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FYI: RuPaul’s Drag Race Night of the Living Drag
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
FYI, I've submitted a request for temporary page protection for Canada's Drag Race (season 3) due to persistent vandalism. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Looking through the Drag Race Franchise page, every international version is "active" (with either another season announced, in casting, in filming, or being broadcast) *other* than Chile (where "The switch" was never really treated as a normal version) and Holland. Does anyone know if DR Holland has been announced to be stopped or any other related info? Naraht ( talk) 14:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Is a project member more familiar with episode table construction able to help at Talk:God Shave the Queens? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Not specifically RPDR, but I've created a stub for Vanjie: 24 Hours of Love if any project members are interested in (tangentially) related programming. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone!
I’m Juan and I am happy to join this WikiProject! I just wanted to let y’all know that I started a draft article named: Draft:Drag Race Mexico. I know it’s a bit early, but I wanna get ready. If there’s more sources about the upcoming casting calls for the upcoming shows, add them! — JuanGLP ( talk) 23:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Well… my guess is that: the three upcoming shows my air in the same year, maybe either in 2023-24…? But that’s my guess. — JuanGLP ( talk) 23:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, okay no problem! This is the first time to react with other editors, even I started editing since December 2020. But thank you all for welcoming me! And remember children, we’re all born naked and the rest is drag! JuanGLP ( talk) 01:35, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
In Drag Race (Franchise) and the redirects, we are assuming that the names are going follow the "France/Philippines" pattern, i.e. Drag Race <countryname in English>. But I *really* don't think we've got any evidence from the Primary source. The announcements from Wow are simply a casting call *in the language*. So for Germany it is Deutchland mentioned, not Germany *and* the one for Brazil is Brasil (the proper spelling in Portuguese). Should the names on the Franchise page be changed to Citation needed? (I thought I'd ask here rather than on the talk page for the Franchise. Naraht ( talk) 07:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Created by DavidAnstiss and moved by that userfrom draft to mainspace at Plastique Tiara (Drag queen) , I corrected the disambiguation term from Drag queen to drag queen ( Plastique Tiara (drag queen)) (dab terms aren't capitalized, see Denali (drag queen) for example. I'm concerned that it should have been left in Draft until it could be evaluated. Plastique Tiara has been given *full* protection and would need to be deleted by an administrator before the article is moved to that place. Please express opinions on article here. Naraht ( talk) 17:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
If there's to be another notability discussion, please do so here: Talk:Plastique Tiara. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I think the next step is going to *have* to be a Plastique Tiara article in Draftspace, whether that is a restoration of the one that DavidAnstiss created or one started fresh that a few of us can work on. I think we are going to need at *least* two or three people here and probably Onel5969 (as AFD proposer for the last version). Notability can also be discussed at Talk:Plastique Tiara. Naraht ( talk)
Please comment at Talk:Plastique_Tiara#Notability. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 13:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
See related discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_September_28#Plastique_Tiara --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Cherry Valentine is the Collaboration of the Month for October 2022. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:25, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Feel free to review Rebecca Glasscock and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebecca Glasscock. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I've requested temporary page protection at Drag Race Italia (season 2) because of vandalism and edit warring. Project members are invited to discuss the back and forth on the Talk page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:12, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Precious Paula Nicole winner of DR Philippines has been created. Naraht ( talk) 03:43, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
So major news was announced throughout WOW's social media. — JuanGLP ( talk) 23:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Drag Race France - Season two announced, including its casting call.
Drag Race Philippines (Untucked) - Both seasons renewed, also it is a bit too early to create a season one page (unlike DRFR).
Drag Race Sverige (Untucked) - Main season coming soon with its companion series.
Drag Race España: All Stars - New show set to premiere after DRE3 in 2023.
Re: Draft:Drag Race vs the World. Are there any sources specifically about the concept, Drag Race vs the World?
If not, then we should not be creating an article for this topic. As far as I'm aware, there's simply UK vs the World and Canada vs the World, but these are both just spin-offs. There's no series called "Drag Race vs the World".
