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It's tough to tell as neither article is of a particularly good standard, but I think the articles for Northamptonshire Senior Cup and Hillier Cup are actually describing the same competition. The list of winners/runner-up are very similar (although not completely identical!), and Kettering Town have won both trophies 31 times :P
Therefore I think these articles need combining/merging (or maybe just the Hillier article deleting?), but this is all a bit beyond my skillset if anyone can be of assistance? Thanks for your help Nonleagueapps ( talk) 09:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Rcclh: is edit warring at this article to change the Leeds stats from 31 to 30 games. Sources say both, but the STABLE version is 31 and that is supported by (in my view) a better calibre of source, being Hugman, Neil Brown, and (based on the career stats table) ENFA - as opposed to the Leeds fan sites and WorldFootball Rcclh suggests. Can anybody shed any light please? Giant Snowman 19:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
1 John Lukic 2 Brian Greenhoff 3 Eddie Gray 4 Kevin Hird 5 Kenny Burns 6 Trevor Cherry 7 Carl Harris 8 Gwyn Thomas 9 Frank Worthington 10 Terry Connor 11 Peter Barnes
according to ENFA. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:I know Pete Barnes is the brother of John Barnes. I create the
1980-81 Nottingham Forest season masterpice article and I'm gonna delete it because the Nomenklature censored my CONMEBOL Qualification stages Position by round tables.
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An RfC is pending at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#RfC: Change to Sports Personalities section. Cbl62 ( talk) 03:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that a lot of club and club-season articles have sub-sections titled "other players under contract" (see here), listing fringe players who have just come back from loan spells but are not included in the first-team squad by the club itself. Most of those players are bound to depart again soon, but it's not uncommon to see one or two guys remain there for an entire season, either because they're injured or the club is unable to sell them. Needless to say, those section are usually unreferenced (but most likely relying on information found on Transfermarkt).
So the question is: what's the consensus here? Personally, I would get rid of those sub-sections since they're unsourced and OR. Besides, if such players are not considered first-team players by the club, I see no reason for us to include list them at all (just like we don't list every single academy player, or every single kitman for that matter). Luxic ( talk) 21:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Looks like "Tottenham Hotspur" is common name than "Tottenham Hotspur F.C.". "Tottenham Hotspur F.C." is probably fake (such abbreviation is rather not used expect Wikipedia). Eurohunter ( talk) 23:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
It would appear that a random 29-year-old Premier League footballer has been arrested per this news report. Keep your eyes on any potential vandalism on the random article in case people who know the identity of that footballer starts editing that page. He can't be named for legal reasons - the same case with Gylfi Sigurðsson almost a year ago where people probably vandalised that article of the former Everton player. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 20:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Could I get some input at Raphinha for the RM? Thanks. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 14:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
When a deal is officialised, can there be a reliable source different from the club's website? Dr Salvus 21:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I can check on this when I have time, if nobody else has been able to, but I put the pertinent info on Middlemass's talk page. Either the Lancashire Evening Post has lifted from his Wikipedia article almost verbatim, or a Wikipedia editor has been deft with some copying and pasting skills.
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Do we really need the recently added 'team location maps', in all the CFL season pages? I'm asking here, as WP:CFL is semi-active. GoodDay ( talk) 21:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@ GoodDay: Just so you know, this is the WikiProject for soccer. I think you wanted Wikipedia:WikiProject American football since you were asking about the CFL and North American Football instead of European football, which is what this one is. RedPatch ( talk) 21:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Can Raheem Sterling be protected please? JMHamo ( talk) 17:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Is the Newport player in this image John Aldridge? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that some editors are (in my opinion) incorrectly changing club information players in national team articles, specifically Argentina, Brazil ( [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]) and England ( [9] [10] [11] [12]). I've reverted a few of these edits but realized I was getting into an edit war but I've stopped.
Anyway, in each case, there's a note saying the information is correct as of the June FIFA window, and updating them to reflect the July transfers introduces inaccuracies. The player information should reflect their club status at the time of the June international matches, right? Adeletron 3030 ( talk • edits) 12:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
As mentioned, this discussion took place at the same time last year and is referenced on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams. It was mentioned that the latest age and cap/goal number is currently used therefore using their current club is in line with that - I don't think there's any need for a change to the status quo. Felixsv7 ( talk) 12:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Can we recreate a list of players who won European Cup and UEFA Champions League? NextEditor123 ( talk) 21:34, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I did not create the article and did not started the DVR. I just asked the question. NextEditor123 ( talk) 22:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Sunderland A.F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 04:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
I stumbled upon several categories created by one user in March this year. Namely:
In edit summaries, this user claims he created those categories following Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 188#RfC: Categorise male footballers in the same way that we categorise female footballers. There seems to be a consensus found in that Village pump proposal, however the categories above is all we have now - five months after said proposal.
What do you think should be the next course of action? Should the consensus be enacted totally throughout the whole footballers categorization trees, or should the abovementioned categories be put to discussion at WP:CFD?
Thanks. Darwinek ( talk) 23:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Is coming second in a two team competition an “honour”? Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 19:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I’ve received a host of “medals” for finishing runs, bike rides etc. but I wouldn’t treat them as “honours”, so I’m not sure the medal argument is helpful. Likewise, the only qualification required is to win the Premier League or FA Cup (generally), for which medals are already given. -- Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 20:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Strange situation as to think that should be an honour for runners-up yet I see someone returning the honour and ref to the Liverpool players in 2019 ( example). At this moment it is unstable as to see if that content should be included or not re the runners-up Community Shield honour since that has been removed/re-inserted many times among a handful of articles including Joe Gomez (footballer). But there are Community Shield honours for the winners. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes, in my opinion - although at the beginning of the season, it's an actual competitive competition, recognised by UEFA as a 'super cup', that has been running for over a century, as opposed to the unofficial, unrecognised, here-today-gone-tomorrow pre-season tournaments like the Audi Cup, Asia Trophy, Emirates Cup etc. You receive a medal for finishing as runner-up, rather than just coming second and that being that (such as league tournaments) and as with other trophies it therefore should justifiably be included in the Honours section. I'm not sure the number of teams in the tournament should make a difference, particularly as it's a super cup. It's an official trophy according to all the official bodies, you receive a runners-up medal, so I can't see any reason at all why it shouldn't be included, unless we commit to removing ALL runners-up medals, which would be a separate conversation (but which I'd also disagree with. -- OGBC1992 ( talk) 19:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
I’d argue, as we’re discussing the ‘Honours’ section, the fact you receive a medal is far more relevant than the number of teams in the competition (which as far as I know has never been a factor in a tournament’s legitimacy) OGBC1992 ( talk) 21:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes per above. Dr Salvus 21:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Furthermore, a runners-up medal for the Community Shield isn't a 'participation medal', like a fun run, or a 'well done for turning up' medal, by the same token that any runners-up medal isn't, despite losing any final being the equivalent of coming second out of two. The Shield is a super cup, not an invitational tournament, that you need to properly qualify for. OGBC1992 ( talk) 16:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I'm new here on this platform. Here on a particular page related to Indian football, Mohammedan SC (Kolkata), Mr. User:Debankan Mullick made a ton of edits, removing important data, records, file–images, citations and others, without mentioning edit summaries. According to me (who, within a year or more than that, contributed neutral data, references, and things related to the club seriously), those edits (few of those, are really acceptable; others are synonymous of vandalism) predominantly made the article poor, inappropriate, and "damaged".
Examples of vandalism:
1. The club doesn't have its separate statistics article ; but the user removed the club's all data about RUNNERS-UP finishes in honours section. Also, the current honours section format is wrong.
2. The user also removed reliable references, notes, and other items singlehandedly.
3. Also removed club RECORDS, which were important, and added by me with proper citations. Its horrible that, Now they all are vanished.
4. Also removed data in History section and the user too removed clubs matches against notable opponents. Simply, all citations related to those, gone forever.
5. The User removed OTHER DEPARTMENTS section (beside men's football section; women's football, hockey, cricket, futsal), and all the data and citations gone.
