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We don't need this, do we? Categories for individual teams grow to be unmaintainable and meaningless, especially if the team changes names (I recall a Category:T-Mobile Team existing just last year before I had it deleted). OK to CFD this? I seem to recall past instances of similar categories being the very reason the team roster templates came into existence. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 02:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I would really hate to do this, as I think removal would reflect an incomplete picture of the race being run. Leading the classification at the end of the day is no more important than wearing the jersey during the stage. It might even be less - do
Egoi Martínez' team and its sponsors care more that he had the most points in the mountains classification for a few days, or that he got to wear a special jersey which meant he, and the team, would be the focus of many photographs. Furthermore, if we are to say that caretaker wearers are of no real significance, then I think the other jerseys' preliminary wearers, except maybe the leading GC jersey (and even then maybe only the yellow jersey in the Tour), are of no significance.
Jussi Veikkanen was in the breakaway and was the first over a couple of hills in one road stage...so what? He and his team and his sponsors benefited like Martínez', but the significance stops there. I really think the significances of jersey-wearing-but-not-jersey-winning for these two is every bit the same as it is for, say,
Amets Txurruka.
The reason I bring this up is because it's been suggested by an outside reviewer, again. And I think some here have expressed a desire to do away with these sections, too. So let's have the discussion. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 21:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Is this really an article we need? It's woefully out of date, for one thing - it says Petacchi was cleared of doping charges from the 2007 Giro, but no, he wasn't. I just further don't see why this necessarily needs to be split from 2007 Tour de France. It was fairly remarkable for two whole teams to be removed from the race, but that's hardly all this article is about (it's got a ton of fluff) and the doping section in 2007 Tour de France is quite small. It's not that this a poorly written article or anything, quite the opposite, I'm just not seeing the notability over doping cases in any other years, of which sadly there are many. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
One idea occurs to me after the first ProTour result of the season - should we separate criteriums from traditional one-day races in the infobox at the top of the pages? Certainly, a victory in the Cancer Council Helpline Classic is nothing like a win in, say, Paris-Roubaix, but under the current way the pages are built, they'd be counted the same. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
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Discussion moved to 1903 Tour de France talk page. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 07:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
This team is no longer known by this name. It is licensed to compete in 2010, but it does not yet have a name sponsor. Odd, I know. [1] So it would seem this article should be moved...but to what? Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 01:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Could someone from this project please take a look at the article Silver Strand bikeway? I have a lot of problems with this article; it reads like a travelogue (which Wikipedia is ( WP:NOTTRAVEL), is completely non-encyclopedic in its language, and has spam links. I was planning to transfer the real information into another article and then either nominate it for deletion, or blank it and make it a redirect. But I thought first I should ask advice here. Is this article within your guidelines for an article about a bikeway? Is it worth saving as an article at all? Thanks for any advice, and please reply at the article's talk page. -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I updated the {{
Palmares start}}
-template, such that a source can be added. I think it increases the verifiability of the project, so I would advise everybody to use it. I am not really a big fan of how it looks, so if you think you can improve on the looks of that source option, go ahead. -_
EdgeNavidad (
talk)
17:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
...a near-total rewrite of Giro d'Italia? I'm trying to make a featured topic out of Giro d'Italia (I'm, like, 2% of the way there after three or four months, so it's a looooong-term goal). What I'd like to have as the article for the race itself would bear little resemblance to the current state of the article. I could whip something up in the userspace first. Either way, I'm not going to get to this until the Olympics are over. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 00:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I am putting together a list of sourced professional races on User:EdgeNavidad/Professional. The idea behind this is that someday it can be used to see which races should be included in a cyclist's palmares. I don't know if I can finish it and ever make it into something useful, but it's a start. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 15:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Yo, I'm new, I'd like to get involved in cleaning some stuff up, getting the research done etc... where should I start, and who's up for newbie watching :P Megodbike ( talk) 17:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I've just been editing 1896 Paris–Roubaix and 1907 Milan – San Remo... I am willing to start working on subsequent years, as the template at the bottom of both pages suggests that we want to fill all the years. What's the consensus on whether that's encyclopaedic? Megodbike ( talk) 19:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Seems like there's nobody checking this talk page, so I'm just posting a link here if anyone could fix it? Thanks, in advance. lil2mas ( talk) 15:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I've tried something different with the career results of Francesco Ginanni with a sortable table with dates, placing, race name etc. The listing by bullet-point of results isn't really effective as it doesn't give much information on what results are good and where, and they don't allow like races (say, all races in Belgium) to be put together. I think a sortable table is the best solution to this but I don't know if the one I have created here has enough or maybe too much information! What do you think of this table? Severo T C 22:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I started a page on cycling notability, based on the one from the WikiProject Football. I tried not to write down my opinion, but to base it on the rules of professionalism. (Notable cyclist should have "competed at the fully professional level" ( WP:ATHLETE), and I assumed this transfers to teams and races. As the header at the top shows, it is not a policy or guideline, but it might be useful to determine which biographical stubs (those are the largest problem of this project, I think) are not needed. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 19:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Our project's fourth (really, third, because did any of us have anything to do with McDonald's Cycle Center?) FA, it may be a useful template for future articles (or revisions on existent articles) for individual editions of the Grand Tours.
And were it not for Tirreno-Adriatico starting tomorrow, I'd probably be going for a short break, too, but I'm gonna get to see that race firsthand, so that won't be an option ;p Next step is to get it on the main page - something tells me May 8 would be a good day for it. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 00:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
This'll be the third and last time I try bringing this up, since no one has seemed to want to discuss this. Both of these teams have said they are brand new teams. Both of these teams have obvious antecedents to 'defunct' teams from last season, and their licenses are held by the same people. We moved CSF Group-Navigare to Colnago-CSF Inox (but did nothing else with it! The lead still says CSF Group-Navigare is...), but we did not move LPR Brakes-Farnese Vini to De Rosa-Stac Plastic. I'm curious as to why. If there's a good reason, I'll go ahead and update Colnago-CSF Inox further, but I've held back on doing that for just this reason. They claim to be a new team - what's our basis for saying they aren't? What's our basis for saying that De Rosa-Stac Plastic is a new team (as no article yet exists for them)? Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 07:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The nationality of the UCI ProTeam is determined, at the UCI ProTeam’s choice, by:
1) The country of the registered office of the paying agent; or
2) The country of the registered office of the holder of the licence; or
3) A country where a product or service is marketed by the or a main sponsor under the name of
the UCI ProTeam or of a component of this name.
Katusha will fall under 3) I guess? Professional Continental teams have a slightly different criteria. Rule 2.16.007:
The nationality of the professional continental team shall be determined by the country of the registered offices or professional domicile of the paying agent.
Severo T C 00:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
After much discussion, I split Electric bicycle off from the Motorized bicycle article. With more than 100,000,000 million ebikes in use world wide, editor consensus favored giving them an article of their own. Now, how do I relink the new article to WikiProject Cycling? Thanks! Ebikeguy ( talk) 00:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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Talk:Vuelta al País Vasco#Requested move. Give 'er a look when you have a sec. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 07:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
What would be an appropriate infobox for Brian Cookson? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I forgot to mention here that I started an AfD for Ben Jacques-Maynes, a male American road cyclist who races in a UCI Continental team. I have nothing against him or his article, but I am trying to find out whether being in a UCI continental team is considered as competing on a fully professional level, a criterium for athletes to be notable. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 07:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
He is notable for three separate reasons:
1) He has won some Elite level professional races
2) He is a elite category professional cyclist
3) He is a member of a UCI registered cycling team.