Can other editors please weigh in here, and can we consider updating Drag Race (franchise) so the vs spin-offs appear in the spin-offs table instead of the "Drag Race franchises by country" table? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
I've flagged the Drag Race vs. the World draft for deletion with JuanGLP's permission. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
The production company behind Drag Race España confirmed that there will be an All Stars season for the Spanish competition. I have made a redirect for Drag Race España: All Stars to Drag Race España. It appears to be the same thing for RDR All Stars (where it is exclusively for Paramount+), the All Stars will be only on the production company's streaming service. — JuanGLP ( talk) 16:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
In July 2020, I tried to request to rename Tyra Sanchez to James Ross (performer) because there is a lot sources confirmed that person is no longer called Tyra Sanchez. He quoted "For those asking, Tyra Sanchez has fulfilled her purpose in my life. I, James Ross, no longer want to be referred to as Tyra, Tyra Sanchez, her, she, girl, or queen." This is really purpose of rename this article. Sunrise In Brooklyn ✉ 14:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Would Template:RuPaul's Secret Celebrity Drag Race be helpful? There are now multiple seasons with many notable people involved. Of course, we'll learn more as season 2 airs soon, but something for us to consider in the meantime. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
When we first started adding sources to placement tables to minimize editwarring over how contestants were placed, the consensus at the time was that the source needed to be a third-party episode recap in something like Vulture, the AV Club or Xtra! -- but at some point that seems to have shifted to "just automatically fill out a {{ cite episode}} template with the title and date of the episode itself and be done with it".
The thing is, that's not a good approach for sourcing placements. Firstly, it fails to be quickly verifiable without actually watching the entire episode to figure out if it was right or not -- whereas any reliable episode recap will clearly name the winners, the bottom two and the sashay within a short read. And secondly, it also messes up the balance of reliable vs. primary sourcing in the season article itself -- the references get transcluded into the season article right alongside the template, and thus help to function as referencing for the season, so using the show's own episodes as circular sourcing in the placement tables instead of reliable source episode recaps has a very heavy impact on whether the article is properly sourced or not.
For example, RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars (season 7) has 17 footnotes, of which 12 are its own episodes metasourcing themselves -- which means it's currently based 70 per cent on primary sourcing that isn't support for notability at all, and even the very few third party sources actually in the article aren't entirely reliable or GNG-worthy ones either (e.g. Mashable, Digital Spy), meaning that somebody could genuinely argue that the season wasn't notable at all if circular verification of itself is almost all the sourcing it actually has to offer. Which is the most important reason why the sources need to be third-party recaps from real media, rather than just sourcing each episode to itself: showing that the season got covered by reliable sources is a critical component of establishing that the season is even notable enough to have its own standalone article in the first place, because the sourcing in the placement tables frequently accounts for considerably more than half of all the sourcing in the season's article itself. And similarly, the fact that the reliable source recaps I had already added to the Canada's Drag Race (season 2) placement table in the past recently got replaced with "episode metasourcing itself" citations also shifted that article from "15 reliable and properly notability-supporting citations and one Twitter tweet" to "10 primary sources, just four reliable or notability-supporting citations and a Twitter tweet" — but its balance of sourcing also has to be the former, not the latter, because an article that's depending two-thirds on primary-sourcing the topic to itself, instead of reliable or notability-supporting coverage about it, isn't actually establishing the topic's notability at all.
And for added bonus, the idea that each episode was acceptable as circular metaverification of its own content, with no need of any third-party sourcing, was precisely what got us into a lot of the problems we've had in Drag Race placement tables in the past -- the endless arguments about whether somebody was "high vs. safe", or "low vs. safe", often hinged on the idea that the episode itself circularly metaverified whatever position the edit warrior wanted it to, which is precisely why we started requiring independent and third party verification to be added to the placement tables in the first place.
So no, we cannot just "source" the placements in each Drag Race episode to the episode itself -- it has to be sourced to third party coverage about the episode in reliable sources other than the show itself, such as an episode recap in the likes of Vulture, the AV Club or Xtra. I'll grant that for some of the very old seasons, episode recaps or other sources might not be possible to locate anymore, and thus sourcing the episode to itself should be accepted as a last-resort move if third party sources can't be found — but when legitimate third party sources can be located, they have to be preferred over just reflexively sourcing each episode to itself across the board. Bearcat ( talk) 16:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
After looking at the way that the French and Italian Wikipedias are doing RPDR:Canada Season 3, I've noticed that the include the legal(?) names of the queens as well. It appears that it is policy, although I'm not sure where it is written that these are *not* included in the RPDR articles.
To pick a queen who is both notable and for whom their birth/legal name is open and as far as I know not even close to being a deadname, Bianca Del Rio. Her legal name "Roy Haylock" isn't anywhere on a page linked from from the RPDR template, but is on the page about her as well as that of some movies that they have done.
