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Looking at Aliens of London just now, I had a thought - why not merge two-parters from the new series together. It might save quite a bit of repeating ourselves. I don't know what they would be called, though. -- Thelb 4 13:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't like it. I see them as two episodes, per the American (non serial) standard. Captain Jack Harkness and End of Days was a two-parter of sorts, but also two separate episodes. With TSJA however, they will 5 two-part episodes... I think we should treat those as five hour long episodes and not ten half hour long ones.~ Zythe Talk to me! 02:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
...for the List of Torchwood minor characters. Could someone with the capabilities please take and add some to the article? It's particularly important for the other Captain Jack character as someone has already arrived confused and changed the actor credits to John Barrowman. It would also be useful for Bilis Manger and Diane Holmes. We could use the period piece pictures from the website, but then it would jar with the higher-res full-colour pictures of Lisa Hallett, Rhys Williams, PC Andy and Suzie Costello. Thansks! ~ Zythe Talk to me! 19:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Assuming there's no objections, I'm going to disambiguate Mr Smith later this evening. Right now, there is a disambiguation page at Mister Smith, a Doctor Who article at Mr Smith (no period), and a music album article at Mr. Smith with period). Given that "Mr", "Mr.", and "Mister" all mean the same thing, and are used interchangeably, it's a bit of a mess. My plan is to move Mr. Smith to Mr. Smith (album), Mr Smith to Mr. Smith (''some acceptable Doctor Who disambiguator''), and point Mr and Mr. Smith to the disambiguation page, which already has links for the Who/music articles. Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 00:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
For adding suffixes to Sarah Jane articles in future (I'm thinking episodes) do we use the very long "(The Sarah Jane Adventures)" or can we do like WP:TREK and WP:BUFFY and shorten it? Maybe it can be "Episode one (TSJA)" or "Episode one (Sarah Jane episode)" or something? I just think the titles are going to be so huge for some episodes...~ Zythe Talk to me! 13:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I think he means we make up codes such as 4S using "TSJA". -- Jamdav86 15:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. For some reason, I'm obsessed with Production Codes. I have them for everything "Who". For my own reference materials I've been using SJA for "The Sarah Jane Adventures" The Core-Man 20:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh! The bbc homepage lists it as /sja. Does that count as an official acronym? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
The viability of the article for Doctor Who at the BBC: The Plays, the Beeb's compilation CD release of three radio dramas about how Doctor Who affects people out in the real world, has come into question. If you have a moment, please look over the article, and then hop over to the article's talk page and add your thoughts to the discussion. Thanks! Rob T Firefly 07:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Has it been revealed yet as to how Captain Jack was able to get from the events in the 2002nd century to the time of the Torchwood Television series? Just wondering. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 22:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
There's quite a lot of information about the specific history of Earth in Doctor Who, which differs quite considerably with non- Whoniverse Earth. Interesting politics, countless invasions, organisations, plots to destroy, interesting formation (Racnoss core, Mondas twin), mythical properties (Rift and Abaddon). Would Earth (Doctor Who) or Earth (Whoniverse) be a useful article? What I mean to ask is, would anyone consider contributing to such an article if it was created? Since future stories are frequent, would it be any different to an article about Skaro or Mars? There could also be a history of the Earth, also detailing the various parrallel universes. ~ Zythe Talk to me! 23:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I know that you good Dr Who wikipedians will catch this anyway but I thought that I would let you know that User:Tom Prankerd is adding reviews of various televised stories to a website entitled CounterX. A quick perusal of the site lead me to deduce that it is this editors own site based on the number of wikipedia articles on Formula 1 Drivers that they have edited here and the opening paragraph of the F1 section of the CounterX website. Now if these are okay with you all that is just fine with me but if they are not I thought I would try to alert you early to cut back on the amount of work that will be necessary to remove them and so that you can alert the user to any problem that adding them to the external links section causes. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD | Talk 01:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
wikia:Tardis at all? Just found it. Sadly it lacks a lot of the detail that regular Wikipedia articles have on characters, with a lot of OR and inaccuracy that a part of me really wants to get serious about correcting. ~ Zythe Talk to me! 23:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, the Captain Jack article is very popular, obviously. Problem is as his history has been added in dribs and drabs, it reads like "and this was revealed about Jack, and this was revealed about Jack... then we learnt this about him..." - very nonlinear. Would it make sense to reconstruct it like...
TITLE
Context paragraph and infobox
(some of which could be moved to a descriptive section, adding themes which follow Jack's character around)
==Characterisation==
Some of the context from before goes here, as well as the information about Jack's character. Stuff regarding the character's sexuality, themes like the value of human life, etc. would all go here. A line or two touching on the rank of captain, too.
