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Since Final Fantasy Adventure is officially under the WPFF umbrella, anyone who wants to help out at the article's Peer Review can do so here. Thanks. ~ Hibana 04:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to have some more discussion about the current state of this page (see Talk:Final Fantasy character classes#Too many slashes.). We need to come up with cleaner headings for each class, since right now the format for too many of them is "Something/something/yet another thing" and it looks very sloppy. Some help to reach a consensus on what exactly to call each heading would be great. Thanks everyone! - RaCha'ar 16:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyways, regardless, the 'alternate' names should still remain in the class section (for the most part, that's the case right now, anyways), just not in the heading. 74.104.1.49 13:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I thought I'd update to let you all know that I've finished fixing up the Development, Audio and Reception sections. The Compilation section still needs to be turned into prose, and the Gameplay and Plot sections still need a lot of work, but all the research stuff is finished now. Hopefully I can finish tomorrow. Ryu Kaze 03:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm finished. The entire article has been revised. Check it out. Just short of 100kb too (98 at last count). It's a little long, but it has a lot to cover. Now, I need some expert copyeditors to get in there and check the wording. Hmm. *looks around the room* Ryu Kaze 04:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
FFVII is up for FAC!! -- PresN 18:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I've begun working on Final Fantasy V but fear I can't go it alone the entire way. The Plot section needs extensive work, and, as Deckiller pointed out, the character section may need to be combined with it. A Setting subsection may not be necessary either. The problem is, as I've told some of you, I'm not good at prose. If anyone can help out with the story, it would be greatly appreciated. This is the RPGe translation of the game's script, but it might be more useful to use the Anthology version if you can find it. The names of characters and places must be consistent with the List of Final Fantasy V characters and List of Final Fantasy V locations. As of now, that means using Square's Anthology version of the translation, at least until the GBA version is released in November. Please contact me or leave a message on the game's talk page. Thanks. ~ Hibana 03:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
While Ryu is doing Final Fantasy VII, Deck is doing Final Fantasy IX, and Hibana is doing Final Fantasy V, I have the difficult task of doing Final Fantasy IV. Right now, I'm in the midst of rewriting the plot. The next step will be for me to check the licenses on the images and update them as needed. Afterwards, I will have to add references. I may need some help in the near future. It seems that we're all going our separate ways now, but perhaps when we're all finished we can review each others' articles. Sir Crazyswordsman 22:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I have begun rewriting the story. During the transition, you may see gaps in the story. Sir Crazyswordsman 16:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to see if they can be featured on their release dates. Sir Crazyswordsman 23:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a notice, List of Final Fantasy characters is up for AfD. -- PresN 16:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, guys. I figured I should make you all aware of the more intensive analysis of what is and isn't fair-use that's been going on lately. It's starting to get quite strict, especially in FAC, as you can see in Final Fantasy VII's FAC. To nip this thing in the bud before it becomes a problem, we need to take the initiative to go through our articles and ensure that they're meeting fair-use criteria. I've just finished going through Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy X-2, Chrono Trigger and Shadow of the Colossus — and I had to resize almost every image on those pages. I still need to check out Spira (Final Fantasy X) and List of locations in Spira (I'm protective of these pages and those FAs/FACs I mentioned), but I'm expecting to find that I'll need to resize most of those as well.
