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Page is now too big, ideas on how to split it? -- TimPope 17:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Is it worth creating a Doctor Who specific stub, or would this encourage too many stubs? On the subject of canon, from the project page, are Telos novellas worth mentioning? -- TimPope 20:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
On the topic of canon, I wonder if this article, or the WikiProject page itself, shouldn't include a bit more detail as to the rather unusual way canon is handled regarding the licensed spin-offs. As I've always understood it -- and my source for this is either a website like Outpost Gallifrey or a magazine, I've forgotten -- the all the BBC-licensed stuff such as the novels, the audios, etc. exist in a "grey area" regarding canon. This differs from the black and white world of Star Trek which, according to franchise owner Paramount, is divided into canon (anything live action on TV or in movies) and non-canon (anything in print including conjectures in official reference books, plus the animated series). Does someone know for certain what the BBC party line is? Here in Canada we've only seen the first two stories of the new season, but based upon these episodes alone it seems the show may be lining up to acknowledge at least some aspects of the novel continuity (though upcoming episodes may prove otherwise). 23skidoo 12:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've mentioned in the main project page what - up to now - has been my own personal style guidelines for the articles I've been writing. This is open to discussion. -- khaosworks 20:52, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe story titles should be italicized. Since they are technically episodes, they should have quotation marks around them, with only the series title, Doctor Who italicized. At least that's the way I've been taught through various style guides applied to other TV series. Is there an overall consensus on this? I notice a lot of people italicize the titles for the 27th season stories, but these certainly shouldn't be IMO since they are, for the most part, standalone single episodes and should be treated the same way, for example, Star Trek episodes are treated. Thoughts? 23skidoo 14:00, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
From my talk page: Hi. Sorry to be a pedant, but please use double quotes not italics to denote a story within a series, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style. And please don't edit existing articles to replace the double quotes with italics. (eg. [1]) Thanks. — P Ingerson (talk) 10:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Personally I think the italicised serial titles look better, especially as they are linked. I will confine the style to Doctor Who specific articles to avoid controversy. -- TimPope 11:03, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
An issue that needs some discussion, I think. Earlier this evening I happened to notice that Khaosworks had made an edit to the Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart article, with the edit described as 18:04, 8 Apr 2005 (hist) (diff) Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (added spoiler detail about World War Three). Now, this strikes me as a little off - saying there's a spoiler connected with World War Three involving Lethbridge-Stewart is a giveaway in and of itself, for a start! Now, I personally don't regard this as a major spoiler and I wasn't upset about reading it, but there are some who certainly would be, I think, and wouldn't even be protected by a spoiler warning because it's there in the edit summary, maybe not the detail but certainly a good idea of it. However, that's not really the main issue. My major point is, ought we to be adding details of episodes not yet broadcast, even if clearly marked up as spoilers and only relating details confirmed by the likes of the BBC Press Office? I'm not sure whether something can exactly be encyclopedic before it's happened - I must confess I had the same slight misgivings when the Rose synposis was added in full before the episode aired, although I wasn't tempted to look at it! Any other views on this? Angmering 22:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
ISTM that it would be worth having some good quality visual material on these pages. For example one clear photo' for each story, but it could be equally useful to vary the media - one could have a publicity shot, one a screen still, one a line illustration etc. As long as it doesn't become overburdened (I can see some people wanting to have pictures of every cast member), this should improve the articles. I appreciate all the arguments about copyright etc. User:DavidFarmbrough 00:25 BST 10/APR/'05
I tried out a screenshot on the entry for The Unquiet Dead. Thoughts? -- khaosworks 07:46, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking that it might be good to have some list boxes (if that's the right terminology) for various Who-related stuff. For instance a {{Doctor Who companions}} template to put at the bottom of each companion's page, listing all of the companions (maybe by which Doctor they travelled with). This would be analogous to the boxes found on many pages related to US states, listing various towns, regions, etc. Perhaps similar boxes for monsters/villains, UNIT, etc. I might be persuaded to work on such things, if people think it's a good idea. Gwimpey 04:45, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is in desperate need of a cleanup. Too busy to do it right now, but a cursory glance shows bad links, potential for a proliferation of stub articles, and non-television series canon info (Sontara, for example). The intro paragraph also makes me wince. Someone please go in and do a sweep. -- khaosworks 05:26, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
User:DavidFarmbrough 09:08, 14 Apr 2005 (BST)
It's starting to look more respectable. Good work, everyone! -- khaosworks 07:56, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I qualify as a member of the set "anyone". Yesterday, I made some changes that Khaosworks and Tim Pope didn't like, so they changed them back. Not a problem there -- that's the point of Wikipedia. If you make a change that rubs someone the wrong way, they'll either modify it or delete it.
