in January or July 1891, but a cursory look at 1911census.co.uk shows the only Alfred Capper born in Northwich around that time was actually born in 1892. If anyone has more detailed info, it would really help if we could at least confirm his birth date to within a three-month span. – Pee Jay 22:40, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
With UK census you can see also if somebody emigrated in Italy or he was born abroad? I'd need informations about some pioneers... -- 79.22.141.77 ( talk) 11:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I want to bring the attention to article Jack Wilshere who has increased more then 12,000 bytes the last few days as someone has expanded the prose a lot. I have not read everything but the part I read described every goal player made and had post-match citations from the player. I bring this here since this editor has done it to several articles and I have previously had some encounters with this user when I have removed (what I feel was not notable) content to last year Arsenal season article and now a lot to this season as well. I would like for someone with godd knowledge take a look at what is notable or not. Dont get me wrong I like prose and a lot of article could your some good writing instead of just facts but I believe some (or many) of the text is not notable. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
The maps are not that old, just some two years. But I checked all men's red-marked African and Asian teams, and did not find any stubs. Some update could be useful. 85.217.44.90 ( talk) 06:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
I've edited this page and some promoted teams don't display their abbreviations in the results table. I'm clueless, how do I add them? Schnapper ( talk) 11:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Is Jamie Sendles-White notable? Says he plays for QPR but has not yet played in WP:FPL as long as I can see. QED237 (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Some of you my have seen the reports today around Blackpool F.C.'s issues of not being able to name 7 substitutes for their match. [ BBC match report]. Two youth team players were added to the squad (31 and 38 in the match report) - one of whom made his first team debut (31 - Telford, in the 88th minute). Despite the fact that they are not officially listed yet on the Blackpool website in the official squad list (given the fact the club failed to register players to be eligible to play - this is perhaps not surprising) - I'd say that the BBC report being cited against the players being added to the squad list as a reference is sufficient as a source. Views, please? Zanoni ( talk) 21:17, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a little enigma to solve: Piccolo played only one season and then he disappeared: there is a chance to see if he came back in USA? -- 95.253.47.136 ( talk) 18:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Two articles that I created have been nominated for deletion:
For me, it seems silly that the similar AFC, CONMEBOL and UEFA competitions have articles yet the CONCACAF (North America's equivalent to UEFA) versions are being nominated for deletion.
Please comment at the 'Discussion' links above. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
I am a University of Toronto student, editing the stub of Luciano Vietto for my assignment. This is the first time I am editing a Wikipedia article so any insights and suggestions I can get will be greatly appreciated.
So, if you see the stub now, it has a small introduction and a brief Career section and obviously the References tab. What I am planning on doing is adding a Youth Career section to talk about his early beginnings, expand each section with more information based off my research, and lastly add Career Statistics section with all his career statistics in a table format just like how most footballer articles have nowadays.
This is all I have up until now so once again any feedbacks or suggestions on making this stub into an amazing article would be greatly appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushalchavan ( talk • contribs) 00:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
In light of the above, I think it's worth setting criteria for what competitions (not leagues) are considered notable enough to have an article. I'd have thought that a competition organised by one of the six confederations would've notable enough for inclusion.
There's nothing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Could someone who knows something about Romanian football have a look at FC Universitatea Craiova and FC Torentul Secui (new article)? Hack ( talk) 10:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Time for me to ask it (as I do each year it seems): does an appearance in the Football League Cup consititute notability sufficient for an article? The Rambling Man ( talk) 12:23, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
There are currently 660 BLP articles marked as being unreferenced at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Unreferenced_BLPs/Full_list. Many are false positives due to poor tagging but most need some attention. Hack ( talk) 03:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Tried this one time before without any success (only one editor replied) so I try again as this needs to be decided after a recent event I spotted.
I saw that someone replaced the entire content of {{ Current Austrian Football Bundesliga table}} with {{ 2014–15 Austrian Football Bundesliga table}} (instead of a redirect). This was done after the later template was created a few days ago with the exact same content as the original current-template.
My response was to restore the current template and CSD (with help from twinkle) the date-template as a copy of an already existing template, but know I remembered the earlier discussion what the names should be.
The major argument is that we should not have a lot of old templates and they have gotten subst and deleted by TfD many times so during those TfD's there was discussions and minor agreement to rename all templates to current table and subst after the seasons and restart the table instead of removing the old one and create a new.
