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I like the infobox at Michelle Kwan. I propose we adopt its style for all figure skater articles. -- F a ng Aili talk 19:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of the existing template until Pelladon told us about it. I don't completely understand the differences between TheProject's idea, the existing template, and what's on Kwan's page. But I think that Kwan's infobox works because she has had such a long career. Kimmie Meissner's (which uses Template:Infobox Figure skater) works well for what she's done so far. Thinking more on this, I don't think infobox standardization is a big deal. We can use Template:Infobox Figure skater, and if it doesn't fit the needs of the article, something else can be done (echoing what Pelladon said). -- F a ng Aili talk 18:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I've updated the text at Structure. Does this meet with everyone's approval? -- F a ng Aili talk 20:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
One thing that has always confused me is Ladies vs. Ladies' vs. Women's. The ISU seems to call it "Ladies", but this is not in a possessive sense (as in, "Ladies' competition"). How should we treat these cases?
Another point of confusion is Pairs. Is it "pair skating" or "pairs skating"? In a phrase such as, "In the pairs competition, so and so placed...", is pair, pairs, pair's, or even pairs' correct?
Men's and Ice Dancing are more straightforward. It's "men's competition" and "ice dancing competition" ("ice dance" would be acceptable too).
Thoughts? -- F a ng Aili talk 20:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't this "WikiProject Figure skating"? Rfrisbie talk 03:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've asked User:Master of Puppets for an aesthetic overhaul the project page. Hopefully this will result in something that is easier to navigate and better looking. Any suggestions on color, layout, etc. are welcomed. -- F a ng Aili talk 17:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there no article on the figure skates themselves? I'm sure a lot could be said about the history of figure skates, what they're made of, etc. -- F a ng Aili talk 19:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Since I'm back from taking care of a couple of transwiki backlogs, I decided to take a stab at that category of stubs, and lo and behold, the first person -- Aaron Lowe -- on the list comes from the city in which I live. Anyways, so I had a look at that, and then had a look at his partner Megan Wing's article and realized -- they're practically carbon copies of each other. So are their respective histories, in fact.
Now, I'm not an expert on the subject (I joined this WikiProject to learn as I edit), so I have no clue whether skaters in pairs and ice dance change partners very often -- I suspect not much -- but I can tell that neither of these two in particular have not done anything notable apart from the other. Would it make sense to merge these two articles (and, I suppose, many others like it, if that applies) and fork only if one of them does something very notable apart from the other? TheProject 06:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
If you wouldn't mind, could you wait (perhaps a week) before merging pairs into one article? I am hoping to attract more members, and would like to get more comments before going forward with something this complex. -- F a ng Aili talk 19:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't merge pairs because partnerships don't last and would require endless updates. Don't generalize skaters because many have competed in singles as well. Pelladon 15:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Back to the left, continuing discussion I just don't think we should combine pairs. Skaters change partners all the time. Pair skaters become single skaters. One skater gets involved in something the other's not. Etc etc. I don't see any reason to change the way things are done now and complicate it unnecessarily. I understand your point about notability, but doing what you propose would involve merging some hundreds of articles, plus maintaining those articles and trying to keep a look-out for anything notable they might do as individuals. It's just not feasible. What we have now is fine. -- F a ng Aili talk 20:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I went through Category:Figure skaters at the 2002 Winter Olympics, added {{ WikiProject Figure Skating}} to everyone, and added some to the to do list, as needed. -- F a ng Aili talk 18:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
After a long battle with ParserFunctions -- and I mean, "battle" -- I've built up an infobox at my workbench. It's based on the one found at Michelle Kwan. For an example of the infobox in action, please see another article on my workbench.
Among the more notable changes, Country : Federation has been changed to just Country, and the infobox now has a place for an image. Currently, name, country, status, club, residence, coach(es) and choreographer(s) are all required fields (all of these except residence are readily available from ISU profiles), although that can be changed. Sections for Olympics and World Championships medals (actually Nationals too, although it's somewhat difficult to be notable enough for Wikipedia without medalling at least at a National Championships) are only displayed if a competitor has medalled in that event. I'll post full usage notes on the infobox's talk page in the morning. Comments, please... TheProject 07:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Over the course of my working on the project I'm going to have a whole load of style questions, so I might as well ask.