Then, both left me exasperated messages. Tim's was polite (he mentioned this Wikiproject existed), Khaoswork's was not. He felt I shouldn't make changes like that without "consultation".
Hmmm... I didn't see "property of Wikiproject Doctor Who" anywhere on the page. I didn't log in and see the slogan "where anyone can edit" modified to "where anyone involved in the appropriate Wikiproject can edit". It's not that my changes were rejected -- it's the attitude that I need permission to make these changes, which is against the very nature of Wikipedia. At the very least, the GNU Free Doc license assures me of that legally.
So, how about a group goal (alongside goal #1, recruiting more members) of realizing that there are no unauthorized meddlers on Wikipedia. The person who just changed this or that page that you worked so hard to perfect is just as authorized as you are, and being rude to anyone who annoys you is a good way wreck a good thing for everyone. If you reverse all of the offending changes, let the user know why and mention that you're in this great Wikiproject which you'd like them to join, I'd think there would be few hard feelings, more new members, and a lot more work getting done.
What d'you think, sirs? -- Proteus71 ( Talk) 16:07, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
I think it was Tim who discussed the creation of a Doctor Who-specific stub template a while back. My view then was that it wasn't needed, but on consideration I'm not that sure now. Does anybody have any thoughts on this? It wouldn't be difficult just to tag a Doctor Who logo on. -- khaosworks 18:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I decided it'd be harmless just to create the template, so have a look at Template:Doctorwho-stub, and use {{Doctorwho-stub}} to tag the relevant articles. I decided to use the McGann/Pertwee logo for visibility reasons - the new logo just doesn't scale very well to tiny size. -- khaosworks 19:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Shall we add him now, or be good boys and girls and wait another hour and a half? Angmering 21:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please excuse me if someone has asked this before, but is there a consensus on how the 2005 series should be referred to? Since it is a direct continuation of the 1963-89 series (as opposed to a reboot or reimagining or even a "Doctor Who: The Next Generation"), I am of the opinion the 2005 season should be called Season 27. DWIN's FAQ says that it is correct to refer to it as either season 27 or season 1, and the BBC, internally, apparently considers it season 1. But I still think calling it Season or Series 27 is the correct way to go, and also looks a lot more impressive and reminds newcomers that this is a show with considerable history. (I've already seen some postings by people who, having heard it referred to as Season 1, were caught completely by surprise that the show actually has 26 seasons and a movie under its belt). Thoughts? 23skidoo 12:28, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Although I disagree with the BBC and RTD on this (I'm personally surprised RTD would go this route), I think the best way to handle it is to simply acknowledge a controversy exists and then go with whatever is the official line. For example, I just added a note to this effect to the episodes list article, stating that the BBC has restarted the numbering but many fans prefer to use Season 27. If we mention that in a few key places then it should head off anyone going in and changing references to 2005 S1 to S27 willy nilly. 23skidoo 13:35, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Someone has put in a Quotes section in The Unquiet Dead. I'm undecided whether or not this would be a useful addition to the pages. Any thoughts? -- khaosworks 21:29, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I would be in favour of this. -- TimPope 17:53, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC) I think this can be justified in terms of reducing the size of the main article. I don't think there is any conflict (I mean there won't be any other articles under the title 'The Fourth Doctor'). -- User:DavidFarmbrough 17:03, 19 Apr 2005 (BST)
I'm going to be adding some articles on some of the comic strip companions soon - specifically Izzy, Fey/ Shayde and Destrii for a start. Just a heads-up, if anyone else other is familiar with the DWM characters and would like to join in. -- khaosworks 14:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Depending upon what press release you read from the BBC, Eccleston is either going to make his final appearance in the Christmas special or he'll bow out at the end of the 2005 season. Likewise there appears to be some contradicting going on in the different articles in Wikipedia (the episodes list article has the Christmas special listed as a Tennant story, and indeed one of the BBC releases says he'll appear in the special). Has a definitive announcement been made about this? The last I heard, both Eccleston and Tennant were supposed to be in the Christmas special, yet the final 2005 episode title "Parting of the Ways" suggests the regeneration may occur then ... but wouldn't have that episode have been filmed before Tennant was announced? 23skidoo 13:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
AFAIK, there's no way that the regeneration could actually have been filmed in The Parting of the Ways, because unless they are still filming Dr Who now, it had already been filmed, and Eccleston had left before the confirmation this week that Tennant was definitely taking over next season. So, the probability is that Eccleston would come back to guest the regeneration sequence, and then Tennant take over. From what I've heard, Davies is spinning Eccleston leaving as "now we've got the whole package, our doctor, and our regeneration into our new Doctor", so khaosworks' speculation above appears to be on the money here. RTD isn't "against" showing regenerations, he's just against bringing back an actor to change him into the new doctor, just to please hardcore fans and fit in with their conceptions of "continuity".
