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It looks like this project is set up to have collaborations on particular articles but that the idea never got going. I'm going to change from the February 2007 idea of the Crimean War to a more or less randomly determined (make that less, just an article I like) new collaboration and I'll try to change it from time to time until someone starts suggesting something. Problem is articles desperately need tagging and, eventually, assessment so we can easily identify them as needing work.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I think we need to do some more advertising. I've drummed up a first-round advertising banner proposal (for user / talk pages), which you can see here. Feel free to edit it for improvements. - Revolving Bugbear 22:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia ads | file info – show another – #249 |
I've put us on the Community Portal. - Revolving Bugbear 22:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Bugbear: Great idea, though I see what John is talking about, that really looks a lot like a talk page banner; doesn't mean it's not good or anything. I think John, that we need to do what you're talking about too. The total number of tagged articles is disgracefully low. I've used bots for tagging and stubbing in Ag but those are species specific and I'm still getting used to the whole CAT thing. If John can come up with some good CAT parameters, please send out the bots.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Before we seriously talk about tagging articles, we need to know what the explicit scope of this project is. Right now, I'm guessing Category:History of Europe, minus any subcats which fall within the explicit purview of any other "historical" projects, including Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, which doesn't use the "history" word. Does that sound acceptable to the rest of you? John Carter ( talk) 22:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I concur with all said. Polish history needs to be included in any tagging operation, since their tags are now obsolete and we do need to update our banner to include a task force for Poland parameter. Maybe we could even get a bot to set that to "on" for anything in a Polish Category that we are otherwise tagging. Haven't looked yet at the Strategy page to see if anyone is commenting there, but there was a discussion of scope started there.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
In the search for a better main picture, I thought one of Europe at the death of Charlemagne in 814 would be an appropriate image for WikiProject European history. Martintg ( talk) 04:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
PS, I was bold and updated the pic on the project page so you guys can have a look. Martintg ( talk) 04:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice work getting this project started. As a partner project, I would like to recommend WikiProject Former countries. At WPFC we are primarily concerned with improving articles about former states (or former versions of current states) so they can be properly incorporated with other works. We also have a number of partner/child projects that focus on particular European states (eg. Prussia, Naples) - see the sidebar on the WPFC page for a complete list. If you have ideas regarding how our two projects can work together (and avoid duplication or overlap), I would be very interested in discussing the matter. - 52 Pickup (deal) 07:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The following is merged here from our Strategy Page, the talk page to which will now redirect here, on the suggestion that no one will ever find the discussion there. If it doesn't make sense, look at the strategy page, which has a detailed "map" of the various projects and portals and that was the basis for these discussions - much of this will seem pretty disjointed without that. If it still doesn't make sense, maybe I can explain, maybe I need to refactor - it's mostly copied verbatim:
I tend to think some of the questions about the definition of history and historical articles should wait while we organize the project a little more. Some of that deserves to be discussed at the SuperParent Wikipedia:WikiProject History too. Definitely needs to be discussed though, don't get me wrong.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 02:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm leaving the heading on the main sub page as it is important to the the "outline" of our scope but thought best to actually discuss here. I'm not sure, depends on whether there's enough interest in maintaining it in the first place and also, could it better be done by a section on Portal:Europe and a section on Portal:History, if not, it at least needs a link there, maybe still a section with a "for more information" link.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
In regard to "There are a number of extant WikiProjects with large crossovers areas. Some are highly active, and some are defunct. How will we define our relationship to them?", probably a number of ways to slice and dice this. One approach could be to use this WikiProjects as a coordinating project for the other sub-projects: develop common templates, info boxes, article formating; and to fill the breach where a corresponding sub project doesn't exist or are inactive. Perhaps historical events of Europe-wide scope (say spanning 4 or more countries, e.g. Black Death, Protestant Reformation, etc) could fall under this project as well. Martintg ( talk) 02:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The naming convention for monarchs has previously been an exception to Wikipedia's general naming conventions. Efforts are now being made to bring them in line, with a propoasl for the most common name for a monarch to take precedence. (eg. William the Conqueror, Napoleon Bonaparte, Mary, Queen of Scots.) Please consider the proposals at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Proposals to change Monarchal naming conventions so we can get wide consensus on this matter. Thanks. Gwinva ( talk) 01:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Any suggestions? Transylvania was last month, didn't get much attention, but it got a little. We need to keep this going. If there are no suggestions, I will just pick something, which I don't like to do as my interests are a bit narrow. Name several, we'll put them all in line.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 05:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
A few ideas:
Personal favorites might be the Monastic state of the Teutonic Knights or Teutonic Knights, though. John Carter ( talk) 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this? It was proposed as a full fledged project at
Wikipedia:COUNCIL/P#WikiProject_Transylvania but comments there were to make it a task force, as a dual task force of this project and
WP:European history
WikiProject Romania it could bring more interest to both projects. If interested, sign up at the preceding link.--
Doug.(
talk •
contribs) 20:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
In the spirit of WP:BOLD and WP:Don't be a whiny bastard (given the discussion above), I've begun to create the system I asked for above for nominating Collaboration articles.
