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Why is this notable? Are we going to put in the Korean names as well? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 14:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Doctor Who Chronology. Original research? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC) 09:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
So what do we do with it? Rewrite it? Josiah, can you maybe drop a note to the editors contributing to the article explaining our concerns? There's Coreman and an anon (whom I think are the same person). -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Given the BF production codes, and that most BF audios do mention in their liner notes where they're set, can we justify a TV-and-audio only list? I had assumed that the Doctor Who Chronology page was intending to include the novels, which can't really be done without original research, but maybe if we frame the list in terms of how the audios are intended by their publisher to fit into the TV series' narrative it wouldn't be OR. (The only problem then would be the "side-step" stories — does Hex come before or after Benny?) The page might have to be moved to something like Chronology of Big Finish Doctor Who releases, but that might be a way to keep it. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
It may well be a gargantuan effort — and probably a complete waste of time — but I've started a list of Doctor Who broadcasters at this temp page here. Anybody feel like lending a hand? It's going to requite quite a bit of effort, but I thought it'd be preferable to try and get a proper page together than just a random listing like we have in the Viewership section of the main article.
Any assistance very welcome, anyway! Angmering 18:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
You may remember that, back in the sands of time, we had a bit of a discussion about whether to write out story names like " this", or like this; and the latter won out? Well, it looks like our pals at Wikipedia:WikiProject Buffy are following our example and have started to write out their titles in the same fashion. How incredibly flattering! <blushes>
I think that this is a sign that, if nothing else, we really are doing something right. NP Chilla 13:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed that the articles on the Big Finish audios don’t provide release date information. Is there a general consensus that this info is to trivial to include? If not, can anyone suggest a non-intrusive way to include these dates into the format? Justin Foote 00:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Can people help with the infoboxes? If one guy takes care of one Doctor, it should go faster. If you need help calculating the running times, you can find a time math calculator here. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
As I add the infoboxes to pages like Loups-Garoux, I'm noticing that I'm eliminating one piece of information: who did the cover art. (It used to be in the caption.) Is that OK? Do we want to have a "cover art" field as well, or should the cover artist be mentioned in the "notes" section? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
One more thing - I realise that Big Finish isn't consistent in whether or not they have slashes in the production codes, i.e. 7C/A or 7CPRE-A, but for consistency's sake, I think we should decide on one or the other. Personally, I'd leave the slashes out, for completely arbitrary reasons. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
And another question — does anybody know offhand when Jac Rayner stopped being listed as executive producer on the Big Finish audios? Or do I have to go through all those liner notes to find out? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I have completed the Sixth Doctor's audio dramas, bar the following if anyone would be so kind: Thicker than Water needs producers and length, Cryptobiosis needs length. Also if anyone knows where Thicker than Water fits in Mel's continuity, please add I have put the set between for Evelyn. Currently Real Time has a standard serial box rather than the new big finish box, shall we change it over? Tim | meep in my general direction 08:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Are we done with the infoboxes for existing pages? If so, I'll start making the pages for Pier Pressure and Night Thoughts... — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Look, we're all fans here, but this is really crossing into fancruft territory. We already make references to where stuff comes from in the notes of the articles; do we really need some kind of central repository? Who honestly cares that much? And will they even think to look? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 05:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
{{doctor-who}}
boxes to include
TorchwoodYou know how we've put Totally Doctor Who up on the Big Doctor Who Box of Death? Well, why not put Torchwood up there as well? I mean, it is meatier than Totally, and it is certainly interesting. And let's not forget - the more exposure, the better! NP Chilla 21:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Just in case you hadn't noticed: TARDIS is now Today's featured article on the Main Page. Congratulations to all Project members who have worked on the article and brought it to its current, excellent condition. Of course, being on the front page does mean that the article will probably attract more than its usual share of vandals today. The recent changes patrollers are usually good about taking care of this, but we should keep an eye on it as well. (Some vandals may also target pages linked from TARDIS, which we might be more likely to catch.)