PaulHammond 13:13, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
There was a brief discussion over the talk page at List of Doctor Who serials about whether or not the article should be seperated between old and new series. While I don't personally feel this would be particularly useful, an interesting point was brought up: the new series, by and large, is not serialistic, and, as such, including them in a list of serials is a bit disingenuous. While I don't consider this a compelling argument of overhauling the page, I was thinking it might make more sense to retitle the article. Something like "List of televised Doctor Who stories" or something like that, which would both address the above question, and address a similar problem that arises with things like the audio dramas and webcasts, which are, in fact, serialistic, but clearly don't belong on that page. Any thoughts? – Seancdaug 15:40, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
I strongly think that we should leave the page where it is and titled as it is. It is supposed to be one place where you can find a list of all the televised Doctor Who programmes. As has been mentioned, if you say "stories" someone is going to want to pull in all the radio specials, novelisations, original novels, the stage play, the Dalek movies, Big finish audio stories, Dr Who unbound, etc., etc., because, after all, these are all Doctor Who stories, which would be just silly. making the title into a dictionary definition of "televised story" makes the article have an overlong and unweildy title, which I wouldn't like (plus, someone has to go back and fix all those links from the individual stories). I just don't see what is wrong with the title of the page as it stands PaulHammond 13:06, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
Khaosworks: "(we've been through the "episodes" thing.. rv it for the moment until we can settle it on the Wikiproject page so as not to keep changing the article.)" -- It's like those (Seagrams?) ads: You always come back to the original. -- Ravenswood 17:45, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Now that we have a category for the comic strip characters, I note that with Charley, C'rizz, Evelyn, Erimem and Nimrod, as well as crossover characters like Frobisher, Shayde, Benny and Iris Wildthyme, we actually have a decent population to categorise them together. Good idea? Better name? -- khaosworks 19:38, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that the short synopsis not contain any spoilers, so that the casual reader can find out what the episode is about without having the end ruined. For example, from 'Rose':
Synopsis
PlotRose Tyler is a shop assistant at Henrik's... |
...Actually, that synopsis is already not spoilerish. At any rate, my suggestion is to change it to:
SynopsisRose Tyler etc etc etc Nestene Consciousness. Plot
|
-- Ravenswood 20:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
So far, we have these articles referenced in the "See Also" section of the main Doctor Who article:
I was looking for information on Movellans and realized that they don't fit any of these categories. Would anyone be up to starting a list of "All alien races (good, evil, or on the fence)"? -- Ravenswood 08:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Attn. khaosworks. Are you sure the 300-400px sizes given in the style guide are correct? I was under the impression that Wikipedia requests a 250px maximum on images. 400 seems awfully big. 23skidoo 15:34, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Without getting too hung up on the spoiler issues, I'd like to suggest that somewhere on the page perhaps below plot we should include the Companions and the Setting. eg
GraemeLeggett 14:46, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK, what about this:
Doctor | Christopher Eccleston |
Series Regulars | Billie Piper, |
Writer | Russell T. Davies |
etc. | etc. |
...and the character names will appear in the plot summary. Ravenswood 04:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Doctor | Christopher Eccleston |
Series Regulars | Billie Piper, |
Cast | Mark Benton, Elli Garnett, Adam McCoy, Alan Ruscoe, Paul Kasey, David Sant, Elizabeth Fost, Helen Otway, Nicholas Briggs |
Writer | Russell T. Davies |
etc. | etc. |
You're right. That is too cluttered. Ravenswood 18:36, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I am concerned at the proliferation of stub articles at the moment. I'm guilty of creating several in the last week or so, like Jackie Tyler and Adam Mitchell, but I will be expanding on them as soon as information becomes available, and similarly for the serials I have copies of with me. Can I ask that if people create stub articles, they take the responsibility to nurse them to an acceptable level and not just leave them there for the sake of creating a blue link? -- khaosworks 04:57, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
I am contemplating rewriting and merging with the Missing episodes section on the Doctor Who main article and putting it all in a new article Doctor Who missing episodes. Any thoughts/objections? I'll probably get around to it after I finish with synopsising Dalek this weekend. -- khaosworks 16:18, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm the creator of WikiProject Buffy. I was simply wondering if anyone involved in this project wanted to put in a little time at WP Buffy. I'm not trying to start a membership war or anything like that -- just, if anyone's got a little extra time, we could use an extra keyboard or two. Thanks! - Che Nuevara, the Democratic Revolutionary 01:44, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Please see Talk:100,000 BC. Should the serial be indexed in the Category: Doctor Who serials under 1 or O? Place your votes there under the appropriate header. I will leave the vote open until 0000 hrs EST on Monday morning, May 9, 2005, and hopefully we'll have a consensus then. -- khaosworks 04:39, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
While we're at it, what are people's thoughts on this? Originally my thinking was (and following the way the Doctor Who Reference Guide has done it) that the two-parters in the 2005 series should be considered the same story, hence 164a and 164b for the Aliens of London / World War Three combo. However, Outpost Gallifrey has listed them as 164 and 165, and the BBC of course considers them Episode 4 and 5.
