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After the main page is reworked we should make a list of what constitutes notability for articles to prevent the duplication of every concept in the game. Which monsters, NPCs, etc? Someone should also notify the Wikipedia:WikiProject Forgotten Realms, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Greyhawk projects. Figure out the parentage of the projects. shadzar| Talk| contribs 21:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Dire rat, I think, should probably be merged to Dire animal.-- Robbstrd 22:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
And Dire Animal should probably be merged into some kind of prominent monsters article. Piuro 23:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. Also, I note that yours is a comparatively new project. You may be interested in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide, which has a lot of information regarding project organization from several of the most successful WikiProjects. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed other projects having their own userboxes, and am wondering if perhaps we should have one. I'm going to work on the basics (probably borrow the
Template:User Dungeons & Dragons design). Suggestions on the userbox would be great. I'll work on it on my
talk page, and suggestions could be left there. --
Everchanging02
08:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
D&D | This user is a member of WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons. |
D&D | This user is a member of WikiProject D&D. |
We should strive to remove from the articles on general D&D the bias towards 3rd+ and d20 system and make a more neutral approach to all things surrounding the game mechanics. Either give each article a section based on the edition, or just remove the edition specific content and give a general overlook on them. shadzar| Talk| contribs 11:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Also we should decide how much game mechanics is needed and how much relates specifically to D&D editions. Breath Weapon for example defines certain monsters which have them and there effects. We should prevent from removing the need to purchase the books to play the game and be as general as possible in the game mechanics as per WP:NOT in respect to instruction manuals and game guides. Most notable ones of course should have a page (if enough general information can be given without superceding the need for the purchase of the books), but others should be small ideas to introduce the particular mechanic but not give details on all aspects of it. Feats for 3rd edition, THAC0 for AD&D, etc. shadzar| Talk| contribs 11:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
The to-do list linked to at the top of the page is a general one, and not D&D specific. Do you think it could be re-routed to a subpage with stubs, requests, wikification and the type, with D&D specific articles? J Milburn 11:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
We should come to some consensus about how to categorize the books, and what to include in templated boxes on appropriate articles. The current template ( Template:D&D Books) is only 3rd edition material (except for the link to pre-3E modules), makes no distinction between 3E/3.5, and is woefully out of date. Campaign-setting material is handled inconsistently, and no such box exists at all for older material. Associated lists aren't any better at the moment, really. My suggestion is as follows:
This keeps everything organized, seems reasonably maintainable, and ensure there are no direct links to Category pages from projectspace. I'm about to inherit a lot of spare time this week and am willing to do most of the heavy lifting, but I'm not about to start this kind of page restructuring without some consensus, espeically since this project is finally around. Serpent's Choice 05:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Bad news - some pre-3e books were remade in 3e and 3.5. How will you differentiate? - Jeske ( How's My Editing?) 05:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Jeske ( How's My Editing?) 05:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
For use at the bottom of 3.0/3.5 sourcebooks, including campaign setting-specific material, for the Project's examination. See User:Serpent's Choice/Testplate. Its large-ish, but there are a ton of books! I'll give this a few days of Project observation/commentary time before I consider converting existing articles or even launching this template to the Template space. Serpent's Choice 08:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
How are we going to deal with deities used in the D&D pantheon? - Jeske ( How's My Editing?) 00:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
(resetting indent, as it makes listing ugly...) I'm concerned that Jeske's suggestion is too much duplication of source material (and, regarding the questing bit, too much movement toward OR). We don't want these articles to duplicate Deities and Demigods etc., while still conveying useful information. Here's one possible article structure, although I'm not too attached to the layout.
Any thoughts on this structure? And, furthermore, any thoughts as to what we can do to that thing that is the current deity box (and its campaign-world-specific children)?? Serpent's Choice 05:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
-- Robbstrd 22:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed there is no distinction between the D&D and AD&D systems, and I'd like to include something about it in the history sections, if possible. Allegrorondo 14:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I am currently rewriting the dire animal article, as I said I would elsewhere on this page. Apologies it has taken so long, I have had a trip away in the middle of it all. Just need a little help. Basically, I don't have the following books- Sandstorm, Monster Manual 2, [whatever the cold enviroment source book is called], Monster Manual 4, Monsters of Eberron and Monsters of Faerun. I would like to know whether any of these introduce dire animals of any sort. I know that Stormwrack, Fiend Folio and Masters of the Wild do, but I have these. I also know that the Monster Manual 3 does not introduce any. Also, if I have missed any books that introduce monsters, especially if there are dire animals, please tell me. All I need is the name of the animal, I am just listing non-core. Thanks all. J Milburn 14:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
No matter, I forgot about the Wizards of the Coast consolidated lists! I have got them all here. J Milburn 14:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I finished the article. The project page says that we should try and get things on Did You Know?, do you think there is anything in this article that could qualify? Am I right in thinking that it is allowed, because it is a recently unstubbed article? J Milburn 18:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
No discussion about D&D can be complete without talking about campaign settings. The core setting is rarely used without a campaign setting and the 3rd edition of D&D relied on the Greyhawk campaign setting to supply information (like deities) that was previously missing from the game. Even if people would prefer to deal with this as a separate article, I would argue that it isn't possible. The two are so closely linked that a lot of information is meaningless in isolation.
I did a lot of work on the Spelljammer article when I first started editing and wanted to follow the formats of all the other campaign settings, but couldn't find a universal format at the time. I got quite a few comments about my editing at the time, because I couldn't find any guidlines for creation of D&D articles. The articles for subjects the various different campaign settings need to follow a standardised format (which should match core products), so I hope you will produce something that I can try to follow in the future.
One of the problems with campaign settings is that there are campaign settings placed inside other campaign settings. Kara-Tur, Maztica, Al-Quadim, The Horde and Arcane Age fit within the Forgotten Realms campaign world and Taladas fits on the back of the Dragonlance world. A couple of settings fit within the Mystara campaign setting: The Hollow World is one and I think the other one might be Savage Coast. So campaign settings need to have a format that allows them to slot inside each other.
Another problem is that there are a few crossover products that bridge the gap between two settings. Spelljammer and Planescape are the most obvious things here, as both can be used as bolt on products. An article about Realmspace is both a Spelljammer article and a Forgotten Realms article. And an article about any deity from any campaign setting is probably also just as relivant to Planescape.
You also need to make sure that all the campaign settings, no matter how small, get access to things like "this article is a stub" templates. So far it seems like the settings that are still published have more editors and better designed articles.