& MANY MORE
That's why — I'm requesting all of you, if possible, PLEASE take a look on those happenings, and fix/restore all necessary data and references, to make the article "healthy". Thanking all of you a lot at the end & keep smiling :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billjones94 ( talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 05:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 19:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
A.C. Monza has been a FA candidate for three weeks, with almost no comments or reviews. I would appreciate it if someone took the time to give a review :) Nehme 1499 21:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Has been on a hefty vandalism spree, if any admins are about. Seasider53 ( talk) 15:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
We had two relatively recent discussions ( here and here) about the addition of positions per round tables to league-format articles. The general consensus was that there should not be position per round tables in these articles. However, I think that it would be a lot easier if all league season articles (or at least the ones in the big 5) had the same format. If so, do we get rid of the tables on 2021-22 La Liga, 2021-22 Serie A, 2021-22 Ligue 1 and other leagues that have them, or add them to the leagues that don't? https://www.bdfutbol.com is a source where you can view all of the league tables by matchday, and also has 4 leagues that do not have position per round tables (Premier league, bundesliga, Primera División RFEF and segunda division RFEF), which saves it from the WP:OR discussion. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 08:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
That seems to be the overall consensus. These tables may look pretty (or they may not, taste is subjective), but matches being postponed or otherwise played out of order on a fairly regular basis leads straight to a WP:OR argument. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Jkudlick: If you're going to remove the positions per round section (which is fine per this consensus), you should do it systematically, not just go to the three seasons I brought as an example in this discussion ;) -- SuperJew ( talk) 06:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Well, I've removed in the meantime from the Big 5 European men's leagues. (And also cleaned-up assists while I was at it). This might lead to more feedback. -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jay_Spearing&oldid=prev&diff=1098431847 pretty sure liverpool should be listed in his list, thats what we do for every other player who sign for a team with the intention of playing for their reserve team as a player/coach not doing it for sparing would be the odd one out so unless we decide that eliminate it for every player who signed for a team as an u23 player despite being in their 30s... its been happening a lot recently. the editer just seem to be strubborn, plenty of young players sign for a team, play in their reservers, and then never actually end up playing for the first team this is no different. Muur ( talk) 21:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
looks like hes 6 years older than he claimed he is [14] Muur ( talk) 01:58, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
When the article was being reviewed, the reviewer put Template:Lang-it in the name of the leagues he's played. Is it actually needed? If not, please removed them, I don't have my PC now. Dr Salvus 10:06, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
What's the etiquette regarding squad articles - e.g. UEFA Women's Euro 2022 squads - when a player has changed club over the course of the tournament in question, as (e.g.) Emma Koivisto has? Thanks. OGBC1992 ( talk) 17:37, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
The club listed is the club for which the player last played a competitive match prior to the tournament.. -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
I found a interesting claim on KF Vushtrria's article. It says that a club "legend" by the name of Agon Begu broke FIFA records while at the club. However, I can't find any sources that mention him or any record-breaking at the club at all. Is there anyone familiar with Kosovar football who can shed some light on weather or not the claim is true, or if this person even existed? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 13:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone fancy drawing this for the club/season articles? See: https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2022-07-04/away-kit-announcement-southampton-football-club-4-july-2022. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 14:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Am I right in remembering there was some policy about not having flag icons next to clubs in season articles? example. They weren't in last season's articles but they're being included in every club's season articles this time. I don't see why an English player moving from an English club to another English club needs two flags to assist the reader. It makes sense if it's a foreign club but why is it needed for a club in the same league? It's just the lack of consistency that annoys me, these season articles seem to change every year based on pretty much nothing. Echetus Xe 13:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Is this article necessary? Nehme 1499 15:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Where to put a player that has been demoted to a B team, i.e. he's training with them, during pre-season: move him to the B team article, or put him under "Other players under contract" in the first-team article? SLBedit ( talk) 15:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone please create a squad template for VfB Oldenburg? They've been promoted to the fully professional 3. Liga for this season. Kind regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 10:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
See 2022–23_Manchester_United_F.C._season: I'm sure I've read somewhere on our project talk page relatively recently that the full fixture list should not be visible at the start of the season unless something has changed regarding that content. Related articles also have their fixture list in full as well yet I don't see the full list of fixtures for this article at present. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 20:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
a schedule of future events may be appropriate if it can be verified(which is our case). Nehme 1499 09:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Well I only like to see a few games at a time, with fixtures subject to change it's easy to mess things up and have incorrect information on the page. Govvy ( talk) 13:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Cambodia women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.
Madagascar women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.
Mauritius women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 17:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
For your information I have created the Category above, Thanks GrahamHardy ( talk) 18:21, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I know there's info at the top of the WikiProject, to help readers avoid the confusion. But honestly, an RM should be considered to re-name it Wikipedia:WikiProject Association Football. Make Wikipedia:WikiProject Football, an umbrella for both the 'association' & 'gridiron' versions of the name. GoodDay ( talk) 14:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
This AfD has just been closed as "keep" after being open for 13 years...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I want to ask. Is it necessary to put season progress and positions by round in 2022–23 Liga 1 (Indonesia) like this and this edit? I'm asking about this because I previously put this in 2017 Liga 1 (Indonesia) and it was deleted because there was no source. But Fau Tzy insist to put it since he was editing without an user. Please enlighten me. I don't want to engage in edit war. Pinging Mattythewhite, GiantSnowman. Thanks. Wira rhea ( talk) 20:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
they have bolton vs sporting listed wrong, they put a 1-0 win for bolton instead of a 1-0 win for sporting. it was 1-1 at bolton and 1-0 for sporting in portugal. Muur ( talk) 21:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Some additional input may be required at the Barassi Line page. More association football knowledgeable editors, could really be of some help. GoodDay ( talk) 15:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Trying to get more eyes on Didier Lamkel Zé – it's getting a high volume of unsourced IP edits. I've requested page protection as well. Perfect4th ( talk) 15:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why players either who have been booked or sent off should not be included into football match infobox? This is common practice used until previous season. During League matches cards are reported as well as, including Cup matches and European competition, especially for a club season. This is what I've always noticed for years. Barcelona v Juventus report do include cards. Why user @ Dr Salvus: is preventing me from diplaying this information? Since the beginning user @ Mediocre Legacy: added them, as we are used to it. Now seems to be impossible. Island92 ( talk) 11:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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or similar, there is only one value which it may hold - anything else is overloading. If it is desirable to indicate misses, cards and anything else, fresh dedicated parameters must be added. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
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20:31, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Could an admin please take a look at an apparent edit war on Charlton Athletic F.C. - 3RR being repeatedly broken, it seems. Paul W ( talk) 18:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
@Rusty1111 is adding fan blogs and links to photos of the games to the Report sections. I'm removing them as they are unreliable and unnecessary only for @Rusty1111 to revert my edits. Can someone warn him that his edits are against consensus before it's 3RR time? Dougal18 ( talk) 12:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Have honestly no idea where the Turkish media got that full name from, but the correct version is the one that now stands. Here, have this google search with tons of results yielding "Sérgio Miguel Relvas de Oliveira", only the Turkish related ones have that invented nonsense ( https://www.google.com/search?q=sergio+miguel+relvas+de+oliveira&rlz=1C1GCEU_pt-PTPT906PT906&oq=sergio+miguel+relvas+de+oliveira&aqs=chrome.0.0i19i355j46i19j0i19i22i30.4393j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)...
Attentively 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 13:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
OK, if it's done again i won't oppose then. Thanks for your time, sorry for any inconvenience. -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 15:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Should it be in centimetres or in metres? Dr Salvus 19:58, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
We're not Americansthat is one thing I'm very happy to agree on. Spike 'em ( talk) 21:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
If formatted correctly, it should show the 'other' way in parentheses beside whichever you enter as the primary input. Crowsus ( talk) 22:04, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Gro456 ( talk · contribs) added bold(s) to teams in the DFB-Pokal in the footballboxes. What do you say? Bold, no bold. Kante4 ( talk) 16:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Kante4 ( talk · contribs) I didn’t just add a bold image, I just deleted it. In the past, there was a thickening of the teams that dropped out. Gro456 ( talk) 17:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Apparently, for whatever reason, the EFL and the BBC websites as well as other external links including Sky Sports plus the ITV4 highlights program as seen by me are displaying the tied teams on league record in this order instead of alphabetically. Unsure why Swansea is the best team out of those with the 1-1 draws but that's how the table is displayed. The teams who recorded 0-0's are displayed in alphabetical order though. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
I seem to be the only editor who bothers to move closed AFDs from the table at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Nominations for deletion and page moves to the archive at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Deletion archive, and with a) an increase in the number of AFDs and b) me becoming busier in real life and spending less time editing, it's becoming somewhat of a chore. If anybody wants to lend me a hand then I wouldn't say no... Giant Snowman 15:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone who's better at templates than me know a way to make this template display an output in the order W-D-L? If you look at Chloe Kelly#Arsenal, 2015–17, this template has been used to create the output "a 10–4–2 record", but what's actually been entered is 10 wins, 2 draws and 4 defeats. The template automatically puts it into the order W-L-D, presumably because it was created by an American, but for European football we would want it to show in the order W-D-L, because that's the standard format that people are familiar with and understand. I asked on the template talk page but don't anticipate getting a response there any time soon..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Surely Bobby Duncan (English footballer) is notable as he has played 1 game in the FA cup? Dwanyewest ( talk) 21:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
@ FAdesdae378: please provide a rationale for removing the hatnote on this page. You said it is against guidelines – what guidelines are you refering to? You say it is on the main page, yes that is true. But it is not a valid reason to remove the hatnote from this talk page. It clearly serves a purpose as a few editors arrive at this talk page directly and may confuse it for related WikiProject talk pages. – Elisson • T • C • 21:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I feel like the hatnote is useful. We have an example of less than a month ago where a user came to post here and it was actually meant for another WikiProject. So clearly, the page can be mis-identified and thus the hatnote can help identify the correct page which is the purpose of Wikipedia:Hatnote RedPatch ( talk) 22:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
This Indonesian IP and his socks insist in vandalising this article, related since the title with men's club competitions, reverting any explained edition (a.e. add FC Barcelona records in women's football and futsal althrough that was added in the more related UEFA competitions article and deleting without reason sourcered information about Chelsea, etc. This is not the first time which thus article id vandalised with the same modus operandi. Please check and block the page, thanks.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 15:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking for advice on a collection of content that may be problematic. Category:International Federation of Football History & Statistics has a collection of awards given by International Federation of Football History & Statistics (IFFHS). Almost none of the articles cite any independent sources and given the superficial importance of IFFHS and my preliminary research into independent sources, I suspect most of these articles would fail the general notability guideline. That being said, someone has obviously spent a large amount of time on the articles with links to IFFHS and tables with the award winners.