I don't want to see us losing some really good images that we might not be able to replace to fair-use deletion, or even seeing some of our hard work that's gone into achieving FA status undone because of this sort of thing. So, please, go through articles that you regularly take care of and make sure we're good on fair-use criteria. It sucks to make our awesome images smaller, but if you want a larger copy for personal enjoyment, save it and then go ahead and resize the image here on Wikipedia. We don't want to lose out on FA status over fair-use of all things. Ryu Kaze 02:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that no one has put this up here yet. FFXI's been up for peer review for a few days now. It really needs a lot of work. I know a lot of you are spread thin over a lot of other articles, and there seems to be a few good people working on it (including myself! Finally a game I've played recently and remember enough about to work on!). However, that said, if you get a chance, please check it out. - RaCha'ar 16:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
This is probably a bit off-topic, but you seemed to be the best recourse on how to write SE-related articles. I wish to try my hand at Drakengard (in German), I have found many reviews and information (btw, someone with more knowledge of Japanese than me would be nice, I have a few small things I'd like to know from the sparce further material I have for the game). All these reviews give a general and well-rounded view of the game (great story and cinematic, lousy in-game graphic and gameplay), but they all are written under the same misconception. All of them (except one from IGN, I think) treat the game as if it was created by Square Enix, when Cavia created it and Square Enix only published it (as far as I see, Cavia created it upon request by SE). I don't really know how to deal with that, should I mention this misconception or should I only refer to Cavia as the developer and ignore it at every other turn? Some suggestion would be appreciated. Thank you. -- Anibas 11:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
What the... Some joker is going aound and changing every mention of mythology into "cosmology" or metaphysics. I posted several notes saying "NO we aren't talking about stars, this is Myth". The guy seems to think that because there is no one who takes FFX as a religion (although some of us do come close ;-) ) that is not myth. Yet there is Artificial Myth just like FFX all over in literature, movies, games, .... Time to put one of those edit notes on all the pages ? Renmiri 06:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
i looked for this wikiproject because i just remembered looking through various FFVII articles last year... and alot of them were really horrible. i know i'm not helping much by critisizing them and not simply editing them, but still, i just thought i might bring it to someones attention...
anyways, certain problems i saw were: extremely overlong articles- many character articles were saturated with practically the entire story of the game, and looking through the whole group of articles about the game, it becomes immediately obvious that there is a crapload of material that is unnececary and sometimes repeated throughout all the articles
bad writing (stylistic problems, imformal phrasing, unencyclopedic, bad grammar)
overreliance on paraphrases of characters' speech as indication of their feelings or fact (this is just a pet peeve of mine, but it's too much storytelling and not enough telling)
too much emphasis on fan speculations and reactions, especially when phrased as "Many felt.." "Many think..." "Fans felt..." "Fans think..."
and although analysis of aspects of the game using knowledge of psychology and mythology is interesting and relevant, unless it is atrributed to a published source (or blog or other internet thing), then it cannnot be in wikipedia because it would be unverifiable, new research. (at least considered that under wikipedia standars).
Blueaster 01:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Never thought I'd see it happen. Not sure how it did, really. But it did. So there you go. Final Fantasy VII's article is now a featured article. I'd like to thank Deckiller, Hibana and everybody else here on the FF WikiProject — or the Computer and video games WikiProject in general — who offered a copyedit, link repair, advice or just moral support. I couldn't have done it without you all for one reason or another, I'm sure. Ryu Kaze 02:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The original one! Has been copyedited and marked up recently showing many citations needed, and I'm afraid someone will mount a challenge to its Good article status. If someone wants to pop over there and help me find a reference or too, that would be great. Thanks! Judgesurreal777 16:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I have to drive back to school and buy stuff for my apartment. But I'll be back on Monday. Hope someone can help me with FFIV while I'm gone. I've actually mostly been working with Magus (Chrono Trigger) with Zeality, and we're trying to get it to GA. But FFIV is my next target, I promise. Sir Crazyswordsman 02:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
That article is way too long, it needs to be shortened. He is a video game character, not a living person. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessOfHearts ( talk • contribs) 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC).