Big Mac 19:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
This currently has an image that looks a bit like 2d6, however they are so small you can't really tell they are rollplaying dice and not spot dice.
I think that a d20 would be more appropriate for D&D as all combat, skill check and saving throw rolls are made with a d20. Unless you have a weapon that does d6 worth of damage, you wouldn't necessarily use these dice.
While I'm talking about D&D stubs, can someone please tell me how to get a stub made for the Spelljammer campaign setting? I can't seem to find one anywhere.
Big Mac 20:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
We need to come to a conensus on what types of images to include in our D&D pages. I noticed {{Template:RPG-artwork}} is being used on on these pages, mostly Dire animal (Dungeons & Dragons). If there is some way we can include images with the pages, it will really help the user/reader. I know Wikipedia:Fair use puts a bunch of restrictions on us: we can't hurt the business of D&D. Obviously, scanning the images from the books and listing the books' stats is illegal. What can we do? What can't we do? Discuss. - Peregrinefisher 09:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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So, technically, to use any of the images that I have done, I should have had written permission. Would it be advisable to write for permission? Even if it is, I wouldn't have thought that I was the best person to do that. J Milburn 17:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Coincidentially came across this article while new page patrolling. I know nothing about it, but it urgently needs looking at. I have also added it to our to-do list. Thanks. J Milburn 17:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, it has been deleted now. I have invited the writer to the project. J Milburn 17:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
We should consider developing cutoff criteria for monsters to earn inclusion as an article. We cannot simply create an article for every printed monster; beyond the copyvio issues that is likely to engender, that will quickly bring the whole lot to the attention of AFD. My initial suggestion would be that anything beyond the main MM is disqualified unless it has substantial coverage via modules, novels, or campaign setting material. Thus, warforged would get their article; ambush drake would not. Thoughts? Serpent's Choice 10:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Serpent's Choice 05:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I think grouping monsters together is the best option, when there are numerous similar monsters. Perhaps all goblinoids should be together, all dire animals together, and so on. As the fiction guidelines suggest, the bigger monsters can then have their own, bigger section in that article, whereas the other can just be listed, probably by book. J Milburn 11:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The monster template given on the main page seems doomed to create in-universe articles that fail WP:FICTION and WP:WAF horribly. The most important part is information relevant outside the game world, and only enough information from inside it as is useful to understanding the monster's importance or position in the game. Most of this stuff seems like trivia, though, or something that could be summarized into a couple sentences without losing anything over full sections. The reproductive habits of Githyanki aren't something we need to report in detail. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 17:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
On another topic, I think it would be useful, in every monster description, perhaps as part of the Monster Template, to list the sourcebook(s) in which the monster's statistics are listed. This would serve as referencing as well as providing readers with a useful resource. BreathingMeat 20:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
There has been the mass deletion of the images tagged with the RPG-artwork fair use rationale. All of the images in the galleries on the Wizards of the Coast website have been deleted, and the images of the models have been tagged with 'no source' and 'no rationale', so could well be deleted soon. I am rather irritated that no one told me that so many of the images I uploaded were nominated as copyright violations, but what is done is done. I think it is time we contact Wizards of the Coast to ask permission. I think that there is a reasonable chance that they will say yes. Here are some relevent pages- Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2006 November 29/Images and Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2006 July 6/Images. It should also be noted that it was said in these places about how the RPG-art tag is considered a poor tag, and needs to be rewritten. I can eliminate the need for providing rationale and source for the models by taking pictures of my own models, but I own only a small amount of the models that I have uploaded. However, I should be able to boost the articles that are relevent to the models I do have. J Milburn 17:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
On another note, the AC Adapter for my laptop set alight, meaning I have potentially very limited Internet access until Christmas, when I am getting a new laptop. Therefore, if we are gonna add fair use to these images, could someone else do it? You can find a list of them at the links in my original comment in this section. The source was the WotC website, I am not sure exactly where for each one, no doubt on the sets' gallery pages. J Milburn 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I've started creating a template for DnD monsters at {{ D&D creature}}. I don't know templates very well, so it could use work. I based it on {{ Forgotten Realms Deity}} and {{ D&D Deity}}. It has several things that need to be done before it goes live. Feel free to add to the list:
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Draconomicon and Savage Species 3.5e books? They are categorized as 3e on all pages I've seen, including the D&D Books template, and the List of prestige classes article. Kilmax yath 06:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Draconomicon is 3.5, Savage Species is Pi, in that it was published in the transition period and, though strictly 3rd edition, is more compatable than usual with the 3.5 ruleset than the usual 3rd edition book. Piuro 19:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
If we are still active, that has just been created, and needs some serious attention. J Milburn 11:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I have an idea to help clean up this mess. Let me run it down. First, we have already merged G1, G2, and G3 into Against the Giants. D1 and D2 have been merged into Descent into the Depths of the Earth. D3 is a stand alone, under Vault of the Drow, and finally, Q1 is Queen of the Demonweb Pits. All nine of these modules (including re-released versions) were eventually merged into GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders, an article that has yet to be written. What I am proposing is merging all four entries under this one title. I would like to be the one to do this project.
How am I qualified? Well, in addition to playing through each of these modules as a player and then later as a DM, I own every single version, including re-released versions, of the entire series. Second, I like to think I am pretty good at putting stuff together. Drizzt Do'Urden's scimitars is an example of my work. As I did with that project, I would work on the consolidated article first, and wait for a few of the wikiproject members to sign off on it before we start with the redirects. So, any comments on this? Turlo Lomon 05:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
For those that are interested, the current draft (tons more work still needed) is here: User:Turlo Lomon/draft. Let me know if you have any feedback on what I have done so far. I'm pulling out the modules now for specific details. Turlo Lomon 11:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I've made what I think is a good start on an infobox for D&D creatures. I'm going to start adding it to some pages, so please be BOLD and adjust the template, or request any changes or additions you would like. Here's what it looks like for satyr.
Satyr | |
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First appearance | Monster Manual (vol. 1) |
In-universe information | |
Type | Fey |
Alignment | Chaotic neutral |
- Peregrine Fisher 19:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I created a template too go at the bottom of creature pages. Here's what is it looks like currently:
Feel free to be bold and modify it, or make requests here. There's so many creatures that I just included pages that are lists of creatures. If you know of any other lists, please add them. We may want to add "Notable creatures" or something to list for the most important creatures like Beholder. You can also check out Hobgoblin (Dungeons & Dragons) to see this template, and the above infobox, all on one page. - Peregrine Fisher 21:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I've seen the previous suggestions for a userbox for this WikiProject, and as there is still none in use, I suggest one of these that I have set up. A fitting image can be discussed and created later.