Following "what links here" to the current-template however links to some article from 2013-14 season which means that they have not been substituted and have the current table for this season on them now which is bad. So can we trust they willbe substed or should we use the season-date template instead?
Please comment. QED237 (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Is there really no way to get a bot to do the updating of pages like this one? -- Theurgist ( talk) 09:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I was approached by an other editor regarding regarding the wording in the lead of player articles. He asked me if I could present it here so I will do that.
If we find some sort of consensus it could be good to update the player MOS, Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players.
The first thing is if we mention league or not, which I have read in earlier discussions we should not as teams can be relegated and promoted without it being updated on the player articles. (What I can see there is consensus so it is just to update MOS?)
Secondly (and our main discussion) it is about how we write the nation of the club the player is playing in (if we should mention it at all).
I believe we may have had this discussion before but could not find it.
In my opinion we should use alternative 4 or 5 (some articles dont have player position making 4 and 5 equal), and the editors I talked to seemed to favour 2 or 3 first and then suggested number 1.
My reasoning is that number 1 does not mention nation of club at all, which we should if the player does not play in his home nation. The number 2 and 3 alternatives I dont like because it somehow implies that the team only plays in a certain nation but they can play friendlies, Champions League and more in other countries. For example a match between Roma and Barcelona in Rome, Italy then Messi is not playing for Barcelona in Spain, he is actually playing for Barcelona in Italy. Therefore saying Spanish club Barcelona is better because the club is always Spanish no matter where the match is being played.
Your thoughts? QED237 (talk) 14:38, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I think this page should be protected because there are users adding that he signed with Tottenham and was loaned back to the Seattle Sounders, but the sources are saying he will stay with Seattle for the remainder of 2014 and then join Tottenham. That doesn't mean he was "loaned back". It could mean the transfer won't take effect until 2015. So unless there's a reliable source that indicates that he was loaned back, I think it should be protected. – Michael ( talk) 23:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Just to add to the confusion; the first team profiles page on the official Tottenham site does reflect that Yedlin is now owned by Tottenham and is on loan to Seattle. ( http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/first-team-profiles/) He is listed at the bottom of that page. It is interesting that this was not reflected in either of the club announcements. OR is this just a mistake made by an over-zealous Spurs webmaster who's edited that page without actually having a clue? I'm actually leaning towards the over-zealous webmaster! 60.240.5.113 ( talk) 12:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Judging from this footage (please see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaM840xp6Kc), are there any wikigrounds to replace this reliable reference from UEFA.com ( http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2014/matches/round=2000474/match=2012680/postmatch/report/index.html#spot+sevilla+leave+benfica+dreams+tatters) with this one from a non-reliable source ( http://www.socceramerica.com/article/58069/brazen-goalkeeper-cheating-helps-sevilla-win-europ.html)? Also, per that, are there any grounds to change Beto's name to "Betoteiro" (Portuguese compound word of his sporting name and the Portuguese word for cheater, "batoteiro")?
Tried to address this situation (doing the same on several other Benfica players, where the due reference was removed on the grounds of UEFA/UEFA.com being biased), was accused of being a Benfica hater, an attention-whore and taunted after sporting thoughts of leaving the project after the run-in (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107#Edit_warring_on_multiple_articles). If i was wrong in my approach, it was with the best intentions of improving WP. Also, if possible, i would like to have User:Panhead2014's input here if possible (i am forbidden of addressing him in his page by himself, so i have to oblige), he has to gone to the anon user's page to offer him his support.
Attentively, happy weekend -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this article? Is it notable? And thought we decided above not to list yellow cards. QED237 (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry - I might have been bold with my point above. I just felt that it hadn't really been covered in another page as a whole section. M00036 ( talk) 21:47, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I just wanted to note, that there is such template, essay and warning. -- Edgars2007 ( talk/ contribs) 22:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question about {{ Fb out2 player}} that I came across when looking at 2014–15 FC Barcelona season#Transfers out. I noticed that there were a column "moving to" that looked weird with flags and that a editor was adding flags to that section. Further investigation gave that some flags was automatically genererated and that the template uses fc team templates (which we should phase out I believe?) Could someone please take a look at this template if it needs a remake and perhaps remove use of fb team templates? QED237 (talk) 11:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
There have been a number of discussions recently over what should and what shouldn't be included in the clubs season articles. It's been the opinion of a number of editors that the current MOS ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Club seasons) is in need of an update (It's certainly been mentioned a few times). In response to another discussion I put together a draft based on a GA article ( User:Spudgfsh/sandbox/FootySeasonMOS).