An anon who will not respond to messages on his talk page keeps adding a huge amount of information to the Prince Trion section of this article (
diff). I've reverted him twice before outright rewriting the section so it's not one huge ball of cruft. He's put his version back in this morning; if I revert him again I believe I'll be cutting close to 3RR. Does anyone know what the general policy is with content disputes like this when someone refuses to communicate with other editors? It absolutely cannot stand in its current condition - there is FAR too much information there - but I really don't want a block for violating 3RR. Can anyone help? -
RaCha'ar 14:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC) Never mind. I'll try to deal with this myself and I'll worry about it if it actually does become a 3RR situation. I've hit my third revert and left a note in the body of the article as well as another on the user's talk page. We'll see if I get anywhere. -
RaCha'ar
14:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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This discussion page is an
archived page of a
WikiProject Final Fantasy page, so its contents should be preserved in their current form. Please direct comments to the main discussion page. |
Since Final Fantasy Adventure is officially under the WPFF umbrella, anyone who wants to help out at the article's Peer Review can do so here. Thanks. ~ Hibana 04:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to have some more discussion about the current state of this page (see Talk:Final Fantasy character classes#Too many slashes.). We need to come up with cleaner headings for each class, since right now the format for too many of them is "Something/something/yet another thing" and it looks very sloppy. Some help to reach a consensus on what exactly to call each heading would be great. Thanks everyone! - RaCha'ar 16:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyways, regardless, the 'alternate' names should still remain in the class section (for the most part, that's the case right now, anyways), just not in the heading. 74.104.1.49 13:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I thought I'd update to let you all know that I've finished fixing up the Development, Audio and Reception sections. The Compilation section still needs to be turned into prose, and the Gameplay and Plot sections still need a lot of work, but all the research stuff is finished now. Hopefully I can finish tomorrow. Ryu Kaze 03:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm finished. The entire article has been revised. Check it out. Just short of 100kb too (98 at last count). It's a little long, but it has a lot to cover. Now, I need some expert copyeditors to get in there and check the wording. Hmm. *looks around the room* Ryu Kaze 04:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
FFVII is up for FAC!! -- PresN 18:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I've begun working on Final Fantasy V but fear I can't go it alone the entire way. The Plot section needs extensive work, and, as Deckiller pointed out, the character section may need to be combined with it. A Setting subsection may not be necessary either. The problem is, as I've told some of you, I'm not good at prose. If anyone can help out with the story, it would be greatly appreciated. This is the RPGe translation of the game's script, but it might be more useful to use the Anthology version if you can find it. The names of characters and places must be consistent with the List of Final Fantasy V characters and List of Final Fantasy V locations. As of now, that means using Square's Anthology version of the translation, at least until the GBA version is released in November. Please contact me or leave a message on the game's talk page. Thanks. ~ Hibana 03:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
While Ryu is doing Final Fantasy VII, Deck is doing Final Fantasy IX, and Hibana is doing Final Fantasy V, I have the difficult task of doing Final Fantasy IV. Right now, I'm in the midst of rewriting the plot. The next step will be for me to check the licenses on the images and update them as needed. Afterwards, I will have to add references. I may need some help in the near future. It seems that we're all going our separate ways now, but perhaps when we're all finished we can review each others' articles. Sir Crazyswordsman 22:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I have begun rewriting the story. During the transition, you may see gaps in the story. Sir Crazyswordsman 16:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to see if they can be featured on their release dates. Sir Crazyswordsman 23:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a notice, List of Final Fantasy characters is up for AfD. -- PresN 16:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, guys. I figured I should make you all aware of the more intensive analysis of what is and isn't fair-use that's been going on lately. It's starting to get quite strict, especially in FAC, as you can see in Final Fantasy VII's FAC. To nip this thing in the bud before it becomes a problem, we need to take the initiative to go through our articles and ensure that they're meeting fair-use criteria. I've just finished going through Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy X-2, Chrono Trigger and Shadow of the Colossus — and I had to resize almost every image on those pages. I still need to check out Spira (Final Fantasy X) and List of locations in Spira (I'm protective of these pages and those FAs/FACs I mentioned), but I'm expecting to find that I'll need to resize most of those as well.