Racklever ( talk) 11:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Has there been any official (read:citable) word that they've met the UCI's license requirements? Tomorrow is the last day for their phoney baloney "temporary" ProTour license. They've gotten official invites to races later in the year, but I've not seen anything that explicitly says their license is ship-shape. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 20:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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Talk:Lance Armstrong#RFC on team name presentation If this is considered forum shopping, I'm sorry, but I figure people who read this talk page would like to weigh in. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:43, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Infoboxes are repeatedly cropping up with jersey icons. I have been ignoring them in most circumstances although correcting/deleting ones where the jersey colour is wrong. I have been reading WP:ICONDECORATION and can't see how they offer either a navigational or layout function beyond any aesthetic value, so I think as a rule we should not use jersey icons within infoboxes.
Whilst I'm on the subject on infoboxes, WP:MOSFLAG says that as a rule, flags should not be used to identify nationality in an infobox. I propose changing the use of the "Country" field in the infobox to a "Place of birth" (and also add a "Place of death" for consistency). If medals are won while representing a cycling nation, the flag would still be displayed as part of the medal table, whether that is integrated into the infobox or not.
I bring these to your attention so we can find consensus before I do any action en masse. Severo T C 21:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Have we ever reached consensus on what should/should not be included in the palmares section of a rider's article? Is there a universal rule, or is a lower threshhold of acheivement acceptable for riders with a less illustrious history? Only wins? all podiums? How far down the field is noteworthy in a Grand Tour?
Either way, posting 14th in yesterday's Amstel Gold Race on Óscar Freire's article, and a few similarly over-enthusiastic edits by Piterland have been reverted. Kevin McE ( talk) 10:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't like one-sentence articles that never expand beyond a single sentence. Shame on me. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Let me put it another way: We shouldn't at all focus on what subjective standards someone needs to meet in order to "merit" (or whatever) a Wikipedia article. Someone "merits" one when a decent one can be written about them. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 21:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Just to inform you: I just nominated the 1904 Tour de France article for Good Article. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 16:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
The Via col/Mantova doping investigation is interesting. It's certainly no Puerto, but is it perhaps notable enough for an article? It sidelined Alessandro Ballan and Mauro Santambrogio, though Santambrogio has been reinstated. It is concentrated on the Lampre team (Ballan and Santambrogio rode for Lampre last year), who refused to pre-emptively suspend their targeted riders like BMC did. Apparently, the names will be named during the Giro. The investigations date back to 2008 and suggest coordinated team doping by the Lampre team up through this year (Petacchi and Bernucci have also been targeted). Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Another article I'm looking into writing is one on the Coppi-Bartali rivalry. Each rider's article has a little on it, but I think a fine standalone article could be written. There's a suitable category, Category:Sports rivalries, already in existence.
And at what point, if any, will the current Floyd Landis escapades merit an article? What should become of them now? Addendums to Lance Armstrong, Johan Bruyneel, Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team, Floyd Landis, Floyd Landis doping case, any/all of the above? Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 18:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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There are many articles about bicycle drivetrains. There are articles that discuss various drivetrain mechanisms: Derailleur gears, hub gear, Electronic Gear-Shifting System, and articles that discuss theory and usage: Bicycle gearing, gear ratio, gear inches. There are at least three articles about bicycles distinguished by their lack of gear changing mechanism. There are articles about the components of bicycle drivetrains ( cogset, crankset). There are articles that don't seem to be about much of anything at all: shifters. But there is no umbrella article to tie them all together.
The mechanism articles are constantly invaded by comparisons with other mechanisms, and with theory sections that are duplications. The Bicycle gearing article threatens to bog down with info on how the principles are expresses in each and every type of mechanism. Further, the Bicycle article has no central place to send the reader for details.
I propose an umbrella article Bicycle drivetrains where there can be a central, coherent breakdown of the various mechanisms, a place for comparisons, and for relating each mech to theory. It can be considerably more detailed than is appropriate in the top-level Bicycle article. It would be analogous to Bicycle brake systems in scope, but with subtopics complex enough to warrant their own articles.
IMO the project should also make a clear statement about the proper subject matter of each of the many drivetrain articles, and if necessary rename and/or consolidate some.
I welcome your opinions. Dmforcier ( talk) 22:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to know if there is any newspaper/magazine archives available online (specially in English) which we can consult and use them as references for old cycling articles. For instance, I know this one in Spanish, http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/hemeroteca/ , which covers all the newspaper history, since 1906. Is there anything similar for any American/English newspaper? Specially focused in sports would be the most interesting, of course. I'm planning on working on some 70's 80's 90's articles, but without valid references it would be difficult. Thanks. Gothmog.es ( talk) 19:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Electric bicycle has been much improved since it originally received its "C" rating. If an objective editor is up to the task of reviewing the article and re-rating it, if a new rating is deserved, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Ebikeguy ( talk) 19:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
As a heads-up, I have nominating all the sub-categories contained within this category to be renamed from Category:Wikilish cycling teams to Category:Cycling teams in Wikiland. The renaming discussion can be found here. Severo T C 00:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
I started an article on Ron Baensch, an Australian cyclist from the 1960s. I've pretty much exhausted my references and can't add much more, but if anyone can contribute further, go for it! Wikipeterproject ( talk) 21:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Matt Cooke (cyclist) has been proposed for deletion for lack of notability. I suspect he actually is notable, please look at it and decide whether you want to contest the decision. -- Schuhpuppe ( talk) 21:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I've just discovered Category:Lists of popular pages by WikiProject which contains pages of WikiProjects' most popular pages, updated monthly by bot. I thought that this might be a good idea for our project, to see what people are actually looking at. What do you all think? Severo T C 16:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Lucas Brunelle doesn't qualify as a notable cycler, but his work filming alley cat races and international bike events should pass muster. I put together this page over in my user space, I'd like to propose moving this draft version into main article space. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kate_morrigan/Lucas_Brunelle Kate morrigan ( talk) 02:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I have come across Category:Cycling road accident victims and am not sure how we should handle it. It consists of people who died while riding their bike, but often weren't notable for cycling in any other capacity. How then should it be categorised? If they aren't people who are notable for cycling, it shouldn't be in Category:Cyclists or its parent cat Category:Cycling people. But where else to put it? Severo T C 07:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
In a great service to poor typists like myself, the team sponsored by the French lottery have changed their name to simply FDJ. But I noticed no major announcement of the change, I simply became aware of it when I challenged the page move. Do we know from what date {{UCI team code|FDJ|2010}} should be replaced by {{UCI team code|FDJ|2010b}}? Beginning of the Tour de France? (which, by the same critewrion, is now presumably TDF) Kevin McE ( talk) 07:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
The pink and purple Italian team seems to have done similarly. There's no announcement of the name change, but a press release from June 27 says "Lampre-Farnese Vini" and one from the next day and all subsequent just say "Lampre-Farnese." This corresponds to usage in cycling media. I will make the necessary edits. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 02:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Are the official websites of cycling teams, such as [www.team-saxobank.com], considered reliable sources for articles on cyclists? Bart133 t c @ 19:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I've listed 2010 Giro d'Italia for peer review after making extensive revisions to the article over the last week and a half. Your input is of course welcome, but I'd also like to get non-WP:CYC eyes on it, so if you'd like to leave comments you may wish to identify yourself as a member of the project. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Icons such as File:Mountainstage.svg should be removed per Wikipedia:MOSICON#Encyclopaedic_purpose we don't add icons for the sake of it , also per WP:OR we don't invent icons. And finally the flags should go also as the riders aren't racing for a country per Wikipedia:MOSICON#Do_not_emphasize_nationality_without_good_reason Gnevin ( talk) 11:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Kevin McE removed these from the lists for the last two editions of the Giro earlier today. I reverted (because I think discussion should precede the rupture of consensus, not follow it) and suggested discussion occur here. What does everyone think of these? I like them, but I'm not sure if I'm simply accustomed to them. I can't really say why I like them. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 00:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Cervélo TestTeam | ||||
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No. | Rider | Pos. | Normal | TT |
61 | Carlos Sastre ( ESP) | 4 | ||
62 | Philip Deignan ( IRL) | 56 | ||
63 | Simon Gerrans ( AUS) | 43 | ||
64 | Volodymir Gustov ( UKR) | 54 | ||
65 | Jeremy Hunt ( GBR) | 150 | ||
66 | Ted King ( USA) | 113 | ||
67 | Ignatas Konovalovas ( LTU) | 90 | ||
68 | Daniel Lloyd ( GBR) | 114 | ||
69 | Serge Pauwels ( BEL) | 33 | ||
Team manager:
Thomas Campana |
I know it might seem kind of morbid, but this article is listed as being part of WikiProject Cycling and would probably benefit from some re-working by the members of this group.