D&D | This user
participates in WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons. |
{{
User WPDND2}}
Please tell me what you think. --
Ifrit
05:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I moved Template:Project D&D to Template:D&D and added stuff for quality assessment and importance assessment. I basically just copied the template that the Film wikiproject uses. I'm going to try and get all the cats created, and add stuff to the project page explaining it. Here's what it looks like: {{ D&D}} - Peregrine Fisher 05:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
For legal reasons it's hard to have stats and images, 2 of the 3 things (along with description) that matter with D&D creatures. I've found a workaround of sorts. I've added fields to the D&D creature infobox that will allow us to link to images and stats at wizards.com. Again, for legal reasons, I made it very wizards.com oriented by naming the fields wizards_image_URL and wizards_stats_URL, instead of just image_URL and stats_URL. Basically, it's against policy (or illegal) to link to websites that publish these images and stats without wizards.com permission. Anyways, here's how it looks for Satyr (Dungeons & Dragons):
Satyr | |
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First appearance | Monster Manual ( 1977) |
Based on | Satyr |
In-universe information | |
Type | Fey |
Alignment | Chaotic neutral |
- Peregrine Fisher 07:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The suffix (Dungeons & Dragons) has been added to I don't know how many of our page names. They really shouldn't have this unless there are multiple pages with the same name. - Peregrine Fisher 01:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that the real world information we have on the various subjects should be emphasized by being put towards the top of the articles. I would also like to deemphasize some of the in-game info by combining its sections. Basically I keep seeing Creative origins towards the bottom, and I would like to move it up towards the top. I think publication history and then creative origins should be the first two sections. For the monsters, I think the Ecology, Environment, Typical physical characteristics, alignment and Society sections should all be lumped into a Description section, unless they're actually long enough to support their own sections. The sections about campaign settings and other media seem to be working alright. What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher 01:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The main article on Dungeons & Dragons has come a long way since this basic list was done. I now suggest we have a good core of a feature article and have suggested on it's talk page that it is now time to make a concerted and detailed effort to get it fully to Featured Article standard before it is nominated for a third attempt at featured article. While I have not been very active in this project as a whole, I have done a lot of work on this particular article, and I think this is a key one for members of this project to focus on. - Waza 11:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any Wikipedia repository of fictional weapons that I am missing? It seems that things like the ugrosh deserve entries, even if compiled into one, perhaps listing possible origins (two-bladed swords have to have some precedent, I'm guessing) & history. Additionally, "famous" items or artifacts like the Sword of Kass or the Holy Avenger could also get their fair shake? Category:Fictional weapons seems to set a precedent for it, & would be a good spot for a subcatagory. -- mordicai. 22:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Peregrine Fisher 01:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I've got a copy of the Dragon Magazine Archive CDs sitting around. It includes in searchable PDF form the full text of The Strategic Review and The Dragon/Dragon Magazine/Dragon though issue 250. I've found it useful for pulling citations from (See example). If it's useful, I'm happy to dig out specific quotes, confirm citations, and the like, just let me know. I only have crude search capabilities, so I'd rather not go on general fishing expeditions. It will be easiest if you know roughly what issue you're interested in, or if you can suggest a set of reasonably unique words likely to appear in the article. — Alan De Smet | Talk 23:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
For some reason, the chart showing how many articles are assessed at each level (stub, start, etc.) doesn't seem to be working. I left a note here, but wanted to let y'all know about the problem too, doncha know. :) -- Ebyabe 17:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me what http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/ is about, and what the copyright status is on the monsters their? Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher 02:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
There is currently to my knowledge only one D&D related articles classified as
Wikipedia:Good Articles and none at
Featured Article level. I would like to see the main
Dungeons & Dragons article to featured article status, but getting there is not an easy task. To help build my skills and work on something more achievable in the short term I decided to try and take a D&D related article to Good article status. Over the past 2 weeks or so I have put a lot of work into
Ravenloft (D&D module) and plan to nominate it soon. I am hoping to get some feedback first.
I believe this article has now reached the standard to be considered a good article and am planning to soon nominate it for Good article status.
The first criteria it is (1) It is well written. is my biggest concern as I have been so close to this article is hard to see its flaw, any feedback is very much appreciated.
Of secondary concern is (6) contains images, to illustrate the topic. There is one image in this article and that should be sufficient, but more would be good. If you have any of the latter reprints of the module please scan them to add to the article.
I do believe firmly it meet all the other criteria as it is (2) factually accurate and verifiable, (3) broad in its coverage, (4) follows the neutral point of view policy, and (5) stable. -
Waza 11:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Ravenloft (D&D module) has passed and is now a good article, only the second good article covered by this project. Thanks to those who provided feedback. While I choose this article as a short article on could work on getting to GA status but was unlikely to ever be a Featured Article, I found so much information on it that I now believe it could be improved and expanded to the level of a FA. I won't be working towards this soon, but possibly will one day in the future if no one else does it before me. -
Waza
20:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
It took about 15 minutes. List of Draglance modules. - Peregrine Fisher 00:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
We've got a little discussion about how to name module series going on at Talk:List of Dragonlance modules, please drop by and give your opinion. - Peregrine Fisher 03:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed a new article called List of monsters in monster manual (Dungeons & Dragons). The article appears at the moment to be a template added and currently only houses one monster. It lists the name of the monster and a descriptive paragraph. However, I do have a couple of questions.
First, assuming such a list were completed, would it be a copyright violation as an unapproved copy of large portions of the Monster Manual? If so the article would have to be deleted.
On the other hand, if it isn't a copyright violation, then this list might a preferable method to list D&D monsters than using seperate articles for every single monster. Major monsters, like major characters in fiction, could still have their own articles. But minor monsters which have little to no references outside of the monster manual itself could simply be included in the overall list.
So since this project is the one most heavily involved in these articles, what are your thoughts? Should the list be nominated for deletion at afd as a likely copyright violation, or should it be worked on more thoroughly and used as a "list of minor characters" type article for D&D? Or should something else be done? Dugwiki 21:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's one suggestion to consider on how to organize the info on D&D monsters.