I would appreciate input from others on the best approach to these articles. Should they be redirected or merged into the IFFHS article? Or taken to Articles for Deletion one by one? - Eóin ( talk) 14:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
The article must be explain the organisation's history and functions. Exist third sources about it (a.e. Italian Guerin Sportivo or Spanish Don Balon have covered it) and, as written in the NPOV article, its criticism is explained after. As the organisation publishes many lists and awards, its better made an article for this.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 15:45, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Would one of the members of Footy mind trying to help this user out. Their question seems to be about adding a column to a table in Alex Mitchell (English footballer). -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking at possibly creating an article for Gemma Lewis who is currently coach of the Wellington Phoenix Women's and NZ Under 20 women's teams. I'd say from the last couple of years and her coaching history, there is enough to meet WP:GNG but what I am finding difficult and interesting, is I can't find much on her playing career which I thought, would help the article more easily pass. Newspaper articles talk about her supposedly playing for Cardiff City and Chelsea as well as being a Wales international (or at least a junior one), but I just can't find anything that really backs this up. The best I've found is this from one Cardiff City reserves appearance. Am I just looking in the wrong places or has her playing career being "embellished" and just become a repeating rumour? — NZFC (talk) (cont) 06:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
The are an (re)opened discussion here for any interesed user.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 21:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Both are commonly known as "Marlon", with "Marlon Santos" also sometimes used. I don't think either can be seen as PRIMARY. What should we do? Moving them respectively to Marlon (footballer, born April 1995) and Marlon (footballer, born September 1995) might be the only solution, and redirect Marlon (footballer, born 1995) and Marlon Santos to Marlon. Nehme 1499 18:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, if anyone is able to do a neutral rewrite of Chelsea F.C. rivalry - F.C. Barcelona Rivalry that'd be great. It's currently written like a tabloid piece! Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:28, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Came across this redirect which apparently redirects to Transfer (association football). Wouldn't it make more sense to redirect to Category:English football transfer lists or to Template:English football transfers? And while we're on this subject, does anyone know where I can find a list of transfers for women in England? Or do we not have such a page on Wikipedia yet? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:46, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
As the wiki article on this prominent player and manager appears to be less frequently edited and visited than I would have imagined it could, I kindly draw the attention of Alan Ball afficianados, in particular those with access to biographical information, towards to a talkpoint I wrote a few days ago.
I would like to bring into the paragraph on his early life, pre leaving school, information from a Shropshire newspaper that sheds light on his years in Oswestry when his father was player-manager of Oswestry Town, as it is based on interview with the then 19 year old Ball, who gives retrospective credit to the experience he gained. This would add to and possibly amend what the paragraph currently says. However I notice the paragraph lacks any citations unlike the majority of others in the page, so have raised a citation need to encourage others to check up the accuracy. I envisage adding the information harmoniously into the paragraph when I have given others chance to scrutinise and provide citations. Talkpoint is headed 'Birth and Early Career with Blackpool' (subsection of Club career). Cloptonson ( talk) 17:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
For Pre-contracts we do not put them in the infobox until the contract actually begins correct? I had put it in hidden code to only show it once the contract begins, but got reverted on Kyle Hiebert as the user wants to show it. It should stay hidden right? It's already in the prose that a precontract starts on January 1. RedPatch ( talk) 23:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
See this 2020 discussion. Thoughts on adding an arrow and "(reserve)" next to reserve teams in the infobox? Filippo Ranocchia's infobox looks very weird the way it does right now. If he were to move permanently to Monza, the clubs would be listed as (numbers represent the chronological order): 1. Juventus, 2. → Perugia (loan), 4. → Vicenza (loan), 5. → Monza (loan), 3. Juventus U23, 6. Monza.
It would make more sense to put Juventus U23 between Perugia and Vicenza, and list it as "→ Juventus U23 (reserve)". This makes it clear that it is neither a loan nor a permanent transfer to the reserve team. Also, it makes sure that the subsequent loaned teams (Vicenza, Monza) refer to the parent team (Juventus), not the reserves (U23). Nehme 1499 09:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
If the player only played for the reserve team and not the parent team, the parent team should not be in the infobox. If the reserve team spell is sandwiched between loan spells, an arrow + (res.) is ideal. Nehme 1499 22:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
It depends. If the reserve-team spell is sandwiched between loans, I would keep the arrow (for example at Luca Clemenza. Nehme 1499 10:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi folks, in the future if you see any IP editing with the edit summary "Time", it is likely all edits made are disruptive so we should revert them all upon checking the difference first. Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 17:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Came across this while random article patrolling. One match was played and then COVID hit. Is there anything that should be done with pages like this? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Can I please get input on Template:Chelsea F.C. squad. Sarr is out on loan, not left the club, should he be hidden with < !--- or removed completely in your opinion? Chelsdog is edit warring. JMHamo ( talk) 18:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC) JMHamo ( talk) 18:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Several years ago, this project was faced with a systematic deletion of thousands of completed unsourced BLPs when BLPPROD was introduced. I remember that we organized and worked tirelessly to sort through the completely unsourced BLPs and source the ones that could pass NFOOTBALL (which existed at the time). We are now faced with a systematic deletion of thousands of poorly sourced BLPs following the deprecation of NFOOTBALL. I find myself struggling to identify and prioritize poorly sourced BLPs to improve to GNG-level sourcing, and I thought it may be useful if we as a project start a task force to do so. I also think sharing of resources can be very useful as well. For example, Mundo Deportivo has a free digitized online archive here that is very useful in sourcing articles about La Liga footballers (particularly if they played in the Catalan region). I'm sure we have editors with knowledge of other useful and free archives that we could build into a database to help interested editors in this effort. Any interest? Anyone willing to get it started? (I'm technically limited, so I'm happy to take on various tasks, but I can't promise I'll organize or use the tools properly). Jogurney ( talk) 20:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I've started a page ( User:Jogurney/Association football BLP cleanup) that lists likely notable football biographies that appear to lack SIGCOV in their current state (I'm picking players that appeared at a FIFA World Cup finals or made 100+ appearances in La Liga or a similarly-covered competition). Please feel free to add or work on sourcing (and strike out sourced articles). Jogurney ( talk) 21:30, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 09:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football → Wikipedia:WikiProject Association football – I suggest moving this page to avoid confusion with other WikiProjects about sports named "football". FAdesdae378 ( talk · contribs) 02:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
A few days ago, Fma12 changed the format of the FIFA World Cup results table without discussion ( before, after). Same for other competitions such as the FIFA Arab Cup. Thoughts on these changes? Nehme 1499 19:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Hey, this discussion was pretty clear but Miha2020 ( talk · contribs) (pinged so he can participate) keeps on adding the 2016 UEFA Super Cup to his honours, despite him not being in the squad. So, should we talk it all over again or does the consensus stand? Kante4 ( talk) 14:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
i said my cm here: User talk:Miha2020#Kroos and in summary of my edits in Toni Kroos history. real madrid site says 5!-- Miha2020 ( talk) 14:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Would this move be the sort of move which potentially should have been discussed first - while I was looking at the titles of the references alone they are half Marlon, half Marlon Santos. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 18:03, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, RL got in the way. Even if it only displayed results with those specific strings, there's no reason why they should all apply to Marlon Santos. The Marlon Ramirez result is quite legitimate: it contains "Birmingham Legion" (FC Tulsa's previous opponent) and "Marlon" (an FC Tulsa player) and doesn't contain "Santos". And the last one I linked might have contained "Marlon" in one of the sidebars or dropdowns in the version Google found which had gone by the time it reached me? I can't think of a way to construct a search to pick up only results about Marlon Santos without the surname. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:59, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I was thinking that it might be good to standardise the colour used in tables for fourth place. Currently, both a pale yellow and a blue are used across different pages but I’ve recently seen something of a push towards the blue. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to do here? Vesuvio14 ( talk) 13:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Any suggestion on which colour to use though? Vesuvio14 ( talk) 16:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I’d have to agree about removing any colour and removing it from honours; as you have said, fourth place isn’t usually given an award. However, as per Elisson’s comment, if there is a particular award then I see no problem with keeping it in those cases. Vesuvio14 ( talk) 20:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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Redrose64 🌹 (
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I'm going to suggest that this is sufficient consensus for the removal of colour for 4th place unless being used in such a competition where a team/players receive a fourth place award. Unless there are any objections, I will addd this to WP:WPFCONSENSUS soon. Vesuvio14 ( talk) 15:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Should it be when the contract is deposited or when the buying club officialises the deal? Dr Salvus 17:33, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
The interest of those with particular interests in WWI history and the North East of England is drawn to the talk page of this article. The player - full name John Robert Williamson - who appeared inter alia for Aston Villa and Sunderland and was native of County Durham (Gateshead) - disappears from history at the end of the 1914-15 season but I believe I may have discovered a candidate for his identity - an identically named soldier who died of wounds in England in November 1915 and is buried at Silkworth churchyard, now in the suburbs of Sunderland. I have suggested lines of enquiry for those seeking confirmation in published sources as to whether or not they are the same man. Cloptonson ( talk) 12:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi - how should I indicate an abandoned match in a page that uses
Module:Sports results? The match is
Chippenham Town v. Chelmsford City and the page is
2022–23 National League#Results table 3 - should I use |match_CHI_CHE=A-A
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Redrose64 🌹 (
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With the notability changes, there are / will be a lot of footballer bios going to AfD. Should there be an effort to copy the information to Wikidata, or do we consider WD just another external site that is somebody else's problem? Example: AfD Aug 12 Yusuf Osman Abdulahi, WD diff. (Disclaimer: I'm not into footy and don't have the time or inclination to do all this by myself.) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 22:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
