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I would like to see mention of top achieved speeds by the pros for the indiv time trial. Also, discussion of basic bike efficiency if not already covered ...
I have been working up the utility cycling article. I need to start putting in references and to clean up some of the phrasing. But before I get stuck into things like footnotes and internal links I would like feedback as to content etc. Is there anything obvious left out etc that needs to go in?? -- Sf 14:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
The following was on my talk page. -- Christopherlin 22:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm a novice Wikipedia writer, so bear with me. I'm not sure where to comment on the WikiProject, so I'm putting something here for now.
As a "utility cyclist" I would suggest a less racing-centric hierarchy for this project. This would include:
The utility cycling pages seem to be chaotic and bogged down in politics, of course... I'm not sure if I want to wade into that fray myself yet.
Drpritch 21:51, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have merged the Urban cycling and utility cycling articles. I was unable to see how both issues could be discussed without massive overlap. the resulting article still needs a lot of work. -- Sf 14:46, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Since many of the articles are related to road bicycle racing, I think that we should give a higher priority to cleaning up Union_Cycliste_Internationale. It could be very effective as a hub to direct readers to other pages, but at this time it doesn't even link to road bicycle racing. Julius.kusuma 19:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I know it might sound like a stupid topic, but could someone please have a look at this stub from a bike-person's POV and add some more info? Pics maybe... Thanks. Harro5 05:02, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
If a person is already listed under, say, Italian Cyclists does that mean that he should not be listed under Cyclists? The category Cyclists by nationality is listed under Cyclists but the names/pages which belong to the "Cyclists by nationality" page do not show up under "Cyclists" unless it is added to that second category. I am asking because User:SimonP has been deleting the "Cyclists" category in what he claims is unneeded, and I am not sure what the best resolution is. Julius.kusuma 20:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe we need a Category:Cyclists with surnames starting with A subcategory of Category:Cyclists by surname, as Wikipedia will already sort the category articles alphabetically. In fact, I don't believe we need a Category:Cyclists by surname at all, if we have both Category:Cyclists by nationality and Category:Cyclists by discipline. From a user point of view, interest in sportspeople are usually either based on their nationality or their discipline. And a "by surname" category doesn't add anything to the article. I mean, I could read the article about Alexander Vinokourov and be curious about other cyclists from Kazakhstan, or other Category:Road cyclists, but hardly other Category:Cyclists with surnames starting with V. So the category would just be noise in the article. If nobody protests I'll write some text about this in Category:Cyclists, and start reorganizing.-- Per Abrahamsen 08:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree that
Category:Cyclists by discipline is unnessesary, unlike nationalities there are not enough different disciplines to clutter
Category:Cyclists. I'm not sure about team categories, the team articles already tend to contain a list of riders on the team, and the rider articles tend to mention which team they are on quite prominently. So I'm not sure the team categories will add anything new. Adding templates like {{TMO}} and {{Team CSC}} for other teams would be useful, in my opinion. --
Per Abrahamsen
13:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi I would like to join this group I am only new to wiki but have a passion for all things cycling related.
I am currently suffering from post Tour de France withdrawals so this seems like a likely substitute.
As a new wiki I have been aimlessly stumbling around the wikipedia changing things. If anyone can offer me some more direction on what is needed, that would be great.
Thanks
Iggi.au
There is a real lack of race-related photos, and in order to remedy that I contacted a few team websites to see if they would let their images be used in Wiki. Phonak says yes, although they didn't respond to my request for a GFDL-type of release. Liberty Seguros-Wurth's website clearly states that their images may be used for commercial documents even. So I've uploaded a few images from both of these websites under the fair-use license instead. I'm trying to get in touch with a few other teams' website managers. The two websites are here for Phonak and for LSW. Julius.kusuma 12:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
The pending task, #5 as of now, regarding recumbents is a little insulting. I added a task "Make the point that recumbents while exceeding the performance of conventional, or diamond framed bikes, in some situations, there are many situations in which they perform poorer." Maybe a task to discuss the differences between these two types of bikes would be better.