While I'm thinking about it, I think the WikiProject as a whole deserves this:
A notice to all: I've changed some instances of Image:Drwhostub-02.JPG to Image:Earls_Court_Police_Box.jpg because I think it's more illustrative of the TARDIS in my opinion. Thank Mindspillage for the idea. [2].-- Sean Black (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a standard format in the episode articles about technical and scientific errors? I think these are worth noting because Doctor Who was originally sold as a semi-educational series, and aired on PBS in America as a result of this. I seem to recall a few with headlines, but I can't find them now. Perhaps they have moved to the notes section - but notes usually are about the production details. Some examples of what I have in mind:
Should we add sample articles for the books and audios to the sample section on the main project page? Angmering 15:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Is it OK to borrow the cover images from the Big Finish website, or do we need to scan our own copies? (If it's the latter, someone else will have to do it for Pier Pressure and Night Thoughts, 'cause I don't have a scanner.) — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 16:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I've put infoboxes on the Doctor Who Unbound pages, but they need cover images as well. No rush, but whenever somebody gets around to it. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Do any of the articles discuss the various logos the series has had over the years? I think there might be some worthwhile discussion with such a page, with the 1996 movie borrowing Pertwee's logo, the controversy over the new "lozenge" logo, and now the Sci-Fi Channel is using a brand new logo for its promotions which looks like a cross between Pertwee's logo and the logo from the Man From UNCLE. 23skidoo 15:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Did anybody in the US see how Sci Fi fit Rose and The End of the World into one-hour timeslots? At the moment, Doctor Who in America just says what was speculated. I missed it on Friday, but should be able to catch it Sunday. In the meantime, I'm curious. -- Christopherlin 16:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm in Canada but followed along with the TrekBBS running discussion thread (reaction to the new show was mixed at best, with some folks loving it and others calling it garbage). The impression I got was the two episodes were edited together, and there were some scenes cut, most regretably Cassandra's introduction to the Britney Spears song. Apparently there were a ton of commercial breaks, suggesting Sci-Fi paid a ton of money to show it. In terms of ratings we should hear initial overnights pretty soon, although it should be noted that the Sci-Fi Channel is not considered a major network so its ratings don't get the same press NBC, CBS, ABC or Fox do. 23skidoo 23:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Still no word on ratings. If this were Star Trek we'd have had every percentage point analysed on the BBS boards by now... 23skidoo 20:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
If an article were to be written about the BBV Auton Trilogy, should it be restricted to one blanket article or should there be an article for each video? Justin Foote 22:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I suppose this is still too future-ish to make it into any of our articles, but thought y'all might be interested in this BBC news story which uses Doctor Who as the example of BBC programming which may be available for download soon. It sounds like it'll be restricted with lots of DRM, and possibly only available in the UK (at least at the beginning — in the video linked from the article, the BBC's new media guy hints that overseas customers may be able to pay for downloads at some stage). But I guess we're getting closer to being able to download Doctor Who onto our computers (legally). — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 06:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
The new series has just been nominated for 3 Hugo Awards [5]. The only other TV episode that has been nominated is an instalment of Battlestar Galactica. Also nominated in the controversial Short Form category - which two years ago honored an acceptance speech over episodes of Enterprise and Firefly - is a Pixar animated short, another short film, and the previous year's Hugo Awards ceremony broadcast. I'm not sure the best place to put this so I'll let others decide. 23skidoo 16:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyway. This Hugo ballot will be bizarre. Usually they're limited to 5 nominees but I guess there was a 3-way tie for fifth place so there are 7. http://www.laconiv.org/2006/hugos/nominees.htm Claudia 05:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Does this artical really need to exist? Most of what's already in there is either in City of Death or under Scaroth anyway. Would a merger/deletion be appropriate? NP Chilla 22:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, forget I said anything - no sooner had I typed this, than it disappeared (which is more than a little efficient!). Sorry about the white elephant chase...! NP Chilla 22:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
It'll take me a couple days to finish this, but I've started adding notes regarding the novelizations to the individual serial articles. I think it's a legitimate addition to the trivia. 23skidoo 07:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I also made a list of Target Books' Doctor Who novelisations for anyone interested. Tim ( meep) 20:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