The page is Wikipedia:WikiProject European history/Collaboration/Nominate
Comments / changes / slapping more than welcome.
Cheers! - Revolving Bugbear 13:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I
Cheers! - Revolving Bugbear 23:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Do we want a way of distributing announcements / developments, like a newsletter or perhaps a more informal wotsit? - Revolving Bugbear 21:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Anyone fancy having a go bashing this into shape? Without work it's AfD'able, but maybe there's something salvageable there for someone with knowledge on the topic. I leave it to your collective better judgement. Knepflerle ( talk) 09:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
some knowledge of German would help. DGG ( talk) 18:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I am considering merging this page Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient European History with the European history pages, please direct all opinions to my talk page, thankyou. Tom.mevlie ( talk) 11:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I have been searching through the various parent and child projects and can't find one related to Ancient Germanic culture. I have been going solo on the related portal for several weeks now, and I believe a taskforce or project could help coordinate things. I'm not sure if there would be any interest, however, or if a similar project already exists (or maybe used to exist). If anyone knows anything, or is interested in working constructively on articles related to Ancient Germanic culture, please let me know. Aryaman (☼) 21:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There is now a proposed task force of this project to deal with the Ancient Germanic peoples at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Ancient Germanic peoples. Anyone interested in potentially working in that group should indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 14:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed a Sub-Roman Britain Taskforce, and would like to invite you guys to check it out. It falls within the scope of this project, so I've set it up as a taskforce for this project. Any comments would be great. -- -G.T.N. ( talk) 15:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
With the risk of turning this talk page into a taskforce-fest: I'm looking into creating a taskforce to improve the quality of articles relating to the Etruscan civilization. Let me you if you'd be interested in joining or you have ideas about which project it would best be organized under. Best wishes/ Pax:Vobiscum ( talk) 00:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Revolutions of 1848. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 15:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
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...... Dendodge .. Talk Help 20:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
An admin moved the summary version of this article to 1345 (summary) from the main 1345 spot. This article is in the scope of this project. Commentary is needed on whether summaries in the main year articles should be encouraged or not. Discussion is here. Wrad ( talk) 00:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
History of Limerick has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 09:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Scandinavia has only two members, only one of whom has been active since January. Propose that that project be merged into this one. Considering the rather limited development of that project, maybe as a separate work group, or maybe, given the number of other groups and projects dealing with the same basic subject, maybe just merged directly. John Carter ( talk) 00:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
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Currently focused on Newstead Abbey and Byron. Can we set this up please, I cannot do it all on my own. Wikisaver62 ( talk) 16:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
This page is an Archive of the discussions from WikiProject European history talk page (Discussion page). (January 2008 - December 2008) - Please Do not edit! |
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It looks like this project is set up to have collaborations on particular articles but that the idea never got going. I'm going to change from the February 2007 idea of the Crimean War to a more or less randomly determined (make that less, just an article I like) new collaboration and I'll try to change it from time to time until someone starts suggesting something. Problem is articles desperately need tagging and, eventually, assessment so we can easily identify them as needing work.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I think we need to do some more advertising. I've drummed up a first-round advertising banner proposal (for user / talk pages), which you can see here. Feel free to edit it for improvements. - Revolving Bugbear 22:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia ads | file info – show another – #249 |