I don't want to see us losing some really good images that we might not be able to replace to fair-use deletion, or even seeing some of our hard work that's gone into achieving FA status undone because of this sort of thing. So, please, go through articles that you regularly take care of and make sure we're good on fair-use criteria. It sucks to make our awesome images smaller, but if you want a larger copy for personal enjoyment, save it and then go ahead and resize the image here on Wikipedia. We don't want to lose out on FA status over fair-use of all things. Ryu Kaze 02:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that no one has put this up here yet. FFXI's been up for peer review for a few days now. It really needs a lot of work. I know a lot of you are spread thin over a lot of other articles, and there seems to be a few good people working on it (including myself! Finally a game I've played recently and remember enough about to work on!). However, that said, if you get a chance, please check it out. - RaCha'ar 16:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
This is probably a bit off-topic, but you seemed to be the best recourse on how to write SE-related articles. I wish to try my hand at Drakengard (in German), I have found many reviews and information (btw, someone with more knowledge of Japanese than me would be nice, I have a few small things I'd like to know from the sparce further material I have for the game). All these reviews give a general and well-rounded view of the game (great story and cinematic, lousy in-game graphic and gameplay), but they all are written under the same misconception. All of them (except one from IGN, I think) treat the game as if it was created by Square Enix, when Cavia created it and Square Enix only published it (as far as I see, Cavia created it upon request by SE). I don't really know how to deal with that, should I mention this misconception or should I only refer to Cavia as the developer and ignore it at every other turn? Some suggestion would be appreciated. Thank you. -- Anibas 11:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
What the... Some joker is going aound and changing every mention of mythology into "cosmology" or metaphysics. I posted several notes saying "NO we aren't talking about stars, this is Myth". The guy seems to think that because there is no one who takes FFX as a religion (although some of us do come close ;-) ) that is not myth. Yet there is Artificial Myth just like FFX all over in literature, movies, games, .... Time to put one of those edit notes on all the pages ? Renmiri 06:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
i looked for this wikiproject because i just remembered looking through various FFVII articles last year... and alot of them were really horrible. i know i'm not helping much by critisizing them and not simply editing them, but still, i just thought i might bring it to someones attention...
anyways, certain problems i saw were: extremely overlong articles- many character articles were saturated with practically the entire story of the game, and looking through the whole group of articles about the game, it becomes immediately obvious that there is a crapload of material that is unnececary and sometimes repeated throughout all the articles
bad writing (stylistic problems, imformal phrasing, unencyclopedic, bad grammar)
overreliance on paraphrases of characters' speech as indication of their feelings or fact (this is just a pet peeve of mine, but it's too much storytelling and not enough telling)
too much emphasis on fan speculations and reactions, especially when phrased as "Many felt.." "Many think..." "Fans felt..." "Fans think..."
and although analysis of aspects of the game using knowledge of psychology and mythology is interesting and relevant, unless it is atrributed to a published source (or blog or other internet thing), then it cannnot be in wikipedia because it would be unverifiable, new research. (at least considered that under wikipedia standars).
Blueaster 01:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Never thought I'd see it happen. Not sure how it did, really. But it did. So there you go. Final Fantasy VII's article is now a featured article. I'd like to thank Deckiller, Hibana and everybody else here on the FF WikiProject — or the Computer and video games WikiProject in general — who offered a copyedit, link repair, advice or just moral support. I couldn't have done it without you all for one reason or another, I'm sure. Ryu Kaze 02:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The original one! Has been copyedited and marked up recently showing many citations needed, and I'm afraid someone will mount a challenge to its Good article status. If someone wants to pop over there and help me find a reference or too, that would be great. Thanks! Judgesurreal777 16:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I have to drive back to school and buy stuff for my apartment. But I'll be back on Monday. Hope someone can help me with FFIV while I'm gone. I've actually mostly been working with Magus (Chrono Trigger) with Zeality, and we're trying to get it to GA. But FFIV is my next target, I promise. Sir Crazyswordsman 02:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
That article is way too long, it needs to be shortened. He is a video game character, not a living person. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessOfHearts ( talk • contribs) 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC).
An anon who will not respond to messages on his talk page keeps adding a huge amount of information to the Prince Trion section of this article (
diff). I've reverted him twice before outright rewriting the section so it's not one huge ball of cruft. He's put his version back in this morning; if I revert him again I believe I'll be cutting close to 3RR. Does anyone know what the general policy is with content disputes like this when someone refuses to communicate with other editors? It absolutely cannot stand in its current condition - there is FAR too much information there - but I really don't want a block for violating 3RR. Can anyone help? -
RaCha'ar 14:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC) Never mind. I'll try to deal with this myself and I'll worry about it if it actually does become a 3RR situation. I've hit my third revert and left a note in the body of the article as well as another on the user's talk page. We'll see if I get anywhere. -
RaCha'ar
14:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)