The new series has received two Viewer's Choice nominations in the Canadian Space Channel's "Spacey" awards. Visitors to this site can vote for Doctor Who in the category of Favourite Series and for Rose Tyler in the category of Favourite New TV Character. 23skidoo 17:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I added dates to the Series 2 episode pages, based on the April 15 date for New Earth. However, I haven't changed the text about "Spring 2006" in the opening paragraphs, in part because I wasn't sure whether to say that the later dates were confirmed by DWM (are they?) and in part because after I finished adding the dates, I remembered RTD's comment about how the episode order may change. Thoughts? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 04:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that several of these sections are a bit messy, and we need to agree how best to format them. Currently, we have the role followed by a dash followed by the actor's name. The dashes are a mixture of mdashes ndashes and hyphens. If this is the chosen format we should choose which dash to use. Alternatively we could tabulate the cast. I have done this to the cast section on The Twin Dilemma, but somehow it looks a bit weedy. Opinions please! Tim ( meep) 21:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Both em and en dash are on the tool bar below the save page, show preview and show changes buttons between ə and … I dont think there is a windows shortcut, but MS Word does automatically susbtitute a hyphen for a dash when typing (not sure if em or en). Tim ( meep) 16:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh there is a shortcut which is hold down alt and key 0150 on the keyboard's numberpad, but that doesn't seem particulalrly short :-> Tim ( meep) 16:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I have added the suggestion to the details of the episode format on the WikiProject page. One further issue, as we are now listing the cast I think it would be better to link to the BBC episode page for each serial rather than the cast i.e. Episode guide to An Unearthly Child at the BBC ... instead of cast and crew .... Tim ( meep) 08:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I just picked up the "The Beginning" DVD which contained the first DVD releases of Unearthly Child/Daleks/Edge of Destruction. I was quite surprised to discover that the DVD releases of these serials use the original videotape elements. The previous VHS releases of these shows, plus the versions aired on PBS and YTV Canada, had been transferred to film (I assume kinescope or a similar format). I'm not quite sure where to note this, but it's worth mentioning somewhere. The old serials actually look rather striking in clear video as opposed to the slightly fuzzy film of years past. 23skidoo 03:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I think Doctor Who incidental music is not very well represented at the moment. I have been compiling a list of composers and set this out below. As far as I can see, this is a complete list of all Doctor Who composers (apart from where existing works were used (examples: Stock music used in the 1960s; Pink Floyd track used in Spearhead From Space; Keff McCulloch's cover versions)).
Ron Grainer Delia Derbyshire Norman Kay Tristram Cary Dudley Simpson Stanley Myers Carey Blyton Richard Rodney Bennett Francis Chagrin Raymond Jones Humphrey Searle BBC Radiophonic Workshop Don Harper Malcolm Clarke Geoffrey Burgon Peter Howell Paddy Kingsland Roger Limb Jonathan Gibbs Elizabeth Parker Dominic Glynn Richard Hartley Keff McCulloch Mark Ayres John Debney Murray Gold
Not sure if Malcolm Lockyer qualifies. You will see a lot of red links. I have added "Doctor Who composer" category to about six of these in the last few days. I do not think a template is appropriate, because most of these are famous for other work too. But it is surprising that there is no Dudley Simpson article yet, so perhaps others could consider writing up some of the missing names. I will have a go (time permitting) too. DavidFarmbrough 14:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Apologies for being slightly off topic, but could I draw the attention of one of the WikiProject's admins to the short thread at Template talk:Imdb title#Linked text? As the template is protected it needs an admin to make the change. (I'm not sure whether it needs discussion anywhere else first - the template's talk page was the obvious place.) Thanks. — Wh o uk ( talk) 18:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
CzechOut ( talk · contribs) is creating articles for the PDAs at the moment, so we're probably going to need to start sorting them into Category:First Doctor novels, etc. at some point. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 05:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
As a note, I've changed (or will) all the template boxes so that blank fields will not be displayed. This will allow us not to have to put "None" or "N/A" in those fields that have no info anymore. We may want to slowly start changing those (or leave it as is in case people wonder why there's nothing for those fields...). -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 11:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth giving these little snippets an article of their own? NP Chilla 12:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I've just signed up to Wikipedia today, although I've used it for research for some months now. Apologies if I'm in the wrong place or making mistakes - I have nosed around guidelines and sandboxes but there is a lot to try to take in.
Anyway, I was looking at Wikipedia's entries for prime numbers and the Riemann Hypothesis and noted that Lloyd Rose's book [[ The Algebra of Ice]] is actually an action=edit non-stub [7] - now, I don't know that Wikimathematicians would necessarily be interested in a link, but I suspect that it would be quite useful for Wikiwhoies (is that what we're called?). I remember a precedent in that Reckless Engineering is listed in Further Reading at the Isambard Kingdom Brunel entry.
I notice that the BBC Books ranges have many red entries, and I should be happy to contribute in this field. Would such contributions be welcome, and if so, to whom should I talk?
I live in Johannesburg, RSA, but grew up in the UK on a diet of Target novelisations and Tom Baker. The 2005 series has not yet been shown in South Africa, but I acquired the DVD box set last Christmas. I am male, 34.