Arguments for listing two parters as (a) and (b) stories is that neither episode really stands on its own. On the other hand we had stories flowing into each other with quasi cliffhangers before, like the Frontier in Space / Planet of the Daleks divide, which is really one long story. Production codes which helped us in the past don't really apply now. So, thoughts? (a) and (b) or separate? -- khaosworks 15:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm imagining a page which simply lists, in alphabetical order, every Wikipedia article which related to Doctor Who. It would of course be a lot of work and of limited use.
More useful would be a little button in the lower-right corner of that page labelled, "Add every article linked to on this page to my Watchlist". Now THAT would be something. I've been crawling through all of the Who-related articles for days now (whenever I get a few spare moments) and adding things to my Watchlist, and I'm sure I've not reached the half-way point. Does Wiki have any sort of auto-watchlisting tools? This is going to take forever otherwise. Ravenswood 21:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I've created a Wikiportal page for Doctor Who. If anyone wants to help keep it up to date, check out the page. -- khaosworks 18:32, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
I've been threatening to do it for a while, so I've created Template:Doctorwhocharacter. I've put up test pages so people can see how they look and give their opinions as follows:
Let me know if this is worth doing. -- khaosworks 03:36, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think that the logo on the Doctor Who WikiProject page should be replaced with the new logo. Who agrees? Is there a special reason for keeping the old logo or is it just that nobody has bothered to change it?
Missing episodes should have its own article, possibly merged with incomplete episodes list?
When you say the incomplete episodes list do you mean the incomplete serial list? And when you say missing episodes do you mean that section of the Doctor Who article.
If so, then I'm sorry for changing the To-Do-List, but please could you clarify this.
Seeing as we already have an article on Doctor Who in America, it would be nice to have similar articles for some of the other countries that have broadcast Doctor Who around the world. Australia, for example, have been showing Doctor Who since January 1965, and New Zealand's first showing was even longer ago. It would be great to see Doctor Who in Australia and Doctor Who in New Zealand mentioning things like broadcast patterns, broadcasters, impact on society (deficit Daleks, anyone?), fan organisations and conventions, etc. I could probably contribute to a Doctor Who in Australia article but I'd be very interested to read about other countries' experiences of the show. Italy? Japan? France, Germany, Netherlands? Asia? Obviously it depends on someone being around with this kind of knowledge but surely it wouldn't be too hard to find information on Australia and NZ. Anyone else interested?-- The Brain of Morbius 07:42, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
I noticed recently that although there is a complete (?) list of the books, that there are no entries for the books themselves. Is this just because no one has done it, or it isn't considered canon or is a spin off? Some of the characters/events in the books are considered canon (to some people) and a lot of entries mention things that happen in the books, (I mean, also, we have a page for Iris Wildthyme) and that some characters in the books reappear from the television series... It would be no problem to go and create entries for these, with a picture of the book, maybe, on the entry. Also, should there be a doctorwhobook template that refers, at least for the Past Doctor Adventures, to the tv episodes it takes place around? And there could also be a category for characters that are only found in the books (we have a comic book characters category...) or important planets that are only found in the books. I volunteer myself to work on this... anyone want to help? -- Travlr23 11:37, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
How many spaces should be placed between the end of an article and a stub? There does not seem to be any defined answer at all, even within Doctor Who articles. Maybe we should have this mentioned on the WikiProject Page. -- bjwebb 19:38, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
We've been getting a number of these lately - articles about characters that appeared only once and whose details are really covered in the articles about the episodes where they appeared and are otherwise non-notable. Rather than creating loads of stub articles and/or duplicating information that is already (or should be) in the episode articles, and then finding ourselves locked up in VfD discussions, maybe it's time to create a Minor characters in Doctor Who along the lines of Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and start redirecting. My only fear is that given the 40-year history of the programme, there's going to be a crapload of these entries if we don't have some criteria for inclusion, even when it comes to this list.
