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I am no D&D expert but from the little I know and from having wasted time in World of warcraft I can safely say there are hordes of influences, starting with the fact that in WoW the good guys come in 2 alignments (Alliance & horde (WoW) <=order & chaos (D&D)) to owlbear (D&D) /owlkin (WoW) and the whole point and multipliers etc typical of role playing games. But on wikipedia there not a mention of the similarities, whereas I would have expected a list page full of stuff like that. I know some stuff in warcraft does not come from D&D (such as the "portals" to cross to different worlds which instead is taken from Feist's Magician book called there "rifts" and "valheru"="dreadlords" in warcraft) and combining to facts to prove a point is against the policies ( wikipedia:SYNT), but a comparison page would be really interesting thing to read. -- Squidonius ( talk) 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
At least one ref exists. [1] To do an article using nothing but reliable sources would be a major undertaking, but probably possible. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 02:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Comment requested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Role-playing games#"Role-playing" or "roleplaying"?; seeing as how this project is more active than that one, I thought I'd ask here too.
Added a possible ref to the talk page that might make a good addition to the article. – Drilnoth ( T • C • L) 16:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The death of John Eric Holmes has been reported, but of course we need a reliable source to confirm that. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 18:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
A story about D&D-flavored Jones Soda: Bizarre soda tells us what Dungeons & Dragons tastes like. The purple Illithid Brain Juice looks like a winner. ;-) RJH ( talk) 14:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Those of you who were paying attention may have noticed earlier this year when I was adding info from Dragon's ProFiles column, which ran in nearly every issue from #243-293. At that time I was concentrating on filling in all the unsourced bios that I could, thanks to the drive to delete all unsourced BLP bios (you'll note that none have been deleted, thank you very much!), and I'm sure I did at least a couple dozen. I basically had three tiers of bios to work with: unsourced, poorly sourced, and pretty well sourced but hey why not add more info. As far as I know, I finished the unsourced bios a while ago, and I just started on the "poorly sourced" with Troy Denning. Soon I will be on to other bios such as Elaine Cunningham, Bill Slavicsek, Wolfgang Baur, Mary Kirchoff, Bruce Cordell, Sean Reynolds, Jonathan Tweet, Skip Williams, and David Noonan. You can be my cheerleaders. ;) 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 03:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The article on Ket was tagged for notability issues a couple of weeks ago. I have re-writte the article to try to establish notability, especially Ket as a main player in the Greyhawk Wars plotline, but I would appreciate any suggestions. A secondary source talking about Ket's role during that time would be super, if anyone knows of one out there. Guinness323 ( talk) 19:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Anyone speak Russian? ;) Their article on the drow is a GA; I wonder if there's anything we can get out of that?
Of course, if they have GA criteria anything like ours, I have to wonder how they passed #3? Looking from the sources they used, it seems focused almost entirely on the Forgotten Realms version of drow, and it doesn't seem to mention Gygax or the drow early history at all. BOZ ( talk) 17:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
The Dagon (Dungeons & Dragons) article has been prod'd due to lack of independent coverage. My suggestion is to use the current sources to cite a summary paragraph on the Dagon in popular culture article.— RJH ( talk) 21:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
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Fred Fields, Quinton Hoover, and Dana Knutson have been nominated for AFD relating to the AFD for List of Magic: The Gathering artists. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Fields, Hoover, and Knutson were all ruled no consensus - hopefully someone will be able to improve them at some point, so that they won't have to go through AFD again.
On a semi-related note, Kelemvor Lyonsbane is currently at AFD. BOZ ( talk) 02:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Randy Post (rk post) has also been nominated for AFD. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I think it was suggested a while ago, that this one was released in July 1980 (anyone got a RS?) and, given that this was nearly 30 years ago... I think it would be good to get Expedition to the Barrier Peaks on the Wikipedia main page. :) My target date would be July 1st, but any time in July would be fine of course. BOZ ( talk) 04:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I wrote up a blurb. I had to trim out a lot to make it fit, so now it doesn't mention Metamorphosis Alpha at all. ;)
Expedition to the Barrier Peaks is an adventure module written by Gary Gygax for the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game. While Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) is typically a fantasy game, the adventure includes science fiction elements. It takes place on a downed spaceship; the crew has died, but robots and strange creatures still inhabit the ship. The player characters fight monsters and robots, and gather futuristic weapons and colored access cards to advance the story.
The adventure was first played at the 1976 Origins II convention. TSR published the adventure in 1980, updated for Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. The adventure is a favorite of many fans, including Stephen Colbert. Dungeon magazine ranked it the fifth-best D&D adventure of all time, and White Dwarf and The Space Gamer magazines gave it positive reviews. ( more...)