What are people's thoughts about diving specific club sub sections up into individual seasons, like at Gavin Massey? Personally I think it's excessive and it puts pressure on articles to be made excessively detailed as time goes by. For example, Massey played a total of nine games for Watford, but the Watford subsection has 7 subsections of its own. I felt it necessary to break the Wigan Athletic subsection into individual seasons so the article remains consistent, but his time there was fairly mundane considering he played 166 games. It doesn't seem right having the Wigan subsection as one whole whilst Watford and Colchester are broken down into individual seasons and loan spells. What is the best approach? Echetus Xe 14:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Alex Scott (footballer, born 1984) to be moved to Alex Scott (female footballer). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. — RMCD bot 01:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
I have reason to believe that two footballers may be conflated in this article. The Bristol Rovers footballer who was killed in 1917 is identified with William Howell Powell Westwood, born in Langley Green, Worcestershire particularly by the PFA in its Football and the First World War website. The identification is also supported in the Doncaster 1914-18 site. The player named by the article (John William Westwood) and the player killed in WWI had not only different stated given names but also different birthplaces. See talk page of article for my more detailed comments. Cloptonson ( talk) 17:30, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
What kinds of clubs would season-to-season sections be good for? I have taken a little look at some lower table la liga clubs and it seems to be pretty standard. Should we add more, delete the existing ones or decide individually on each article by consensus? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:12, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
For example, here. Some of them are called season to season or something like that and some of them are just called “seasons”. (Sorry I can’t reply to your message directly, my phone isn’t letting me). Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Ok. So make them for spain or what? (Again, why did I think doing this on my phone was a good idea?) Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:53, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Looking deeper into it, it appears that nearly all Spanish clubs actually do have those pages (bottom of this page and have simply not bothered to take them off of the articles. Do we remove them? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 16:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
@Crowsus So if the information is just there in the season page, couldn’t you literally just copy and paste that section onto its own article? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 20:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
I moved the kits from a gallery on the main page to Wiki:Commons, as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams but my edits are continually reverted by @ Chuckdisi who is not engaging in conversation (either through edit notes or the Talk page) to resolve the issue. Could somebody else provide some input as I've strayed beyond 3RR. Many thanks Felixsv7 ( talk) 08:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
if you are interested in presenting a picture, please provide an encyclopedic context, or consider adding it to Wikimedia Commons. For example, A.C. Monza provides sourced prose describing each of the kits shown. Nehme 1499 12:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
I've been bold and have mass removed unsourced content and unnecessary tables. Nehme 1499 12:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
Cloptonson ( talk) 10:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 07:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
I just happened to stumble across the WikiProject Football Booklist, which I hadn't known existed before. Seems to be useful. If someone has other football-related books to add to the list it would be nice :) Nehme 1499 14:57, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Last time at AfD it was kept under technicality, should it be deleted now? Doesn't really pass GNG, WP:SPORTCRIT. Govvy ( talk) 13:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
In a football stadium, what are the four sides called? The two "short" seating spaces are called "curva" in Italian, while the two "long" sides "tribuna". Is there a distinction between the stands for the press and the one on the opposite side? Image for reference. Nehme 1499 00:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for their answers. I asked this query in order to better describe the stadium section at A.C. Monza. I just opted to call them "stand" (lowercase s) when talking generically, and "West (or whatever) Stand" (capital S) when talking about a specific stand. Nehme 1499 14:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Monza re-opened the east stand (Tribuna Est) [...]over translating the stands and artificially treating the translations as proper names when they (very likely) aren't. – Elisson • T • C • 17:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
93.34.89.249 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) keeps adding a "Defunct competitions" header to the Italy national football team article ( dif), referring to a "standard". AFAIK, it is not standard to have this header. Am I mistaken? Nehme 1499 09:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
I’ve checked numerous articles and can’t find examples of this anywhere. I definitely don’t think there should be such a section. Vesuvio14 ( talk) 14:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering about creating article in terms of late bloomering in football. We would describe there football players who started proffesional career lately like Enric Gallego, Junior Messias, Elmo Kambindu or world class players who made explosion after 30 like Roger Milla and Luca Toni, and other interesing cases like of course Jamie Vardy? What do you think? There is an article but not speciffially focussed on football: Late bloomer. 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC) Dawid2009 ( talk) 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
See this (and pinging S.A. Julio). Since {{fb|IRN}} and {{fb|KOR}} respectively display Iran (not IR Iran) and South Korea (not Korea Republic), I don't see why China is the only nation to display its FIFA name ( China) rather than the common name ( China). The article is also located at China national football team, rather than at China PR national football team. Nehme 1499 19:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Also pinging Pppery, who had initially removed "China PR" as an alias. Nehme 1499 00:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Apologies if this is not the correct place to discuss this, but surely the article for Doncaster Rovers home ground needs renaming as the sponsorship naming with Keepmoat has expired and the ground now has a new sponsor name. RM-Taylor ( talk) 00:44, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello - I believe that pre-season stats should be reported in club season articles. I don't mean in the info box but just in a table under 'Statistics' under 'Goalscorers', 'Friendlies'. In my opinion these statistics belong to a club season and this can be stated very well. On this way it is not specifically included in player stats, but only in club seasons. - I'd love to hear what you guys think about this. Thanks in advance. SapCal9719 ( talk) 17:44, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Don’t see how pre-season matches hold much weight, considering Man United beat Liverpool 4-0 in one of them recently. It’s a disagree for me. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 21:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
So one of the worst-kept secrets in the women's game over the last few years has been the romantic relationship between Tobin Heath and Christen Press. They never confirmed the relationship, though they'd occasionally drop social media posts that hint at a romantic relationship, and neither has publicly come out. This summer, they appeared as a couple publicly for the first time, holding hands at the ESPY Awards. At that event, Press answered questions from ET Online, where she was asked about her relationship with Heath and mostly tried to dodge the interviewer's attempts to get her to confirm their relationship status, but she does concede at one point that the two are a "power couple" like Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe.
Some editors see that as a confirmation of their relationship (see [18] and [19]). I watched the same interview and thought Press was trying to avoid declaring themselves a romantic pair. In any case, I think we need a source other than etonline to verify, but as far as I can tell, no WP:RS has reported the "power couple" statement.
What's the correct approach here? I know this is a gossip column, but it sticks mostly to reported facts and the conclusion is that they're not "officially" a couple, even though they obviously are. Or is the "power couple" statement enough to be a "confirmation" (without any other source, I think it runs afoul of WP:SYNTH). Adeletron 3030 ( talk • edits) 12:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Lnhbm has been changing some FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament navigational boxes to include newspaper team of the seasons, in addition to FIFA's official team (see dif at Template:1990 FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament for example). Is this necessary? Nehme 1499 12:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I realise this doesn't matter to many people (particularly on a Saturday evening) but anyway. My understanding was that football clubs should have a non-diffusing 'headline category' basically matching their short description, i.e Football clubs in Xland [their football nation] unaffected by all others, in the same way a player will be, for instance, a generic French footballer over and above being a France international footballer, a Ligue 1 player, a Footballer from Paris, a French expatriate footballer and/or a PSG player as applicable. The lists of most nations ( here) do follow this pattern but there are several which don't; significantly Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Greece, Mexico, Rep of Ireland, Romania, Spain (which I was starting to 'fix' when I thought it was a one-off, then doubted myself and came here), South Korea, Sweden, Ukraine and USA. Not sure if there is a firm guideline at a football club template or just a site-wide convention that has been interpreted in different ways, but either way there really should be consistency across the sport. If it doesn't need to be used, there is really no need for there to be 974 articles in Football clubs in Germany when there is also a complete set of Football clubs in Germany by state where they are already also listed. Or if the rule does need to be used, might be good to have someone who knows how to create bots to do one to add the category for the exceptional countries above, as the total for a few of these will run well into the hundreds. Crowsus ( talk) 21:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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It's tough to tell as neither article is of a particularly good standard, but I think the articles for Northamptonshire Senior Cup and Hillier Cup are actually describing the same competition. The list of winners/runner-up are very similar (although not completely identical!), and Kettering Town have won both trophies 31 times :P
Therefore I think these articles need combining/merging (or maybe just the Hillier article deleting?), but this is all a bit beyond my skillset if anyone can be of assistance? Thanks for your help Nonleagueapps ( talk) 09:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Rcclh: is edit warring at this article to change the Leeds stats from 31 to 30 games. Sources say both, but the STABLE version is 31 and that is supported by (in my view) a better calibre of source, being Hugman, Neil Brown, and (based on the career stats table) ENFA - as opposed to the Leeds fan sites and WorldFootball Rcclh suggests. Can anybody shed any light please? Giant Snowman 19:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
1 John Lukic 2 Brian Greenhoff 3 Eddie Gray 4 Kevin Hird 5 Kenny Burns 6 Trevor Cherry 7 Carl Harris 8 Gwyn Thomas 9 Frank Worthington 10 Terry Connor 11 Peter Barnes
according to ENFA. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:I know Pete Barnes is the brother of John Barnes. I create the
1980-81 Nottingham Forest season masterpice article and I'm gonna delete it because the Nomenklature censored my CONMEBOL Qualification stages Position by round tables.