some of the currently ongoing discussions include
does anyone have any suggestions for improving my initial draft. => Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 15:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Less is more. The biggest issue I find with club season articles is the amount of tables; there is no need for one to show top goalscorers and players with the most red and yellow cards – just merge it with the squad statistics table and add text. This is an encyclopedia, not a stat haven. Although the Arsenal ones now have written prose, there are still some things which could be removed like 'Squad information' (pointless), 'Reserve squad' (this is about the first team squad), 'Overall transfer activity' (speculatory). I've had a go cleaning up yesteryear seasons because they are stable and I don't have to get into edit wars ( 11 now GA, jillion to go]), and although the prose isn't pitch-perfect, they are consistent and make better use of the tables. 2003–04 is the most comprehensive of them all and it's the template I now use. I have no problems with collapsible footballboxes; in most cases when I work on a season article, results are presented in that style so I can just get to work with prose. For pre-1992 seasons like 1991–92 I used result tables similar to the Manchester United and Birmingham season articles as I initally couldn't get goal information about the other team. On the subject of MOS, I've started one at User:Lemonade51/Club seasons – feel free to leave comments here or there. It's uncomplete, but hopefully should get the ball rolling. Lemonade51 ( talk) 17:06, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
How is the MoS doing? Are we closing in to some agreement?
I want to discuss one thing. The previous MOS as well as this one has the score "compact" and not unneccesary space like some editors want. What is everyones say on this? In all big tournaments like Champions League, FIFA World Cup and so on we dont have that space so why have it on club season articles? To me it just feels not needed and I have started to remove it for consistency and as per current MOS. QED237 (talk) 15:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion we need answers to two questions before we can close the MOS discussion.
My MOS needs an example CL group table => Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 17:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
The issue is related to our discussion here (3 or 4 sections above) regarding the lede. An IP has been changing the lede from Yugoslav or Kosovar footballer to Albanian footballer with the claim that the family Jusufi is Albanian. I tried to explain in the talk page why I am reverting his change, but he ignored and reverted again. I don´t want to break the 3RR rule and I would also like for some other editor to step in because the IP seems to think that I am reverting him cause I am Serbian editor. The thing is that besides Jusufi being othnically Albanian is disputed (Jusufi family is Gorani) the main issue is that putting in the lede that he is Albanian footballer is totally wrong, as Fahrudin Jusufi played for Yugoslav national team and has no links to the country Albania. If anyone can just see the recent edits on the article and the talk-page and help, I would greatly appreciate. Best regards to all and I hope you´re all having a nice summer. FkpCascais ( talk) 12:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Is Ashington–West Auckland Derby a notable derby? Del♉sion23 (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
No idea about this example, but are there clear guidelines anywhere on what makes a "derby" notable to Wikipedia? HiLo48 ( talk) 23:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear football experts: Is this a notable football executive? Should the old draft be kept and improved? — Anne Delong ( talk) 06:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I can't think of a description for edits like this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Stefan_Buck&diff=621329498&oldid=615294785) other than vandalism. We had an argument about this a few months ago, which the user (GiantSnowman) lost, he failed to demonstrate why such material is contentious and should be deleted. Clearly a citation needed tag would have been appropriate for uncontroversial material like that. I'm not going to repeat my arguments, because they didn't get through (you can read them here /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_86#Referencing_honours), but what i did say that such an approach would put off potential editors. Well here's the proof - I've contributed a lot to this encyclopedia, and to this project, but I'm not going to anymore. I hate overly dramatic exists like this as much as anyone else, but what's the point in trying to share your knowledge if people are willing to vandalise your work, because all they want is to blindly (and inaccurately) enforce rules? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 10:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Sigh, this has been covered here before and also at WP:BLPN - this information does need sourcing to reliable, third-party sources in line with our policy on living people. It's not vandalism. We've advertised this page before - User:Macosal/BLP - where we add all articles with unreferenced honours. If they are not referenced in a month, they are removed. That is far more leeway than is required under BLP. Giant Snowman 14:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Our sourcing policies do not require an inline citation for any other type of material [i.e. everything except quotes, challenged or contentious material], although it is typical for editors to voluntarily exceed these minimum standards... For all other types of material, the policies require only that it be possible for a motivated, educated person to find published, reliable sources that support the material, e.g., by searching for sources online or at a library.