It seems to me that "Figure skating at the Olympic Games" is the proper title, but I like the style at "Figure skating at the Olympics" better. I can't do a copy-and-paste replace, I think, so would it be appropriate to ask an admin *cough*Erica*cough* to perform a delete-and-move? Any comments on the style of the two pages? (Oh, and the latter has one row of "special figures". Should that be included?) TheProject 20:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Feedback is welcome. -- F a ng Aili talk 21:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I ran into a fair use picture at Shizuka Arakawa, so I've started a section to find free alternatives of fair use pictures, as free alternatives are almost always preferred. TheProject 05:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I've added us to the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team page. This is their boilerplate text:
Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the " key articles" from your project that should be included in offline releases of Wikipedia based on their importance, regardless of quality. So far we have a list of 5 articles, but are there any important topics not listed that we should know about? We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 1.0 (not yet open) and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Hobbies WikiProject article table for articles of high quality (B or higher). If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks!
So what articles would we like to see on WP 1.0? I'm thinking figure skating and Michelle Kwan, for starters. -- Fang Aili talk 16:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I just prod'ed Monica Malek-Yonan as an unsourced Olympian figure skater. I'd also like to verify claims that her sister, Rosie Malek-Yonan, is also an Olympian. -- Fang Aili talk 15:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think I've gotten much complaint over the career boxes I've put onto some recent skaters (e.g. Aaron Lowe, Yelena Berezhnaya), so I'd like to standardize it for those articles which aren't looking all that great, ordered by year and including Olympics, 4CC, European Championships, and Worlds. Am I missing anything? Thanks. theProject 05:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I created Herma Szabo to fill out the last redlinked ladies' Olympic champion. She came from a family of figure skaters, the details of which I'm still trying to figure out. Basically I need to confirm her parentage, and whether the Christa von Szabó listed at World Figure Skating Championships is her mother. I've left messages at several German-speaking user's talk pages. My German skills are poor, but from what I've read I cannot figure out if Christine married someone with a surname of Szabo, and/or Karl Schäfer. If anyone has insight into this or a reference to an English-language link, please let me know. (Also, the various Engelmann family articles could use some copyediting.) Thanks. -- Fang Aili talk 18:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
We got our first DYK! It's Nikolai Panin. Woo hoo!!! -- Fang Aili talk 13:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I've created WikiProject Figure Skating/List of articles to help organize our efforts. Please feel free to add to it. -- Fang Aili talk 20:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I created a project timeline to keep track of our accomplishments. Feel free to add to it, of course. -- Fang Aili talk 20:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a point currently under discussion here. The gist of it is: User:Dr.frog thinks we should use the term "ladies" to refer to "women" in pair skating and ice dancing articles. I disagree with him. Any opinions on the matter would be greatly appreciated. -- Fang Aili talk 13:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I've started to add medal tables here. I've gotten the past 10 years of medalists added, and I left blanks for the rest. If anyone has time before I get to it, you can find the entire list of medalists listed in a pdf here [3]. Thanks and merci! Vesperholly 18:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added {{ persondata}} (see also: Wikipedia:Persondata) to all men's singles Olympic champions. -- Fang Aili talk 15:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I've requested translations from the German for several articles here. -- Fang Aili talk 20:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
WP:FS now redirects to the project page. -- Fang Aili talk 22:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
On the To do list, there are 3 articles under Needs medal table. Each of these does have medal listings in the top right of the articles. What exactly need to be done, or can the be removed from the to do list? -- Gary van der Merwe 07:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Jamie Sale's article has been listed for cleanup on the To Do list for a while now. I expanded her and Pelletier's bios and did some retroactive cleanup to my own favoritism :) but is it enough? Could someone take a look at it and see if it warrants any further cleanup? Or is that entry just out of date? Thanks much. Vesperholly 09:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I have, with the help of Titoxd, added a rating ability to {{ WikiProject Figure Skating}}. Most of the articles are going to be stub class. The instructions to add a rating are here. Basically you just add "|class=XXXX" after the project's tag on each article's talk page. I hope to also add an "importance" feature, and the ability to leave comments. (I've written Titoxd about that and he will probably do that for us as well--what a nice guy.) Our article stats will be updated each day by a bot, and can be viewed at Assessment, and associated pages ( Index · Statistics · Log). -- Fang Aili talk 18:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I've been rating a few articles. I've added quality according to the {{ Grading scheme}}, and importance according to.. well just what I thought the importance was. I figure if a skater has competed on an international level, the importance should at least be "Mid". Skaters who have only competed at the national level should get "Low", unless they are otherwise notable. "High" importance skaters are those who have had particularly successful careers, and "Top" for the most famous skaters. Further discussion on this is most welcome. -- Fang Aili talk 13:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new at this, so I'm not sure of the protocol. Is there any way to split Alissa Czisny off from her sister? Alissa Czisny is a notable skater who placed at Skate America and won Skate Canada. Amber Czisny's career is basically over. Kolindigo 02:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Would it be worth it to have a terminology page like Tennis terminology, a place for things like popping jumps, flutzing, lipping, getting chacked, traveling spins, the kiss and cry, etc. Kolindigo 19:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
Figure Skating NA‑class | |||||||
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I like the infobox at Michelle Kwan. I propose we adopt its style for all figure skater articles. -- F a ng Aili talk 19:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of the existing template until Pelladon told us about it. I don't completely understand the differences between TheProject's idea, the existing template, and what's on Kwan's page. But I think that Kwan's infobox works because she has had such a long career. Kimmie Meissner's (which uses Template:Infobox Figure skater) works well for what she's done so far. Thinking more on this, I don't think infobox standardization is a big deal. We can use Template:Infobox Figure skater, and if it doesn't fit the needs of the article, something else can be done (echoing what Pelladon said). -- F a ng Aili talk 18:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I've updated the text at Structure. Does this meet with everyone's approval? -- F a ng Aili talk 20:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
One thing that has always confused me is Ladies vs. Ladies' vs. Women's. The ISU seems to call it "Ladies", but this is not in a possessive sense (as in, "Ladies' competition"). How should we treat these cases?