The effect of this is that if a queen does not have a page about her, there isn't a place on en.wiki for their legal name. As an example, the French page for Season 14 fr:Saison_14_de_RuPaul's_Drag_Race includes that the legal name for June Jambalaya is Tyron'e Porter. (Now they pull that from the fandom page which means it isn't referenced well enough for en.wiki, but that's not relevant for this.) there is no place on en.wiki for that piece of information.
Not sure we've written that down anywhere, but I wanted to point it out for discussion so at worst, we can point editors to this in the archives.... Naraht ( talk) 16:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
In splitting out the templates, we appear to have that template be USA only, but there are at least two entries in related which don't fit. One of them is that DragCon UK is linked to (along with the LA and NYC drag cons) and the other is whether RuPaul's Drag Race terminology is exclusively American (the fact that Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve and Talent is included would tend to say no). Should either RuPaul's DragCon UK be moved to the UK, or should all of these get moved to the franchise level template. Naraht ( talk) 03:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
(If I don't mention it, I *completely* feel it should remain in the US specific)
Naraht ( talk) 14:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
I moved the following entries from the US to the franchise.
Naraht ( talk) 15:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
I think it might be time to overhaul Template:RuPaul's Drag Race. In my opinion, one template is no longer best for displaying all Wikipedia entries related to Drag Race. There's simply to many articles, and now too many fields are blurring (some queens are contestants and judges, Jinx won her season + All Stars, etc). I suggest we make Template:RuPaul's Drag Race specific to the parent article RuPaul's Drag Race (United States).
This overhaul would require us to have other navboxes for some specific franchises. I propose we create the following:
With these and Template:Drag Race, which I've just created based on Template:Big Brother, we could severely trim down Template:RuPaul's Drag Race and be more helpful to readers as a U.S.-specific template. We'll need to shuffle around the judges and some other entries in the "Related" section, but shouldn't be too difficult. Thoughts? Concerns? Help? Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:28, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I thought I'd list the cleanup and questions that I've done so that we have them in one place and I'm willing to undo if inappropriate
Naraht ( talk) 16:09, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Do we want a separate Template:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars? I'm on the fence... on one hand it'd be helpful to separate the two shows so they can display their own seasons, contestant/winners, and episodes, but on the other hand there would be a lot of duplication since many contestants have competed on both. Thoughts? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Do any other project members care to weigh in here? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Also, I've removed The Vivienne from Template:RuPaul's Drag Race. I think she's the only international queen to compete on All Stars, right? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Right now the following links from the RPDR:AS template are to articles that don't have the template in it. List of DR contestants (which are are talking about above, Santino Rice and Todrick Hall. We add to the articles for the former judges, right?
I just came across the Trixie and Katya article. I'm not sure we actually need it, although I guess there is some precedence on WP for joined articles where the subjects' BLPs are also separate (ie Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, then Mary-Kate Olsen and Ashley Olsen). I think it's redundant, but others may not. Wanted some extra eyes, as I didn't know it existed until just now. -- Kbabej ( talk) 16:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Hiiiiiiieeeee! I've opened a discussion on Raja's talk page about pronoun use in the article here. Would love input! -- Kbabej ( talk) 15:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Anyone able to add a title card or promotional artwork to the infobox at Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
We currently have the progress templates like Template:DragRaceProgressTable/14. I think it may be worth considering doing the same thing with the Contestant rankings. We basically have the same information in two places, for example: Drag Race France#Contestants and List_of_RuPaul's_Drag_Race_contestants#Drag_Race_France. I think our biggest issue is going to be creating a common color legend for some of the odder situations, but I think that we probably can do that from what we currently have on the Contestants page. Naraht ( talk) 15:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
RP:DU2 had a recent edit that include mention of the Michelle Visage interview for "How's your head, Queen". I *think* this is the equivalent to the UK, "How's your head, Hun" and in general the "Whatcha Packin" in that they are specifically with the eliminated queens.
It appears that Michelle has at least been nominated for an Emmy for the original. Naraht ( talk) 12:02, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Is it worthwhile in some way to indicate which finales were in front of a large audience (even if filmed with each of the finalists winning allowing for control of final information). Naraht ( talk) 22:13, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Project members are invited to participate in a discussion at Talk:Mo_Heart#Re:_"Heart"_as_last_name re: referring to Mo Heart as simply "Heart" throughout the Wikipedia entry. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Painted with Raven is in the Template:RuPaul's Drag Race, but the template isn't in the article. Are we good with it being in the template, and adding it to the article? And did we ever get a second season? Naraht ( talk) 16:20, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of which, anyone able to add title card or promotional artwork to the infobox? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | → | Archive 15 |
FYI: RuPaul’s Drag Race Night of the Living Drag
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
FYI, I've submitted a request for temporary page protection for Canada's Drag Race (season 3) due to persistent vandalism. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Looking through the Drag Race Franchise page, every international version is "active" (with either another season announced, in casting, in filming, or being broadcast) *other* than Chile (where "The switch" was never really treated as a normal version) and Holland. Does anyone know if DR Holland has been announced to be stopped or any other related info? Naraht ( talk) 14:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Is a project member more familiar with episode table construction able to help at Talk:God Shave the Queens? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Not specifically RPDR, but I've created a stub for Vanjie: 24 Hours of Love if any project members are interested in (tangentially) related programming. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone!