I think if you follow that track that in the long run you'll have something that satisfies everybody. You'll have a comprehensive list index of all monsters from all sources for people looking for specific creatures that might be somewhat esoteric, and you'll have creatures that are more significant in the real world sense having their own articles. Just my off-hand recommendation on a goal to shoot for. Dugwiki 15:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Please see my comments at Talk:List of Dungeons & Dragons deities for discussion of my propose overhaul to the various pantheons and cosmologies of D&D on Wikipedia. - Harmil 19:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Any ideas for what should be in a Plane infobox? I was thinking the following:
Thoughts?-- Robbstrd 20:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
The reference’s on most of the game modules is just redundant and useless information. The info is often listed some where more appropriately in the article. The References just reference’s itself. How about we fix this or just droop it if there is nothing useful. Dm2ortiz 17:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Citation templates Dm2ortiz 02:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Dm2ortiz has moved a large number of modules from "<module name>" to "<module name> (module)" with an edit summary of "WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons". I would disagree with these changes, as en.wiki does not in general (disambiguate) page titles unless necessary, and I see no discussion of this here. Any views from anyone else? Cheers -- Pak21 17:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The discussion here is should we are should we not do "pre-emptive disambiguation"? If whether we do it preemptively or not sooner or later going to have to be so we need to decide how we are going to do it(if at all). For adventures the standard (module) that much is obvious but what about accessories us and box sets? Should we do (rulebook), (box set) or (game)
The article titles should be the title of the book, monster, module, adventure or whatever it is, unless there is already something at that title. The only reason we use a description in brackets is that there is something more notable taking up the page for the actual title, or a disambiguation page. The context for the article should not come from the title, but from the lead. Why should Dungeons and Dragons related articles go against the norm? For instance, the renaming of not renaming Earthshaker! was the wrong thing to do, as there is nothing taking up the title of
Earthshaker!. Also, that article has no context, so could reasonably be speedy deleted.
J Milburn
15:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that given that's it's now a week since Dm2ortiz's poll and there has been no support at all for the position of keeping "(module)", I've removed this from all the modules which didn't have anything significant at their base name. If the base name was occupied, I haven't changed the suffix at all. For what it's worth, I also did a whole load of classes on Monday as well. Cheers -- Pak21 08:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
A call to all members of the D&D wiki project. We are currently having a major dispute that needs to be settled by all members of the D&D wiki project. The dispute is as follows. 1. Should we put disambiguation tags on D&D articles preemptively or should we wait until there is an article conflict with some other Wikipedia article. Vote on preemptive or wait.
2. What should we label these tags? Example "child's play (module)", or "child's play (adventure)" and at this point we are taking all suggestions.
email me at Dm2ortiz@aol.com or post on the D&D wiki project talk page
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Bmader | ||
BreathingMeat | strong no | D&D |
Dm2ortiz | yes | adventure |
Dragonmaster | ||
Efgardiner | ||
Everchanging02 | wait | D&D |
Frrostie | ||
GnomeNinja5 | ||
Gsalt | ||
Ifrit | Wait | D&D |
J Milburn | no | [No comment] |
Jeske Couriano | no | adventure |
Lord Balin | ||
MJ the Prophet | ||
mordicai | ||
Peregrinefisher | ||
Piuro | ||
Robbstrd | no | (D&D adventure) |
Serpent's Choice | ||
shadzar | ||
St.daniel | No | Adventure |
Turlo Lomon | No | (D&D module) |
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Polling is a horrible way to determine consensus, and the results of this poll should just be used to give a basic idea of what the consensus is, NOT determine it. Our consensus should be based on discussion and on Wikipedia guidelines and policies. J Milburn 16:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't like votes ether but we need to put this to rest so i can get on with my work here Dm2ortiz 16:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
we are just going round and round here. i don't tink it's settled till everyone has a say, not just 5 of us. I give it one week for those who don't hop on daly like us. this is my bottem line I just want know how i sould write my pages to pleas the the reads Dm2ortiz 17:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
come on guys can we just give it one week. thats all I'm asking Dm2ortiz 19:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Partially tangent from subtopic ("Polling is evil"), but more geared towards the poll content. As stated in the comment of my vote, I feel "D&D Adventure" better reflects the idea of what D&D is supposed to be, as opposed to "D&D Module", which just sounds bland and boring. I think that "Adventure" describes more the story and outcome while "Module" seems to describe the mechanics and process. Just my personal opinion. - Everchanging02 04:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that we should just differentiate based on the game rather than the product, but do we differentiate with (D&D), as has been suggested here, or do we differentiate with (Dungeons & Dragons), as appears to be the case in most existing articles? I think (Dungeons & Dragons) would be better, but redirects from (D&D) certainly wouldn't hurt. J Milburn 15:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
As a minor note, Dm2ortiz has been blocked for making legal threats. I'd say this discussion is over, considering he was the only real proponent of the renaming. We should probably move the other discussion (what to use when we do need to disambiguate) into it's own discussion section. -- Kesh 03:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
i noticed redlinks for Assassin Vine and Chaos Beast and such, because their articles are Assassin vine and Chaos beast, but i think to remember manuals naming 'monsters' with all words having a capital. doesnt this mean the articles should too? if not, some redlinks need fixing, or wikipedia should automise redirecting redlinks to articles with more or with less capitals, as it does when you do a "search"· Lygophile has spoken 02:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
yesterday I was updating all the information on D&D module book covers. Not only was I doing the 40 or so I have uploaded but everyone else's. So much easier to fix the problem then point out what someone's missing. Anyway as I was going through all images I was moving everything to a standard template for summary and fair use the looks of little neater and cleaner perhaps we can all use it from this point forward. The fair use template is directly from Wikipedia's fair use page for the summary template I'm not sure who came up with it but I copied it off of one of the modules pages. I am also planning to row place many of the existing photos with larger ones as her wizards of the Coast's legal requirement of registered trademarks and copyrights which need to be visible on all works. (I'm up to Q will continue working on this) does anyone else have any input? Dm2ortiz 13:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Right, well, last time I attempted this, the images were deleted, and I was wondering what the opinion of using images from galleries such as this. I have drawn up a boiler-plate fair use rationale for use of the images in articles on their respective monsters, when a description of the monster's appearance is given, here. I am looking for the opinions of others on the subject. J Milburn 18:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Expedition to the Demonweb Pits? The plot summary section doesn't sound like a normal plot summary. Should it be there? It doesn't comply with WP:IINFO #2, either. Cool Blue talk to me 21:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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After the main page is reworked we should make a list of what constitutes notability for articles to prevent the duplication of every concept in the game. Which monsters, NPCs, etc? Someone should also notify the Wikipedia:WikiProject Forgotten Realms, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Greyhawk projects. Figure out the parentage of the projects. shadzar| Talk| contribs 21:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Dire rat, I think, should probably be merged to Dire animal.-- Robbstrd 22:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