The article on Transportation is currently nominated on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Vote for Transportation there.-- Fenice 09:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
As I mentioned in the Talk:Mountain biking page, I think that article and the Mountain bike article could use some work. The material in each of those pages is good, but the organization leaves something to be desired. Here's what I'm thinking:
Also, I'd move the North Shore section to its own separate article, linked from Mountain biking, since it's a topic in its own. Perhaps other famous mountain bike areas could be added, like Moab, Utah and others.
Any comments? -- Elkman 19:38, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there anywhere with a explanation if the the road bicycle racing races are categorized? They have some numbers "1.1" or "2.0" which indicates how important they are. -- Per Abrahamsen 11:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I'll shortly be working on a few regional trails in NE Illinois... specifically the Illinois Prairie Path, 61 miles of rails-to-trail paths in Cook, DuPage and Kane Counties. I don't see a category in either the hierarchy or Wikipedia for it to belong, however. Any suggestions? -- Rob 14:47, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Quite ironically, the wider cycle racing-related parts of the Lance Armstrong article can really use some re-work. Very little is mentioned of his early career as a classics one-day racer, and I think that this is a missed opportunity to introduce the wider world of cycle racing to the newer Lance Armstrong converts. Who is with me? ;-) Julius.kusuma 20:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I can't find a Wikipedia article which discusses any of the following in depth:
If such an article exists, can anyone direct me to it.
If there is no such article, I'm prepared to write an initial version, but I would like suggestions as to a suitable name for the article.
Murray Langton 09:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggested name. I've been working (slowly) on a first version, and expect to have something to put on Wikipedia in a few weeks. Murray Langton 09:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
On that note, I've been thinking that several articles under Category:Bicycle parts should be merged into a larger article, possibly Bicycle drivetrain. It would be an integrated treatment of everything from the pedals to the rear wheel. Bicycle gearing would logically follow as well. The idea was that things like cassette, crankset, chainring, and crankarm typically don't get many links from outside cycling, and it would be easier to read about all of them in one place. Comments? -- Christopherlin 16:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I think that merging all the drivetrain components together is a good idea, but remain of the opinion that component description is distinct from gear selection. On that note, I've added a new page 'Bicycle gearing', with only a single link so far from 'Bicycle'. There are still two sections to be completed, which I don't really have the experience to do - racing gears and off-road gears. Murray Langton 15:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I started to add an actual commentary on the UCI ProTour 2005 page. Feel free to either contribute, help clean-up a bit, or take some of the writing to add to the individual race's pages. Julius.kusuma 15:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I've been coordinating the efforts of several volunteers to flesh out a list of Los Angeles bike paths and it occurs to me it might make sense for us to develop some sort of standard structure for bike path articles. I've been using one that's somewhat non-ideal, for lack of any existing structure to work with. Does anyone have a standard structure that works better? Could we perhaps bat one around? Tom guyette 06:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
With all the cycling teams, what about infoboxes? -- Christopherlin 05:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
The biographical entries for professional bike racers ideally would contain a biographical sketch (which should be more than a mere prose rendition of their top cycle racing results) and a curriculum vitae or palmares. I have very detailed results listings for the top women cycle racers for the years 1997 - 2003. This is all in electronic form. For the years 2004 and 2005, the UCI now maintains a very good and easy to use database, similarly detailed.
The question is: what should be included in a rider's Palmares listings? How much detail? Just the GC and stage victories, for example. Or maybe the GC and individual stage finishes (top 5, for example). Since it is in electronic form, it is no extra problem to be this detailed, but it can make for quite a long listing in some cases.