All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation.
Is tagging the way forward? Ideally I agree that everyone should at least attempt to find sources for unsourced material if it is in question. In practical terms we all know because so much is unreferenced, this might not be realistic. So is it best to tag and leave it or to delete it? Take one of Britain's most high profile footballers and broadcasters, Gary Lineker. Almost all his career in unreferenced. As are his goals, international goals and honours. Tag all that is unreferenced and it just looks like drive by tagging. Delete it and there is precious little left. What is the best way forward?-- Egghead06 ( talk) 15:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear football experts: Six months ago I postponed deletion of this draft because the subject was nearing notability. He appears to have an [ [5]] in the Spanish Wikipedia. Is it time yet for this to be moved to mainspace. — Anne Delong ( talk) 17:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Last season there was consensus to develop new league table templates (earlier the displayed only full tables). The new tables were more complicated with switches and such, but displayed only 5 teams on club season articles since there is no need to display entire table, only the team on article (and closest opponents) are interesting. The result was for example {{ 2013–14 Premier League table}} and helper template {{ 2013–14 Premier League table/p}} (and redirect {{ PL13}}) who both needed updating every time.
This work really well on the articles and was used on entire English leaguesystem and dutch eredivisie. Although working well there are always improvments to be made and this summer @ CRwikiCA: developed a new version (I tried to help with minor things afterwards). This new version was mainly made to avoid the most common mistake when updating the table, which was that the switches got moved around and the wrong rows was displayed on articles. For example there could be positions 8,9,13,14,15 in one club season articles. Also editors did not update the helper template with teams positions which made the same problems with wrong rows showing.
This new solution means one extra template but only one template needs to be updated (no swiches there) and this will most likely make updating much more easier. Now I had to take close watch all the time and felt like only I could update it. The major drawback currently is that the layout template must be edited at end of season when clubs enter Europa League after domestic cup victories, but I think it will work and perhaps we can work on a decent solution until then. Also H2H rows (e.g. LaLiga) are a bit more complicated but I have an idea for that, but it will only show for a full table.
This new version can be seen at main template {{ 2014–15 Eredivisie table}} and helpers {{ 2014–15 Eredivisie table/layout}} {{ 2014–15 Eredivisie table/teams}}, were only main needs updating (until more qualification rows is needed in layout)
What do you think? Should we try this new template-layout? It should be easier to update with only one template without switches and I am hoping the layout is not to hard to understand and should not be to hard to copy to new leagues. QED237 (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
{{2014–15 Football League Two table|team=CLS}}
I'm inclined to remove these templates because of this continual instability....
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
21:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay since no one really has opposed the new layout other then it is two much work and we should list entire table (not what consensus was before so in such case you may want to open discussion and find new consensus for that) I will go ahead to implement the new setup when I have the time, (If anyone else want to do it feel free to do it). Or does anyone else have something to say? QED237 (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear football experts: I have accepted this article after removing some promotional language. I have previously posted it here and the subject was declared notable. It may need a check to see if the sources are appropriate. — Anne Delong ( talk) 02:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Several players who have played for other nations, such as Ardian Gashi, have now switched to Kosovo. Is it correct to set Kosovo as their nationality for such things as the flagicon template, or should we wait until Kosovo is officially a FIFA member? I noted that an IP user changed his flag from Norway to Kosovo in the Odds BK article. Cashewnøtt ( talk) 07:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
If this comes up in a club season article or any other article requiring a year, I would think you keep it under the old nationality for season prior to the switch and the new flag for after the switch. As for any other article, you would keep the most recent country. Kingjeff ( talk) 07:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Given the allegations published about him and Iain Moody today, please have a look at this article. I reverted one constructive edit on the basis that it was sourced to the Daily Mail, then expanded the section regarding Cardiff City to include reliably sourced info as to how he dropped out of the reckoning to be Crystal Palace manager. I think this is a better way to approach the story, but I would welcome further input. There has since been some vandalism by one IP. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 08:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I am having a minor content dispute with an other editor at 2014–15 Arsenal F.C. season and now the editor reinserted same content again hidden in an other edit. Maybe I am overreacting, prose is good but history on Arsenal articles are that it becomes a wall of text and last season I had to copyedit a lot and remove not notable things.