And Dire Animal should probably be merged into some kind of prominent monsters article. Piuro 23:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. Also, I note that yours is a comparatively new project. You may be interested in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide, which has a lot of information regarding project organization from several of the most successful WikiProjects. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed other projects having their own userboxes, and am wondering if perhaps we should have one. I'm going to work on the basics (probably borrow the
Template:User Dungeons & Dragons design). Suggestions on the userbox would be great. I'll work on it on my
talk page, and suggestions could be left there. --
Everchanging02
08:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
D&D | This user is a member of WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons. |
D&D | This user is a member of WikiProject D&D. |
We should strive to remove from the articles on general D&D the bias towards 3rd+ and d20 system and make a more neutral approach to all things surrounding the game mechanics. Either give each article a section based on the edition, or just remove the edition specific content and give a general overlook on them. shadzar| Talk| contribs 11:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Also we should decide how much game mechanics is needed and how much relates specifically to D&D editions. Breath Weapon for example defines certain monsters which have them and there effects. We should prevent from removing the need to purchase the books to play the game and be as general as possible in the game mechanics as per WP:NOT in respect to instruction manuals and game guides. Most notable ones of course should have a page (if enough general information can be given without superceding the need for the purchase of the books), but others should be small ideas to introduce the particular mechanic but not give details on all aspects of it. Feats for 3rd edition, THAC0 for AD&D, etc. shadzar| Talk| contribs 11:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
The to-do list linked to at the top of the page is a general one, and not D&D specific. Do you think it could be re-routed to a subpage with stubs, requests, wikification and the type, with D&D specific articles? J Milburn 11:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
We should come to some consensus about how to categorize the books, and what to include in templated boxes on appropriate articles. The current template ( Template:D&D Books) is only 3rd edition material (except for the link to pre-3E modules), makes no distinction between 3E/3.5, and is woefully out of date. Campaign-setting material is handled inconsistently, and no such box exists at all for older material. Associated lists aren't any better at the moment, really. My suggestion is as follows:
This keeps everything organized, seems reasonably maintainable, and ensure there are no direct links to Category pages from projectspace. I'm about to inherit a lot of spare time this week and am willing to do most of the heavy lifting, but I'm not about to start this kind of page restructuring without some consensus, espeically since this project is finally around. Serpent's Choice 05:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Bad news - some pre-3e books were remade in 3e and 3.5. How will you differentiate? - Jeske ( How's My Editing?) 05:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Jeske ( How's My Editing?) 05:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
For use at the bottom of 3.0/3.5 sourcebooks, including campaign setting-specific material, for the Project's examination. See User:Serpent's Choice/Testplate. Its large-ish, but there are a ton of books! I'll give this a few days of Project observation/commentary time before I consider converting existing articles or even launching this template to the Template space. Serpent's Choice 08:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
How are we going to deal with deities used in the D&D pantheon? - Jeske ( How's My Editing?) 00:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
(resetting indent, as it makes listing ugly...) I'm concerned that Jeske's suggestion is too much duplication of source material (and, regarding the questing bit, too much movement toward OR). We don't want these articles to duplicate Deities and Demigods etc., while still conveying useful information. Here's one possible article structure, although I'm not too attached to the layout.
Any thoughts on this structure? And, furthermore, any thoughts as to what we can do to that thing that is the current deity box (and its campaign-world-specific children)?? Serpent's Choice 05:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
-- Robbstrd 22:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed there is no distinction between the D&D and AD&D systems, and I'd like to include something about it in the history sections, if possible. Allegrorondo 14:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I am currently rewriting the dire animal article, as I said I would elsewhere on this page. Apologies it has taken so long, I have had a trip away in the middle of it all. Just need a little help. Basically, I don't have the following books- Sandstorm, Monster Manual 2, [whatever the cold enviroment source book is called], Monster Manual 4, Monsters of Eberron and Monsters of Faerun. I would like to know whether any of these introduce dire animals of any sort. I know that Stormwrack, Fiend Folio and Masters of the Wild do, but I have these. I also know that the Monster Manual 3 does not introduce any. Also, if I have missed any books that introduce monsters, especially if there are dire animals, please tell me. All I need is the name of the animal, I am just listing non-core. Thanks all. J Milburn 14:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
No matter, I forgot about the Wizards of the Coast consolidated lists! I have got them all here. J Milburn 14:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I finished the article. The project page says that we should try and get things on Did You Know?, do you think there is anything in this article that could qualify? Am I right in thinking that it is allowed, because it is a recently unstubbed article? J Milburn 18:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
No discussion about D&D can be complete without talking about campaign settings. The core setting is rarely used without a campaign setting and the 3rd edition of D&D relied on the Greyhawk campaign setting to supply information (like deities) that was previously missing from the game. Even if people would prefer to deal with this as a separate article, I would argue that it isn't possible. The two are so closely linked that a lot of information is meaningless in isolation.
I did a lot of work on the Spelljammer article when I first started editing and wanted to follow the formats of all the other campaign settings, but couldn't find a universal format at the time. I got quite a few comments about my editing at the time, because I couldn't find any guidlines for creation of D&D articles. The articles for subjects the various different campaign settings need to follow a standardised format (which should match core products), so I hope you will produce something that I can try to follow in the future.
One of the problems with campaign settings is that there are campaign settings placed inside other campaign settings. Kara-Tur, Maztica, Al-Quadim, The Horde and Arcane Age fit within the Forgotten Realms campaign world and Taladas fits on the back of the Dragonlance world. A couple of settings fit within the Mystara campaign setting: The Hollow World is one and I think the other one might be Savage Coast. So campaign settings need to have a format that allows them to slot inside each other.
Another problem is that there are a few crossover products that bridge the gap between two settings. Spelljammer and Planescape are the most obvious things here, as both can be used as bolt on products. An article about Realmspace is both a Spelljammer article and a Forgotten Realms article. And an article about any deity from any campaign setting is probably also just as relivant to Planescape.
You also need to make sure that all the campaign settings, no matter how small, get access to things like "this article is a stub" templates. So far it seems like the settings that are still published have more editors and better designed articles.
Big Mac 19:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
This currently has an image that looks a bit like 2d6, however they are so small you can't really tell they are rollplaying dice and not spot dice.
I think that a d20 would be more appropriate for D&D as all combat, skill check and saving throw rolls are made with a d20. Unless you have a weapon that does d6 worth of damage, you wouldn't necessarily use these dice.