It seems that more and more new articles for the novels are being created; of course, there's nothing wrong with that, such a stroke should be applauded, but they all seem terribly thin, without even a plot synopsis or continuity notes section between them. Anyone have any ideas on how we can organise them/fatten them up? NP Chilla 16:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I started this new article to cover the various sketches and spoofs of Doctor Who and would appreciate any additions to it. Tim ( meep) 20:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Would it be worth having an errors page so that those of us who merely browse wikipedia could flag stuff for the team to check, rather than fiddle about and possibly undo changes which were made for a reason? So, for example, rather than me trying to edit out "the first companion from an ethnic minority" in the Anji Kapoor entry and put it in the Roz Forrester entry, I'd flag it up for you guys to change (or clarify the reasoning e.g. in the C30th Roz wasn't from a minority). This would reduce duplication of effort, perhaps? -- Magslhalliday
I added comments today to the Doctor Who "spin-off" page, only to discover that prior to my comments khaosworks had apparently attempted to move the conversation here. The conversation, which seems to have come from TimPope's query on how to condense the article, was quite old, though, so perhaps we've moved on. Still, it's really nagging at me, so, if you don't mind, I'll reduce my arguments on the article's Talk page here. I don't understand how we're using the term "spin-off" throughout the wikiproject. It seems inconsistent with the way that spin-off is defined outside the project. How on God's green Earth, for example, is a novelisation a "spin-off"? It's simply a novelisation, or maybe, if you really felt the need to give it another name, a tie-in.
It seems to me that the way forward in terms of condensing that article is to keep only those things that are genuine spin-offs in that article--Miranda, Faction Paradise, Torchwood, K9 & Company, Sarah Jane Smith, etc. Then, create another article, called "Doctor Who in other media", which would be the "umbrella article" for the various kinds of Doctor Who novels, comics, and audios which actually star the Doctor. Then, the recently-started "Doctor Who Merchandise" would be a third article, but not directly linked to the first two articles.
As things stand now, I really think the first line of the article Doctor Who spin-offs is an outright inaccuracy, which is why later in the introduction the author(s) have had to take pains to say that they're not like other science fiction spin-offs. The dissimilarity isn't because Doctor Who is a "special" phenomenon. They aren't like other spin-offs because they're not spin-offs. CzechOut 15:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
His relationship to Doctor Who is a bit tangential, so I thought folks here might not notice that I'd created a stub for Nev Fountain. I did a smattering of research, but I'll wager that there are members of the WikiProject who can add a fair bit more info. (For example, I don't even know whether his full name is Neville, as one might expect — I found only one reference to him as "Neville Fountain", and it's in an article that also mentions "Christopher Ecclestone", so I don't have much confidence in its fact-checking.)
Anyway, the page is there if anyone wants to do anything to it. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Having a bit of a discussion on Talk:Lady Serena if anyone hasn't noticed yet. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
For anyone interested, I've created an article based on the (rather good) BBV production The Airzone Solution, which I just watched for the first time. There are still a few things missing from the article such as images and an infobox, but it's a start. 23skidoo 01:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
SGCommand ( talk · contribs) created this recently and asked for help in expanding it. I've done an initial cleanup but it needs more looking at and expansion. Just a heads-up. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Please also look in on Talk:List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens, as the page is growing unweildy. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I created the page today. It already has a redirect from Doctor Who cliches. proteus71 20:50, 11 Apr 2006
You don't need to consult an outside source to state the obvious. Is there a serious DW fan alive who hasn't once noticed that their favorite SF program has a lot of corridors? Too many planets that look like quarries? That the Master survives once too often in the JNT years? That a lot of small understaffed bases find themselves under siege from aliens? If I'm the only one who noticed this since 1963, the page should go. If I'm not, then the page should stay. If some of the words I wrote need to go, fine; that's the point of Wikipedia. But the ideas are accurate -- and, dare I say, not original to anyone who has every asked themselves about how DW production teams created their output from script to screen inclusive.
To put it another way, this page documents what fans have noticed since before some of us were born. If I put it into writing first (and I don't think I have), that doesn't make the intellectual content my personal POV. It just means there existed a small oral tradition that finally got written down. And if I made any mistakes, this was the right place to make them, since all of you have the right to edit them and make the article better for it. proteus71 20:41, 12 Apr 2006 (UTC)
To everyone: does that mean we can CSD the article, or AFD this as original research? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 07:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:Spearhead from Space. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I just came upon this. I'd be inclined to merge it into one of the lists, but it doesn't quite fit any of them. Thoughts? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
List of Doctor who Airdates — redirect to List of Doctor Who serials?
Doctor Who: Podshock — are podcasts notable? Is this podcast notable?