I dont want to effect you to much but I will give a short explanation for not agreeing with this editor (I can expand if needed). First of all it is WP:POV with wordings like comfortable, clumsy and perfect afternoon. Secondly it is way to detailed and long, we dont need to list names of opponents (it is Arsenal article). Thirdly regarding the wikilinks it is incorrect to say winning FA cup in previous season and link previous season to premier league, they did not win fa cup in previuos PL season they won it in last year Arsenal season (or 2013-14 in English football if that's better, just not PL).
Please voice your opinions. QED237 (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I've trimmed down that section, including removing the Besiktas section entirely. Partly because it is unreferenced, partly because we don't need a blow-by-blow of every match in a potentially 50 game season! On a related note, the squad stats table violates consensus we had here a few days ago where only basic stats should be included, no contract info etc. I don't have the time today to tackle it, does anyone else want to step in? Giant Snowman 15:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
There appears to be some duplication at Premier League Top scorers' list and Premier League Golden Boot. It would make sense to redirect the former to the main article at the latter, considering that the Premier League began from the 1992–93 season too. Cheers. LRD NO ( talk) 13:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Should this be deleted? Cardiff City F.C. personnel, doesn't seem to warrant its own article. Thoughts? Thanks, JMHamo ( talk) 14:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
A query about the the
Template:footballbox and
Template:footballbox collapsible...
Are these templates supposed to behave identically except that collapsible is to collapse the information given by the parameters? There is a difference in the parameter !team1=
and !team2=
in
Template:footballbox |team1=
and |team2=
in
Template:footballbox collapsible. The difference causes the teams to always to be displayed in bold using
Template:footballbox but they can be turned off in
Template:footballbox collapsible. Is this an error? Is there a workaround so that the teams in
Template:footballbox remove the bold demarcation?
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
19:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
!team1=
and !team2=
- which indicates headers.
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
19:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)Wicked Wanderers | 1–2 | FC Tryers |
---|---|---|
Template:footballbox collapsible
Wicked Wanderers | 1–2 | FC Tryers |
A request for a modification to
Template:footballbox has been made and is documented at
Template talk:Football box.
A consensus needs to be reached before such a modification is to be made.
|class=uncollapsed vevent
. From there teams can be unbold or bolded etc. The font size of some of the parameters are not the same as in {{
footballbox}} but at least there seems to be a workaround.
Brudder Andrusha (
talk)
15:19, 21 August 2014 (UTC)I noticed this while editing 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup, but instead of asking there, I thought I would ask here in case this is used in other places and I haven't noticed. In the Qualified Teams section there is a column in the table for the order in which the teams qualified for the tournament. My question is: Is this notable or important information? Or, another way to ask, does it matter what order the teams qualified? Equineducklings ( talk) 22:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
If this page is about UEFA competitions, why in the last edition is also included Club World Cup and minor trophies as Fairs Cup and Latin Cup?-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 00:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Not sure what to do with this, CSD under wht criteria?. Seems like a edit used it as talkpage. QED237 (talk) 23:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, need input regarding Damián Martínez. He has always been known as Damian Martinez but this week Arsenal suddenly changed his name to Emiliano Martinez instead on list of first team players on their website. This has led to IP changing his infobox name and name in the lead. Is that what we should do? Or should the article be moved to Emiliano instead? We should use WP:COMMONNAME and he is still known as damian?
To me it seems a bit strange to have article at one name and an other name in infobox and lead.
Lot of guestions so feel free to add your thoughts. QED237 (talk) 10:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
But Arsenal (his employers) list him as Emiliano...-- 143.252.80.100 ( talk) 20:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Arsena's website lists him as Emiliano, the commentator on Arsenal Player called him Emiliano. It's daft to call him Damian on here.-- 143.252.80.100 ( talk) 19:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Will this be a valid article, assuming the draft meets the relevant criteria, or will it be out of scope? Fiddle Faddle 11:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Every time there is a match IP editors and new editors come in and update infobox and career stats section and often make three mistakes,
After creating an editnotice for livescoring (used at world cup and now champions league), I wanted to see if there is any interest for me to make a short but informative editnotice to minimize these three issues. The editnotice is not seen nduring regular reading, only when the edit window is up.