While I'm talking about D&D stubs, can someone please tell me how to get a stub made for the Spelljammer campaign setting? I can't seem to find one anywhere.
Big Mac 20:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
We need to come to a conensus on what types of images to include in our D&D pages. I noticed {{Template:RPG-artwork}} is being used on on these pages, mostly Dire animal (Dungeons & Dragons). If there is some way we can include images with the pages, it will really help the user/reader. I know Wikipedia:Fair use puts a bunch of restrictions on us: we can't hurt the business of D&D. Obviously, scanning the images from the books and listing the books' stats is illegal. What can we do? What can't we do? Discuss. - Peregrinefisher 09:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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So, technically, to use any of the images that I have done, I should have had written permission. Would it be advisable to write for permission? Even if it is, I wouldn't have thought that I was the best person to do that. J Milburn 17:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Coincidentially came across this article while new page patrolling. I know nothing about it, but it urgently needs looking at. I have also added it to our to-do list. Thanks. J Milburn 17:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, it has been deleted now. I have invited the writer to the project. J Milburn 17:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
We should consider developing cutoff criteria for monsters to earn inclusion as an article. We cannot simply create an article for every printed monster; beyond the copyvio issues that is likely to engender, that will quickly bring the whole lot to the attention of AFD. My initial suggestion would be that anything beyond the main MM is disqualified unless it has substantial coverage via modules, novels, or campaign setting material. Thus, warforged would get their article; ambush drake would not. Thoughts? Serpent's Choice 10:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Serpent's Choice 05:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I think grouping monsters together is the best option, when there are numerous similar monsters. Perhaps all goblinoids should be together, all dire animals together, and so on. As the fiction guidelines suggest, the bigger monsters can then have their own, bigger section in that article, whereas the other can just be listed, probably by book. J Milburn 11:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The monster template given on the main page seems doomed to create in-universe articles that fail WP:FICTION and WP:WAF horribly. The most important part is information relevant outside the game world, and only enough information from inside it as is useful to understanding the monster's importance or position in the game. Most of this stuff seems like trivia, though, or something that could be summarized into a couple sentences without losing anything over full sections. The reproductive habits of Githyanki aren't something we need to report in detail. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 17:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
On another topic, I think it would be useful, in every monster description, perhaps as part of the Monster Template, to list the sourcebook(s) in which the monster's statistics are listed. This would serve as referencing as well as providing readers with a useful resource. BreathingMeat 20:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
There has been the mass deletion of the images tagged with the RPG-artwork fair use rationale. All of the images in the galleries on the Wizards of the Coast website have been deleted, and the images of the models have been tagged with 'no source' and 'no rationale', so could well be deleted soon. I am rather irritated that no one told me that so many of the images I uploaded were nominated as copyright violations, but what is done is done. I think it is time we contact Wizards of the Coast to ask permission. I think that there is a reasonable chance that they will say yes. Here are some relevent pages- Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2006 November 29/Images and Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2006 July 6/Images. It should also be noted that it was said in these places about how the RPG-art tag is considered a poor tag, and needs to be rewritten. I can eliminate the need for providing rationale and source for the models by taking pictures of my own models, but I own only a small amount of the models that I have uploaded. However, I should be able to boost the articles that are relevent to the models I do have. J Milburn 17:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
On another note, the AC Adapter for my laptop set alight, meaning I have potentially very limited Internet access until Christmas, when I am getting a new laptop. Therefore, if we are gonna add fair use to these images, could someone else do it? You can find a list of them at the links in my original comment in this section. The source was the WotC website, I am not sure exactly where for each one, no doubt on the sets' gallery pages. J Milburn 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I've started creating a template for DnD monsters at {{ D&D creature}}. I don't know templates very well, so it could use work. I based it on {{ Forgotten Realms Deity}} and {{ D&D Deity}}. It has several things that need to be done before it goes live. Feel free to add to the list:
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Draconomicon and Savage Species 3.5e books? They are categorized as 3e on all pages I've seen, including the D&D Books template, and the List of prestige classes article. Kilmax yath 06:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Draconomicon is 3.5, Savage Species is Pi, in that it was published in the transition period and, though strictly 3rd edition, is more compatable than usual with the 3.5 ruleset than the usual 3rd edition book. Piuro 19:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
If we are still active, that has just been created, and needs some serious attention. J Milburn 11:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I have an idea to help clean up this mess. Let me run it down. First, we have already merged G1, G2, and G3 into Against the Giants. D1 and D2 have been merged into Descent into the Depths of the Earth. D3 is a stand alone, under Vault of the Drow, and finally, Q1 is Queen of the Demonweb Pits. All nine of these modules (including re-released versions) were eventually merged into GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders, an article that has yet to be written. What I am proposing is merging all four entries under this one title. I would like to be the one to do this project.
How am I qualified? Well, in addition to playing through each of these modules as a player and then later as a DM, I own every single version, including re-released versions, of the entire series. Second, I like to think I am pretty good at putting stuff together. Drizzt Do'Urden's scimitars is an example of my work. As I did with that project, I would work on the consolidated article first, and wait for a few of the wikiproject members to sign off on it before we start with the redirects. So, any comments on this? Turlo Lomon 05:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
For those that are interested, the current draft (tons more work still needed) is here: User:Turlo Lomon/draft. Let me know if you have any feedback on what I have done so far. I'm pulling out the modules now for specific details. Turlo Lomon 11:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I've made what I think is a good start on an infobox for D&D creatures. I'm going to start adding it to some pages, so please be BOLD and adjust the template, or request any changes or additions you would like. Here's what it looks like for satyr.
Satyr | |
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First appearance | Monster Manual (vol. 1) |
In-universe information | |
Type | Fey |
Alignment | Chaotic neutral |
- Peregrine Fisher 19:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I created a template too go at the bottom of creature pages. Here's what is it looks like currently:
Feel free to be bold and modify it, or make requests here. There's so many creatures that I just included pages that are lists of creatures. If you know of any other lists, please add them. We may want to add "Notable creatures" or something to list for the most important creatures like Beholder. You can also check out Hobgoblin (Dungeons & Dragons) to see this template, and the above infobox, all on one page. - Peregrine Fisher 21:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I've seen the previous suggestions for a userbox for this WikiProject, and as there is still none in use, I suggest one of these that I have set up. A fitting image can be discussed and created later.