Tim! 22:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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Why is this notable? Are we going to put in the Korean names as well? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 14:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Doctor Who Chronology. Original research? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC) 09:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
So what do we do with it? Rewrite it? Josiah, can you maybe drop a note to the editors contributing to the article explaining our concerns? There's Coreman and an anon (whom I think are the same person). -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Given the BF production codes, and that most BF audios do mention in their liner notes where they're set, can we justify a TV-and-audio only list? I had assumed that the Doctor Who Chronology page was intending to include the novels, which can't really be done without original research, but maybe if we frame the list in terms of how the audios are intended by their publisher to fit into the TV series' narrative it wouldn't be OR. (The only problem then would be the "side-step" stories — does Hex come before or after Benny?) The page might have to be moved to something like Chronology of Big Finish Doctor Who releases, but that might be a way to keep it. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
It may well be a gargantuan effort — and probably a complete waste of time — but I've started a list of Doctor Who broadcasters at this temp page here. Anybody feel like lending a hand? It's going to requite quite a bit of effort, but I thought it'd be preferable to try and get a proper page together than just a random listing like we have in the Viewership section of the main article.
Any assistance very welcome, anyway! Angmering 18:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
You may remember that, back in the sands of time, we had a bit of a discussion about whether to write out story names like " this", or like this; and the latter won out? Well, it looks like our pals at Wikipedia:WikiProject Buffy are following our example and have started to write out their titles in the same fashion. How incredibly flattering! <blushes>
I think that this is a sign that, if nothing else, we really are doing something right. NP Chilla 13:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed that the articles on the Big Finish audios don’t provide release date information. Is there a general consensus that this info is to trivial to include? If not, can anyone suggest a non-intrusive way to include these dates into the format? Justin Foote 00:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Can people help with the infoboxes? If one guy takes care of one Doctor, it should go faster. If you need help calculating the running times, you can find a time math calculator here. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
As I add the infoboxes to pages like Loups-Garoux, I'm noticing that I'm eliminating one piece of information: who did the cover art. (It used to be in the caption.) Is that OK? Do we want to have a "cover art" field as well, or should the cover artist be mentioned in the "notes" section? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
One more thing - I realise that Big Finish isn't consistent in whether or not they have slashes in the production codes, i.e. 7C/A or 7CPRE-A, but for consistency's sake, I think we should decide on one or the other. Personally, I'd leave the slashes out, for completely arbitrary reasons. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
And another question — does anybody know offhand when Jac Rayner stopped being listed as executive producer on the Big Finish audios? Or do I have to go through all those liner notes to find out? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I have completed the Sixth Doctor's audio dramas, bar the following if anyone would be so kind: Thicker than Water needs producers and length, Cryptobiosis needs length. Also if anyone knows where Thicker than Water fits in Mel's continuity, please add I have put the set between for Evelyn. Currently Real Time has a standard serial box rather than the new big finish box, shall we change it over? Tim | meep in my general direction 08:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Are we done with the infoboxes for existing pages? If so, I'll start making the pages for Pier Pressure and Night Thoughts... — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Look, we're all fans here, but this is really crossing into fancruft territory. We already make references to where stuff comes from in the notes of the articles; do we really need some kind of central repository? Who honestly cares that much? And will they even think to look? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 05:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
{{doctor-who}}
boxes to include
TorchwoodYou know how we've put Totally Doctor Who up on the Big Doctor Who Box of Death? Well, why not put Torchwood up there as well? I mean, it is meatier than Totally, and it is certainly interesting. And let's not forget - the more exposure, the better! NP Chilla 21:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Just in case you hadn't noticed: TARDIS is now Today's featured article on the Main Page. Congratulations to all Project members who have worked on the article and brought it to its current, excellent condition. Of course, being on the front page does mean that the article will probably attract more than its usual share of vandals today. The recent changes patrollers are usually good about taking care of this, but we should keep an eye on it as well. (Some vandals may also target pages linked from TARDIS, which we might be more likely to catch.)