I’m Juan and I am happy to join this WikiProject! I just wanted to let y’all know that I started a draft article named: Draft:Drag Race Mexico. I know it’s a bit early, but I wanna get ready. If there’s more sources about the upcoming casting calls for the upcoming shows, add them! — JuanGLP ( talk) 23:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Well… my guess is that: the three upcoming shows my air in the same year, maybe either in 2023-24…? But that’s my guess. — JuanGLP ( talk) 23:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, okay no problem! This is the first time to react with other editors, even I started editing since December 2020. But thank you all for welcoming me! And remember children, we’re all born naked and the rest is drag! JuanGLP ( talk) 01:35, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
In Drag Race (Franchise) and the redirects, we are assuming that the names are going follow the "France/Philippines" pattern, i.e. Drag Race <countryname in English>. But I *really* don't think we've got any evidence from the Primary source. The announcements from Wow are simply a casting call *in the language*. So for Germany it is Deutchland mentioned, not Germany *and* the one for Brazil is Brasil (the proper spelling in Portuguese). Should the names on the Franchise page be changed to Citation needed? (I thought I'd ask here rather than on the talk page for the Franchise. Naraht ( talk) 07:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Created by DavidAnstiss and moved by that userfrom draft to mainspace at Plastique Tiara (Drag queen) , I corrected the disambiguation term from Drag queen to drag queen ( Plastique Tiara (drag queen)) (dab terms aren't capitalized, see Denali (drag queen) for example. I'm concerned that it should have been left in Draft until it could be evaluated. Plastique Tiara has been given *full* protection and would need to be deleted by an administrator before the article is moved to that place. Please express opinions on article here. Naraht ( talk) 17:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
If there's to be another notability discussion, please do so here: Talk:Plastique Tiara. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I think the next step is going to *have* to be a Plastique Tiara article in Draftspace, whether that is a restoration of the one that DavidAnstiss created or one started fresh that a few of us can work on. I think we are going to need at *least* two or three people here and probably Onel5969 (as AFD proposer for the last version). Notability can also be discussed at Talk:Plastique Tiara. Naraht ( talk)
Please comment at Talk:Plastique_Tiara#Notability. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 13:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
See related discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_September_28#Plastique_Tiara --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Cherry Valentine is the Collaboration of the Month for October 2022. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:25, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Feel free to review Rebecca Glasscock and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebecca Glasscock. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I've requested temporary page protection at Drag Race Italia (season 2) because of vandalism and edit warring. Project members are invited to discuss the back and forth on the Talk page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:12, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Precious Paula Nicole winner of DR Philippines has been created. Naraht ( talk) 03:43, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
So major news was announced throughout WOW's social media. — JuanGLP ( talk) 23:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Drag Race France - Season two announced, including its casting call.
Drag Race Philippines (Untucked) - Both seasons renewed, also it is a bit too early to create a season one page (unlike DRFR).
Drag Race Sverige (Untucked) - Main season coming soon with its companion series.
Drag Race España: All Stars - New show set to premiere after DRE3 in 2023.
Re: Draft:Drag Race vs the World. Are there any sources specifically about the concept, Drag Race vs the World?
If not, then we should not be creating an article for this topic. As far as I'm aware, there's simply UK vs the World and Canada vs the World, but these are both just spin-offs. There's no series called "Drag Race vs the World".