D&D | This user
participates in WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons. |
{{
User WPDND2}}
Please tell me what you think. --
Ifrit
05:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I moved Template:Project D&D to Template:D&D and added stuff for quality assessment and importance assessment. I basically just copied the template that the Film wikiproject uses. I'm going to try and get all the cats created, and add stuff to the project page explaining it. Here's what it looks like: {{ D&D}} - Peregrine Fisher 05:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
For legal reasons it's hard to have stats and images, 2 of the 3 things (along with description) that matter with D&D creatures. I've found a workaround of sorts. I've added fields to the D&D creature infobox that will allow us to link to images and stats at wizards.com. Again, for legal reasons, I made it very wizards.com oriented by naming the fields wizards_image_URL and wizards_stats_URL, instead of just image_URL and stats_URL. Basically, it's against policy (or illegal) to link to websites that publish these images and stats without wizards.com permission. Anyways, here's how it looks for Satyr (Dungeons & Dragons):
Satyr | |
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First appearance | Monster Manual ( 1977) |
Based on | Satyr |
In-universe information | |
Type | Fey |
Alignment | Chaotic neutral |
- Peregrine Fisher 07:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The suffix (Dungeons & Dragons) has been added to I don't know how many of our page names. They really shouldn't have this unless there are multiple pages with the same name. - Peregrine Fisher 01:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that the real world information we have on the various subjects should be emphasized by being put towards the top of the articles. I would also like to deemphasize some of the in-game info by combining its sections. Basically I keep seeing Creative origins towards the bottom, and I would like to move it up towards the top. I think publication history and then creative origins should be the first two sections. For the monsters, I think the Ecology, Environment, Typical physical characteristics, alignment and Society sections should all be lumped into a Description section, unless they're actually long enough to support their own sections. The sections about campaign settings and other media seem to be working alright. What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher 01:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The main article on Dungeons & Dragons has come a long way since this basic list was done. I now suggest we have a good core of a feature article and have suggested on it's talk page that it is now time to make a concerted and detailed effort to get it fully to Featured Article standard before it is nominated for a third attempt at featured article. While I have not been very active in this project as a whole, I have done a lot of work on this particular article, and I think this is a key one for members of this project to focus on. - Waza 11:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any Wikipedia repository of fictional weapons that I am missing? It seems that things like the ugrosh deserve entries, even if compiled into one, perhaps listing possible origins (two-bladed swords have to have some precedent, I'm guessing) & history. Additionally, "famous" items or artifacts like the Sword of Kass or the Holy Avenger could also get their fair shake? Category:Fictional weapons seems to set a precedent for it, & would be a good spot for a subcatagory. -- mordicai. 22:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Peregrine Fisher 01:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I've got a copy of the Dragon Magazine Archive CDs sitting around. It includes in searchable PDF form the full text of The Strategic Review and The Dragon/Dragon Magazine/Dragon though issue 250. I've found it useful for pulling citations from (See example). If it's useful, I'm happy to dig out specific quotes, confirm citations, and the like, just let me know. I only have crude search capabilities, so I'd rather not go on general fishing expeditions. It will be easiest if you know roughly what issue you're interested in, or if you can suggest a set of reasonably unique words likely to appear in the article. — Alan De Smet | Talk 23:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
For some reason, the chart showing how many articles are assessed at each level (stub, start, etc.) doesn't seem to be working. I left a note here, but wanted to let y'all know about the problem too, doncha know. :) -- Ebyabe 17:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me what http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/ is about, and what the copyright status is on the monsters their? Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher 02:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
There is currently to my knowledge only one D&D related articles classified as
Wikipedia:Good Articles and none at
Featured Article level. I would like to see the main
Dungeons & Dragons article to featured article status, but getting there is not an easy task. To help build my skills and work on something more achievable in the short term I decided to try and take a D&D related article to Good article status. Over the past 2 weeks or so I have put a lot of work into
Ravenloft (D&D module) and plan to nominate it soon. I am hoping to get some feedback first.
I believe this article has now reached the standard to be considered a good article and am planning to soon nominate it for Good article status.
The first criteria it is (1) It is well written. is my biggest concern as I have been so close to this article is hard to see its flaw, any feedback is very much appreciated.
Of secondary concern is (6) contains images, to illustrate the topic. There is one image in this article and that should be sufficient, but more would be good. If you have any of the latter reprints of the module please scan them to add to the article.
I do believe firmly it meet all the other criteria as it is (2) factually accurate and verifiable, (3) broad in its coverage, (4) follows the neutral point of view policy, and (5) stable. -
Waza 11:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Ravenloft (D&D module) has passed and is now a good article, only the second good article covered by this project. Thanks to those who provided feedback. While I choose this article as a short article on could work on getting to GA status but was unlikely to ever be a Featured Article, I found so much information on it that I now believe it could be improved and expanded to the level of a FA. I won't be working towards this soon, but possibly will one day in the future if no one else does it before me. -
Waza
20:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
It took about 15 minutes. List of Draglance modules. - Peregrine Fisher 00:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
We've got a little discussion about how to name module series going on at Talk:List of Dragonlance modules, please drop by and give your opinion. - Peregrine Fisher 03:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed a new article called List of monsters in monster manual (Dungeons & Dragons). The article appears at the moment to be a template added and currently only houses one monster. It lists the name of the monster and a descriptive paragraph. However, I do have a couple of questions.
First, assuming such a list were completed, would it be a copyright violation as an unapproved copy of large portions of the Monster Manual? If so the article would have to be deleted.
On the other hand, if it isn't a copyright violation, then this list might a preferable method to list D&D monsters than using seperate articles for every single monster. Major monsters, like major characters in fiction, could still have their own articles. But minor monsters which have little to no references outside of the monster manual itself could simply be included in the overall list.
So since this project is the one most heavily involved in these articles, what are your thoughts? Should the list be nominated for deletion at afd as a likely copyright violation, or should it be worked on more thoroughly and used as a "list of minor characters" type article for D&D? Or should something else be done? Dugwiki 21:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's one suggestion to consider on how to organize the info on D&D monsters.