I've put us on the Community Portal. - Revolving Bugbear 22:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Bugbear: Great idea, though I see what John is talking about, that really looks a lot like a talk page banner; doesn't mean it's not good or anything. I think John, that we need to do what you're talking about too. The total number of tagged articles is disgracefully low. I've used bots for tagging and stubbing in Ag but those are species specific and I'm still getting used to the whole CAT thing. If John can come up with some good CAT parameters, please send out the bots.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Before we seriously talk about tagging articles, we need to know what the explicit scope of this project is. Right now, I'm guessing Category:History of Europe, minus any subcats which fall within the explicit purview of any other "historical" projects, including Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, which doesn't use the "history" word. Does that sound acceptable to the rest of you? John Carter ( talk) 22:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I concur with all said. Polish history needs to be included in any tagging operation, since their tags are now obsolete and we do need to update our banner to include a task force for Poland parameter. Maybe we could even get a bot to set that to "on" for anything in a Polish Category that we are otherwise tagging. Haven't looked yet at the Strategy page to see if anyone is commenting there, but there was a discussion of scope started there.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
In the search for a better main picture, I thought one of Europe at the death of Charlemagne in 814 would be an appropriate image for WikiProject European history. Martintg ( talk) 04:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
PS, I was bold and updated the pic on the project page so you guys can have a look. Martintg ( talk) 04:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice work getting this project started. As a partner project, I would like to recommend WikiProject Former countries. At WPFC we are primarily concerned with improving articles about former states (or former versions of current states) so they can be properly incorporated with other works. We also have a number of partner/child projects that focus on particular European states (eg. Prussia, Naples) - see the sidebar on the WPFC page for a complete list. If you have ideas regarding how our two projects can work together (and avoid duplication or overlap), I would be very interested in discussing the matter. - 52 Pickup (deal) 07:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The following is merged here from our Strategy Page, the talk page to which will now redirect here, on the suggestion that no one will ever find the discussion there. If it doesn't make sense, look at the strategy page, which has a detailed "map" of the various projects and portals and that was the basis for these discussions - much of this will seem pretty disjointed without that. If it still doesn't make sense, maybe I can explain, maybe I need to refactor - it's mostly copied verbatim:
I tend to think some of the questions about the definition of history and historical articles should wait while we organize the project a little more. Some of that deserves to be discussed at the SuperParent Wikipedia:WikiProject History too. Definitely needs to be discussed though, don't get me wrong.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 02:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm leaving the heading on the main sub page as it is important to the the "outline" of our scope but thought best to actually discuss here. I'm not sure, depends on whether there's enough interest in maintaining it in the first place and also, could it better be done by a section on Portal:Europe and a section on Portal:History, if not, it at least needs a link there, maybe still a section with a "for more information" link.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
In regard to "There are a number of extant WikiProjects with large crossovers areas. Some are highly active, and some are defunct. How will we define our relationship to them?", probably a number of ways to slice and dice this. One approach could be to use this WikiProjects as a coordinating project for the other sub-projects: develop common templates, info boxes, article formating; and to fill the breach where a corresponding sub project doesn't exist or are inactive. Perhaps historical events of Europe-wide scope (say spanning 4 or more countries, e.g. Black Death, Protestant Reformation, etc) could fall under this project as well. Martintg ( talk) 02:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The naming convention for monarchs has previously been an exception to Wikipedia's general naming conventions. Efforts are now being made to bring them in line, with a propoasl for the most common name for a monarch to take precedence. (eg. William the Conqueror, Napoleon Bonaparte, Mary, Queen of Scots.) Please consider the proposals at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Proposals to change Monarchal naming conventions so we can get wide consensus on this matter. Thanks. Gwinva ( talk) 01:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Any suggestions? Transylvania was last month, didn't get much attention, but it got a little. We need to keep this going. If there are no suggestions, I will just pick something, which I don't like to do as my interests are a bit narrow. Name several, we'll put them all in line.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 05:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
A few ideas:
Personal favorites might be the Monastic state of the Teutonic Knights or Teutonic Knights, though. John Carter ( talk) 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this? It was proposed as a full fledged project at
Wikipedia:COUNCIL/P#WikiProject_Transylvania but comments there were to make it a task force, as a dual task force of this project and
WP:European history
WikiProject Romania it could bring more interest to both projects. If interested, sign up at the preceding link.--
Doug.(
talk •
contribs) 20:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
In the spirit of WP:BOLD and WP:Don't be a whiny bastard (given the discussion above), I've begun to create the system I asked for above for nominating Collaboration articles.