If I'm wrong, please tell me. Otherwise, let's reject this whole "other articles are like this" argument as the baloney that it is. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 03:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
So, I think we have consensus on infoboxes: no jersey icons. I also think (although less sure on this one) we have consensus on jersey icons elsewhere (such as in a Major achievements or Palmarès section): no jersey icons again. Severo T C 08:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
in keeping this up to date would be greatly appreciated. The page I did last year wasn't 100% complete, but it was a big help in terms of keeping track of what templates to put on whose articles, and what to add to the team season articles. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi noobie here an in wikipedia land. I am looking to promote a wikipedia as a location for documenting history of Cycling in Western Australia. Any help would be appreciated- link to it, fix it, remove the warning, whatever Thanks Toby http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cycling_in_Western_Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wainfoatcyclingorgau ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
In the GA-review of 1906 Tour de France, I am told that the following sentence is very strange:
My problem is that it already took some time to come up with this construction, this seemed the least strange to me. If somebody have a quick idea how this would be phrased better, can they give a hint? Thanks! -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 20:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Now that transfer talk is accelerating, a reminder that according to the consensus we reached last December, announcement of contracts and phrasing such as "is scheduled to join Team SuperLux" are appropriate to the prose of the article, but teams are not to be added to the infobox until the turn of the year. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:43, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I tried to post the start list for the Vuelta, but something went wrong and the tables aren't laying out they usually do. I stink at creating tables anyway, so I'm not sure how to fix it. Blowing it up and starting over would be a perfectly acceptable option :p Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 20:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This is going to be even worse than the ONCE/Astana thing, methinks. Lampre and ISD will merge for 2011, with a "feeder team" at the Continental level similar to the Orbea/Euskaltel relationship. And they've signed Cunego to "Lampre-ISD". ISD re-signed Visconti earlier this month, so........what's the lineage here? Is it "Lampre-Farnese" ----> "Lampre-ISD" for the ProTour team? It certainly seems that's the case, but there's been nothing specifically said of Visconti's 2011 team since the now seemingly outdated news that ISD re-isgned him. What then, of the current Italian-registered Ukraine-backed Pro Conti team? Obsolete? Does this all pend the name of the Continental level "feeder team," which may well have ISD's lineage.
It may not seem like this all matters much, but I think it's bound to come up in the future, and it would be good to, as soon as possible, iron it all out. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 02:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Mainly for the cases of those like Bodrogi, Chris Froome, Nico Roche and others who ride for a country other than that of their birth, I would propose that we un-deprecate (Dedeprecate? Reprecate?) the nationality field, rather than subjugating it to place of birth. Rather than fork the discussion, can I draw attention to this? Kevin McE ( talk) 16:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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Today I read the 2010 Guide Historique for the Tour de France (here is Part 4), and it shows that the definitive classification of the 2008 Tour de France has still not been made, even though Ricco and Schumacher have finished their ban now. But for the 2009 Tour de France, it shows that Astarloza's victory has been removed and awarded to Sandy Casar, second in that stage. I searched for some news about this, and I found it mentioned in passing here. I guess that's enough evidence to change the results on the relevant wikipedia pages, and if I have time soon, I will do it, but I don't mind if somebody beats me. -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 12:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi. A few cycling articles have come in a massive copyright review (you can read all about it here, but you probably won't want to), and there is a question about the creativity of some lists that have been copied verbatim. Basic overview of the copyright situation here: the U.S. law that governs us does not protect effort in lists, so it doesn't matter how hard they are to compile. What matters is if they are creatively compiled: that is, if information is creative (e.g. "the best of....") or if organization is creative. As a community knowledgeable in cycling matters, some of you could be very helpful in determining the creativity of the lists in question. If you'd be willing to opine, please see specifically Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI#Cyclist tables. Thanks. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Just a little heads-up, I've had my account renamed from "Nosleep" to "Green-eyed girl." I'll keep the same sig for a couple of weeks to help people get used to it. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I just had a check at Category:Unassessed cycling articles and found some triathlon articles there. I'm not sure it has been made explicitly outside of the scope of WP Cycling before, so I propose that all triathlon related articles are taken out of the scope of the project since there is a WikiProject Triathlon. On a similar note, only triathletes who have been notable as cyclists (say the have ridden for a time as a professional or competed in a cycling event at the Olympics) should be categorised as cyclists. (This would also apply to the other multi-sport events including cycling, such as duathlon.) Sound reasonable? Severo T C 09:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
My own sugestion something like this ...