Can other editors please weigh in here, and can we consider updating Drag Race (franchise) so the vs spin-offs appear in the spin-offs table instead of the "Drag Race franchises by country" table? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
I've flagged the Drag Race vs. the World draft for deletion with JuanGLP's permission. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
The production company behind Drag Race España confirmed that there will be an All Stars season for the Spanish competition. I have made a redirect for Drag Race España: All Stars to Drag Race España. It appears to be the same thing for RDR All Stars (where it is exclusively for Paramount+), the All Stars will be only on the production company's streaming service. — JuanGLP ( talk) 16:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
In July 2020, I tried to request to rename Tyra Sanchez to James Ross (performer) because there is a lot sources confirmed that person is no longer called Tyra Sanchez. He quoted "For those asking, Tyra Sanchez has fulfilled her purpose in my life. I, James Ross, no longer want to be referred to as Tyra, Tyra Sanchez, her, she, girl, or queen." This is really purpose of rename this article. Sunrise In Brooklyn ✉ 14:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Would Template:RuPaul's Secret Celebrity Drag Race be helpful? There are now multiple seasons with many notable people involved. Of course, we'll learn more as season 2 airs soon, but something for us to consider in the meantime. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
When we first started adding sources to placement tables to minimize editwarring over how contestants were placed, the consensus at the time was that the source needed to be a third-party episode recap in something like Vulture, the AV Club or Xtra! -- but at some point that seems to have shifted to "just automatically fill out a {{ cite episode}} template with the title and date of the episode itself and be done with it".
The thing is, that's not a good approach for sourcing placements. Firstly, it fails to be quickly verifiable without actually watching the entire episode to figure out if it was right or not -- whereas any reliable episode recap will clearly name the winners, the bottom two and the sashay within a short read. And secondly, it also messes up the balance of reliable vs. primary sourcing in the season article itself -- the references get transcluded into the season article right alongside the template, and thus help to function as referencing for the season, so using the show's own episodes as circular sourcing in the placement tables instead of reliable source episode recaps has a very heavy impact on whether the article is properly sourced or not.
For example, RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars (season 7) has 17 footnotes, of which 12 are its own episodes metasourcing themselves -- which means it's currently based 70 per cent on primary sourcing that isn't support for notability at all, and even the very few third party sources actually in the article aren't entirely reliable or GNG-worthy ones either (e.g. Mashable, Digital Spy), meaning that somebody could genuinely argue that the season wasn't notable at all if circular verification of itself is almost all the sourcing it actually has to offer. Which is the most important reason why the sources need to be third-party recaps from real media, rather than just sourcing each episode to itself: showing that the season got covered by reliable sources is a critical component of establishing that the season is even notable enough to have its own standalone article in the first place, because the sourcing in the placement tables frequently accounts for considerably more than half of all the sourcing in the season's article itself. And similarly, the fact that the reliable source recaps I had already added to the Canada's Drag Race (season 2) placement table in the past recently got replaced with "episode metasourcing itself" citations also shifted that article from "15 reliable and properly notability-supporting citations and one Twitter tweet" to "10 primary sources, just four reliable or notability-supporting citations and a Twitter tweet" — but its balance of sourcing also has to be the former, not the latter, because an article that's depending two-thirds on primary-sourcing the topic to itself, instead of reliable or notability-supporting coverage about it, isn't actually establishing the topic's notability at all.
And for added bonus, the idea that each episode was acceptable as circular metaverification of its own content, with no need of any third-party sourcing, was precisely what got us into a lot of the problems we've had in Drag Race placement tables in the past -- the endless arguments about whether somebody was "high vs. safe", or "low vs. safe", often hinged on the idea that the episode itself circularly metaverified whatever position the edit warrior wanted it to, which is precisely why we started requiring independent and third party verification to be added to the placement tables in the first place.
So no, we cannot just "source" the placements in each Drag Race episode to the episode itself -- it has to be sourced to third party coverage about the episode in reliable sources other than the show itself, such as an episode recap in the likes of Vulture, the AV Club or Xtra. I'll grant that for some of the very old seasons, episode recaps or other sources might not be possible to locate anymore, and thus sourcing the episode to itself should be accepted as a last-resort move if third party sources can't be found — but when legitimate third party sources can be located, they have to be preferred over just reflexively sourcing each episode to itself across the board. Bearcat ( talk) 16:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
After looking at the way that the French and Italian Wikipedias are doing RPDR:Canada Season 3, I've noticed that the include the legal(?) names of the queens as well. It appears that it is policy, although I'm not sure where it is written that these are *not* included in the RPDR articles.
To pick a queen who is both notable and for whom their birth/legal name is open and as far as I know not even close to being a deadname, Bianca Del Rio. Her legal name "Roy Haylock" isn't anywhere on a page linked from from the RPDR template, but is on the page about her as well as that of some movies that they have done.