Recently, we've had Pete Tyler, which I tried to get up to a decent level, but honestly, it shouldn't have been created in the first place. We've had Doctor Constantine, which is up for VfD, and now the latest one is Mavic Chen, which - to be frank - I don't see the point of. Thoughts? -- khaosworks 09:01, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
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Page is now too big, ideas on how to split it? -- TimPope 17:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Is it worth creating a Doctor Who specific stub, or would this encourage too many stubs? On the subject of canon, from the project page, are Telos novellas worth mentioning? -- TimPope 20:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
On the topic of canon, I wonder if this article, or the WikiProject page itself, shouldn't include a bit more detail as to the rather unusual way canon is handled regarding the licensed spin-offs. As I've always understood it -- and my source for this is either a website like Outpost Gallifrey or a magazine, I've forgotten -- the all the BBC-licensed stuff such as the novels, the audios, etc. exist in a "grey area" regarding canon. This differs from the black and white world of Star Trek which, according to franchise owner Paramount, is divided into canon (anything live action on TV or in movies) and non-canon (anything in print including conjectures in official reference books, plus the animated series). Does someone know for certain what the BBC party line is? Here in Canada we've only seen the first two stories of the new season, but based upon these episodes alone it seems the show may be lining up to acknowledge at least some aspects of the novel continuity (though upcoming episodes may prove otherwise). 23skidoo 12:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've mentioned in the main project page what - up to now - has been my own personal style guidelines for the articles I've been writing. This is open to discussion. -- khaosworks 20:52, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe story titles should be italicized. Since they are technically episodes, they should have quotation marks around them, with only the series title, Doctor Who italicized. At least that's the way I've been taught through various style guides applied to other TV series. Is there an overall consensus on this? I notice a lot of people italicize the titles for the 27th season stories, but these certainly shouldn't be IMO since they are, for the most part, standalone single episodes and should be treated the same way, for example, Star Trek episodes are treated. Thoughts? 23skidoo 14:00, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
From my talk page: Hi. Sorry to be a pedant, but please use double quotes not italics to denote a story within a series, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style. And please don't edit existing articles to replace the double quotes with italics. (eg. [1]) Thanks. — P Ingerson (talk) 10:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Personally I think the italicised serial titles look better, especially as they are linked. I will confine the style to Doctor Who specific articles to avoid controversy. -- TimPope 11:03, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
An issue that needs some discussion, I think. Earlier this evening I happened to notice that Khaosworks had made an edit to the Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart article, with the edit described as 18:04, 8 Apr 2005 (hist) (diff) Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (added spoiler detail about World War Three). Now, this strikes me as a little off - saying there's a spoiler connected with World War Three involving Lethbridge-Stewart is a giveaway in and of itself, for a start! Now, I personally don't regard this as a major spoiler and I wasn't upset about reading it, but there are some who certainly would be, I think, and wouldn't even be protected by a spoiler warning because it's there in the edit summary, maybe not the detail but certainly a good idea of it. However, that's not really the main issue. My major point is, ought we to be adding details of episodes not yet broadcast, even if clearly marked up as spoilers and only relating details confirmed by the likes of the BBC Press Office? I'm not sure whether something can exactly be encyclopedic before it's happened - I must confess I had the same slight misgivings when the Rose synposis was added in full before the episode aired, although I wasn't tempted to look at it! Any other views on this? Angmering 22:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
ISTM that it would be worth having some good quality visual material on these pages. For example one clear photo' for each story, but it could be equally useful to vary the media - one could have a publicity shot, one a screen still, one a line illustration etc. As long as it doesn't become overburdened (I can see some people wanting to have pictures of every cast member), this should improve the articles. I appreciate all the arguments about copyright etc. User:DavidFarmbrough 00:25 BST 10/APR/'05
I tried out a screenshot on the entry for The Unquiet Dead. Thoughts? -- khaosworks 07:46, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking that it might be good to have some list boxes (if that's the right terminology) for various Who-related stuff. For instance a {{Doctor Who companions}} template to put at the bottom of each companion's page, listing all of the companions (maybe by which Doctor they travelled with). This would be analogous to the boxes found on many pages related to US states, listing various towns, regions, etc. Perhaps similar boxes for monsters/villains, UNIT, etc. I might be persuaded to work on such things, if people think it's a good idea. Gwimpey 04:45, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is in desperate need of a cleanup. Too busy to do it right now, but a cursory glance shows bad links, potential for a proliferation of stub articles, and non-television series canon info (Sontara, for example). The intro paragraph also makes me wince. Someone please go in and do a sweep. -- khaosworks 05:26, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
User:DavidFarmbrough 09:08, 14 Apr 2005 (BST)
It's starting to look more respectable. Good work, everyone! -- khaosworks 07:56, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I qualify as a member of the set "anyone". Yesterday, I made some changes that Khaosworks and Tim Pope didn't like, so they changed them back. Not a problem there -- that's the point of Wikipedia. If you make a change that rubs someone the wrong way, they'll either modify it or delete it.