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An RfC is pending at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#RfC: Change to Sports Personalities section. Cbl62 ( talk) 03:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that a lot of club and club-season articles have sub-sections titled "other players under contract" (see here), listing fringe players who have just come back from loan spells but are not included in the first-team squad by the club itself. Most of those players are bound to depart again soon, but it's not uncommon to see one or two guys remain there for an entire season, either because they're injured or the club is unable to sell them. Needless to say, those section are usually unreferenced (but most likely relying on information found on Transfermarkt).
So the question is: what's the consensus here? Personally, I would get rid of those sub-sections since they're unsourced and OR. Besides, if such players are not considered first-team players by the club, I see no reason for us to include list them at all (just like we don't list every single academy player, or every single kitman for that matter). Luxic ( talk) 21:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Looks like "Tottenham Hotspur" is common name than "Tottenham Hotspur F.C.". "Tottenham Hotspur F.C." is probably fake (such abbreviation is rather not used expect Wikipedia). Eurohunter ( talk) 23:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
It would appear that a random 29-year-old Premier League footballer has been arrested per this news report. Keep your eyes on any potential vandalism on the random article in case people who know the identity of that footballer starts editing that page. He can't be named for legal reasons - the same case with Gylfi Sigurðsson almost a year ago where people probably vandalised that article of the former Everton player. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 20:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Could I get some input at Raphinha for the RM? Thanks. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 14:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
When a deal is officialised, can there be a reliable source different from the club's website? Dr Salvus 21:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I can check on this when I have time, if nobody else has been able to, but I put the pertinent info on Middlemass's talk page. Either the Lancashire Evening Post has lifted from his Wikipedia article almost verbatim, or a Wikipedia editor has been deft with some copying and pasting skills.
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Do we really need the recently added 'team location maps', in all the CFL season pages? I'm asking here, as WP:CFL is semi-active. GoodDay ( talk) 21:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@ GoodDay: Just so you know, this is the WikiProject for soccer. I think you wanted Wikipedia:WikiProject American football since you were asking about the CFL and North American Football instead of European football, which is what this one is. RedPatch ( talk) 21:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Can Raheem Sterling be protected please? JMHamo ( talk) 17:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Is the Newport player in this image John Aldridge? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that some editors are (in my opinion) incorrectly changing club information players in national team articles, specifically Argentina, Brazil ( [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]) and England ( [9] [10] [11] [12]). I've reverted a few of these edits but realized I was getting into an edit war but I've stopped.
Anyway, in each case, there's a note saying the information is correct as of the June FIFA window, and updating them to reflect the July transfers introduces inaccuracies. The player information should reflect their club status at the time of the June international matches, right? Adeletron 3030 ( talk • edits) 12:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
As mentioned, this discussion took place at the same time last year and is referenced on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams. It was mentioned that the latest age and cap/goal number is currently used therefore using their current club is in line with that - I don't think there's any need for a change to the status quo. Felixsv7 ( talk) 12:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Can we recreate a list of players who won European Cup and UEFA Champions League? NextEditor123 ( talk) 21:34, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I did not create the article and did not started the DVR. I just asked the question. NextEditor123 ( talk) 22:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Sunderland A.F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 04:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
I stumbled upon several categories created by one user in March this year. Namely:
In edit summaries, this user claims he created those categories following Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 188#RfC: Categorise male footballers in the same way that we categorise female footballers. There seems to be a consensus found in that Village pump proposal, however the categories above is all we have now - five months after said proposal.
What do you think should be the next course of action? Should the consensus be enacted totally throughout the whole footballers categorization trees, or should the abovementioned categories be put to discussion at WP:CFD?
Thanks. Darwinek ( talk) 23:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Is coming second in a two team competition an “honour”? Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 19:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I’ve received a host of “medals” for finishing runs, bike rides etc. but I wouldn’t treat them as “honours”, so I’m not sure the medal argument is helpful. Likewise, the only qualification required is to win the Premier League or FA Cup (generally), for which medals are already given. -- Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 20:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Strange situation as to think that should be an honour for runners-up yet I see someone returning the honour and ref to the Liverpool players in 2019 ( example). At this moment it is unstable as to see if that content should be included or not re the runners-up Community Shield honour since that has been removed/re-inserted many times among a handful of articles including Joe Gomez (footballer). But there are Community Shield honours for the winners. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes, in my opinion - although at the beginning of the season, it's an actual competitive competition, recognised by UEFA as a 'super cup', that has been running for over a century, as opposed to the unofficial, unrecognised, here-today-gone-tomorrow pre-season tournaments like the Audi Cup, Asia Trophy, Emirates Cup etc. You receive a medal for finishing as runner-up, rather than just coming second and that being that (such as league tournaments) and as with other trophies it therefore should justifiably be included in the Honours section. I'm not sure the number of teams in the tournament should make a difference, particularly as it's a super cup. It's an official trophy according to all the official bodies, you receive a runners-up medal, so I can't see any reason at all why it shouldn't be included, unless we commit to removing ALL runners-up medals, which would be a separate conversation (but which I'd also disagree with. -- OGBC1992 ( talk) 19:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
I’d argue, as we’re discussing the ‘Honours’ section, the fact you receive a medal is far more relevant than the number of teams in the competition (which as far as I know has never been a factor in a tournament’s legitimacy) OGBC1992 ( talk) 21:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes per above. Dr Salvus 21:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Furthermore, a runners-up medal for the Community Shield isn't a 'participation medal', like a fun run, or a 'well done for turning up' medal, by the same token that any runners-up medal isn't, despite losing any final being the equivalent of coming second out of two. The Shield is a super cup, not an invitational tournament, that you need to properly qualify for. OGBC1992 ( talk) 16:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I'm new here on this platform. Here on a particular page related to Indian football, Mohammedan SC (Kolkata), Mr. User:Debankan Mullick made a ton of edits, removing important data, records, file–images, citations and others, without mentioning edit summaries. According to me (who, within a year or more than that, contributed neutral data, references, and things related to the club seriously), those edits (few of those, are really acceptable; others are synonymous of vandalism) predominantly made the article poor, inappropriate, and "damaged".
Examples of vandalism:
1. The club doesn't have its separate statistics article ; but the user removed the club's all data about RUNNERS-UP finishes in honours section. Also, the current honours section format is wrong.
2. The user also removed reliable references, notes, and other items singlehandedly.
3. Also removed club RECORDS, which were important, and added by me with proper citations. Its horrible that, Now they all are vanished.
4. Also removed data in History section and the user too removed clubs matches against notable opponents. Simply, all citations related to those, gone forever.
5. The User removed OTHER DEPARTMENTS section (beside men's football section; women's football, hockey, cricket, futsal), and all the data and citations gone.