JFPerry 22:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
JFPerry, I noticed that you made a large note under the p. of Jeannie Longo. I found this somewhere else as well; perhaps a template for this note would help keep it in synch? But it kind of gets in the way, so maybe a footnote? Let's hear your thoughts. -- Christopherlin 21:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Hub disambig doesn't lead to dura-ace or record. Before Zunaid's incorporation of rim (wheel) in Bicycle wheel and quick AfDing of the stub, I made a Spoke nipple stub and cleaned up the formula at Spoke. I once came up with a scheme for sorting stuff into three categories: motivation, perseverance and control (feet, seat and hands). This sort of works, but would put front and rear tires in separate categories. Carbon nanotube aerogel doesn't have to be a type of rim - yet. Parts proliferation screams for a scheme. Don't look to me for this - I'm a sulking slob who types bad URLs. Metarhyme 06:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
motorized bicycles? steam tricycles? many jurisdictions consider these just like a regular bicycle. Perhaps a new category is required under the cycling project? -- CylePat 02:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add a section on how to ride a bicycle? I don't know if that fits within the confines of what should be on an on-line encyclopedia but I'd find it interesting. Possibly it could be about the science, physics and physiology of cycling, thus it wouldn't necessarily be a "how to" page but would be about how to to ride a bicycle well. Also, this section could run the gamet of going from a child learning how to ride a bicycle to an intermediate or advanced cyclist perfecting their skills. I'm suggesting this because this is something that I'm interested in learning about but I have yet to find any good info on the web. - I don't know about the Web but you need to read Cyclecraft by John Franklin, the definitive guide. HMSO publish it. User:Richard Keatinge
So there's a Category:User car under Wikipedians by transportation, so why not Category:Wikipedian cyclists? Seemed like a good name. -- Christopherlin 20:25, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Depending on feedback (positive and negative), this may need to become a separate WikiProject.
I'm starting a series of articles on specific, notable trails in the Chicagoland area. I've also created a couple of categories for this purpose: Category:Chicagoland bicycle trails and Category:Grand Illinois Trail. So far the articles I'm concentrating on are Illinois Prairie Path and Grand Illinois Trail.
Illinois seems to have a good infrastructure when it comes to encouraging bicycle use, although the laws need a little help. If anyone wants to help, please leave a comment. Thanks! -- Rob 20:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
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I would like to see mention of top achieved speeds by the pros for the indiv time trial. Also, discussion of basic bike efficiency if not already covered ...
I have been working up the utility cycling article. I need to start putting in references and to clean up some of the phrasing. But before I get stuck into things like footnotes and internal links I would like feedback as to content etc. Is there anything obvious left out etc that needs to go in?? -- Sf 14:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
The following was on my talk page. -- Christopherlin 22:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm a novice Wikipedia writer, so bear with me. I'm not sure where to comment on the WikiProject, so I'm putting something here for now.
As a "utility cyclist" I would suggest a less racing-centric hierarchy for this project. This would include:
The utility cycling pages seem to be chaotic and bogged down in politics, of course... I'm not sure if I want to wade into that fray myself yet.
Drpritch 21:51, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have merged the Urban cycling and utility cycling articles. I was unable to see how both issues could be discussed without massive overlap. the resulting article still needs a lot of work. -- Sf 14:46, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Since many of the articles are related to road bicycle racing, I think that we should give a higher priority to cleaning up Union_Cycliste_Internationale. It could be very effective as a hub to direct readers to other pages, but at this time it doesn't even link to road bicycle racing. Julius.kusuma 19:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I know it might sound like a stupid topic, but could someone please have a look at this stub from a bike-person's POV and add some more info? Pics maybe... Thanks. Harro5 05:02, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
If a person is already listed under, say, Italian Cyclists does that mean that he should not be listed under Cyclists? The category Cyclists by nationality is listed under Cyclists but the names/pages which belong to the "Cyclists by nationality" page do not show up under "Cyclists" unless it is added to that second category. I am asking because User:SimonP has been deleting the "Cyclists" category in what he claims is unneeded, and I am not sure what the best resolution is. Julius.kusuma 20:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe we need a Category:Cyclists with surnames starting with A subcategory of Category:Cyclists by surname, as Wikipedia will already sort the category articles alphabetically. In fact, I don't believe we need a Category:Cyclists by surname at all, if we have both Category:Cyclists by nationality and Category:Cyclists by discipline. From a user point of view, interest in sportspeople are usually either based on their nationality or their discipline. And a "by surname" category doesn't add anything to the article. I mean, I could read the article about Alexander Vinokourov and be curious about other cyclists from Kazakhstan, or other Category:Road cyclists, but hardly other Category:Cyclists with surnames starting with V. So the category would just be noise in the article. If nobody protests I'll write some text about this in Category:Cyclists, and start reorganizing.-- Per Abrahamsen 08:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree that
Category:Cyclists by discipline is unnessesary, unlike nationalities there are not enough different disciplines to clutter
Category:Cyclists. I'm not sure about team categories, the team articles already tend to contain a list of riders on the team, and the rider articles tend to mention which team they are on quite prominently. So I'm not sure the team categories will add anything new. Adding templates like {{TMO}} and {{Team CSC}} for other teams would be useful, in my opinion. --
Per Abrahamsen
13:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi I would like to join this group I am only new to wiki but have a passion for all things cycling related.