While I'm thinking about it, I think the WikiProject as a whole deserves this:
A notice to all: I've changed some instances of Image:Drwhostub-02.JPG to Image:Earls_Court_Police_Box.jpg because I think it's more illustrative of the TARDIS in my opinion. Thank Mindspillage for the idea. [2].-- Sean Black (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a standard format in the episode articles about technical and scientific errors? I think these are worth noting because Doctor Who was originally sold as a semi-educational series, and aired on PBS in America as a result of this. I seem to recall a few with headlines, but I can't find them now. Perhaps they have moved to the notes section - but notes usually are about the production details. Some examples of what I have in mind:
Should we add sample articles for the books and audios to the sample section on the main project page? Angmering 15:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Is it OK to borrow the cover images from the Big Finish website, or do we need to scan our own copies? (If it's the latter, someone else will have to do it for Pier Pressure and Night Thoughts, 'cause I don't have a scanner.) — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 16:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I've put infoboxes on the Doctor Who Unbound pages, but they need cover images as well. No rush, but whenever somebody gets around to it. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Do any of the articles discuss the various logos the series has had over the years? I think there might be some worthwhile discussion with such a page, with the 1996 movie borrowing Pertwee's logo, the controversy over the new "lozenge" logo, and now the Sci-Fi Channel is using a brand new logo for its promotions which looks like a cross between Pertwee's logo and the logo from the Man From UNCLE. 23skidoo 15:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Did anybody in the US see how Sci Fi fit Rose and The End of the World into one-hour timeslots? At the moment, Doctor Who in America just says what was speculated. I missed it on Friday, but should be able to catch it Sunday. In the meantime, I'm curious. -- Christopherlin 16:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm in Canada but followed along with the TrekBBS running discussion thread (reaction to the new show was mixed at best, with some folks loving it and others calling it garbage). The impression I got was the two episodes were edited together, and there were some scenes cut, most regretably Cassandra's introduction to the Britney Spears song. Apparently there were a ton of commercial breaks, suggesting Sci-Fi paid a ton of money to show it. In terms of ratings we should hear initial overnights pretty soon, although it should be noted that the Sci-Fi Channel is not considered a major network so its ratings don't get the same press NBC, CBS, ABC or Fox do. 23skidoo 23:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Still no word on ratings. If this were Star Trek we'd have had every percentage point analysed on the BBS boards by now... 23skidoo 20:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
If an article were to be written about the BBV Auton Trilogy, should it be restricted to one blanket article or should there be an article for each video? Justin Foote 22:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I suppose this is still too future-ish to make it into any of our articles, but thought y'all might be interested in this BBC news story which uses Doctor Who as the example of BBC programming which may be available for download soon. It sounds like it'll be restricted with lots of DRM, and possibly only available in the UK (at least at the beginning — in the video linked from the article, the BBC's new media guy hints that overseas customers may be able to pay for downloads at some stage). But I guess we're getting closer to being able to download Doctor Who onto our computers (legally). — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 06:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
The new series has just been nominated for 3 Hugo Awards [5]. The only other TV episode that has been nominated is an instalment of Battlestar Galactica. Also nominated in the controversial Short Form category - which two years ago honored an acceptance speech over episodes of Enterprise and Firefly - is a Pixar animated short, another short film, and the previous year's Hugo Awards ceremony broadcast. I'm not sure the best place to put this so I'll let others decide. 23skidoo 16:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyway. This Hugo ballot will be bizarre. Usually they're limited to 5 nominees but I guess there was a 3-way tie for fifth place so there are 7. http://www.laconiv.org/2006/hugos/nominees.htm Claudia 05:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Does this artical really need to exist? Most of what's already in there is either in City of Death or under Scaroth anyway. Would a merger/deletion be appropriate? NP Chilla 22:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, forget I said anything - no sooner had I typed this, than it disappeared (which is more than a little efficient!). Sorry about the white elephant chase...! NP Chilla 22:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
It'll take me a couple days to finish this, but I've started adding notes regarding the novelizations to the individual serial articles. I think it's a legitimate addition to the trivia. 23skidoo 07:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I also made a list of Target Books' Doctor Who novelisations for anyone interested. Tim ( meep) 20:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