Any interest in such edit notice? QED237 (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I think the last two are the more serious offences with the middle one probably worthy of creating an editnotice. Kingjeff ( talk) 23:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Where should the team of players who are on loan from go in the infobox, on the bottom of the player's current team or next to it? For example Javier Aquino has "(on loan from Villareal)" next to his current team but Nani has "(On loan from Manchester United)" below his current team. Which is the correct way? I tried to put "on loan from Villareal" below Javeir Aquino's current team on his article but a user reverted it and added it back next to his current team but gave no reason why.
Which is correct?
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GoPurple 'n Gold24 05:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Is it necessary to have Javier Aquino listed as being on "until June 30, 2015" on the team page? Unless the loan period is more than a year (or season), since loan transfers normally end at season's end. Finally, when did listing players as 3rd captain, 4th captain and even 5th captain became encyclopedic? I have only seen Barcelona use the terms 2nd-, 3rd- or 4th-captain when the team elected replacements in their captaincy. Thank you. Raul17 ( talk) 13:46, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Does the bottom 2/3 of the North Shields F.C. article run contrary to WP:NOTSTATS? Seems to be a tonne of stats. Del♉sion23 (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
This footballer, Albert Ebossé Bodjongo died after being hit by a projectile as he was leaving the pitch. I have added the Category - Association football players who died while playing. This carries a description which includes those who die as a result of something on the pitch. Another editor reverts this as he "died in hospital". Isn't this Category for any footballer who dies shortly after or on the pitch or just on the pitch?-- Egghead06 ( talk) 17:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me that Soccerbase.com is not a credible source, at least for foreign managers/head coaches. Here is an example of a problem. Ottmar Hitzfeld started coaching Bayern Munich in 1998, but Soccerbase.com has him starting in 2001. Manchester United fans would know he was there before 200 since he coached against them in the 1999 Champions League final. Another example is here. Ståle Solbakken coached the whole season up to 12 April 2012, when his was dismissed as head coach, for a total of 32 matches. Soccerbase has only 31 matches. If you look here, 1. FC Köln had indeed played 32 matches (30 league and 2 cup) up until 12 April 2012. Should we really be using this site since we know that there are inaccuracies? Kingjeff ( talk) 07:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
For the Scottish-based careers of footballers, I highy recommend http://www.fitbastats.com/ which covers lineups and player stats for over a dozen Scottish clubs + Scotland international at U21/U23 levels and senior levels. ShugSty ( talk) 11:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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What does "foreign" mean in the first two posts above? HiLo48 ( talk) 07:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Just an FYI, AlanS ( talk · contribs) has just BLP prodded 58 articles (not a criticism - it's perfectly justified), many of which appear to be footballers. It's probably worth having a look through and rescuing them (I've just done Ronny Aloema). Cheers, Number 5 7 12:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Hack: I'll try and run a report tonight if I can... Giant Snowman 14:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Somebody could take a look at the edit request. -- Edgars2007 ( talk/ contribs) 17:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Can someone give me a bit of advice on East Anglian derby#Statistics. I went to look at the accuracy of the head to heads but can't find a source that covers everything that is there.
=> Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 17:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
JS Kabylie is in the news at the moment, and there seems to be just one poor link for such a big article. Could do with some gutting, if anybody has the inclination. Thanks, C 679 20:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Is Football League 2 (Greece) (Greek Third Division) fully professional?
This league is on the fully pro list→ [9]← but in the page this is the intro:
On August 3, 2010, it was announced that the division had been renamed Football League 2.[1] From season 2013-14, the football League 2 is merged by fourth division championship (Delta Ethniki).[2][3] The new third division will be held in six groups, with the clubs divided basis of geographical criteria, while it will return in an amateur form.→ [10]←
So what is the status of this league??-- Lglukgl ( talk) 21:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Professional or semi-pro amatorial?