Then, both left me exasperated messages. Tim's was polite (he mentioned this Wikiproject existed), Khaoswork's was not. He felt I shouldn't make changes like that without "consultation".
Hmmm... I didn't see "property of Wikiproject Doctor Who" anywhere on the page. I didn't log in and see the slogan "where anyone can edit" modified to "where anyone involved in the appropriate Wikiproject can edit". It's not that my changes were rejected -- it's the attitude that I need permission to make these changes, which is against the very nature of Wikipedia. At the very least, the GNU Free Doc license assures me of that legally.
So, how about a group goal (alongside goal #1, recruiting more members) of realizing that there are no unauthorized meddlers on Wikipedia. The person who just changed this or that page that you worked so hard to perfect is just as authorized as you are, and being rude to anyone who annoys you is a good way wreck a good thing for everyone. If you reverse all of the offending changes, let the user know why and mention that you're in this great Wikiproject which you'd like them to join, I'd think there would be few hard feelings, more new members, and a lot more work getting done.
What d'you think, sirs? -- Proteus71 ( Talk) 16:07, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
I think it was Tim who discussed the creation of a Doctor Who-specific stub template a while back. My view then was that it wasn't needed, but on consideration I'm not that sure now. Does anybody have any thoughts on this? It wouldn't be difficult just to tag a Doctor Who logo on. -- khaosworks 18:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I decided it'd be harmless just to create the template, so have a look at Template:Doctorwho-stub, and use {{Doctorwho-stub}} to tag the relevant articles. I decided to use the McGann/Pertwee logo for visibility reasons - the new logo just doesn't scale very well to tiny size. -- khaosworks 19:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Shall we add him now, or be good boys and girls and wait another hour and a half? Angmering 21:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please excuse me if someone has asked this before, but is there a consensus on how the 2005 series should be referred to? Since it is a direct continuation of the 1963-89 series (as opposed to a reboot or reimagining or even a "Doctor Who: The Next Generation"), I am of the opinion the 2005 season should be called Season 27. DWIN's FAQ says that it is correct to refer to it as either season 27 or season 1, and the BBC, internally, apparently considers it season 1. But I still think calling it Season or Series 27 is the correct way to go, and also looks a lot more impressive and reminds newcomers that this is a show with considerable history. (I've already seen some postings by people who, having heard it referred to as Season 1, were caught completely by surprise that the show actually has 26 seasons and a movie under its belt). Thoughts? 23skidoo 12:28, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Although I disagree with the BBC and RTD on this (I'm personally surprised RTD would go this route), I think the best way to handle it is to simply acknowledge a controversy exists and then go with whatever is the official line. For example, I just added a note to this effect to the episodes list article, stating that the BBC has restarted the numbering but many fans prefer to use Season 27. If we mention that in a few key places then it should head off anyone going in and changing references to 2005 S1 to S27 willy nilly. 23skidoo 13:35, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Someone has put in a Quotes section in The Unquiet Dead. I'm undecided whether or not this would be a useful addition to the pages. Any thoughts? -- khaosworks 21:29, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I would be in favour of this. -- TimPope 17:53, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC) I think this can be justified in terms of reducing the size of the main article. I don't think there is any conflict (I mean there won't be any other articles under the title 'The Fourth Doctor'). -- User:DavidFarmbrough 17:03, 19 Apr 2005 (BST)
I'm going to be adding some articles on some of the comic strip companions soon - specifically Izzy, Fey/ Shayde and Destrii for a start. Just a heads-up, if anyone else other is familiar with the DWM characters and would like to join in. -- khaosworks 14:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Depending upon what press release you read from the BBC, Eccleston is either going to make his final appearance in the Christmas special or he'll bow out at the end of the 2005 season. Likewise there appears to be some contradicting going on in the different articles in Wikipedia (the episodes list article has the Christmas special listed as a Tennant story, and indeed one of the BBC releases says he'll appear in the special). Has a definitive announcement been made about this? The last I heard, both Eccleston and Tennant were supposed to be in the Christmas special, yet the final 2005 episode title "Parting of the Ways" suggests the regeneration may occur then ... but wouldn't have that episode have been filmed before Tennant was announced? 23skidoo 13:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
AFAIK, there's no way that the regeneration could actually have been filmed in The Parting of the Ways, because unless they are still filming Dr Who now, it had already been filmed, and Eccleston had left before the confirmation this week that Tennant was definitely taking over next season. So, the probability is that Eccleston would come back to guest the regeneration sequence, and then Tennant take over. From what I've heard, Davies is spinning Eccleston leaving as "now we've got the whole package, our doctor, and our regeneration into our new Doctor", so khaosworks' speculation above appears to be on the money here. RTD isn't "against" showing regenerations, he's just against bringing back an actor to change him into the new doctor, just to please hardcore fans and fit in with their conceptions of "continuity".