The new series has received two Viewer's Choice nominations in the Canadian Space Channel's "Spacey" awards. Visitors to this site can vote for Doctor Who in the category of Favourite Series and for Rose Tyler in the category of Favourite New TV Character. 23skidoo 17:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I added dates to the Series 2 episode pages, based on the April 15 date for New Earth. However, I haven't changed the text about "Spring 2006" in the opening paragraphs, in part because I wasn't sure whether to say that the later dates were confirmed by DWM (are they?) and in part because after I finished adding the dates, I remembered RTD's comment about how the episode order may change. Thoughts? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 04:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that several of these sections are a bit messy, and we need to agree how best to format them. Currently, we have the role followed by a dash followed by the actor's name. The dashes are a mixture of mdashes ndashes and hyphens. If this is the chosen format we should choose which dash to use. Alternatively we could tabulate the cast. I have done this to the cast section on The Twin Dilemma, but somehow it looks a bit weedy. Opinions please! Tim ( meep) 21:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Both em and en dash are on the tool bar below the save page, show preview and show changes buttons between ə and … I dont think there is a windows shortcut, but MS Word does automatically susbtitute a hyphen for a dash when typing (not sure if em or en). Tim ( meep) 16:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh there is a shortcut which is hold down alt and key 0150 on the keyboard's numberpad, but that doesn't seem particulalrly short :-> Tim ( meep) 16:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I have added the suggestion to the details of the episode format on the WikiProject page. One further issue, as we are now listing the cast I think it would be better to link to the BBC episode page for each serial rather than the cast i.e. Episode guide to An Unearthly Child at the BBC ... instead of cast and crew .... Tim ( meep) 08:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I just picked up the "The Beginning" DVD which contained the first DVD releases of Unearthly Child/Daleks/Edge of Destruction. I was quite surprised to discover that the DVD releases of these serials use the original videotape elements. The previous VHS releases of these shows, plus the versions aired on PBS and YTV Canada, had been transferred to film (I assume kinescope or a similar format). I'm not quite sure where to note this, but it's worth mentioning somewhere. The old serials actually look rather striking in clear video as opposed to the slightly fuzzy film of years past. 23skidoo 03:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I think Doctor Who incidental music is not very well represented at the moment. I have been compiling a list of composers and set this out below. As far as I can see, this is a complete list of all Doctor Who composers (apart from where existing works were used (examples: Stock music used in the 1960s; Pink Floyd track used in Spearhead From Space; Keff McCulloch's cover versions)).
Ron Grainer Delia Derbyshire Norman Kay Tristram Cary Dudley Simpson Stanley Myers Carey Blyton Richard Rodney Bennett Francis Chagrin Raymond Jones Humphrey Searle BBC Radiophonic Workshop Don Harper Malcolm Clarke Geoffrey Burgon Peter Howell Paddy Kingsland Roger Limb Jonathan Gibbs Elizabeth Parker Dominic Glynn Richard Hartley Keff McCulloch Mark Ayres John Debney Murray Gold
Not sure if Malcolm Lockyer qualifies. You will see a lot of red links. I have added "Doctor Who composer" category to about six of these in the last few days. I do not think a template is appropriate, because most of these are famous for other work too. But it is surprising that there is no Dudley Simpson article yet, so perhaps others could consider writing up some of the missing names. I will have a go (time permitting) too. DavidFarmbrough 14:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Apologies for being slightly off topic, but could I draw the attention of one of the WikiProject's admins to the short thread at Template talk:Imdb title#Linked text? As the template is protected it needs an admin to make the change. (I'm not sure whether it needs discussion anywhere else first - the template's talk page was the obvious place.) Thanks. — Wh o uk ( talk) 18:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
CzechOut ( talk · contribs) is creating articles for the PDAs at the moment, so we're probably going to need to start sorting them into Category:First Doctor novels, etc. at some point. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 05:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
As a note, I've changed (or will) all the template boxes so that blank fields will not be displayed. This will allow us not to have to put "None" or "N/A" in those fields that have no info anymore. We may want to slowly start changing those (or leave it as is in case people wonder why there's nothing for those fields...). -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 11:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth giving these little snippets an article of their own? NP Chilla 12:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I've just signed up to Wikipedia today, although I've used it for research for some months now. Apologies if I'm in the wrong place or making mistakes - I have nosed around guidelines and sandboxes but there is a lot to try to take in.
Anyway, I was looking at Wikipedia's entries for prime numbers and the Riemann Hypothesis and noted that Lloyd Rose's book [[ The Algebra of Ice]] is actually an action=edit non-stub [7] - now, I don't know that Wikimathematicians would necessarily be interested in a link, but I suspect that it would be quite useful for Wikiwhoies (is that what we're called?). I remember a precedent in that Reckless Engineering is listed in Further Reading at the Isambard Kingdom Brunel entry.
I notice that the BBC Books ranges have many red entries, and I should be happy to contribute in this field. Would such contributions be welcome, and if so, to whom should I talk?
I live in Johannesburg, RSA, but grew up in the UK on a diet of Target novelisations and Tom Baker. The 2005 series has not yet been shown in South Africa, but I acquired the DVD box set last Christmas. I am male, 34.