I think if you follow that track that in the long run you'll have something that satisfies everybody. You'll have a comprehensive list index of all monsters from all sources for people looking for specific creatures that might be somewhat esoteric, and you'll have creatures that are more significant in the real world sense having their own articles. Just my off-hand recommendation on a goal to shoot for. Dugwiki 15:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Please see my comments at Talk:List of Dungeons & Dragons deities for discussion of my propose overhaul to the various pantheons and cosmologies of D&D on Wikipedia. - Harmil 19:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Any ideas for what should be in a Plane infobox? I was thinking the following:
Thoughts?-- Robbstrd 20:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
The reference’s on most of the game modules is just redundant and useless information. The info is often listed some where more appropriately in the article. The References just reference’s itself. How about we fix this or just droop it if there is nothing useful. Dm2ortiz 17:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Citation templates Dm2ortiz 02:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Dm2ortiz has moved a large number of modules from "<module name>" to "<module name> (module)" with an edit summary of "WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons". I would disagree with these changes, as en.wiki does not in general (disambiguate) page titles unless necessary, and I see no discussion of this here. Any views from anyone else? Cheers -- Pak21 17:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The discussion here is should we are should we not do "pre-emptive disambiguation"? If whether we do it preemptively or not sooner or later going to have to be so we need to decide how we are going to do it(if at all). For adventures the standard (module) that much is obvious but what about accessories us and box sets? Should we do (rulebook), (box set) or (game)
The article titles should be the title of the book, monster, module, adventure or whatever it is, unless there is already something at that title. The only reason we use a description in brackets is that there is something more notable taking up the page for the actual title, or a disambiguation page. The context for the article should not come from the title, but from the lead. Why should Dungeons and Dragons related articles go against the norm? For instance, the renaming of not renaming Earthshaker! was the wrong thing to do, as there is nothing taking up the title of
Earthshaker!. Also, that article has no context, so could reasonably be speedy deleted.
J Milburn
15:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that given that's it's now a week since Dm2ortiz's poll and there has been no support at all for the position of keeping "(module)", I've removed this from all the modules which didn't have anything significant at their base name. If the base name was occupied, I haven't changed the suffix at all. For what it's worth, I also did a whole load of classes on Monday as well. Cheers -- Pak21 08:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
A call to all members of the D&D wiki project. We are currently having a major dispute that needs to be settled by all members of the D&D wiki project. The dispute is as follows. 1. Should we put disambiguation tags on D&D articles preemptively or should we wait until there is an article conflict with some other Wikipedia article. Vote on preemptive or wait.
2. What should we label these tags? Example "child's play (module)", or "child's play (adventure)" and at this point we are taking all suggestions.
email me at Dm2ortiz@aol.com or post on the D&D wiki project talk page
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Aetheilas | ||
Bmader | ||
BreathingMeat | strong no | D&D |
Dm2ortiz | yes | adventure |
Dragonmaster | ||
Efgardiner | ||
Everchanging02 | wait | D&D |
Frrostie | ||
GnomeNinja5 | ||
Gsalt | ||
Ifrit | Wait | D&D |
J Milburn | no | [No comment] |
Jeske Couriano | no | adventure |
Lord Balin | ||
MJ the Prophet | ||
mordicai | ||
Peregrinefisher | ||
Piuro | ||
Robbstrd | no | (D&D adventure) |
Serpent's Choice | ||
shadzar | ||
St.daniel | No | Adventure |
Turlo Lomon | No | (D&D module) |
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AgentLewis | ||
Aikisenshi | ||
AKParker | ||
Big Mac | ||
BOZ | ||
CaptainQuery | ||
GJD | no | D&D module (see Ravenloft (D&D module) |
Gothenem | ||
Interested2 | ||
Kesh | ||
lifebaka | ||
Torquebomb | ||
TrickyYoda | ||
Trixt | ||
Waza | ||
Bondgirl 2170 | ||
JPWoodman636 |
Polling is a horrible way to determine consensus, and the results of this poll should just be used to give a basic idea of what the consensus is, NOT determine it. Our consensus should be based on discussion and on Wikipedia guidelines and policies. J Milburn 16:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't like votes ether but we need to put this to rest so i can get on with my work here Dm2ortiz 16:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
we are just going round and round here. i don't tink it's settled till everyone has a say, not just 5 of us. I give it one week for those who don't hop on daly like us. this is my bottem line I just want know how i sould write my pages to pleas the the reads Dm2ortiz 17:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
come on guys can we just give it one week. thats all I'm asking Dm2ortiz 19:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Partially tangent from subtopic ("Polling is evil"), but more geared towards the poll content. As stated in the comment of my vote, I feel "D&D Adventure" better reflects the idea of what D&D is supposed to be, as opposed to "D&D Module", which just sounds bland and boring. I think that "Adventure" describes more the story and outcome while "Module" seems to describe the mechanics and process. Just my personal opinion. - Everchanging02 04:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that we should just differentiate based on the game rather than the product, but do we differentiate with (D&D), as has been suggested here, or do we differentiate with (Dungeons & Dragons), as appears to be the case in most existing articles? I think (Dungeons & Dragons) would be better, but redirects from (D&D) certainly wouldn't hurt. J Milburn 15:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
As a minor note, Dm2ortiz has been blocked for making legal threats. I'd say this discussion is over, considering he was the only real proponent of the renaming. We should probably move the other discussion (what to use when we do need to disambiguate) into it's own discussion section. -- Kesh 03:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
i noticed redlinks for Assassin Vine and Chaos Beast and such, because their articles are Assassin vine and Chaos beast, but i think to remember manuals naming 'monsters' with all words having a capital. doesnt this mean the articles should too? if not, some redlinks need fixing, or wikipedia should automise redirecting redlinks to articles with more or with less capitals, as it does when you do a "search"· Lygophile has spoken 02:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
yesterday I was updating all the information on D&D module book covers. Not only was I doing the 40 or so I have uploaded but everyone else's. So much easier to fix the problem then point out what someone's missing. Anyway as I was going through all images I was moving everything to a standard template for summary and fair use the looks of little neater and cleaner perhaps we can all use it from this point forward. The fair use template is directly from Wikipedia's fair use page for the summary template I'm not sure who came up with it but I copied it off of one of the modules pages. I am also planning to row place many of the existing photos with larger ones as her wizards of the Coast's legal requirement of registered trademarks and copyrights which need to be visible on all works. (I'm up to Q will continue working on this) does anyone else have any input? Dm2ortiz 13:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Right, well, last time I attempted this, the images were deleted, and I was wondering what the opinion of using images from galleries such as this. I have drawn up a boiler-plate fair use rationale for use of the images in articles on their respective monsters, when a description of the monster's appearance is given, here. I am looking for the opinions of others on the subject. J Milburn 18:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at Expedition to the Demonweb Pits? The plot summary section doesn't sound like a normal plot summary. Should it be there? It doesn't comply with WP:IINFO #2, either. Cool Blue talk to me 21:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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