Not sure how many points this one should get. I don't have an RS to back up the release date, but a Google search turns up a number of leads for that being the publishing date; this would put July 2010 as being roughly the 30th anniversary for the book's release. No D&D book (or any RPG book, as far as I know) has been a main page article, and the last D&D-related subject to be on the main page was Planescape: Torment (a computer game adaptation) on Dec 12 of last year. This article was listed as an FA slightly less than a year ago. BOZ ( talk) 23:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I was taking a good look at Songs of the Dragon and... was this one made up? I don't really see much evidence of its existence through a Google search. [2] Anyone have any idea? BOZ ( talk) 03:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Deletionism seems to be back on the rise lately! Pathfinder Roleplaying Game is now up for AFD. I know it's not D&D, but it's about as close as you can get to 3E without actually being 3E. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
[3] - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 05:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
For a long time the Dungeons & Dragons in popular culture article has been tagged for trivial content. I've been steadily working on it and trying to add citations, but many of the entries, at best, do indeed appear to be trivial mentions. I've added {{ unsourced section}} tags to see if that draws any interest, but I suspect it is unlikely to do so. Does anybody here want to try rescuing that material? If not, then I'll wait a little while and then yank out the fluff. Thanks.— RJH ( talk) 23:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Great! :) BOZ ( talk) 19:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I was just reassessing the article Red Hand of Doom, and I didn't expect to see anything special on a more recent book, and then I got a look at the sources references. This one's actually got at least a couple of solid sources from reviews, which I thought was pretty unusual! We have a review from Black Gate and Pyramid magazines at the very least. I'm wondering if anyone has any access to more magazines like that, so we can improve the quality of our articles on post-1st edition books and the like? 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 00:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Just some thoughts on where we could go if we had more sources... we have a whole bunch of first edition AD&D era stuff at GA/FA, but virtually nothing from 2E/3E - the other editions need some love too! :) Even if GA is far away for most of them, it would be good to introduce sources now to make that one day possible.
I got Unearthed Arcana up to GA, but I had virtually nothing about the 3E version of the book - would be nice to get something for that to bolster the article a bit.
Book of Vile Darkness was a GA at one point, but got taken down by GAR because it had no independent sourcing at all - we need some of that if we ever want to get it back up at GA. I believe Libris Mortis survived a GAR, but that could likely use some more sourcing as well.
The "30 Best D&D Adventures" feature in Dungeon magazine a few years ago focused mostly on 1E stuff, but also included The Ruins of Undermountain, City of Skulls, The Gates of Firestorm Peak, Dead Gods, Return to the Tomb of Horrors, The Forge of Fury, Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, and City of the Spider Queen. Of course, while that is a useful source for information, it unfortunately does nothing to help establish notability.
"Dungeon Master for Dummies" had a section for the ten-best 3E adventures, which includes Whispers of the Vampire's Blade (no article), Sons of Gruumsh (no article), and Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil according to the current Google Books preview. I know the previews must change from time to time, because it at one point also showed The Forge of Fury, City of the Spider Queen, Red Hand of Doom, The Sunless Citadel, and Lord of the Iron Fortress, and there must have been two others mentioned in the book as well. Of course, I think this book is dubious on whether or not it lends to notability as an independent source, so we could also use more sourcing there.
There are plenty of other books which could use a look, but these should be enough with which to start. I'll have a look around when I can and see what else is worth trying to find sources for. BOZ ( talk) 16:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This article is up for deletion. I'm not sure what can be done for this one, unless there is some d20 games article it could be merged to? I don't know that it would have any sort of sources that would satisfy notability. BOZ ( talk) 02:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) Well, the reason I was asking was because I tried to add an old game (Universe, by SPI) to a list of RPGs and because there wasn't an article on it, some guy kept deleting it, saying that only two red-links per list are allowed by wiki policy. Is that true, or was that guy just wrong. Bill the Cat 7 ( talk) 17:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I've done a bunch of work on the article and added some non-useless sources, but I need help finding more. Any suggestions? It's hard to know where to look, since there aren't many gaming mags left that aren't basically house organs. zorblek (talk) 21:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll just add that I've never heard anything about two redlinks per list either. Some sort of magazine is what's needed...but I am not familiar with what is out there now. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
P.S. Stub Universe (role-playing game) article created and cited.— RJH ( talk) 18:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The AfD has been closed due to no consensus, so the article should be safe for now. However, I'd like to improve the article as much as possible to discourage further attempts. I'd also like to create a good article on retro-clones and simulacra in general. I'll start another thread for that. zorblek (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
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I am no D&D expert but from the little I know and from having wasted time in World of warcraft I can safely say there are hordes of influences, starting with the fact that in WoW the good guys come in 2 alignments (Alliance & horde (WoW) <=order & chaos (D&D)) to owlbear (D&D) /owlkin (WoW) and the whole point and multipliers etc typical of role playing games. But on wikipedia there not a mention of the similarities, whereas I would have expected a list page full of stuff like that. I know some stuff in warcraft does not come from D&D (such as the "portals" to cross to different worlds which instead is taken from Feist's Magician book called there "rifts" and "valheru"="dreadlords" in warcraft) and combining to facts to prove a point is against the policies ( wikipedia:SYNT), but a comparison page would be really interesting thing to read. -- Squidonius ( talk) 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
At least one ref exists. [1] To do an article using nothing but reliable sources would be a major undertaking, but probably possible. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 02:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Comment requested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Role-playing games#"Role-playing" or "roleplaying"?; seeing as how this project is more active than that one, I thought I'd ask here too.