For triathlon related articles the following are within scope:
-- Kslotte ( talk) 14:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
For the reference, the discussion about mountainbike orienteering is found here. -- Kslotte ( talk) 17:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Currently it exist only five triathlon articles that is also tagged with WikiPorject Cycling: Talk:Ruby Miller, Talk:Paula Moseley, Talk:John Howard (cyclist), Talk:Iona Wynter and Talk:Athlinks. -- Kslotte ( talk) 17:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Athlinks is standard overlap and ten Triathlon itself. I wouldn't have a problem with any of these articles being within the scope of WP Cycling. Severo T C 09:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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The two pages have had a merge proposal sitting over them for a while, but looks like no one's bothered: they're both on my watch list and no activity. I don't mind having a go at this – I think it could be a net improvement – but only if there is not a negative consensus, if you see what I mean. I have also suggested renaming the result to "Cycling as transport" (with appropriate redirects). Keeping "cycling" as the first word means that when using the search box with prompts, it appears along with other things beginning with "Cycling", for the sake of the extra "as". Best, Trev M ~ 21:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Old name | New style name |
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Utility cycling | Cycling as transport |
Recreational cycling | Cycling as recreation |
Bicycle racing | Cycling as racing |
I've added a new articles section to the main project page. The list is generated by a bot, AlexNewArtBot. It works via a list of rules based on the occurrences of certain words within new articles: I wasn't in a lexical mood so I didn't fill in the list with good cycling words. What I did do is add all the categories within the scope of the project as highly scoring terms so if any new articles is created with one of the included categories, it shows up. However, it will miss any articles that are not categorised. Anyone can add to the list so be bold :) Severo T C 09:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I keep thinking about the
2009 Giro d'Italia and
Danilo Di Luca's results, whether they stand or not. IP's are constantly editing
Carlos Sastre and
Franco Pellizotti's articles to reflect them moving onto the podium and one step further up it, respectively. Di Luca is
frequently said
to have been stripped of
his overall placing (the last article even states that
Tadej Valjavec was 8th in the '09 Giro, even though on May 31, 2009 he was 9th), but I can find nothing from the Court of Arbitration for Sport that says this explicitly. Moreover, none of these casual references in related stories say anything about his two stage wins in the race. The other Wikipedias don't all agree. The
Catalan Wikipedia still lists the original results (as do many others that don't have particularly active editing of cycling articles). The
German Wikipedia has Menchov-Di Luca-Pellizotti-Sastre listed at the top of the overall results, with the order being 1-blank-2-3. The
Dutch Wikipedia has Di Luca stripped of his results, but no one promoted in his stead. The
French and
Italian Wikipedias, who probably have the most active cycling projects in other languages, each have Di Luca stripped of his overall standing and Pellizotti and Sastre moved up, and even give Menchov the points jersey, but still show Di Luca with his two stage wins. The most recent citation we have in our article is from March of this year stating that Di Luca planned to appeal the two-year ban he got from CONI to the CAS. So I don't know what we should be doing here, with the pertinent articles.
Green-eyed girl (
Talk ·
Contribs)
18:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Or if it does, that they'll have two names. Certainly there is a precedent for two teams under different licenses having the exact same name, and {{ ct}} does part of the job, but I think our handling of Astana has been less than exemplary anyway (on how many riders' articles, who rode for either {{UCI team code|ONC|2006d}} or {{UCI team code|AST}}, is the distinction spelled out? I can think of one). There will be a great quantity of riders' articles that should have some explanatory phrasing added to them if this happens, not to mention all the inbound links to Caisse d'Epargne or Caisse d'Epargne (cycling team) which need to be sure they point to the right article. Gah, what a mess. Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 18:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, let's spell out some possibilites:
Can you see why, all sympathy to Voeckler and Bernaudeau and all, I kind of don't want this to happen? :p Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 23:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Catastrophic headache averted -
Europcar is the new sponsor
[5]. I'm surprised Bernaudeau pulled it off at all, honestly.
Green-eyed girl (
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Contribs)
02:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I reckon most of this section comes under WP:NOTGUIDE. Would someone care to improve it? Otherwise I think it really should be removed. Thanks. — Half Price 18:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
There's also an Australian cyclist named Ben King (they're both in the U23 world championships road race, where one is being called "Burger King" and the other "Vegemite King" ;P ). I'm not sure if the Aussie meets WP:Notability, so at what point should the American's article be moved to Ben King (American cyclist)? Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 06:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I recently created Stringbike. The owner of the product advises that the article should be called "symmetric alternating drive for bicycles". I am not sure about having an article with that name. I would like to find the most appropriate name and then make Stringbike a section within that article. Suggestions?
He also would like the name Stringbike to have a TM or such beside the word. Do you think it is alright to just note that the name is a trademark? I have never seen the TM next to a product on Wiki.
Finally, if anyone has a camera and access to one of these bikes, a snapshot of the mechanism would be great. I am currently awaiting clearance on a couple of images of Stringbike, but the focus of the article will be the mechanism specifically. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:48, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
The story about which teams have applied for ProTour (WorldTour?) licenses for 2011 shows a few unexpected team names. HTC-High Road rather than HTC-Columbia (Columbia Sportswear not continuing sponsorship?) Geox-TMC (I've heard nothing about a cosponsor for this team...what is TMC anyway?), Vacansoleil-DCM (same), Andalucia Caja Granada, Colnago CSF (the "Inox" is omitted), De Rosa-Ceramica Flaminina (is it a continuation of one or the other of those teams, or a whole new lineage?). Anyone have insight into this? Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 05:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The article for Kogswell Cycles has been nominated for deletion here. Please weigh in if you like. Thanks! Ebikeguy ( talk) 20:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
How to record the presence in a race of someone who was very much there, but retrospectively is considered not to have been? Until today, races such as 2010 Tour of the Basque Country have had his stage results reported but struck through, and his end of stage standings and jersey possession left as they were, because those entries are statements of temporary standing, and therefore the contemporary record is the only one relevant. At least that's how I read the logic of it: I can't remember who set up the ad hoc convention, and it might even have been me.
Today, Lckyby has struck out all occurences of Valverde's name on the results and category leader lists on the Basque tour (compare yesterday's version with today's): overkill or thoroughness? Whichever it is, we should probably treat all the races he featured in the season prior to the suspension consistently. I have a mild preference for the previous, for reasons above, and because I think the disqualification is clear without overstatement, but am more concerned with consistency than which we use. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
A notability tag was recently placed on the Bicycle Quarterly article. I did some work on it and identified two reasonable references, but more work would be helpful. As many know, BQ is an important source for technical and test information as well as articles about other aspects of cycling. The BQ article on tire rolling resistance testing generated a great deal of surprise and interest from the cycling community a few years ago. See Lennard Zinn's take on that article here. Your help would be much appreciated. Ebikeguy ( talk) 16:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no Outline of cycling.
To create one, click on the redlink above and add this line:
{{subst:BLT|cycling|Cycling}}
Then press save and start adding relevant subheadings and links.
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For a relevant discussion see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/archive 40#What do you think about making an Outline of Birds?
Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.
The Transhumanist 19:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The Transhumanist 23:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I posted something here years ago about what to include in medal boxes (although there wasn't much comment at the times). I have been keeping roughly to what I put there, mostly because it is similar to what every other sport does. However, I noticed today an IP ( 194.66.216.40 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS)) was putting in junior medals for some (British) riders. I reverted but waas reverted back, so time to discuss: what medals should be included in those medal boxes, and what shouldn't? I think that the only results which deserve such prominence should be: Olympic medals, World Championships medals (in events contested at elite world championships, including under-23 if contested at the same championships), multi-sport competitions at elite level and I am coming round to continental medals at elite level. Any thoughts? Severo T C 12:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
to points classification in the Tour de France and mountains classification in the Tour de France (points class article looks outdated even from 2010, let alone 2011), to reflect the rule changes governing how the classifications are awarded going forward. I wrote up a brief overview for the 2011 Tour de France article, but I'm not sure if I had all the information. Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 05:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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We don't need this, do we? Categories for individual teams grow to be unmaintainable and meaningless, especially if the team changes names (I recall a Category:T-Mobile Team existing just last year before I had it deleted). OK to CFD this? I seem to recall past instances of similar categories being the very reason the team roster templates came into existence. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 02:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I would really hate to do this, as I think removal would reflect an incomplete picture of the race being run. Leading the classification at the end of the day is no more important than wearing the jersey during the stage. It might even be less - do
Egoi Martínez' team and its sponsors care more that he had the most points in the mountains classification for a few days, or that he got to wear a special jersey which meant he, and the team, would be the focus of many photographs. Furthermore, if we are to say that caretaker wearers are of no real significance, then I think the other jerseys' preliminary wearers, except maybe the leading GC jersey (and even then maybe only the yellow jersey in the Tour), are of no significance.