==Character history==
===Before ''Doctor Who''===
Information about the war in the future, Time Agency, con man, Lahore, WW2, becoming "Jack", meeting Estelle etc. (Pre-The Empty Child)
===''Doctor Who'' season 1===
Literal summarisation of the events.
===''Torchwood'' season 1===
Literal summarisation of the events.
===''Doctor Who'' season 3===
We don't need this just yet anyway.
==Other appearances==
Books.
==Powers and abilities==
Could improve.
==Episodes== (could be renamed "Appearances in Doctor Who universe" to include books.)
;Doctor Who
;Torchwood
(doesn't require subsections imo)
==References==
{{reflist|2}}
As I see it, this article should improve lots. Similar articles would be Andrew Van De Kamp, Buffy Summers. I'm not entirely certain how it should be formatted which is why I've come here instead of reworking it. For example, Spike (Buffyverse) has a subsection of history entitled "Appearance and Personality", whereas the Andrew Van De Kamp one has an entire section on "Character". Buffy Summers' history is split into "Sunnydale" and "Italy", whereas Spike's is "Sunnydale" and "Los Angeles" etc.
I definitely think we should have a section about Jack's character, and to have his history spelt out in an out-of-universe format. The article on Memento gives the film's events in chronological order, not the way the film explains it etc.
So yeah, I think Jack's page should be brought up the quality of say, Doctor (Doctor Who). ~ Zythe Talk to me! 23:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone's changed Donna Noble from a redirect to The Runaway Bride (Doctor Who) to a stub on the character. I can see arguments on both sides on this one: on the one hand, barring a few seconds in Doomsday everything about her could be included in the article on the special. On the other hand, excepting her appearance in the DWM comic strip, the same coud be said of Grace Holloway. So I figured I should bring it up here rather than blindly revert to the redirect. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 07:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I was stub sorting earlier and encountered this new article. I made some minor improvements but a project member might want to merge it into List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens. Don't forget to check Special:Whatlinkshere/The_Spiridons before adding a delete tag. :-) Random Passer-by 16:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
{{Spoiler about|a recent Big Finish audio (to name it would give it away — avert your gaze if you don't want to know!)}}
Merged to the list and added a mention of Return of the Daleks for good measure. Tim! 12:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Interestingly piped links in redirects now work. Tim! 12:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe all of the episode articles are more or less standardized now. You might want to poke through and adjust a few things here and there. The next project, I think, should be systematically cutting down the plot sections to no more than a paragraph or two per episode. -- Aderack 23:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor just added screen captures ((4:3) - duplicating our already existent superior images) - I've reverted the editor ( User:Avt tor) and invited he/she to open discussion here, what's everybody elses opinion? Personally I don't see the need for us to use the screen captures in the LOEs, we have 13 very good articles for Torchwood, each with its own good cap. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 02:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The lack of screen shots on the episode list looks like an oversight to me. I'm not seeing consensus on this subject. If there are already screen shots people like, there's no need for me to be capturing images. Avt tor 02:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
User 203.9.186.134 has been adding links to a page of fan-made commentaries to some of the episode pages. I was about to start taking them off as non-notable, but I just wanted to mention them here first in case there's some notability to them that I'm not seeing. The anon user adding them seems pretty vocal about the notabilty of alternate commentaties, so some other opinions couldn't hurt. Here's an example - MMM Commentaries mp3 commentary on episode one - from The Faceless Ones. -- Brian Olsen 16:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
After wondering if the category Lists of novels was any proper for any of the corresponding Doctor Who book series articles as Past Doctor Adventures, &c... I decided: why not create a listing of all of them? Any thoughts?* *Or would that be problematic having the like around? DrWho42 00:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Heck, wasn't expecting this - [1]. What do we do with this now? (i.e. does it go in the List of Doctor Who serials or spinoffs, or what?) - NP Chilla 13:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to contribute to this wiki but I would just like to have a quick rundown on current progress, User:joker1138
Whats the diffrence between Wikiproject Doctor Who and this [ [2]]. ????? ——The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.241.223.51 ( talk • contribs) 01:05, January 29, 2007 (UTC)
So its like this [ [3]] ——The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.242.91.200 ( talk • contribs) 15:29, January 29, 2007 (UTC)
Then why not just edit the TARDIS wiki and pull that up to standard hell with all these users it would not take that long at all, things have already started moving there... ——The preceding unsigned comment was added by 00:46, January 30, 2007 ( talk • contribs) 84.13.12.215.
I've started to expand this article - advice and feedback from established project participants would be welcome. Matthew Kilburn 11:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Newly created and for all those novelisations Dicks did, is the category name too lengthy or just right? Thoughts? DrWho42 00:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | → | Archive 15 |
This archive page covers approximately the dates between 31 December 2006 and 30 January 2007.