& MANY MORE
That's why — I'm requesting all of you, if possible, PLEASE take a look on those happenings, and fix/restore all necessary data and references, to make the article "healthy". Thanking all of you a lot at the end & keep smiling :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billjones94 ( talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 05:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 19:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
A.C. Monza has been a FA candidate for three weeks, with almost no comments or reviews. I would appreciate it if someone took the time to give a review :) Nehme 1499 21:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Has been on a hefty vandalism spree, if any admins are about. Seasider53 ( talk) 15:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
We had two relatively recent discussions ( here and here) about the addition of positions per round tables to league-format articles. The general consensus was that there should not be position per round tables in these articles. However, I think that it would be a lot easier if all league season articles (or at least the ones in the big 5) had the same format. If so, do we get rid of the tables on 2021-22 La Liga, 2021-22 Serie A, 2021-22 Ligue 1 and other leagues that have them, or add them to the leagues that don't? https://www.bdfutbol.com is a source where you can view all of the league tables by matchday, and also has 4 leagues that do not have position per round tables (Premier league, bundesliga, Primera División RFEF and segunda division RFEF), which saves it from the WP:OR discussion. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 08:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
That seems to be the overall consensus. These tables may look pretty (or they may not, taste is subjective), but matches being postponed or otherwise played out of order on a fairly regular basis leads straight to a WP:OR argument. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Jkudlick: If you're going to remove the positions per round section (which is fine per this consensus), you should do it systematically, not just go to the three seasons I brought as an example in this discussion ;) -- SuperJew ( talk) 06:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Well, I've removed in the meantime from the Big 5 European men's leagues. (And also cleaned-up assists while I was at it). This might lead to more feedback. -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jay_Spearing&oldid=prev&diff=1098431847 pretty sure liverpool should be listed in his list, thats what we do for every other player who sign for a team with the intention of playing for their reserve team as a player/coach not doing it for sparing would be the odd one out so unless we decide that eliminate it for every player who signed for a team as an u23 player despite being in their 30s... its been happening a lot recently. the editer just seem to be strubborn, plenty of young players sign for a team, play in their reservers, and then never actually end up playing for the first team this is no different. Muur ( talk) 21:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
looks like hes 6 years older than he claimed he is [14] Muur ( talk) 01:58, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
When the article was being reviewed, the reviewer put Template:Lang-it in the name of the leagues he's played. Is it actually needed? If not, please removed them, I don't have my PC now. Dr Salvus 10:06, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
What's the etiquette regarding squad articles - e.g. UEFA Women's Euro 2022 squads - when a player has changed club over the course of the tournament in question, as (e.g.) Emma Koivisto has? Thanks. OGBC1992 ( talk) 17:37, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
The club listed is the club for which the player last played a competitive match prior to the tournament.. -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
I found a interesting claim on KF Vushtrria's article. It says that a club "legend" by the name of Agon Begu broke FIFA records while at the club. However, I can't find any sources that mention him or any record-breaking at the club at all. Is there anyone familiar with Kosovar football who can shed some light on weather or not the claim is true, or if this person even existed? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 13:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone fancy drawing this for the club/season articles? See: https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2022-07-04/away-kit-announcement-southampton-football-club-4-july-2022. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 14:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Am I right in remembering there was some policy about not having flag icons next to clubs in season articles? example. They weren't in last season's articles but they're being included in every club's season articles this time. I don't see why an English player moving from an English club to another English club needs two flags to assist the reader. It makes sense if it's a foreign club but why is it needed for a club in the same league? It's just the lack of consistency that annoys me, these season articles seem to change every year based on pretty much nothing. Echetus Xe 13:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Is this article necessary? Nehme 1499 15:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Where to put a player that has been demoted to a B team, i.e. he's training with them, during pre-season: move him to the B team article, or put him under "Other players under contract" in the first-team article? SLBedit ( talk) 15:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone please create a squad template for VfB Oldenburg? They've been promoted to the fully professional 3. Liga for this season. Kind regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 10:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
See 2022–23_Manchester_United_F.C._season: I'm sure I've read somewhere on our project talk page relatively recently that the full fixture list should not be visible at the start of the season unless something has changed regarding that content. Related articles also have their fixture list in full as well yet I don't see the full list of fixtures for this article at present. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 20:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
a schedule of future events may be appropriate if it can be verified(which is our case). Nehme 1499 09:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Well I only like to see a few games at a time, with fixtures subject to change it's easy to mess things up and have incorrect information on the page. Govvy ( talk) 13:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Cambodia women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.
Madagascar women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.
Mauritius women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 17:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
For your information I have created the Category above, Thanks GrahamHardy ( talk) 18:21, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I know there's info at the top of the WikiProject, to help readers avoid the confusion. But honestly, an RM should be considered to re-name it Wikipedia:WikiProject Association Football. Make Wikipedia:WikiProject Football, an umbrella for both the 'association' & 'gridiron' versions of the name. GoodDay ( talk) 14:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
This AfD has just been closed as "keep" after being open for 13 years...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I want to ask. Is it necessary to put season progress and positions by round in 2022–23 Liga 1 (Indonesia) like this and this edit? I'm asking about this because I previously put this in 2017 Liga 1 (Indonesia) and it was deleted because there was no source. But Fau Tzy insist to put it since he was editing without an user. Please enlighten me. I don't want to engage in edit war. Pinging Mattythewhite, GiantSnowman. Thanks. Wira rhea ( talk) 20:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
they have bolton vs sporting listed wrong, they put a 1-0 win for bolton instead of a 1-0 win for sporting. it was 1-1 at bolton and 1-0 for sporting in portugal. Muur ( talk) 21:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Some additional input may be required at the Barassi Line page. More association football knowledgeable editors, could really be of some help. GoodDay ( talk) 15:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Trying to get more eyes on Didier Lamkel Zé – it's getting a high volume of unsourced IP edits. I've requested page protection as well. Perfect4th ( talk) 15:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why players either who have been booked or sent off should not be included into football match infobox? This is common practice used until previous season. During League matches cards are reported as well as, including Cup matches and European competition, especially for a club season. This is what I've always noticed for years. Barcelona v Juventus report do include cards. Why user @ Dr Salvus: is preventing me from diplaying this information? Since the beginning user @ Mediocre Legacy: added them, as we are used to it. Now seems to be impossible. Island92 ( talk) 11:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
{{
Footballbox collapsible}}
is named |goals1=
or similar, there is only one value which it may hold - anything else is overloading. If it is desirable to indicate misses, cards and anything else, fresh dedicated parameters must be added. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
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20:31, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Could an admin please take a look at an apparent edit war on Charlton Athletic F.C. - 3RR being repeatedly broken, it seems. Paul W ( talk) 18:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
@Rusty1111 is adding fan blogs and links to photos of the games to the Report sections. I'm removing them as they are unreliable and unnecessary only for @Rusty1111 to revert my edits. Can someone warn him that his edits are against consensus before it's 3RR time? Dougal18 ( talk) 12:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Have honestly no idea where the Turkish media got that full name from, but the correct version is the one that now stands. Here, have this google search with tons of results yielding "Sérgio Miguel Relvas de Oliveira", only the Turkish related ones have that invented nonsense ( https://www.google.com/search?q=sergio+miguel+relvas+de+oliveira&rlz=1C1GCEU_pt-PTPT906PT906&oq=sergio+miguel+relvas+de+oliveira&aqs=chrome.0.0i19i355j46i19j0i19i22i30.4393j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)...
Attentively 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 13:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
OK, if it's done again i won't oppose then. Thanks for your time, sorry for any inconvenience. -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 15:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Should it be in centimetres or in metres? Dr Salvus 19:58, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
We're not Americansthat is one thing I'm very happy to agree on. Spike 'em ( talk) 21:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
If formatted correctly, it should show the 'other' way in parentheses beside whichever you enter as the primary input. Crowsus ( talk) 22:04, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Gro456 ( talk · contribs) added bold(s) to teams in the DFB-Pokal in the footballboxes. What do you say? Bold, no bold. Kante4 ( talk) 16:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Kante4 ( talk · contribs) I didn’t just add a bold image, I just deleted it. In the past, there was a thickening of the teams that dropped out. Gro456 ( talk) 17:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Apparently, for whatever reason, the EFL and the BBC websites as well as other external links including Sky Sports plus the ITV4 highlights program as seen by me are displaying the tied teams on league record in this order instead of alphabetically. Unsure why Swansea is the best team out of those with the 1-1 draws but that's how the table is displayed. The teams who recorded 0-0's are displayed in alphabetical order though. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
I seem to be the only editor who bothers to move closed AFDs from the table at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Nominations for deletion and page moves to the archive at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Deletion archive, and with a) an increase in the number of AFDs and b) me becoming busier in real life and spending less time editing, it's becoming somewhat of a chore. If anybody wants to lend me a hand then I wouldn't say no... Giant Snowman 15:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone who's better at templates than me know a way to make this template display an output in the order W-D-L? If you look at Chloe Kelly#Arsenal, 2015–17, this template has been used to create the output "a 10–4–2 record", but what's actually been entered is 10 wins, 2 draws and 4 defeats. The template automatically puts it into the order W-L-D, presumably because it was created by an American, but for European football we would want it to show in the order W-D-L, because that's the standard format that people are familiar with and understand. I asked on the template talk page but don't anticipate getting a response there any time soon..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Surely Bobby Duncan (English footballer) is notable as he has played 1 game in the FA cup? Dwanyewest ( talk) 21:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
@ FAdesdae378: please provide a rationale for removing the hatnote on this page. You said it is against guidelines – what guidelines are you refering to? You say it is on the main page, yes that is true. But it is not a valid reason to remove the hatnote from this talk page. It clearly serves a purpose as a few editors arrive at this talk page directly and may confuse it for related WikiProject talk pages. – Elisson • T • C • 21:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I feel like the hatnote is useful. We have an example of less than a month ago where a user came to post here and it was actually meant for another WikiProject. So clearly, the page can be mis-identified and thus the hatnote can help identify the correct page which is the purpose of Wikipedia:Hatnote RedPatch ( talk) 22:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
This Indonesian IP and his socks insist in vandalising this article, related since the title with men's club competitions, reverting any explained edition (a.e. add FC Barcelona records in women's football and futsal althrough that was added in the more related UEFA competitions article and deleting without reason sourcered information about Chelsea, etc. This is not the first time which thus article id vandalised with the same modus operandi. Please check and block the page, thanks.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 15:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking for advice on a collection of content that may be problematic. Category:International Federation of Football History & Statistics has a collection of awards given by International Federation of Football History & Statistics (IFFHS). Almost none of the articles cite any independent sources and given the superficial importance of IFFHS and my preliminary research into independent sources, I suspect most of these articles would fail the general notability guideline. That being said, someone has obviously spent a large amount of time on the articles with links to IFFHS and tables with the award winners.