I am currently suffering from post Tour de France withdrawals so this seems like a likely substitute.
As a new wiki I have been aimlessly stumbling around the wikipedia changing things. If anyone can offer me some more direction on what is needed, that would be great.
Thanks
Iggi.au
There is a real lack of race-related photos, and in order to remedy that I contacted a few team websites to see if they would let their images be used in Wiki. Phonak says yes, although they didn't respond to my request for a GFDL-type of release. Liberty Seguros-Wurth's website clearly states that their images may be used for commercial documents even. So I've uploaded a few images from both of these websites under the fair-use license instead. I'm trying to get in touch with a few other teams' website managers. The two websites are here for Phonak and for LSW. Julius.kusuma 12:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
The pending task, #5 as of now, regarding recumbents is a little insulting. I added a task "Make the point that recumbents while exceeding the performance of conventional, or diamond framed bikes, in some situations, there are many situations in which they perform poorer." Maybe a task to discuss the differences between these two types of bikes would be better.
The article on Transportation is currently nominated on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Vote for Transportation there.-- Fenice 09:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
As I mentioned in the Talk:Mountain biking page, I think that article and the Mountain bike article could use some work. The material in each of those pages is good, but the organization leaves something to be desired. Here's what I'm thinking:
Also, I'd move the North Shore section to its own separate article, linked from Mountain biking, since it's a topic in its own. Perhaps other famous mountain bike areas could be added, like Moab, Utah and others.
Any comments? -- Elkman 19:38, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there anywhere with a explanation if the the road bicycle racing races are categorized? They have some numbers "1.1" or "2.0" which indicates how important they are. -- Per Abrahamsen 11:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I'll shortly be working on a few regional trails in NE Illinois... specifically the Illinois Prairie Path, 61 miles of rails-to-trail paths in Cook, DuPage and Kane Counties. I don't see a category in either the hierarchy or Wikipedia for it to belong, however. Any suggestions? -- Rob 14:47, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Quite ironically, the wider cycle racing-related parts of the Lance Armstrong article can really use some re-work. Very little is mentioned of his early career as a classics one-day racer, and I think that this is a missed opportunity to introduce the wider world of cycle racing to the newer Lance Armstrong converts. Who is with me? ;-) Julius.kusuma 20:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I can't find a Wikipedia article which discusses any of the following in depth:
If such an article exists, can anyone direct me to it.
If there is no such article, I'm prepared to write an initial version, but I would like suggestions as to a suitable name for the article.