Post replies to the main talk page, copying or summarizing the section you are replying to if necessary.
Looking at Aliens of London just now, I had a thought - why not merge two-parters from the new series together. It might save quite a bit of repeating ourselves. I don't know what they would be called, though. -- Thelb 4 13:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't like it. I see them as two episodes, per the American (non serial) standard. Captain Jack Harkness and End of Days was a two-parter of sorts, but also two separate episodes. With TSJA however, they will 5 two-part episodes... I think we should treat those as five hour long episodes and not ten half hour long ones.~ Zythe Talk to me! 02:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
...for the List of Torchwood minor characters. Could someone with the capabilities please take and add some to the article? It's particularly important for the other Captain Jack character as someone has already arrived confused and changed the actor credits to John Barrowman. It would also be useful for Bilis Manger and Diane Holmes. We could use the period piece pictures from the website, but then it would jar with the higher-res full-colour pictures of Lisa Hallett, Rhys Williams, PC Andy and Suzie Costello. Thansks! ~ Zythe Talk to me! 19:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Assuming there's no objections, I'm going to disambiguate Mr Smith later this evening. Right now, there is a disambiguation page at Mister Smith, a Doctor Who article at Mr Smith (no period), and a music album article at Mr. Smith with period). Given that "Mr", "Mr.", and "Mister" all mean the same thing, and are used interchangeably, it's a bit of a mess. My plan is to move Mr. Smith to Mr. Smith (album), Mr Smith to Mr. Smith (''some acceptable Doctor Who disambiguator''), and point Mr and Mr. Smith to the disambiguation page, which already has links for the Who/music articles. Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 00:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
For adding suffixes to Sarah Jane articles in future (I'm thinking episodes) do we use the very long "(The Sarah Jane Adventures)" or can we do like WP:TREK and WP:BUFFY and shorten it? Maybe it can be "Episode one (TSJA)" or "Episode one (Sarah Jane episode)" or something? I just think the titles are going to be so huge for some episodes...~ Zythe Talk to me! 13:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I think he means we make up codes such as 4S using "TSJA". -- Jamdav86 15:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. For some reason, I'm obsessed with Production Codes. I have them for everything "Who". For my own reference materials I've been using SJA for "The Sarah Jane Adventures" The Core-Man 20:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh! The bbc homepage lists it as /sja. Does that count as an official acronym? ~ Zythe Talk to me! 18:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
The viability of the article for Doctor Who at the BBC: The Plays, the Beeb's compilation CD release of three radio dramas about how Doctor Who affects people out in the real world, has come into question. If you have a moment, please look over the article, and then hop over to the article's talk page and add your thoughts to the discussion. Thanks! Rob T Firefly 07:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Has it been revealed yet as to how Captain Jack was able to get from the events in the 2002nd century to the time of the Torchwood Television series? Just wondering. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 22:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
There's quite a lot of information about the specific history of Earth in Doctor Who, which differs quite considerably with non- Whoniverse Earth. Interesting politics, countless invasions, organisations, plots to destroy, interesting formation (Racnoss core, Mondas twin), mythical properties (Rift and Abaddon). Would Earth (Doctor Who) or Earth (Whoniverse) be a useful article? What I mean to ask is, would anyone consider contributing to such an article if it was created? Since future stories are frequent, would it be any different to an article about Skaro or Mars? There could also be a history of the Earth, also detailing the various parrallel universes. ~ Zythe Talk to me! 23:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I know that you good Dr Who wikipedians will catch this anyway but I thought that I would let you know that User:Tom Prankerd is adding reviews of various televised stories to a website entitled CounterX. A quick perusal of the site lead me to deduce that it is this editors own site based on the number of wikipedia articles on Formula 1 Drivers that they have edited here and the opening paragraph of the F1 section of the CounterX website. Now if these are okay with you all that is just fine with me but if they are not I thought I would try to alert you early to cut back on the amount of work that will be necessary to remove them and so that you can alert the user to any problem that adding them to the external links section causes. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD | Talk 01:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
wikia:Tardis at all? Just found it. Sadly it lacks a lot of the detail that regular Wikipedia articles have on characters, with a lot of OR and inaccuracy that a part of me really wants to get serious about correcting. ~ Zythe Talk to me! 23:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, the Captain Jack article is very popular, obviously. Problem is as his history has been added in dribs and drabs, it reads like "and this was revealed about Jack, and this was revealed about Jack... then we learnt this about him..." - very nonlinear. Would it make sense to reconstruct it like...
TITLE
Context paragraph and infobox
(some of which could be moved to a descriptive section, adding themes which follow Jack's character around)
==Characterisation==
Some of the context from before goes here, as well as the information about Jack's character. Stuff regarding the character's sexuality, themes like the value of human life, etc. would all go here. A line or two touching on the rank of captain, too.