Added a possible ref to the talk page that might make a good addition to the article. – Drilnoth ( T • C • L) 16:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The death of John Eric Holmes has been reported, but of course we need a reliable source to confirm that. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 18:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
A story about D&D-flavored Jones Soda: Bizarre soda tells us what Dungeons & Dragons tastes like. The purple Illithid Brain Juice looks like a winner. ;-) RJH ( talk) 14:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Those of you who were paying attention may have noticed earlier this year when I was adding info from Dragon's ProFiles column, which ran in nearly every issue from #243-293. At that time I was concentrating on filling in all the unsourced bios that I could, thanks to the drive to delete all unsourced BLP bios (you'll note that none have been deleted, thank you very much!), and I'm sure I did at least a couple dozen. I basically had three tiers of bios to work with: unsourced, poorly sourced, and pretty well sourced but hey why not add more info. As far as I know, I finished the unsourced bios a while ago, and I just started on the "poorly sourced" with Troy Denning. Soon I will be on to other bios such as Elaine Cunningham, Bill Slavicsek, Wolfgang Baur, Mary Kirchoff, Bruce Cordell, Sean Reynolds, Jonathan Tweet, Skip Williams, and David Noonan. You can be my cheerleaders. ;) 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 03:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The article on Ket was tagged for notability issues a couple of weeks ago. I have re-writte the article to try to establish notability, especially Ket as a main player in the Greyhawk Wars plotline, but I would appreciate any suggestions. A secondary source talking about Ket's role during that time would be super, if anyone knows of one out there. Guinness323 ( talk) 19:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Anyone speak Russian? ;) Their article on the drow is a GA; I wonder if there's anything we can get out of that?
Of course, if they have GA criteria anything like ours, I have to wonder how they passed #3? Looking from the sources they used, it seems focused almost entirely on the Forgotten Realms version of drow, and it doesn't seem to mention Gygax or the drow early history at all. BOZ ( talk) 17:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
The Dagon (Dungeons & Dragons) article has been prod'd due to lack of independent coverage. My suggestion is to use the current sources to cite a summary paragraph on the Dagon in popular culture article.— RJH ( talk) 21:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks. — Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:05, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
In the overall wikipedia {{ grading scheme}}, A-class articles apparently have a higher rating than do GA-articles. The primary difference is that A-class articles have been reviewed by impartial reviewers from a WikiProject. Thus, it should be possible for members of this wikiproject to review, say, GA-class articles and determine whether they meet the A-class criteria. (The impartial criteria suggests they should be members who haven't previously edited the article.) Improving GA articles to A-class wouldn't remove them from the GA list, and it would help identify articles that are excellent candidates for FA.— RJH ( talk) 22:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Fred Fields, Quinton Hoover, and Dana Knutson have been nominated for AFD relating to the AFD for List of Magic: The Gathering artists. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Fields, Hoover, and Knutson were all ruled no consensus - hopefully someone will be able to improve them at some point, so that they won't have to go through AFD again.
On a semi-related note, Kelemvor Lyonsbane is currently at AFD. BOZ ( talk) 02:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Randy Post (rk post) has also been nominated for AFD. 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 19:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I think it was suggested a while ago, that this one was released in July 1980 (anyone got a RS?) and, given that this was nearly 30 years ago... I think it would be good to get Expedition to the Barrier Peaks on the Wikipedia main page. :) My target date would be July 1st, but any time in July would be fine of course. BOZ ( talk) 04:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I wrote up a blurb. I had to trim out a lot to make it fit, so now it doesn't mention Metamorphosis Alpha at all. ;)
Expedition to the Barrier Peaks is an adventure module written by Gary Gygax for the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game. While Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) is typically a fantasy game, the adventure includes science fiction elements. It takes place on a downed spaceship; the crew has died, but robots and strange creatures still inhabit the ship. The player characters fight monsters and robots, and gather futuristic weapons and colored access cards to advance the story.