It seems that more and more new articles for the novels are being created; of course, there's nothing wrong with that, such a stroke should be applauded, but they all seem terribly thin, without even a plot synopsis or continuity notes section between them. Anyone have any ideas on how we can organise them/fatten them up? NP Chilla 16:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I started this new article to cover the various sketches and spoofs of Doctor Who and would appreciate any additions to it. Tim ( meep) 20:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Would it be worth having an errors page so that those of us who merely browse wikipedia could flag stuff for the team to check, rather than fiddle about and possibly undo changes which were made for a reason? So, for example, rather than me trying to edit out "the first companion from an ethnic minority" in the Anji Kapoor entry and put it in the Roz Forrester entry, I'd flag it up for you guys to change (or clarify the reasoning e.g. in the C30th Roz wasn't from a minority). This would reduce duplication of effort, perhaps? -- Magslhalliday
I added comments today to the Doctor Who "spin-off" page, only to discover that prior to my comments khaosworks had apparently attempted to move the conversation here. The conversation, which seems to have come from TimPope's query on how to condense the article, was quite old, though, so perhaps we've moved on. Still, it's really nagging at me, so, if you don't mind, I'll reduce my arguments on the article's Talk page here. I don't understand how we're using the term "spin-off" throughout the wikiproject. It seems inconsistent with the way that spin-off is defined outside the project. How on God's green Earth, for example, is a novelisation a "spin-off"? It's simply a novelisation, or maybe, if you really felt the need to give it another name, a tie-in.
It seems to me that the way forward in terms of condensing that article is to keep only those things that are genuine spin-offs in that article--Miranda, Faction Paradise, Torchwood, K9 & Company, Sarah Jane Smith, etc. Then, create another article, called "Doctor Who in other media", which would be the "umbrella article" for the various kinds of Doctor Who novels, comics, and audios which actually star the Doctor. Then, the recently-started "Doctor Who Merchandise" would be a third article, but not directly linked to the first two articles.
As things stand now, I really think the first line of the article Doctor Who spin-offs is an outright inaccuracy, which is why later in the introduction the author(s) have had to take pains to say that they're not like other science fiction spin-offs. The dissimilarity isn't because Doctor Who is a "special" phenomenon. They aren't like other spin-offs because they're not spin-offs. CzechOut 15:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
His relationship to Doctor Who is a bit tangential, so I thought folks here might not notice that I'd created a stub for Nev Fountain. I did a smattering of research, but I'll wager that there are members of the WikiProject who can add a fair bit more info. (For example, I don't even know whether his full name is Neville, as one might expect — I found only one reference to him as "Neville Fountain", and it's in an article that also mentions "Christopher Ecclestone", so I don't have much confidence in its fact-checking.)
Anyway, the page is there if anyone wants to do anything to it. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Having a bit of a discussion on Talk:Lady Serena if anyone hasn't noticed yet. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
For anyone interested, I've created an article based on the (rather good) BBV production The Airzone Solution, which I just watched for the first time. There are still a few things missing from the article such as images and an infobox, but it's a start. 23skidoo 01:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
SGCommand ( talk · contribs) created this recently and asked for help in expanding it. I've done an initial cleanup but it needs more looking at and expansion. Just a heads-up. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Please also look in on Talk:List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens, as the page is growing unweildy. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I created the page today. It already has a redirect from Doctor Who cliches. proteus71 20:50, 11 Apr 2006
You don't need to consult an outside source to state the obvious. Is there a serious DW fan alive who hasn't once noticed that their favorite SF program has a lot of corridors? Too many planets that look like quarries? That the Master survives once too often in the JNT years? That a lot of small understaffed bases find themselves under siege from aliens? If I'm the only one who noticed this since 1963, the page should go. If I'm not, then the page should stay. If some of the words I wrote need to go, fine; that's the point of Wikipedia. But the ideas are accurate -- and, dare I say, not original to anyone who has every asked themselves about how DW production teams created their output from script to screen inclusive.
To put it another way, this page documents what fans have noticed since before some of us were born. If I put it into writing first (and I don't think I have), that doesn't make the intellectual content my personal POV. It just means there existed a small oral tradition that finally got written down. And if I made any mistakes, this was the right place to make them, since all of you have the right to edit them and make the article better for it. proteus71 20:41, 12 Apr 2006 (UTC)
To everyone: does that mean we can CSD the article, or AFD this as original research? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 07:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:Spearhead from Space. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I just came upon this. I'd be inclined to merge it into one of the lists, but it doesn't quite fit any of them. Thoughts? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
List of Doctor who Airdates — redirect to List of Doctor Who serials?
Doctor Who: Podshock — are podcasts notable? Is this podcast notable?
Tim! 22:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)