Jussi Veikkanen was in the breakaway and was the first over a couple of hills in one road stage...so what? He and his team and his sponsors benefited like Martínez', but the significance stops there. I really think the significances of jersey-wearing-but-not-jersey-winning for these two is every bit the same as it is for, say,
Amets Txurruka.
The reason I bring this up is because it's been suggested by an outside reviewer, again. And I think some here have expressed a desire to do away with these sections, too. So let's have the discussion. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 21:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Is this really an article we need? It's woefully out of date, for one thing - it says Petacchi was cleared of doping charges from the 2007 Giro, but no, he wasn't. I just further don't see why this necessarily needs to be split from 2007 Tour de France. It was fairly remarkable for two whole teams to be removed from the race, but that's hardly all this article is about (it's got a ton of fluff) and the doping section in 2007 Tour de France is quite small. It's not that this a poorly written article or anything, quite the opposite, I'm just not seeing the notability over doping cases in any other years, of which sadly there are many. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
One idea occurs to me after the first ProTour result of the season - should we separate criteriums from traditional one-day races in the infobox at the top of the pages? Certainly, a victory in the Cancer Council Helpline Classic is nothing like a win in, say, Paris-Roubaix, but under the current way the pages are built, they'd be counted the same. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
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Discussion moved to 1903 Tour de France talk page. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 07:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
This team is no longer known by this name. It is licensed to compete in 2010, but it does not yet have a name sponsor. Odd, I know. [1] So it would seem this article should be moved...but to what? Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 01:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Could someone from this project please take a look at the article Silver Strand bikeway? I have a lot of problems with this article; it reads like a travelogue (which Wikipedia is ( WP:NOTTRAVEL), is completely non-encyclopedic in its language, and has spam links. I was planning to transfer the real information into another article and then either nominate it for deletion, or blank it and make it a redirect. But I thought first I should ask advice here. Is this article within your guidelines for an article about a bikeway? Is it worth saving as an article at all? Thanks for any advice, and please reply at the article's talk page. -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I updated the {{
Palmares start}}
-template, such that a source can be added. I think it increases the verifiability of the project, so I would advise everybody to use it. I am not really a big fan of how it looks, so if you think you can improve on the looks of that source option, go ahead. -_
EdgeNavidad (
talk)
17:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
...a near-total rewrite of Giro d'Italia? I'm trying to make a featured topic out of Giro d'Italia (I'm, like, 2% of the way there after three or four months, so it's a looooong-term goal). What I'd like to have as the article for the race itself would bear little resemblance to the current state of the article. I could whip something up in the userspace first. Either way, I'm not going to get to this until the Olympics are over. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 00:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I am putting together a list of sourced professional races on User:EdgeNavidad/Professional. The idea behind this is that someday it can be used to see which races should be included in a cyclist's palmares. I don't know if I can finish it and ever make it into something useful, but it's a start. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 15:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Yo, I'm new, I'd like to get involved in cleaning some stuff up, getting the research done etc... where should I start, and who's up for newbie watching :P Megodbike ( talk) 17:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I've just been editing 1896 Paris–Roubaix and 1907 Milan – San Remo... I am willing to start working on subsequent years, as the template at the bottom of both pages suggests that we want to fill all the years. What's the consensus on whether that's encyclopaedic? Megodbike ( talk) 19:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Seems like there's nobody checking this talk page, so I'm just posting a link here if anyone could fix it? Thanks, in advance. lil2mas ( talk) 15:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I've tried something different with the career results of Francesco Ginanni with a sortable table with dates, placing, race name etc. The listing by bullet-point of results isn't really effective as it doesn't give much information on what results are good and where, and they don't allow like races (say, all races in Belgium) to be put together. I think a sortable table is the best solution to this but I don't know if the one I have created here has enough or maybe too much information! What do you think of this table? Severo T C 22:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I started a page on cycling notability, based on the one from the WikiProject Football. I tried not to write down my opinion, but to base it on the rules of professionalism. (Notable cyclist should have "competed at the fully professional level" ( WP:ATHLETE), and I assumed this transfers to teams and races. As the header at the top shows, it is not a policy or guideline, but it might be useful to determine which biographical stubs (those are the largest problem of this project, I think) are not needed. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 19:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Our project's fourth (really, third, because did any of us have anything to do with McDonald's Cycle Center?) FA, it may be a useful template for future articles (or revisions on existent articles) for individual editions of the Grand Tours.
And were it not for Tirreno-Adriatico starting tomorrow, I'd probably be going for a short break, too, but I'm gonna get to see that race firsthand, so that won't be an option ;p Next step is to get it on the main page - something tells me May 8 would be a good day for it. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 00:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
This'll be the third and last time I try bringing this up, since no one has seemed to want to discuss this. Both of these teams have said they are brand new teams. Both of these teams have obvious antecedents to 'defunct' teams from last season, and their licenses are held by the same people. We moved CSF Group-Navigare to Colnago-CSF Inox (but did nothing else with it! The lead still says CSF Group-Navigare is...), but we did not move LPR Brakes-Farnese Vini to De Rosa-Stac Plastic. I'm curious as to why. If there's a good reason, I'll go ahead and update Colnago-CSF Inox further, but I've held back on doing that for just this reason. They claim to be a new team - what's our basis for saying they aren't? What's our basis for saying that De Rosa-Stac Plastic is a new team (as no article yet exists for them)? Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 07:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The nationality of the UCI ProTeam is determined, at the UCI ProTeam’s choice, by:
1) The country of the registered office of the paying agent; or
2) The country of the registered office of the holder of the licence; or
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Katusha will fall under 3) I guess? Professional Continental teams have a slightly different criteria. Rule 2.16.007:
The nationality of the professional continental team shall be determined by the country of the registered offices or professional domicile of the paying agent.
Severo T C 00:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
After much discussion, I split Electric bicycle off from the Motorized bicycle article. With more than 100,000,000 million ebikes in use world wide, editor consensus favored giving them an article of their own. Now, how do I relink the new article to WikiProject Cycling? Thanks! Ebikeguy ( talk) 00:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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Talk:Vuelta al País Vasco#Requested move. Give 'er a look when you have a sec. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 07:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
What would be an appropriate infobox for Brian Cookson? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I forgot to mention here that I started an AfD for Ben Jacques-Maynes, a male American road cyclist who races in a UCI Continental team. I have nothing against him or his article, but I am trying to find out whether being in a UCI continental team is considered as competing on a fully professional level, a criterium for athletes to be notable. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 07:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
He is notable for three separate reasons:
1) He has won some Elite level professional races
2) He is a elite category professional cyclist
3) He is a member of a UCI registered cycling team.