I would appreciate input from others on the best approach to these articles. Should they be redirected or merged into the IFFHS article? Or taken to Articles for Deletion one by one? - Eóin ( talk) 14:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
The article must be explain the organisation's history and functions. Exist third sources about it (a.e. Italian Guerin Sportivo or Spanish Don Balon have covered it) and, as written in the NPOV article, its criticism is explained after. As the organisation publishes many lists and awards, its better made an article for this.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 15:45, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Would one of the members of Footy mind trying to help this user out. Their question seems to be about adding a column to a table in Alex Mitchell (English footballer). -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking at possibly creating an article for Gemma Lewis who is currently coach of the Wellington Phoenix Women's and NZ Under 20 women's teams. I'd say from the last couple of years and her coaching history, there is enough to meet WP:GNG but what I am finding difficult and interesting, is I can't find much on her playing career which I thought, would help the article more easily pass. Newspaper articles talk about her supposedly playing for Cardiff City and Chelsea as well as being a Wales international (or at least a junior one), but I just can't find anything that really backs this up. The best I've found is this from one Cardiff City reserves appearance. Am I just looking in the wrong places or has her playing career being "embellished" and just become a repeating rumour? — NZFC (talk) (cont) 06:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
The are an (re)opened discussion here for any interesed user.-- Dantetheperuvian ( talk) 21:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Both are commonly known as "Marlon", with "Marlon Santos" also sometimes used. I don't think either can be seen as PRIMARY. What should we do? Moving them respectively to Marlon (footballer, born April 1995) and Marlon (footballer, born September 1995) might be the only solution, and redirect Marlon (footballer, born 1995) and Marlon Santos to Marlon. Nehme 1499 18:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, if anyone is able to do a neutral rewrite of Chelsea F.C. rivalry - F.C. Barcelona Rivalry that'd be great. It's currently written like a tabloid piece! Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:28, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Came across this redirect which apparently redirects to Transfer (association football). Wouldn't it make more sense to redirect to Category:English football transfer lists or to Template:English football transfers? And while we're on this subject, does anyone know where I can find a list of transfers for women in England? Or do we not have such a page on Wikipedia yet? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:46, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
As the wiki article on this prominent player and manager appears to be less frequently edited and visited than I would have imagined it could, I kindly draw the attention of Alan Ball afficianados, in particular those with access to biographical information, towards to a talkpoint I wrote a few days ago.
I would like to bring into the paragraph on his early life, pre leaving school, information from a Shropshire newspaper that sheds light on his years in Oswestry when his father was player-manager of Oswestry Town, as it is based on interview with the then 19 year old Ball, who gives retrospective credit to the experience he gained. This would add to and possibly amend what the paragraph currently says. However I notice the paragraph lacks any citations unlike the majority of others in the page, so have raised a citation need to encourage others to check up the accuracy. I envisage adding the information harmoniously into the paragraph when I have given others chance to scrutinise and provide citations. Talkpoint is headed 'Birth and Early Career with Blackpool' (subsection of Club career). Cloptonson ( talk) 17:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
For Pre-contracts we do not put them in the infobox until the contract actually begins correct? I had put it in hidden code to only show it once the contract begins, but got reverted on Kyle Hiebert as the user wants to show it. It should stay hidden right? It's already in the prose that a precontract starts on January 1. RedPatch ( talk) 23:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
See this 2020 discussion. Thoughts on adding an arrow and "(reserve)" next to reserve teams in the infobox? Filippo Ranocchia's infobox looks very weird the way it does right now. If he were to move permanently to Monza, the clubs would be listed as (numbers represent the chronological order): 1. Juventus, 2. → Perugia (loan), 4. → Vicenza (loan), 5. → Monza (loan), 3. Juventus U23, 6. Monza.
It would make more sense to put Juventus U23 between Perugia and Vicenza, and list it as "→ Juventus U23 (reserve)". This makes it clear that it is neither a loan nor a permanent transfer to the reserve team. Also, it makes sure that the subsequent loaned teams (Vicenza, Monza) refer to the parent team (Juventus), not the reserves (U23). Nehme 1499 09:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
If the player only played for the reserve team and not the parent team, the parent team should not be in the infobox. If the reserve team spell is sandwiched between loan spells, an arrow + (res.) is ideal. Nehme 1499 22:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
It depends. If the reserve-team spell is sandwiched between loans, I would keep the arrow (for example at Luca Clemenza. Nehme 1499 10:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi folks, in the future if you see any IP editing with the edit summary "Time", it is likely all edits made are disruptive so we should revert them all upon checking the difference first. Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 17:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Came across this while random article patrolling. One match was played and then COVID hit. Is there anything that should be done with pages like this? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Can I please get input on Template:Chelsea F.C. squad. Sarr is out on loan, not left the club, should he be hidden with < !--- or removed completely in your opinion? Chelsdog is edit warring. JMHamo ( talk) 18:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC) JMHamo ( talk) 18:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Several years ago, this project was faced with a systematic deletion of thousands of completed unsourced BLPs when BLPPROD was introduced. I remember that we organized and worked tirelessly to sort through the completely unsourced BLPs and source the ones that could pass NFOOTBALL (which existed at the time). We are now faced with a systematic deletion of thousands of poorly sourced BLPs following the deprecation of NFOOTBALL. I find myself struggling to identify and prioritize poorly sourced BLPs to improve to GNG-level sourcing, and I thought it may be useful if we as a project start a task force to do so. I also think sharing of resources can be very useful as well. For example, Mundo Deportivo has a free digitized online archive here that is very useful in sourcing articles about La Liga footballers (particularly if they played in the Catalan region). I'm sure we have editors with knowledge of other useful and free archives that we could build into a database to help interested editors in this effort. Any interest? Anyone willing to get it started? (I'm technically limited, so I'm happy to take on various tasks, but I can't promise I'll organize or use the tools properly). Jogurney ( talk) 20:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I've started a page ( User:Jogurney/Association football BLP cleanup) that lists likely notable football biographies that appear to lack SIGCOV in their current state (I'm picking players that appeared at a FIFA World Cup finals or made 100+ appearances in La Liga or a similarly-covered competition). Please feel free to add or work on sourcing (and strike out sourced articles). Jogurney ( talk) 21:30, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 09:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football → Wikipedia:WikiProject Association football – I suggest moving this page to avoid confusion with other WikiProjects about sports named "football". FAdesdae378 ( talk · contribs) 02:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
A few days ago, Fma12 changed the format of the FIFA World Cup results table without discussion ( before, after). Same for other competitions such as the FIFA Arab Cup. Thoughts on these changes? Nehme 1499 19:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Hey, this discussion was pretty clear but Miha2020 ( talk · contribs) (pinged so he can participate) keeps on adding the 2016 UEFA Super Cup to his honours, despite him not being in the squad. So, should we talk it all over again or does the consensus stand? Kante4 ( talk) 14:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
i said my cm here: User talk:Miha2020#Kroos and in summary of my edits in Toni Kroos history. real madrid site says 5!-- Miha2020 ( talk) 14:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Would this move be the sort of move which potentially should have been discussed first - while I was looking at the titles of the references alone they are half Marlon, half Marlon Santos. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 18:03, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, RL got in the way. Even if it only displayed results with those specific strings, there's no reason why they should all apply to Marlon Santos. The Marlon Ramirez result is quite legitimate: it contains "Birmingham Legion" (FC Tulsa's previous opponent) and "Marlon" (an FC Tulsa player) and doesn't contain "Santos". And the last one I linked might have contained "Marlon" in one of the sidebars or dropdowns in the version Google found which had gone by the time it reached me? I can't think of a way to construct a search to pick up only results about Marlon Santos without the surname. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:59, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I was thinking that it might be good to standardise the colour used in tables for fourth place. Currently, both a pale yellow and a blue are used across different pages but I’ve recently seen something of a push towards the blue. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to do here? Vesuvio14 ( talk) 13:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Any suggestion on which colour to use though? Vesuvio14 ( talk) 16:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I’d have to agree about removing any colour and removing it from honours; as you have said, fourth place isn’t usually given an award. However, as per Elisson’s comment, if there is a particular award then I see no problem with keeping it in those cases. Vesuvio14 ( talk) 20:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
transparent
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Redrose64 🌹 (
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22:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm going to suggest that this is sufficient consensus for the removal of colour for 4th place unless being used in such a competition where a team/players receive a fourth place award. Unless there are any objections, I will addd this to WP:WPFCONSENSUS soon. Vesuvio14 ( talk) 15:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Should it be when the contract is deposited or when the buying club officialises the deal? Dr Salvus 17:33, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
The interest of those with particular interests in WWI history and the North East of England is drawn to the talk page of this article. The player - full name John Robert Williamson - who appeared inter alia for Aston Villa and Sunderland and was native of County Durham (Gateshead) - disappears from history at the end of the 1914-15 season but I believe I may have discovered a candidate for his identity - an identically named soldier who died of wounds in England in November 1915 and is buried at Silkworth churchyard, now in the suburbs of Sunderland. I have suggested lines of enquiry for those seeking confirmation in published sources as to whether or not they are the same man. Cloptonson ( talk) 12:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi - how should I indicate an abandoned match in a page that uses