PaulHammond 13:13, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
There was a brief discussion over the talk page at List of Doctor Who serials about whether or not the article should be seperated between old and new series. While I don't personally feel this would be particularly useful, an interesting point was brought up: the new series, by and large, is not serialistic, and, as such, including them in a list of serials is a bit disingenuous. While I don't consider this a compelling argument of overhauling the page, I was thinking it might make more sense to retitle the article. Something like "List of televised Doctor Who stories" or something like that, which would both address the above question, and address a similar problem that arises with things like the audio dramas and webcasts, which are, in fact, serialistic, but clearly don't belong on that page. Any thoughts? – Seancdaug 15:40, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
I strongly think that we should leave the page where it is and titled as it is. It is supposed to be one place where you can find a list of all the televised Doctor Who programmes. As has been mentioned, if you say "stories" someone is going to want to pull in all the radio specials, novelisations, original novels, the stage play, the Dalek movies, Big finish audio stories, Dr Who unbound, etc., etc., because, after all, these are all Doctor Who stories, which would be just silly. making the title into a dictionary definition of "televised story" makes the article have an overlong and unweildy title, which I wouldn't like (plus, someone has to go back and fix all those links from the individual stories). I just don't see what is wrong with the title of the page as it stands PaulHammond 13:06, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
Khaosworks: "(we've been through the "episodes" thing.. rv it for the moment until we can settle it on the Wikiproject page so as not to keep changing the article.)" -- It's like those (Seagrams?) ads: You always come back to the original. -- Ravenswood 17:45, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Now that we have a category for the comic strip characters, I note that with Charley, C'rizz, Evelyn, Erimem and Nimrod, as well as crossover characters like Frobisher, Shayde, Benny and Iris Wildthyme, we actually have a decent population to categorise them together. Good idea? Better name? -- khaosworks 19:38, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that the short synopsis not contain any spoilers, so that the casual reader can find out what the episode is about without having the end ruined. For example, from 'Rose':
Synopsis
PlotRose Tyler is a shop assistant at Henrik's... |
...Actually, that synopsis is already not spoilerish. At any rate, my suggestion is to change it to:
SynopsisRose Tyler etc etc etc Nestene Consciousness. Plot
|
-- Ravenswood 20:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
So far, we have these articles referenced in the "See Also" section of the main Doctor Who article:
I was looking for information on Movellans and realized that they don't fit any of these categories. Would anyone be up to starting a list of "All alien races (good, evil, or on the fence)"? -- Ravenswood 08:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Attn. khaosworks. Are you sure the 300-400px sizes given in the style guide are correct? I was under the impression that Wikipedia requests a 250px maximum on images. 400 seems awfully big. 23skidoo 15:34, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Without getting too hung up on the spoiler issues, I'd like to suggest that somewhere on the page perhaps below plot we should include the Companions and the Setting. eg
GraemeLeggett 14:46, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK, what about this:
Doctor | Christopher Eccleston |
Series Regulars | Billie Piper, |
Writer | Russell T. Davies |
etc. | etc. |
...and the character names will appear in the plot summary. Ravenswood 04:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Doctor | Christopher Eccleston |
Series Regulars | Billie Piper, |
Cast | Mark Benton, Elli Garnett, Adam McCoy, Alan Ruscoe, Paul Kasey, David Sant, Elizabeth Fost, Helen Otway, Nicholas Briggs |
Writer | Russell T. Davies |
etc. | etc. |
You're right. That is too cluttered. Ravenswood 18:36, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I am concerned at the proliferation of stub articles at the moment. I'm guilty of creating several in the last week or so, like Jackie Tyler and Adam Mitchell, but I will be expanding on them as soon as information becomes available, and similarly for the serials I have copies of with me. Can I ask that if people create stub articles, they take the responsibility to nurse them to an acceptable level and not just leave them there for the sake of creating a blue link? -- khaosworks 04:57, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
I am contemplating rewriting and merging with the Missing episodes section on the Doctor Who main article and putting it all in a new article Doctor Who missing episodes. Any thoughts/objections? I'll probably get around to it after I finish with synopsising Dalek this weekend. -- khaosworks 16:18, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm the creator of WikiProject Buffy. I was simply wondering if anyone involved in this project wanted to put in a little time at WP Buffy. I'm not trying to start a membership war or anything like that -- just, if anyone's got a little extra time, we could use an extra keyboard or two. Thanks! - Che Nuevara, the Democratic Revolutionary 01:44, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Please see Talk:100,000 BC. Should the serial be indexed in the Category: Doctor Who serials under 1 or O? Place your votes there under the appropriate header. I will leave the vote open until 0000 hrs EST on Monday morning, May 9, 2005, and hopefully we'll have a consensus then. -- khaosworks 04:39, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
While we're at it, what are people's thoughts on this? Originally my thinking was (and following the way the Doctor Who Reference Guide has done it) that the two-parters in the 2005 series should be considered the same story, hence 164a and 164b for the Aliens of London / World War Three combo. However, Outpost Gallifrey has listed them as 164 and 165, and the BBC of course considers them Episode 4 and 5.