Another point of confusion is Pairs. Is it "pair skating" or "pairs skating"? In a phrase such as, "In the pairs competition, so and so placed...", is pair, pairs, pair's, or even pairs' correct?
Men's and Ice Dancing are more straightforward. It's "men's competition" and "ice dancing competition" ("ice dance" would be acceptable too).
Thoughts? -- F a ng Aili talk 20:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't this "WikiProject Figure skating"? Rfrisbie talk 03:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've asked User:Master of Puppets for an aesthetic overhaul the project page. Hopefully this will result in something that is easier to navigate and better looking. Any suggestions on color, layout, etc. are welcomed. -- F a ng Aili talk 17:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there no article on the figure skates themselves? I'm sure a lot could be said about the history of figure skates, what they're made of, etc. -- F a ng Aili talk 19:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Since I'm back from taking care of a couple of transwiki backlogs, I decided to take a stab at that category of stubs, and lo and behold, the first person -- Aaron Lowe -- on the list comes from the city in which I live. Anyways, so I had a look at that, and then had a look at his partner Megan Wing's article and realized -- they're practically carbon copies of each other. So are their respective histories, in fact.
Now, I'm not an expert on the subject (I joined this WikiProject to learn as I edit), so I have no clue whether skaters in pairs and ice dance change partners very often -- I suspect not much -- but I can tell that neither of these two in particular have not done anything notable apart from the other. Would it make sense to merge these two articles (and, I suppose, many others like it, if that applies) and fork only if one of them does something very notable apart from the other? TheProject 06:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
If you wouldn't mind, could you wait (perhaps a week) before merging pairs into one article? I am hoping to attract more members, and would like to get more comments before going forward with something this complex. -- F a ng Aili talk 19:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't merge pairs because partnerships don't last and would require endless updates. Don't generalize skaters because many have competed in singles as well. Pelladon 15:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Back to the left, continuing discussion I just don't think we should combine pairs. Skaters change partners all the time. Pair skaters become single skaters. One skater gets involved in something the other's not. Etc etc. I don't see any reason to change the way things are done now and complicate it unnecessarily. I understand your point about notability, but doing what you propose would involve merging some hundreds of articles, plus maintaining those articles and trying to keep a look-out for anything notable they might do as individuals. It's just not feasible. What we have now is fine. -- F a ng Aili talk 20:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I went through Category:Figure skaters at the 2002 Winter Olympics, added {{ WikiProject Figure Skating}} to everyone, and added some to the to do list, as needed. -- F a ng Aili talk 18:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
After a long battle with ParserFunctions -- and I mean, "battle" -- I've built up an infobox at my workbench. It's based on the one found at Michelle Kwan. For an example of the infobox in action, please see another article on my workbench.
Among the more notable changes, Country : Federation has been changed to just Country, and the infobox now has a place for an image. Currently, name, country, status, club, residence, coach(es) and choreographer(s) are all required fields (all of these except residence are readily available from ISU profiles), although that can be changed. Sections for Olympics and World Championships medals (actually Nationals too, although it's somewhat difficult to be notable enough for Wikipedia without medalling at least at a National Championships) are only displayed if a competitor has medalled in that event. I'll post full usage notes on the infobox's talk page in the morning. Comments, please... TheProject 07:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Over the course of my working on the project I'm going to have a whole load of style questions, so I might as well ask.