Racklever ( talk) 11:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Has there been any official (read:citable) word that they've met the UCI's license requirements? Tomorrow is the last day for their phoney baloney "temporary" ProTour license. They've gotten official invites to races later in the year, but I've not seen anything that explicitly says their license is ship-shape. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 20:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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Talk:Lance Armstrong#RFC on team name presentation If this is considered forum shopping, I'm sorry, but I figure people who read this talk page would like to weigh in. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:43, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Infoboxes are repeatedly cropping up with jersey icons. I have been ignoring them in most circumstances although correcting/deleting ones where the jersey colour is wrong. I have been reading WP:ICONDECORATION and can't see how they offer either a navigational or layout function beyond any aesthetic value, so I think as a rule we should not use jersey icons within infoboxes.
Whilst I'm on the subject on infoboxes, WP:MOSFLAG says that as a rule, flags should not be used to identify nationality in an infobox. I propose changing the use of the "Country" field in the infobox to a "Place of birth" (and also add a "Place of death" for consistency). If medals are won while representing a cycling nation, the flag would still be displayed as part of the medal table, whether that is integrated into the infobox or not.
I bring these to your attention so we can find consensus before I do any action en masse. Severo T C 21:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Have we ever reached consensus on what should/should not be included in the palmares section of a rider's article? Is there a universal rule, or is a lower threshhold of acheivement acceptable for riders with a less illustrious history? Only wins? all podiums? How far down the field is noteworthy in a Grand Tour?
Either way, posting 14th in yesterday's Amstel Gold Race on Óscar Freire's article, and a few similarly over-enthusiastic edits by Piterland have been reverted. Kevin McE ( talk) 10:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't like one-sentence articles that never expand beyond a single sentence. Shame on me. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Let me put it another way: We shouldn't at all focus on what subjective standards someone needs to meet in order to "merit" (or whatever) a Wikipedia article. Someone "merits" one when a decent one can be written about them. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 21:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Just to inform you: I just nominated the 1904 Tour de France article for Good Article. -- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 16:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
The Via col/Mantova doping investigation is interesting. It's certainly no Puerto, but is it perhaps notable enough for an article? It sidelined Alessandro Ballan and Mauro Santambrogio, though Santambrogio has been reinstated. It is concentrated on the Lampre team (Ballan and Santambrogio rode for Lampre last year), who refused to pre-emptively suspend their targeted riders like BMC did. Apparently, the names will be named during the Giro. The investigations date back to 2008 and suggest coordinated team doping by the Lampre team up through this year (Petacchi and Bernucci have also been targeted). Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Another article I'm looking into writing is one on the Coppi-Bartali rivalry. Each rider's article has a little on it, but I think a fine standalone article could be written. There's a suitable category, Category:Sports rivalries, already in existence.
And at what point, if any, will the current Floyd Landis escapades merit an article? What should become of them now? Addendums to Lance Armstrong, Johan Bruyneel, Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team, Floyd Landis, Floyd Landis doping case, any/all of the above? Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 18:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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There are many articles about bicycle drivetrains. There are articles that discuss various drivetrain mechanisms: Derailleur gears, hub gear, Electronic Gear-Shifting System, and articles that discuss theory and usage: Bicycle gearing, gear ratio, gear inches. There are at least three articles about bicycles distinguished by their lack of gear changing mechanism. There are articles about the components of bicycle drivetrains ( cogset, crankset). There are articles that don't seem to be about much of anything at all: shifters. But there is no umbrella article to tie them all together.
The mechanism articles are constantly invaded by comparisons with other mechanisms, and with theory sections that are duplications. The Bicycle gearing article threatens to bog down with info on how the principles are expresses in each and every type of mechanism. Further, the Bicycle article has no central place to send the reader for details.
I propose an umbrella article Bicycle drivetrains where there can be a central, coherent breakdown of the various mechanisms, a place for comparisons, and for relating each mech to theory. It can be considerably more detailed than is appropriate in the top-level Bicycle article. It would be analogous to Bicycle brake systems in scope, but with subtopics complex enough to warrant their own articles.
IMO the project should also make a clear statement about the proper subject matter of each of the many drivetrain articles, and if necessary rename and/or consolidate some.
I welcome your opinions. Dmforcier ( talk) 22:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to know if there is any newspaper/magazine archives available online (specially in English) which we can consult and use them as references for old cycling articles. For instance, I know this one in Spanish, http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/hemeroteca/ , which covers all the newspaper history, since 1906. Is there anything similar for any American/English newspaper? Specially focused in sports would be the most interesting, of course. I'm planning on working on some 70's 80's 90's articles, but without valid references it would be difficult. Thanks. Gothmog.es ( talk) 19:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Electric bicycle has been much improved since it originally received its "C" rating. If an objective editor is up to the task of reviewing the article and re-rating it, if a new rating is deserved, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Ebikeguy ( talk) 19:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
As a heads-up, I have nominating all the sub-categories contained within this category to be renamed from Category:Wikilish cycling teams to Category:Cycling teams in Wikiland. The renaming discussion can be found here. Severo T C 00:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
I started an article on Ron Baensch, an Australian cyclist from the 1960s. I've pretty much exhausted my references and can't add much more, but if anyone can contribute further, go for it! Wikipeterproject ( talk) 21:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Matt Cooke (cyclist) has been proposed for deletion for lack of notability. I suspect he actually is notable, please look at it and decide whether you want to contest the decision. -- Schuhpuppe ( talk) 21:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I've just discovered Category:Lists of popular pages by WikiProject which contains pages of WikiProjects' most popular pages, updated monthly by bot. I thought that this might be a good idea for our project, to see what people are actually looking at. What do you all think? Severo T C 16:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Lucas Brunelle doesn't qualify as a notable cycler, but his work filming alley cat races and international bike events should pass muster. I put together this page over in my user space, I'd like to propose moving this draft version into main article space. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kate_morrigan/Lucas_Brunelle Kate morrigan ( talk) 02:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I have come across Category:Cycling road accident victims and am not sure how we should handle it. It consists of people who died while riding their bike, but often weren't notable for cycling in any other capacity. How then should it be categorised? If they aren't people who are notable for cycling, it shouldn't be in Category:Cyclists or its parent cat Category:Cycling people. But where else to put it? Severo T C 07:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
In a great service to poor typists like myself, the team sponsored by the French lottery have changed their name to simply FDJ. But I noticed no major announcement of the change, I simply became aware of it when I challenged the page move. Do we know from what date {{UCI team code|FDJ|2010}} should be replaced by {{UCI team code|FDJ|2010b}}? Beginning of the Tour de France? (which, by the same critewrion, is now presumably TDF) Kevin McE ( talk) 07:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
The pink and purple Italian team seems to have done similarly. There's no announcement of the name change, but a press release from June 27 says "Lampre-Farnese Vini" and one from the next day and all subsequent just say "Lampre-Farnese." This corresponds to usage in cycling media. I will make the necessary edits. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 02:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Are the official websites of cycling teams, such as [www.team-saxobank.com], considered reliable sources for articles on cyclists? Bart133 t c @ 19:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I've listed 2010 Giro d'Italia for peer review after making extensive revisions to the article over the last week and a half. Your input is of course welcome, but I'd also like to get non-WP:CYC eyes on it, so if you'd like to leave comments you may wish to identify yourself as a member of the project. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Icons such as File:Mountainstage.svg should be removed per Wikipedia:MOSICON#Encyclopaedic_purpose we don't add icons for the sake of it , also per WP:OR we don't invent icons. And finally the flags should go also as the riders aren't racing for a country per Wikipedia:MOSICON#Do_not_emphasize_nationality_without_good_reason Gnevin ( talk) 11:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Kevin McE removed these from the lists for the last two editions of the Giro earlier today. I reverted (because I think discussion should precede the rupture of consensus, not follow it) and suggested discussion occur here. What does everyone think of these? I like them, but I'm not sure if I'm simply accustomed to them. I can't really say why I like them. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 00:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Cervélo TestTeam | ||||
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No. | Rider | Pos. | Normal | TT |
61 | Carlos Sastre ( ESP) | 4 | ||
62 | Philip Deignan ( IRL) | 56 | ||
63 | Simon Gerrans ( AUS) | 43 | ||
64 | Volodymir Gustov ( UKR) | 54 | ||
65 | Jeremy Hunt ( GBR) | 150 | ||
66 | Ted King ( USA) | 113 | ||
67 | Ignatas Konovalovas ( LTU) | 90 | ||
68 | Daniel Lloyd ( GBR) | 114 | ||
69 | Serge Pauwels ( BEL) | 33 | ||
Team manager:
Thomas Campana |
I know it might seem kind of morbid, but this article is listed as being part of WikiProject Cycling and would probably benefit from some re-working by the members of this group.