The effect of this is that if a queen does not have a page about her, there isn't a place on en.wiki for their legal name. As an example, the French page for Season 14 fr:Saison_14_de_RuPaul's_Drag_Race includes that the legal name for June Jambalaya is Tyron'e Porter. (Now they pull that from the fandom page which means it isn't referenced well enough for en.wiki, but that's not relevant for this.) there is no place on en.wiki for that piece of information.
Not sure we've written that down anywhere, but I wanted to point it out for discussion so at worst, we can point editors to this in the archives.... Naraht ( talk) 16:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
In splitting out the templates, we appear to have that template be USA only, but there are at least two entries in related which don't fit. One of them is that DragCon UK is linked to (along with the LA and NYC drag cons) and the other is whether RuPaul's Drag Race terminology is exclusively American (the fact that Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve and Talent is included would tend to say no). Should either RuPaul's DragCon UK be moved to the UK, or should all of these get moved to the franchise level template. Naraht ( talk) 03:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
(If I don't mention it, I *completely* feel it should remain in the US specific)
Naraht ( talk) 14:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
I moved the following entries from the US to the franchise.
Naraht ( talk) 15:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
I think it might be time to overhaul Template:RuPaul's Drag Race. In my opinion, one template is no longer best for displaying all Wikipedia entries related to Drag Race. There's simply to many articles, and now too many fields are blurring (some queens are contestants and judges, Jinx won her season + All Stars, etc). I suggest we make Template:RuPaul's Drag Race specific to the parent article RuPaul's Drag Race (United States).
This overhaul would require us to have other navboxes for some specific franchises. I propose we create the following:
With these and Template:Drag Race, which I've just created based on Template:Big Brother, we could severely trim down Template:RuPaul's Drag Race and be more helpful to readers as a U.S.-specific template. We'll need to shuffle around the judges and some other entries in the "Related" section, but shouldn't be too difficult. Thoughts? Concerns? Help? Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:28, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I thought I'd list the cleanup and questions that I've done so that we have them in one place and I'm willing to undo if inappropriate
Naraht ( talk) 16:09, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Do we want a separate Template:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars? I'm on the fence... on one hand it'd be helpful to separate the two shows so they can display their own seasons, contestant/winners, and episodes, but on the other hand there would be a lot of duplication since many contestants have competed on both. Thoughts? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Do any other project members care to weigh in here? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Also, I've removed The Vivienne from Template:RuPaul's Drag Race. I think she's the only international queen to compete on All Stars, right? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Right now the following links from the RPDR:AS template are to articles that don't have the template in it. List of DR contestants (which are are talking about above, Santino Rice and Todrick Hall. We add to the articles for the former judges, right?
I just came across the Trixie and Katya article. I'm not sure we actually need it, although I guess there is some precedence on WP for joined articles where the subjects' BLPs are also separate (ie Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, then Mary-Kate Olsen and Ashley Olsen). I think it's redundant, but others may not. Wanted some extra eyes, as I didn't know it existed until just now. -- Kbabej ( talk) 16:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Hiiiiiiieeeee! I've opened a discussion on Raja's talk page about pronoun use in the article here. Would love input! -- Kbabej ( talk) 15:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Anyone able to add a title card or promotional artwork to the infobox at Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
We currently have the progress templates like Template:DragRaceProgressTable/14. I think it may be worth considering doing the same thing with the Contestant rankings. We basically have the same information in two places, for example: Drag Race France#Contestants and List_of_RuPaul's_Drag_Race_contestants#Drag_Race_France. I think our biggest issue is going to be creating a common color legend for some of the odder situations, but I think that we probably can do that from what we currently have on the Contestants page. Naraht ( talk) 15:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
RP:DU2 had a recent edit that include mention of the Michelle Visage interview for "How's your head, Queen". I *think* this is the equivalent to the UK, "How's your head, Hun" and in general the "Whatcha Packin" in that they are specifically with the eliminated queens.
It appears that Michelle has at least been nominated for an Emmy for the original. Naraht ( talk) 12:02, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Is it worthwhile in some way to indicate which finales were in front of a large audience (even if filmed with each of the finalists winning allowing for control of final information). Naraht ( talk) 22:13, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Project members are invited to participate in a discussion at Talk:Mo_Heart#Re:_"Heart"_as_last_name re: referring to Mo Heart as simply "Heart" throughout the Wikipedia entry. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Painted with Raven is in the Template:RuPaul's Drag Race, but the template isn't in the article. Are we good with it being in the template, and adding it to the article? And did we ever get a second season? Naraht ( talk) 16:20, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of which, anyone able to add title card or promotional artwork to the infobox? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)