==Character history==
===Before ''Doctor Who''===
Information about the war in the future, Time Agency, con man, Lahore, WW2, becoming "Jack", meeting Estelle etc. (Pre-The Empty Child)
===''Doctor Who'' season 1===
Literal summarisation of the events.
===''Torchwood'' season 1===
Literal summarisation of the events.
===''Doctor Who'' season 3===
We don't need this just yet anyway.
==Other appearances==
Books.
==Powers and abilities==
Could improve.
==Episodes== (could be renamed "Appearances in Doctor Who universe" to include books.)
;Doctor Who
;Torchwood
(doesn't require subsections imo)
==References==
{{reflist|2}}
As I see it, this article should improve lots. Similar articles would be Andrew Van De Kamp, Buffy Summers. I'm not entirely certain how it should be formatted which is why I've come here instead of reworking it. For example, Spike (Buffyverse) has a subsection of history entitled "Appearance and Personality", whereas the Andrew Van De Kamp one has an entire section on "Character". Buffy Summers' history is split into "Sunnydale" and "Italy", whereas Spike's is "Sunnydale" and "Los Angeles" etc.
I definitely think we should have a section about Jack's character, and to have his history spelt out in an out-of-universe format. The article on Memento gives the film's events in chronological order, not the way the film explains it etc.
So yeah, I think Jack's page should be brought up the quality of say, Doctor (Doctor Who). ~ Zythe Talk to me! 23:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone's changed Donna Noble from a redirect to The Runaway Bride (Doctor Who) to a stub on the character. I can see arguments on both sides on this one: on the one hand, barring a few seconds in Doomsday everything about her could be included in the article on the special. On the other hand, excepting her appearance in the DWM comic strip, the same coud be said of Grace Holloway. So I figured I should bring it up here rather than blindly revert to the redirect. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 07:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I was stub sorting earlier and encountered this new article. I made some minor improvements but a project member might want to merge it into List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens. Don't forget to check Special:Whatlinkshere/The_Spiridons before adding a delete tag. :-) Random Passer-by 16:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
{{Spoiler about|a recent Big Finish audio (to name it would give it away — avert your gaze if you don't want to know!)}}
Merged to the list and added a mention of Return of the Daleks for good measure. Tim! 12:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Interestingly piped links in redirects now work. Tim! 12:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe all of the episode articles are more or less standardized now. You might want to poke through and adjust a few things here and there. The next project, I think, should be systematically cutting down the plot sections to no more than a paragraph or two per episode. -- Aderack 23:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor just added screen captures ((4:3) - duplicating our already existent superior images) - I've reverted the editor ( User:Avt tor) and invited he/she to open discussion here, what's everybody elses opinion? Personally I don't see the need for us to use the screen captures in the LOEs, we have 13 very good articles for Torchwood, each with its own good cap. thanks/ Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 02:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The lack of screen shots on the episode list looks like an oversight to me. I'm not seeing consensus on this subject. If there are already screen shots people like, there's no need for me to be capturing images. Avt tor 02:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
User 203.9.186.134 has been adding links to a page of fan-made commentaries to some of the episode pages. I was about to start taking them off as non-notable, but I just wanted to mention them here first in case there's some notability to them that I'm not seeing. The anon user adding them seems pretty vocal about the notabilty of alternate commentaties, so some other opinions couldn't hurt. Here's an example - MMM Commentaries mp3 commentary on episode one - from The Faceless Ones. -- Brian Olsen 16:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
After wondering if the category Lists of novels was any proper for any of the corresponding Doctor Who book series articles as Past Doctor Adventures, &c... I decided: why not create a listing of all of them? Any thoughts?* *Or would that be problematic having the like around? DrWho42 00:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Heck, wasn't expecting this - [1]. What do we do with this now? (i.e. does it go in the List of Doctor Who serials or spinoffs, or what?) - NP Chilla 13:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to contribute to this wiki but I would just like to have a quick rundown on current progress, User:joker1138
Whats the diffrence between Wikiproject Doctor Who and this [ [2]]. ????? ——The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.241.223.51 ( talk • contribs) 01:05, January 29, 2007 (UTC)
So its like this [ [3]] ——The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.242.91.200 ( talk • contribs) 15:29, January 29, 2007 (UTC)
Then why not just edit the TARDIS wiki and pull that up to standard hell with all these users it would not take that long at all, things have already started moving there... ——The preceding unsigned comment was added by 00:46, January 30, 2007 ( talk • contribs) 84.13.12.215.
I've started to expand this article - advice and feedback from established project participants would be welcome. Matthew Kilburn 11:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Newly created and for all those novelisations Dicks did, is the category name too lengthy or just right? Thoughts? DrWho42 00:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)