The adventure was first played at the 1976 Origins II convention. TSR published the adventure in 1980, updated for Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. The adventure is a favorite of many fans, including Stephen Colbert. Dungeon magazine ranked it the fifth-best D&D adventure of all time, and White Dwarf and The Space Gamer magazines gave it positive reviews. ( more...)
Not sure how many points this one should get. I don't have an RS to back up the release date, but a Google search turns up a number of leads for that being the publishing date; this would put July 2010 as being roughly the 30th anniversary for the book's release. No D&D book (or any RPG book, as far as I know) has been a main page article, and the last D&D-related subject to be on the main page was Planescape: Torment (a computer game adaptation) on Dec 12 of last year. This article was listed as an FA slightly less than a year ago. BOZ ( talk) 23:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I was taking a good look at Songs of the Dragon and... was this one made up? I don't really see much evidence of its existence through a Google search. [2] Anyone have any idea? BOZ ( talk) 03:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Deletionism seems to be back on the rise lately! Pathfinder Roleplaying Game is now up for AFD. I know it's not D&D, but it's about as close as you can get to 3E without actually being 3E. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 12:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
[3] - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 05:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
For a long time the Dungeons & Dragons in popular culture article has been tagged for trivial content. I've been steadily working on it and trying to add citations, but many of the entries, at best, do indeed appear to be trivial mentions. I've added {{ unsourced section}} tags to see if that draws any interest, but I suspect it is unlikely to do so. Does anybody here want to try rescuing that material? If not, then I'll wait a little while and then yank out the fluff. Thanks.— RJH ( talk) 23:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Great! :) BOZ ( talk) 19:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I was just reassessing the article Red Hand of Doom, and I didn't expect to see anything special on a more recent book, and then I got a look at the sources references. This one's actually got at least a couple of solid sources from reviews, which I thought was pretty unusual! We have a review from Black Gate and Pyramid magazines at the very least. I'm wondering if anyone has any access to more magazines like that, so we can improve the quality of our articles on post-1st edition books and the like? 204.153.84.10 ( talk) 00:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Just some thoughts on where we could go if we had more sources... we have a whole bunch of first edition AD&D era stuff at GA/FA, but virtually nothing from 2E/3E - the other editions need some love too! :) Even if GA is far away for most of them, it would be good to introduce sources now to make that one day possible.
I got Unearthed Arcana up to GA, but I had virtually nothing about the 3E version of the book - would be nice to get something for that to bolster the article a bit.
Book of Vile Darkness was a GA at one point, but got taken down by GAR because it had no independent sourcing at all - we need some of that if we ever want to get it back up at GA. I believe Libris Mortis survived a GAR, but that could likely use some more sourcing as well.
The "30 Best D&D Adventures" feature in Dungeon magazine a few years ago focused mostly on 1E stuff, but also included The Ruins of Undermountain, City of Skulls, The Gates of Firestorm Peak, Dead Gods, Return to the Tomb of Horrors, The Forge of Fury, Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, and City of the Spider Queen. Of course, while that is a useful source for information, it unfortunately does nothing to help establish notability.
"Dungeon Master for Dummies" had a section for the ten-best 3E adventures, which includes Whispers of the Vampire's Blade (no article), Sons of Gruumsh (no article), and Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil according to the current Google Books preview. I know the previews must change from time to time, because it at one point also showed The Forge of Fury, City of the Spider Queen, Red Hand of Doom, The Sunless Citadel, and Lord of the Iron Fortress, and there must have been two others mentioned in the book as well. Of course, I think this book is dubious on whether or not it lends to notability as an independent source, so we could also use more sourcing there.
There are plenty of other books which could use a look, but these should be enough with which to start. I'll have a look around when I can and see what else is worth trying to find sources for. BOZ ( talk) 16:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This article is up for deletion. I'm not sure what can be done for this one, unless there is some d20 games article it could be merged to? I don't know that it would have any sort of sources that would satisfy notability. BOZ ( talk) 02:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) Well, the reason I was asking was because I tried to add an old game (Universe, by SPI) to a list of RPGs and because there wasn't an article on it, some guy kept deleting it, saying that only two red-links per list are allowed by wiki policy. Is that true, or was that guy just wrong. Bill the Cat 7 ( talk) 17:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I've done a bunch of work on the article and added some non-useless sources, but I need help finding more. Any suggestions? It's hard to know where to look, since there aren't many gaming mags left that aren't basically house organs. zorblek (talk) 21:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll just add that I've never heard anything about two redlinks per list either. Some sort of magazine is what's needed...but I am not familiar with what is out there now. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
P.S. Stub Universe (role-playing game) article created and cited.— RJH ( talk) 18:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The AfD has been closed due to no consensus, so the article should be safe for now. However, I'd like to improve the article as much as possible to discourage further attempts. I'd also like to create a good article on retro-clones and simulacra in general. I'll start another thread for that. zorblek (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)