Well i'm sure about the second division(professional) but about the third division there are something wrong. And also Turkish Second Division is fully pro.-- Lglukgl ( talk) 23:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
User Fenix down ( talk · contribs) on 22 August removed dozens sections of "Manager" from articles about Ukrainian football clubs, saying that "Transfermarkt is not a reliable source". Some links: Olimpik [11], Dnipro [12] (only part of list was removed). Although it was correct information anyway. WP:UNSOURCED say: In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step. Wikipedia:Citation needed: To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, anyone may question an un-cited claim by inserting a {{ Citation needed}} tag. I propose to revert all similar edits from 22 Aug, restoring correct info added by ip-user and insert {{ citation needed}} tag where its need. NickSt ( talk) 14:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
So, the top of his article says he "plays for English club Manchester United", but apparently it's not acceptable to say it's an English transfer record. Thoughts? RealDealBillMcNeal ( talk) 22:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
As I've said, you are within your rights to request a RM on whether it should be upper-case or lower-case 'd'. That in itself, has no relevance to the English/British issue you have raised nor does it in any way discredit the reliable sources regarding the same issue. LRD NO ( talk) 04:35, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Danny Welbeck is a played usually classified predominantly as a striker but who has been quoted as saying he has played a significant part of the last three seasons as a left midfielder for both Manchester United and England. So, by the very definition of the term "utility player" being that of a player who is used in varying roles in the team, I added him to the category [[Category:Association football utility players]]. For some reason, this was opposed but I haven't been given any semblance of a reason. I was advised to bring this here. So... (here are two sources to verify the quotes that I used in the Welbz article - The Guardian and FourFourTwo).
Reading the BBC Sport report on the MK Dons game last night, I was rather annoyed to see MK Dons as having been "founded" 10 years ago. I don't think this perception is helped by the fact that we have two articles for one club.
I know that there was a lot of (perfectly justified) anger at the time, and having two articles was the only way to keep a lid on it. Now it has been ten years since the rename, I think it's time for rationality to override emotion and for us to merge the two articles into one (much of the Wimbledon stuff can go into a separate "History of" article). I dislike the Franchise as much as the next fan, but I'm also keen on us being a factual encyclopedia - we don't have separate articles for Woolwich Arsenal and Arsenal or Meadowbank Thistle and Livingston (and having Wimbledon infobox stating the club was dissolved in 2004 is just wrong)
Obviously this needs to be done via a merge discussion on the two pages, but I thought I would test the water here first. Cheers, Number 5 7 11:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
What really is the point of such broad articles? I maybe understand the men's lists, but for women i think it is nearly useless. Information isn't updated, many clubs are red-linked and it is incompelte. Maybe a redirect to Geography of women's association football would be better. I guess the article exists only anway because it is in this {{ International women's club football}} that copied the men's version. Another example for too broad lists would be List of association football competitions in my view. -14:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
What is the actual purpose of this parameter? Do we have defined limits for what honours should be listed here? I know it's collapsible, but for players like Ryan Giggs who have won upwards of 20 honours in their playing career alone, it seems a bit much. Whose bright idea was it to add such a parameter to the infobox anyway when we have a ton of (predominantly unreferenced) honours sections in players' articles already? – Pee Jay 15:44, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed, especially in qualifying tournaments for women and youth, many if not most player names end up as redlinks. As a result, some editors enter goalscorers as plain text without [[ ]]. Is one way or the other correct? Is there a policy I should be following in these situations? Equineducklings ( talk) 17:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Are the weekly salaries of a player relevant? A user has included them for a lot of Bayern Munich players (e.g. [16] [17] [18]) and I have severe doubts whether such information is relevant and whether the data is reliable - such contract details are supposed to be confidential. -- Jaellee ( talk) 09:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Suggest protecting Benjamin Stambouli. Reports coming through the past 24 hours that a deal has been reached with Tottenham Hotspur. His current club Montipillier, released a statement saying a deal has been reached pending a medical. Of course, fools are taking this to mean he has transferred already and his page is taking a few hits. 60.240.5.113 ( talk) 09:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
AgronTetova ( talk · contribs) has persisted in spamming dozens of player pages with the same uncited details of their football agent, a page he created. I don't see how it helps in improving the pages in any way. Thoughts? LRD NO ( talk) 13:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Just because you do not position yourself in the position to other users or readers? About other you can read what they have for hobbies, with what they've done for things and then should not be there who his the agent? Ok, not every agent, but the most famous and popular for sure. The relevance is high. Ramadani is this.-- AgronTetova ( talk) 13:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
....I add sources now....-- AgronTetova ( talk) 14:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Why is not Transfermakrt a source??? AgronTetova ( talk) 14:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC) Thats your serbo-amrican POV. Transfermarkt is realibel source. AgronTetova ( talk) 14:38, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Just thought I'd give everybody a heads up that there's dispute at Talk:Relocation of Wimbledon F.C. to Milton Keynes. A few more opinions might help out as right now we're making little progress. — Cliftonian (talk) 06:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I started a conversion here on this section in the 2014 Indian Super League season article. Participation would be welcomed. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 16:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed people keep adding Zoumana Bakayogo to the first team squad list but the player isn't listed on the clubs own website, can other users please watch out for this as well as getting the article protected as it doesn't look like the user doing so is registered. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 19:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
That was the case but an unregistered user keeps adding hte number so either way I'd be going past the 3 revert rule thing. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 19:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Further help requested here, we have a registered account and an IP (likely the same editor) making near-identical changes, by adding incredibly detailed match reports of every game, full of peacock terms and POV. This was discussed here recently, consensus was to keep it limited to basic facts, as supported by RS, about important games. Giant Snowman 12:24, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
What's the consensus on last name for Spanish people? For David de Paula Gallardo, I only see "David de Paula" as the name in sources. Kingjeff ( talk) 07:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Therefore, I would be right to move it to the shorten name? Kingjeff ( talk) 07:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi, first of all I want to say I have reported Gringoladomenega ( talk · contribs) to WP:ANEW, which you can read about and comment on at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Gringoladomenega reported by User:Qed237 (Result: ). I am not trying to forumshop or anything (if you think I am we can just close this thread) but I want comments on the content in the dispute as I am trying to solve this rather then keep on edit warring. I stopped editing and the editor refuses to discuss (he has his version so I guess he hopes I will forget about it) and has not responded to attempts at discussion so need your help to discuss the content.