The page is Wikipedia:WikiProject European history/Collaboration/Nominate
Comments / changes / slapping more than welcome.
Cheers! - Revolving Bugbear 13:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I
Cheers! - Revolving Bugbear 23:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Do we want a way of distributing announcements / developments, like a newsletter or perhaps a more informal wotsit? - Revolving Bugbear 21:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Anyone fancy having a go bashing this into shape? Without work it's AfD'able, but maybe there's something salvageable there for someone with knowledge on the topic. I leave it to your collective better judgement. Knepflerle ( talk) 09:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
some knowledge of German would help. DGG ( talk) 18:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I am considering merging this page Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient European History with the European history pages, please direct all opinions to my talk page, thankyou. Tom.mevlie ( talk) 11:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I have been searching through the various parent and child projects and can't find one related to Ancient Germanic culture. I have been going solo on the related portal for several weeks now, and I believe a taskforce or project could help coordinate things. I'm not sure if there would be any interest, however, or if a similar project already exists (or maybe used to exist). If anyone knows anything, or is interested in working constructively on articles related to Ancient Germanic culture, please let me know. Aryaman (☼) 21:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There is now a proposed task force of this project to deal with the Ancient Germanic peoples at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Ancient Germanic peoples. Anyone interested in potentially working in that group should indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 14:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed a Sub-Roman Britain Taskforce, and would like to invite you guys to check it out. It falls within the scope of this project, so I've set it up as a taskforce for this project. Any comments would be great. -- -G.T.N. ( talk) 15:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
With the risk of turning this talk page into a taskforce-fest: I'm looking into creating a taskforce to improve the quality of articles relating to the Etruscan civilization. Let me you if you'd be interested in joining or you have ideas about which project it would best be organized under. Best wishes/ Pax:Vobiscum ( talk) 00:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Revolutions of 1848. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 15:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
An article covered by this WikiProject, 30 Years' War, is currently under the Spotlight. If you wish to help, please join the editors in #wikipedia-spotlight on the freenode IRC network where the project is coordinated. (See the IRC tutorial for help with IRC) |
...... Dendodge .. Talk Help 20:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
An admin moved the summary version of this article to 1345 (summary) from the main 1345 spot. This article is in the scope of this project. Commentary is needed on whether summaries in the main year articles should be encouraged or not. Discussion is here. Wrad ( talk) 00:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
History of Limerick has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 09:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.
Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot ( Disable) 21:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Scandinavia has only two members, only one of whom has been active since January. Propose that that project be merged into this one. Considering the rather limited development of that project, maybe as a separate work group, or maybe, given the number of other groups and projects dealing with the same basic subject, maybe just merged directly. John Carter ( talk) 00:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.
We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.
A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.
We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Currently focused on Newstead Abbey and Byron. Can we set this up please, I cannot do it all on my own. Wikisaver62 ( talk) 16:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)