Murray Langton 09:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggested name. I've been working (slowly) on a first version, and expect to have something to put on Wikipedia in a few weeks. Murray Langton 09:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
On that note, I've been thinking that several articles under Category:Bicycle parts should be merged into a larger article, possibly Bicycle drivetrain. It would be an integrated treatment of everything from the pedals to the rear wheel. Bicycle gearing would logically follow as well. The idea was that things like cassette, crankset, chainring, and crankarm typically don't get many links from outside cycling, and it would be easier to read about all of them in one place. Comments? -- Christopherlin 16:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I think that merging all the drivetrain components together is a good idea, but remain of the opinion that component description is distinct from gear selection. On that note, I've added a new page 'Bicycle gearing', with only a single link so far from 'Bicycle'. There are still two sections to be completed, which I don't really have the experience to do - racing gears and off-road gears. Murray Langton 15:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I started to add an actual commentary on the UCI ProTour 2005 page. Feel free to either contribute, help clean-up a bit, or take some of the writing to add to the individual race's pages. Julius.kusuma 15:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I've been coordinating the efforts of several volunteers to flesh out a list of Los Angeles bike paths and it occurs to me it might make sense for us to develop some sort of standard structure for bike path articles. I've been using one that's somewhat non-ideal, for lack of any existing structure to work with. Does anyone have a standard structure that works better? Could we perhaps bat one around? Tom guyette 06:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
With all the cycling teams, what about infoboxes? -- Christopherlin 05:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
The biographical entries for professional bike racers ideally would contain a biographical sketch (which should be more than a mere prose rendition of their top cycle racing results) and a curriculum vitae or palmares. I have very detailed results listings for the top women cycle racers for the years 1997 - 2003. This is all in electronic form. For the years 2004 and 2005, the UCI now maintains a very good and easy to use database, similarly detailed.
The question is: what should be included in a rider's Palmares listings? How much detail? Just the GC and stage victories, for example. Or maybe the GC and individual stage finishes (top 5, for example). Since it is in electronic form, it is no extra problem to be this detailed, but it can make for quite a long listing in some cases.
JFPerry 22:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
JFPerry, I noticed that you made a large note under the p. of Jeannie Longo. I found this somewhere else as well; perhaps a template for this note would help keep it in synch? But it kind of gets in the way, so maybe a footnote? Let's hear your thoughts. -- Christopherlin 21:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Hub disambig doesn't lead to dura-ace or record. Before Zunaid's incorporation of rim (wheel) in Bicycle wheel and quick AfDing of the stub, I made a Spoke nipple stub and cleaned up the formula at Spoke. I once came up with a scheme for sorting stuff into three categories: motivation, perseverance and control (feet, seat and hands). This sort of works, but would put front and rear tires in separate categories. Carbon nanotube aerogel doesn't have to be a type of rim - yet. Parts proliferation screams for a scheme. Don't look to me for this - I'm a sulking slob who types bad URLs. Metarhyme 06:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
motorized bicycles? steam tricycles? many jurisdictions consider these just like a regular bicycle. Perhaps a new category is required under the cycling project? -- CylePat 02:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add a section on how to ride a bicycle? I don't know if that fits within the confines of what should be on an on-line encyclopedia but I'd find it interesting. Possibly it could be about the science, physics and physiology of cycling, thus it wouldn't necessarily be a "how to" page but would be about how to to ride a bicycle well. Also, this section could run the gamet of going from a child learning how to ride a bicycle to an intermediate or advanced cyclist perfecting their skills. I'm suggesting this because this is something that I'm interested in learning about but I have yet to find any good info on the web. - I don't know about the Web but you need to read Cyclecraft by John Franklin, the definitive guide. HMSO publish it. User:Richard Keatinge
So there's a Category:User car under Wikipedians by transportation, so why not Category:Wikipedian cyclists? Seemed like a good name. -- Christopherlin 20:25, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Depending on feedback (positive and negative), this may need to become a separate WikiProject.
I'm starting a series of articles on specific, notable trails in the Chicagoland area. I've also created a couple of categories for this purpose: Category:Chicagoland bicycle trails and Category:Grand Illinois Trail. So far the articles I'm concentrating on are Illinois Prairie Path and Grand Illinois Trail.
Illinois seems to have a good infrastructure when it comes to encouraging bicycle use, although the laws need a little help. If anyone wants to help, please leave a comment. Thanks! -- Rob 20:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)