Module:Sports results? The match is
Chippenham Town v. Chelmsford City and the page is
2022–23 National League#Results table 3 - should I use |match_CHI_CHE=A-A
- or should it be left blank? --
Redrose64 🌹 (
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19:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
With the notability changes, there are / will be a lot of footballer bios going to AfD. Should there be an effort to copy the information to Wikidata, or do we consider WD just another external site that is somebody else's problem? Example: AfD Aug 12 Yusuf Osman Abdulahi, WD diff. (Disclaimer: I'm not into footy and don't have the time or inclination to do all this by myself.) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 22:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
What are people's thoughts about diving specific club sub sections up into individual seasons, like at Gavin Massey? Personally I think it's excessive and it puts pressure on articles to be made excessively detailed as time goes by. For example, Massey played a total of nine games for Watford, but the Watford subsection has 7 subsections of its own. I felt it necessary to break the Wigan Athletic subsection into individual seasons so the article remains consistent, but his time there was fairly mundane considering he played 166 games. It doesn't seem right having the Wigan subsection as one whole whilst Watford and Colchester are broken down into individual seasons and loan spells. What is the best approach? Echetus Xe 14:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Alex Scott (footballer, born 1984) to be moved to Alex Scott (female footballer). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. — RMCD bot 01:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
I have reason to believe that two footballers may be conflated in this article. The Bristol Rovers footballer who was killed in 1917 is identified with William Howell Powell Westwood, born in Langley Green, Worcestershire particularly by the PFA in its Football and the First World War website. The identification is also supported in the Doncaster 1914-18 site. The player named by the article (John William Westwood) and the player killed in WWI had not only different stated given names but also different birthplaces. See talk page of article for my more detailed comments. Cloptonson ( talk) 17:30, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
What kinds of clubs would season-to-season sections be good for? I have taken a little look at some lower table la liga clubs and it seems to be pretty standard. Should we add more, delete the existing ones or decide individually on each article by consensus? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:12, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
For example, here. Some of them are called season to season or something like that and some of them are just called “seasons”. (Sorry I can’t reply to your message directly, my phone isn’t letting me). Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Ok. So make them for spain or what? (Again, why did I think doing this on my phone was a good idea?) Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:53, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Looking deeper into it, it appears that nearly all Spanish clubs actually do have those pages (bottom of this page and have simply not bothered to take them off of the articles. Do we remove them? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 16:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
@Crowsus So if the information is just there in the season page, couldn’t you literally just copy and paste that section onto its own article? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 20:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
I moved the kits from a gallery on the main page to Wiki:Commons, as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams but my edits are continually reverted by @ Chuckdisi who is not engaging in conversation (either through edit notes or the Talk page) to resolve the issue. Could somebody else provide some input as I've strayed beyond 3RR. Many thanks Felixsv7 ( talk) 08:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
if you are interested in presenting a picture, please provide an encyclopedic context, or consider adding it to Wikimedia Commons. For example, A.C. Monza provides sourced prose describing each of the kits shown. Nehme 1499 12:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
I've been bold and have mass removed unsourced content and unnecessary tables. Nehme 1499 12:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
Cloptonson ( talk) 10:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 07:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
I just happened to stumble across the WikiProject Football Booklist, which I hadn't known existed before. Seems to be useful. If someone has other football-related books to add to the list it would be nice :) Nehme 1499 14:57, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Last time at AfD it was kept under technicality, should it be deleted now? Doesn't really pass GNG, WP:SPORTCRIT. Govvy ( talk) 13:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
In a football stadium, what are the four sides called? The two "short" seating spaces are called "curva" in Italian, while the two "long" sides "tribuna". Is there a distinction between the stands for the press and the one on the opposite side? Image for reference. Nehme 1499 00:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for their answers. I asked this query in order to better describe the stadium section at A.C. Monza. I just opted to call them "stand" (lowercase s) when talking generically, and "West (or whatever) Stand" (capital S) when talking about a specific stand. Nehme 1499 14:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Monza re-opened the east stand (Tribuna Est) [...]over translating the stands and artificially treating the translations as proper names when they (very likely) aren't. – Elisson • T • C • 17:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
93.34.89.249 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) keeps adding a "Defunct competitions" header to the Italy national football team article ( dif), referring to a "standard". AFAIK, it is not standard to have this header. Am I mistaken? Nehme 1499 09:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
I’ve checked numerous articles and can’t find examples of this anywhere. I definitely don’t think there should be such a section. Vesuvio14 ( talk) 14:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering about creating article in terms of late bloomering in football. We would describe there football players who started proffesional career lately like Enric Gallego, Junior Messias, Elmo Kambindu or world class players who made explosion after 30 like Roger Milla and Luca Toni, and other interesing cases like of course Jamie Vardy? What do you think? There is an article but not speciffially focussed on football: Late bloomer. 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC) Dawid2009 ( talk) 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
See this (and pinging S.A. Julio). Since {{fb|IRN}} and {{fb|KOR}} respectively display Iran (not IR Iran) and South Korea (not Korea Republic), I don't see why China is the only nation to display its FIFA name ( China) rather than the common name ( China). The article is also located at China national football team, rather than at China PR national football team. Nehme 1499 19:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Also pinging Pppery, who had initially removed "China PR" as an alias. Nehme 1499 00:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Apologies if this is not the correct place to discuss this, but surely the article for Doncaster Rovers home ground needs renaming as the sponsorship naming with Keepmoat has expired and the ground now has a new sponsor name. RM-Taylor ( talk) 00:44, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello - I believe that pre-season stats should be reported in club season articles. I don't mean in the info box but just in a table under 'Statistics' under 'Goalscorers', 'Friendlies'. In my opinion these statistics belong to a club season and this can be stated very well. On this way it is not specifically included in player stats, but only in club seasons. - I'd love to hear what you guys think about this. Thanks in advance. SapCal9719 ( talk) 17:44, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Don’t see how pre-season matches hold much weight, considering Man United beat Liverpool 4-0 in one of them recently. It’s a disagree for me. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 21:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
So one of the worst-kept secrets in the women's game over the last few years has been the romantic relationship between Tobin Heath and Christen Press. They never confirmed the relationship, though they'd occasionally drop social media posts that hint at a romantic relationship, and neither has publicly come out. This summer, they appeared as a couple publicly for the first time, holding hands at the ESPY Awards. At that event, Press answered questions from ET Online, where she was asked about her relationship with Heath and mostly tried to dodge the interviewer's attempts to get her to confirm their relationship status, but she does concede at one point that the two are a "power couple" like Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe.
Some editors see that as a confirmation of their relationship (see [18] and [19]). I watched the same interview and thought Press was trying to avoid declaring themselves a romantic pair. In any case, I think we need a source other than etonline to verify, but as far as I can tell, no WP:RS has reported the "power couple" statement.
What's the correct approach here? I know this is a gossip column, but it sticks mostly to reported facts and the conclusion is that they're not "officially" a couple, even though they obviously are. Or is the "power couple" statement enough to be a "confirmation" (without any other source, I think it runs afoul of WP:SYNTH). Adeletron 3030 ( talk • edits) 12:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Lnhbm has been changing some FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament navigational boxes to include newspaper team of the seasons, in addition to FIFA's official team (see dif at Template:1990 FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament for example). Is this necessary? Nehme 1499 12:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I realise this doesn't matter to many people (particularly on a Saturday evening) but anyway. My understanding was that football clubs should have a non-diffusing 'headline category' basically matching their short description, i.e Football clubs in Xland [their football nation] unaffected by all others, in the same way a player will be, for instance, a generic French footballer over and above being a France international footballer, a Ligue 1 player, a Footballer from Paris, a French expatriate footballer and/or a PSG player as applicable. The lists of most nations ( here) do follow this pattern but there are several which don't; significantly Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Greece, Mexico, Rep of Ireland, Romania, Spain (which I was starting to 'fix' when I thought it was a one-off, then doubted myself and came here), South Korea, Sweden, Ukraine and USA. Not sure if there is a firm guideline at a football club template or just a site-wide convention that has been interpreted in different ways, but either way there really should be consistency across the sport. If it doesn't need to be used, there is really no need for there to be 974 articles in Football clubs in Germany when there is also a complete set of Football clubs in Germany by state where they are already also listed. Or if the rule does need to be used, might be good to have someone who knows how to create bots to do one to add the category for the exceptional countries above, as the total for a few of these will run well into the hundreds. Crowsus ( talk) 21:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)