Arguments for listing two parters as (a) and (b) stories is that neither episode really stands on its own. On the other hand we had stories flowing into each other with quasi cliffhangers before, like the Frontier in Space / Planet of the Daleks divide, which is really one long story. Production codes which helped us in the past don't really apply now. So, thoughts? (a) and (b) or separate? -- khaosworks 15:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm imagining a page which simply lists, in alphabetical order, every Wikipedia article which related to Doctor Who. It would of course be a lot of work and of limited use.
More useful would be a little button in the lower-right corner of that page labelled, "Add every article linked to on this page to my Watchlist". Now THAT would be something. I've been crawling through all of the Who-related articles for days now (whenever I get a few spare moments) and adding things to my Watchlist, and I'm sure I've not reached the half-way point. Does Wiki have any sort of auto-watchlisting tools? This is going to take forever otherwise. Ravenswood 21:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I've created a Wikiportal page for Doctor Who. If anyone wants to help keep it up to date, check out the page. -- khaosworks 18:32, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
I've been threatening to do it for a while, so I've created Template:Doctorwhocharacter. I've put up test pages so people can see how they look and give their opinions as follows:
Let me know if this is worth doing. -- khaosworks 03:36, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think that the logo on the Doctor Who WikiProject page should be replaced with the new logo. Who agrees? Is there a special reason for keeping the old logo or is it just that nobody has bothered to change it?
Missing episodes should have its own article, possibly merged with incomplete episodes list?
When you say the incomplete episodes list do you mean the incomplete serial list? And when you say missing episodes do you mean that section of the Doctor Who article.
If so, then I'm sorry for changing the To-Do-List, but please could you clarify this.
Seeing as we already have an article on Doctor Who in America, it would be nice to have similar articles for some of the other countries that have broadcast Doctor Who around the world. Australia, for example, have been showing Doctor Who since January 1965, and New Zealand's first showing was even longer ago. It would be great to see Doctor Who in Australia and Doctor Who in New Zealand mentioning things like broadcast patterns, broadcasters, impact on society (deficit Daleks, anyone?), fan organisations and conventions, etc. I could probably contribute to a Doctor Who in Australia article but I'd be very interested to read about other countries' experiences of the show. Italy? Japan? France, Germany, Netherlands? Asia? Obviously it depends on someone being around with this kind of knowledge but surely it wouldn't be too hard to find information on Australia and NZ. Anyone else interested?-- The Brain of Morbius 07:42, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
I noticed recently that although there is a complete (?) list of the books, that there are no entries for the books themselves. Is this just because no one has done it, or it isn't considered canon or is a spin off? Some of the characters/events in the books are considered canon (to some people) and a lot of entries mention things that happen in the books, (I mean, also, we have a page for Iris Wildthyme) and that some characters in the books reappear from the television series... It would be no problem to go and create entries for these, with a picture of the book, maybe, on the entry. Also, should there be a doctorwhobook template that refers, at least for the Past Doctor Adventures, to the tv episodes it takes place around? And there could also be a category for characters that are only found in the books (we have a comic book characters category...) or important planets that are only found in the books. I volunteer myself to work on this... anyone want to help? -- Travlr23 11:37, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
How many spaces should be placed between the end of an article and a stub? There does not seem to be any defined answer at all, even within Doctor Who articles. Maybe we should have this mentioned on the WikiProject Page. -- bjwebb 19:38, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
We've been getting a number of these lately - articles about characters that appeared only once and whose details are really covered in the articles about the episodes where they appeared and are otherwise non-notable. Rather than creating loads of stub articles and/or duplicating information that is already (or should be) in the episode articles, and then finding ourselves locked up in VfD discussions, maybe it's time to create a Minor characters in Doctor Who along the lines of Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and start redirecting. My only fear is that given the 40-year history of the programme, there's going to be a crapload of these entries if we don't have some criteria for inclusion, even when it comes to this list.
Recently, we've had Pete Tyler, which I tried to get up to a decent level, but honestly, it shouldn't have been created in the first place. We've had Doctor Constantine, which is up for VfD, and now the latest one is Mavic Chen, which - to be frank - I don't see the point of. Thoughts? -- khaosworks 09:01, May 25, 2005 (UTC)