The main dispute is about squad list at Athletico Madrid article were the source say Antoine Griezmann is forward but he says source is wrong and puts him as MF. Also the source say the name of an other player is Miranda (our wiki article was also named Miranda (footballer) but the editor insist of adding the first name of player to Joao Miranda, which is not what source say. I said in edit summary that it was not what source said and that our article did not have Joao in it so then have moved the article Miranda (footballer) to João Miranda (footballer) to give him right on the athletico article. Claiming it was controversial page move I moved the page back but immediately he moved the page again both a second and third time.
I have as i said stopped and ask for your opinion. Should page be moved without WP:RM or is he allowed to keep moving it even if I said it was controversial? Under what position are we to list Griezmann? And what name to use for Miranda? QED237 (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Ronaldo is a forward, not a winger. Giant Snowman 19:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Just a query about WP:CommonName - limiting this to English football, for now, why are Wikipedia articles titled with the (A.)F.C. suffix? Here are four examples of how they would/could/should be changed accordingly:
Apart from Owen Coyle, who ever says "Football Club"? A quick Google search shows the shorter names used far more frequently. We remove the suffix in the articles anyway i.e. [[Derby County F.C.|Derby County]] or [[Hull City A.F.C.|Hull City]]. Even the club badges of those clubs don't have the (A.)F.C. suffix. Obviously it's helpful/necessary for Wiki pages for clubs like Chelsea, Reading, Bury, Blackpool, Arsenal and Burnley, but elsewhere it seems totally pointless. RealDealBillMcNeal ( talk) 15:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
WP:NAMINGCRITERIA clearly states that consistency is one of the five components of a good article title (specifically that "the title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles"). The AFC/FC suffix is the only way to achieve consistency rather than the mess that would emerge from scrapping their use. Number 5 7 22:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
GiantSnowman, I think we should still keep Liverpool F.C. as "Liverpool F.C." The discussion should be over articles like Manchester United, Newcastle United, Vancouver Whitecaps, Seattle Sounders, Leeds United, etc. Kingjeff ( talk) 03:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
What do FOOTY editors make of the article and similar 'seasonal' pages? Of concern are:
Could someone have a look so that we could bring the articles more in line with the rest of the project and wikipedia policies/guidelines? Opinions are much appreciated. Thank you. LRD NO ( talk) 06:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
I have been trying to add 'signed in', 'signed from', 'appearances' and 'goals' in the 'first team' section of '2014-15 Liverpool F.C. season'. But I have been told that there has been consensus on not adding these things. If you see the '2014-15 Chelsea F.C season' and some other club season articles, you will find these details. If these details are there on those pages, there is nothing wrong in adding these details on Liverpool page either. Plus, all these details are relevant and pretty much summarize every player in first team. I am trying to develop a consensus that these details should be there on the page. Ahkk88 ( talk) 21:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there a consensus, that someone can point to, on using F.C. or A.F.C. in team names for British teams? I was looking for something to quote for the Leeds United A.F.C. move request that wants to move the article to just Leeds United. Keith D ( talk) 02:11, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Go above to the "WP:CommonName" section. It is being discussed there. Kingjeff ( talk) 02:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)