If I'm wrong, please tell me. Otherwise, let's reject this whole "other articles are like this" argument as the baloney that it is. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 03:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
So, I think we have consensus on infoboxes: no jersey icons. I also think (although less sure on this one) we have consensus on jersey icons elsewhere (such as in a Major achievements or Palmarès section): no jersey icons again. Severo T C 08:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
in keeping this up to date would be greatly appreciated. The page I did last year wasn't 100% complete, but it was a big help in terms of keeping track of what templates to put on whose articles, and what to add to the team season articles. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 23:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi noobie here an in wikipedia land. I am looking to promote a wikipedia as a location for documenting history of Cycling in Western Australia. Any help would be appreciated- link to it, fix it, remove the warning, whatever Thanks Toby http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cycling_in_Western_Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wainfoatcyclingorgau ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
In the GA-review of 1906 Tour de France, I am told that the following sentence is very strange:
My problem is that it already took some time to come up with this construction, this seemed the least strange to me. If somebody have a quick idea how this would be phrased better, can they give a hint? Thanks! -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 20:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Now that transfer talk is accelerating, a reminder that according to the consensus we reached last December, announcement of contracts and phrasing such as "is scheduled to join Team SuperLux" are appropriate to the prose of the article, but teams are not to be added to the infobox until the turn of the year. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:43, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I tried to post the start list for the Vuelta, but something went wrong and the tables aren't laying out they usually do. I stink at creating tables anyway, so I'm not sure how to fix it. Blowing it up and starting over would be a perfectly acceptable option :p Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 20:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This is going to be even worse than the ONCE/Astana thing, methinks. Lampre and ISD will merge for 2011, with a "feeder team" at the Continental level similar to the Orbea/Euskaltel relationship. And they've signed Cunego to "Lampre-ISD". ISD re-signed Visconti earlier this month, so........what's the lineage here? Is it "Lampre-Farnese" ----> "Lampre-ISD" for the ProTour team? It certainly seems that's the case, but there's been nothing specifically said of Visconti's 2011 team since the now seemingly outdated news that ISD re-isgned him. What then, of the current Italian-registered Ukraine-backed Pro Conti team? Obsolete? Does this all pend the name of the Continental level "feeder team," which may well have ISD's lineage.
It may not seem like this all matters much, but I think it's bound to come up in the future, and it would be good to, as soon as possible, iron it all out. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 02:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Mainly for the cases of those like Bodrogi, Chris Froome, Nico Roche and others who ride for a country other than that of their birth, I would propose that we un-deprecate (Dedeprecate? Reprecate?) the nationality field, rather than subjugating it to place of birth. Rather than fork the discussion, can I draw attention to this? Kevin McE ( talk) 16:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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Today I read the 2010 Guide Historique for the Tour de France (here is Part 4), and it shows that the definitive classification of the 2008 Tour de France has still not been made, even though Ricco and Schumacher have finished their ban now. But for the 2009 Tour de France, it shows that Astarloza's victory has been removed and awarded to Sandy Casar, second in that stage. I searched for some news about this, and I found it mentioned in passing here. I guess that's enough evidence to change the results on the relevant wikipedia pages, and if I have time soon, I will do it, but I don't mind if somebody beats me. -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 12:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi. A few cycling articles have come in a massive copyright review (you can read all about it here, but you probably won't want to), and there is a question about the creativity of some lists that have been copied verbatim. Basic overview of the copyright situation here: the U.S. law that governs us does not protect effort in lists, so it doesn't matter how hard they are to compile. What matters is if they are creatively compiled: that is, if information is creative (e.g. "the best of....") or if organization is creative. As a community knowledgeable in cycling matters, some of you could be very helpful in determining the creativity of the lists in question. If you'd be willing to opine, please see specifically Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI#Cyclist tables. Thanks. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Just a little heads-up, I've had my account renamed from "Nosleep" to "Green-eyed girl." I'll keep the same sig for a couple of weeks to help people get used to it. Nosleep ( Talk · Contribs) 06:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I just had a check at Category:Unassessed cycling articles and found some triathlon articles there. I'm not sure it has been made explicitly outside of the scope of WP Cycling before, so I propose that all triathlon related articles are taken out of the scope of the project since there is a WikiProject Triathlon. On a similar note, only triathletes who have been notable as cyclists (say the have ridden for a time as a professional or competed in a cycling event at the Olympics) should be categorised as cyclists. (This would also apply to the other multi-sport events including cycling, such as duathlon.) Sound reasonable? Severo T C 09:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
My own sugestion something like this ...