It seems to me that "Figure skating at the Olympic Games" is the proper title, but I like the style at "Figure skating at the Olympics" better. I can't do a copy-and-paste replace, I think, so would it be appropriate to ask an admin *cough*Erica*cough* to perform a delete-and-move? Any comments on the style of the two pages? (Oh, and the latter has one row of "special figures". Should that be included?) TheProject 20:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Feedback is welcome. -- F a ng Aili talk 21:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I ran into a fair use picture at Shizuka Arakawa, so I've started a section to find free alternatives of fair use pictures, as free alternatives are almost always preferred. TheProject 05:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I've added us to the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team page. This is their boilerplate text:
Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the " key articles" from your project that should be included in offline releases of Wikipedia based on their importance, regardless of quality. So far we have a list of 5 articles, but are there any important topics not listed that we should know about? We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 1.0 (not yet open) and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Hobbies WikiProject article table for articles of high quality (B or higher). If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks!
So what articles would we like to see on WP 1.0? I'm thinking figure skating and Michelle Kwan, for starters. -- Fang Aili talk 16:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I just prod'ed Monica Malek-Yonan as an unsourced Olympian figure skater. I'd also like to verify claims that her sister, Rosie Malek-Yonan, is also an Olympian. -- Fang Aili talk 15:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think I've gotten much complaint over the career boxes I've put onto some recent skaters (e.g. Aaron Lowe, Yelena Berezhnaya), so I'd like to standardize it for those articles which aren't looking all that great, ordered by year and including Olympics, 4CC, European Championships, and Worlds. Am I missing anything? Thanks. theProject 05:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I created Herma Szabo to fill out the last redlinked ladies' Olympic champion. She came from a family of figure skaters, the details of which I'm still trying to figure out. Basically I need to confirm her parentage, and whether the Christa von Szabó listed at World Figure Skating Championships is her mother. I've left messages at several German-speaking user's talk pages. My German skills are poor, but from what I've read I cannot figure out if Christine married someone with a surname of Szabo, and/or Karl Schäfer. If anyone has insight into this or a reference to an English-language link, please let me know. (Also, the various Engelmann family articles could use some copyediting.) Thanks. -- Fang Aili talk 18:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
We got our first DYK! It's Nikolai Panin. Woo hoo!!! -- Fang Aili talk 13:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I've created WikiProject Figure Skating/List of articles to help organize our efforts. Please feel free to add to it. -- Fang Aili talk 20:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I created a project timeline to keep track of our accomplishments. Feel free to add to it, of course. -- Fang Aili talk 20:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a point currently under discussion here. The gist of it is: User:Dr.frog thinks we should use the term "ladies" to refer to "women" in pair skating and ice dancing articles. I disagree with him. Any opinions on the matter would be greatly appreciated. -- Fang Aili talk 13:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I've started to add medal tables here. I've gotten the past 10 years of medalists added, and I left blanks for the rest. If anyone has time before I get to it, you can find the entire list of medalists listed in a pdf here [3]. Thanks and merci! Vesperholly 18:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added {{ persondata}} (see also: Wikipedia:Persondata) to all men's singles Olympic champions. -- Fang Aili talk 15:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I've requested translations from the German for several articles here. -- Fang Aili talk 20:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
WP:FS now redirects to the project page. -- Fang Aili talk 22:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
On the To do list, there are 3 articles under Needs medal table. Each of these does have medal listings in the top right of the articles. What exactly need to be done, or can the be removed from the to do list? -- Gary van der Merwe 07:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Jamie Sale's article has been listed for cleanup on the To Do list for a while now. I expanded her and Pelletier's bios and did some retroactive cleanup to my own favoritism :) but is it enough? Could someone take a look at it and see if it warrants any further cleanup? Or is that entry just out of date? Thanks much. Vesperholly 09:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I have, with the help of Titoxd, added a rating ability to {{ WikiProject Figure Skating}}. Most of the articles are going to be stub class. The instructions to add a rating are here. Basically you just add "|class=XXXX" after the project's tag on each article's talk page. I hope to also add an "importance" feature, and the ability to leave comments. (I've written Titoxd about that and he will probably do that for us as well--what a nice guy.) Our article stats will be updated each day by a bot, and can be viewed at Assessment, and associated pages ( Index · Statistics · Log). -- Fang Aili talk 18:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I've been rating a few articles. I've added quality according to the {{ Grading scheme}}, and importance according to.. well just what I thought the importance was. I figure if a skater has competed on an international level, the importance should at least be "Mid". Skaters who have only competed at the national level should get "Low", unless they are otherwise notable. "High" importance skaters are those who have had particularly successful careers, and "Top" for the most famous skaters. Further discussion on this is most welcome. -- Fang Aili talk 13:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new at this, so I'm not sure of the protocol. Is there any way to split Alissa Czisny off from her sister? Alissa Czisny is a notable skater who placed at Skate America and won Skate Canada. Amber Czisny's career is basically over. Kolindigo 02:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Would it be worth it to have a terminology page like Tennis terminology, a place for things like popping jumps, flutzing, lipping, getting chacked, traveling spins, the kiss and cry, etc. Kolindigo 19:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)