For triathlon related articles the following are within scope:
-- Kslotte ( talk) 14:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
For the reference, the discussion about mountainbike orienteering is found here. -- Kslotte ( talk) 17:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Currently it exist only five triathlon articles that is also tagged with WikiPorject Cycling: Talk:Ruby Miller, Talk:Paula Moseley, Talk:John Howard (cyclist), Talk:Iona Wynter and Talk:Athlinks. -- Kslotte ( talk) 17:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Athlinks is standard overlap and ten Triathlon itself. I wouldn't have a problem with any of these articles being within the scope of WP Cycling. Severo T C 09:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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The two pages have had a merge proposal sitting over them for a while, but looks like no one's bothered: they're both on my watch list and no activity. I don't mind having a go at this – I think it could be a net improvement – but only if there is not a negative consensus, if you see what I mean. I have also suggested renaming the result to "Cycling as transport" (with appropriate redirects). Keeping "cycling" as the first word means that when using the search box with prompts, it appears along with other things beginning with "Cycling", for the sake of the extra "as". Best, Trev M ~ 21:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Old name | New style name |
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Utility cycling | Cycling as transport |
Recreational cycling | Cycling as recreation |
Bicycle racing | Cycling as racing |
I've added a new articles section to the main project page. The list is generated by a bot, AlexNewArtBot. It works via a list of rules based on the occurrences of certain words within new articles: I wasn't in a lexical mood so I didn't fill in the list with good cycling words. What I did do is add all the categories within the scope of the project as highly scoring terms so if any new articles is created with one of the included categories, it shows up. However, it will miss any articles that are not categorised. Anyone can add to the list so be bold :) Severo T C 09:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I keep thinking about the
2009 Giro d'Italia and
Danilo Di Luca's results, whether they stand or not. IP's are constantly editing
Carlos Sastre and
Franco Pellizotti's articles to reflect them moving onto the podium and one step further up it, respectively. Di Luca is
frequently said
to have been stripped of
his overall placing (the last article even states that
Tadej Valjavec was 8th in the '09 Giro, even though on May 31, 2009 he was 9th), but I can find nothing from the Court of Arbitration for Sport that says this explicitly. Moreover, none of these casual references in related stories say anything about his two stage wins in the race. The other Wikipedias don't all agree. The
Catalan Wikipedia still lists the original results (as do many others that don't have particularly active editing of cycling articles). The
German Wikipedia has Menchov-Di Luca-Pellizotti-Sastre listed at the top of the overall results, with the order being 1-blank-2-3. The
Dutch Wikipedia has Di Luca stripped of his results, but no one promoted in his stead. The
French and
Italian Wikipedias, who probably have the most active cycling projects in other languages, each have Di Luca stripped of his overall standing and Pellizotti and Sastre moved up, and even give Menchov the points jersey, but still show Di Luca with his two stage wins. The most recent citation we have in our article is from March of this year stating that Di Luca planned to appeal the two-year ban he got from CONI to the CAS. So I don't know what we should be doing here, with the pertinent articles.
Green-eyed girl (
Talk ·
Contribs)
18:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Or if it does, that they'll have two names. Certainly there is a precedent for two teams under different licenses having the exact same name, and {{ ct}} does part of the job, but I think our handling of Astana has been less than exemplary anyway (on how many riders' articles, who rode for either {{UCI team code|ONC|2006d}} or {{UCI team code|AST}}, is the distinction spelled out? I can think of one). There will be a great quantity of riders' articles that should have some explanatory phrasing added to them if this happens, not to mention all the inbound links to Caisse d'Epargne or Caisse d'Epargne (cycling team) which need to be sure they point to the right article. Gah, what a mess. Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 18:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, let's spell out some possibilites:
Can you see why, all sympathy to Voeckler and Bernaudeau and all, I kind of don't want this to happen? :p Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 23:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Catastrophic headache averted -
Europcar is the new sponsor
[5]. I'm surprised Bernaudeau pulled it off at all, honestly.
Green-eyed girl (
Talk ·
Contribs)
02:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I reckon most of this section comes under WP:NOTGUIDE. Would someone care to improve it? Otherwise I think it really should be removed. Thanks. — Half Price 18:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
There's also an Australian cyclist named Ben King (they're both in the U23 world championships road race, where one is being called "Burger King" and the other "Vegemite King" ;P ). I'm not sure if the Aussie meets WP:Notability, so at what point should the American's article be moved to Ben King (American cyclist)? Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 06:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I recently created Stringbike. The owner of the product advises that the article should be called "symmetric alternating drive for bicycles". I am not sure about having an article with that name. I would like to find the most appropriate name and then make Stringbike a section within that article. Suggestions?
He also would like the name Stringbike to have a TM or such beside the word. Do you think it is alright to just note that the name is a trademark? I have never seen the TM next to a product on Wiki.
Finally, if anyone has a camera and access to one of these bikes, a snapshot of the mechanism would be great. I am currently awaiting clearance on a couple of images of Stringbike, but the focus of the article will be the mechanism specifically. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:48, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
The story about which teams have applied for ProTour (WorldTour?) licenses for 2011 shows a few unexpected team names. HTC-High Road rather than HTC-Columbia (Columbia Sportswear not continuing sponsorship?) Geox-TMC (I've heard nothing about a cosponsor for this team...what is TMC anyway?), Vacansoleil-DCM (same), Andalucia Caja Granada, Colnago CSF (the "Inox" is omitted), De Rosa-Ceramica Flaminina (is it a continuation of one or the other of those teams, or a whole new lineage?). Anyone have insight into this? Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 05:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The article for Kogswell Cycles has been nominated for deletion here. Please weigh in if you like. Thanks! Ebikeguy ( talk) 20:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
How to record the presence in a race of someone who was very much there, but retrospectively is considered not to have been? Until today, races such as 2010 Tour of the Basque Country have had his stage results reported but struck through, and his end of stage standings and jersey possession left as they were, because those entries are statements of temporary standing, and therefore the contemporary record is the only one relevant. At least that's how I read the logic of it: I can't remember who set up the ad hoc convention, and it might even have been me.
Today, Lckyby has struck out all occurences of Valverde's name on the results and category leader lists on the Basque tour (compare yesterday's version with today's): overkill or thoroughness? Whichever it is, we should probably treat all the races he featured in the season prior to the suspension consistently. I have a mild preference for the previous, for reasons above, and because I think the disqualification is clear without overstatement, but am more concerned with consistency than which we use. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
A notability tag was recently placed on the Bicycle Quarterly article. I did some work on it and identified two reasonable references, but more work would be helpful. As many know, BQ is an important source for technical and test information as well as articles about other aspects of cycling. The BQ article on tire rolling resistance testing generated a great deal of surprise and interest from the cycling community a few years ago. See Lennard Zinn's take on that article here. Your help would be much appreciated. Ebikeguy ( talk) 16:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no Outline of cycling.
To create one, click on the redlink above and add this line:
{{subst:BLT|cycling|Cycling}}
Then press save and start adding relevant subheadings and links.
For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see Portal:Contents/Outlines.
For a relevant discussion see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/archive 40#What do you think about making an Outline of Birds?
Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.
The Transhumanist 19:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The Transhumanist 23:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I posted something here years ago about what to include in medal boxes (although there wasn't much comment at the times). I have been keeping roughly to what I put there, mostly because it is similar to what every other sport does. However, I noticed today an IP ( 194.66.216.40 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS)) was putting in junior medals for some (British) riders. I reverted but waas reverted back, so time to discuss: what medals should be included in those medal boxes, and what shouldn't? I think that the only results which deserve such prominence should be: Olympic medals, World Championships medals (in events contested at elite world championships, including under-23 if contested at the same championships), multi-sport competitions at elite level and I am coming round to continental medals at elite level. Any thoughts? Severo T C 12:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
to points classification in the Tour de France and mountains classification in the Tour de France (points class article looks outdated even from 2010, let alone 2011), to reflect the rule changes governing how the classifications are awarded going forward. I wrote up a brief overview for the 2011 Tour de France article, but I'm not sure if I had all the information. Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 05:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick ( talk) 20:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)