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Anyone playing cricket and owns/has access to a digital camera? If it is possible, would they be kind enough to take out photos of the cricket ball, bat, stump, bail, gloves, pads etc.? Nichalp 18:48, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
Here is a list of the pics I have taken now, hosted at another server to save Wikipedia's space until we choose which ones to use, but here they are (you need to click on download to see the pic):
Ball: (no brand new ones were available, but I should have some soon...)
Bat:
Helmet:
Left-handed gloves:
Right-handed gloves:
Pads:
Due to focussing issues with my camera, some have a lot of empty space around the object, but they are pretty big pics, so feel free to crop or change whatever you want. If you choose to upload any of them to Wikipedia, just insert {{PD-user|Albinomonkey}} on the image page. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 05:59, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've been working on this article and would like to work it up to featured article status. I'd be grateful for any comments/improvements anyone has. In particular, if there are any Aussies out there who know something about the subject, it would be great to add some more stuff from an Aussie perspective. Many thanks in advance, jguk 16:54, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Okey-dokey, I can see when I'm outnumbered. I'll start using "Test" then. Just one thing, all the categories of the format Category:English test cricketers, etc. use "test". Unless someone knows a quick and easy way of changing them all to "English Test cricketers" and the like, I'll leave them there, jguk 19:18, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have some matter on the lime tree that was "killed". Does anyone have an idea on what to name the article?
Please add it in a relavent page. I am currently toooooo busy to think of an apt page title. Nichalp 18:21, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
"Every media outlet trotted out as undisputed certainty that only three batsmen had ever cleared the tree with a single blow - Learie Constantine first in 1929, big Jim Smith of Middlesex 10 years later and Kent's Carl Hooper in 1992. Not so.
This myth of three celebs must at once be scotched lest history accept it as fact. First to clear the fabled lime, four years before Constantine, was long-forgotten, breezily bullish Sussex amateur Colonel A C "Jacko" Watson, who in 1925 hit "Tich" Freeman not only clean over the tree but over the president's tent and the wide car park as well - and the lost ball was not found till the following spring, under bushes in a garden on the corner where Nackington Road meets the Old Dover Road. "
Source : http://sport.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,10260,1390182,00.html
I suppose Keating is one of the finest cricket writers around (or left). Can we consider this as authentic ? Tintin1107 22:16, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
More thoughts : Btw, Constantine's hit was not in 1929 as mentioned by Keating. So much for my faith in him :(
Hey guys,
AEJ Collins, the 13 year old schoolboy who made the highest ever recorded score (628 not out) has been submitted as a featured article. I'd be grateful for any help and input into this article you guys could make. :) Talrias 18:13, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking of putting the historic cricketer template on Graeme Pollock but am not sure which South African flag to use (see Flag of South Africa). It just seems odd to use a flag for some players that they did not play under (and in some instances would never have seen), though I must say, I wouldn't recognise the red ensign used between 1910 and 1928, and wouldn't relish deciding what to use for cricketers before 1910. (Of course, this also applies to 19th century Australians.) jguk 21:21, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've just launched this article - would be grateful for suggested improvements.
Just a slight diversion for me: I'll be off to improve my Test cricket in the 19th century articles now:) jguk 23:38, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've nominated Test matches in the 19th century (to 1883) as a featured article candidate on WP:FAC. Any comments/support would be welcome, jguk 21:43, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I put the "Cricket subcategories" category up for deletion over on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion since I don't believe it fits in with the existing guidelines on how subcategories should be structured. Jguk and Pcpcpc objected streunously, though, saying they needed a complete list of cricket subcategories for further work on organizing them and would continue to need them for years to come. I think this need would be far better served by a list rather than a category, so I'm going to port the category's contents over to one and hopefully demonstrate this. What sort of work is it that'll need to be done over the next few years, so that I can try tailoring the list's structure to it? Bryan 01:37, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Bryan, whilst I welcome your willingness to help with the cricket categorisation, I would also ask you to recognise that you are unfamiliar with the game and the current categorisations. Please discuss what you are doing before making loads of changes. Also, please recognise that we are never going to agree on the Cricket subcategories category. Just respect that it's there and help maintain it - if you wish to develop other categorisation tools alongside this one, by all means do so.
On the specific issue of South African cricket teams, these have changed their names quite a few times. Personally I would not open up a Kwazulu-Natal cricketers category, but stick to the Natal cricketers category. These categories relate to teams, not to nationalities - so it does not follow that all cricketers in that category will be South African cricketers, jguk 04:20, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I feel that there are too many cricket subcategories. I don't see the need of classifying the same player as "Cricketer, England batsman, England bowler, England allrounder" and and so on. Nichalp 17:54, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
I was having a look at wiktionary and found that is has a pretty good list of cricket related terms. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Cricket . As I will be busy for the rest of the month, is there anyone who could volunteer to add missing terms and fielding positions from cricket terminology and fielding positions in cricket into wiktionary? Nichalp 20:23, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I've posted a new article Test cricket families if anyone's interested or got anything to add. - Ianbrown 08:14, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Two new articles added for you Aussies out there: Pura Cup and ING Cup. - Ianbrown 12:39, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that you've all done an excellent categorising cricketers, and cricket in general! A very coherent and logical scheme that is a pleasure to browse through. I did wonder if Category:Cricketers by team will eventually have to be subdivided so that English, Australian etc teams are in separate subcategories (once all the Ranji Trophy teams get added it will be a very full category!) but I really have a query about categorising individual cricketers by era, so that contemporary cricketers would appear in the same category - that seems to be an alternative and sensible way of sorting them. "By decade" seems to be the best way to handle it - only a bare handful of cricketers would straddle three decades at international level. Since you seem to be "in charge" of cricketers generally I thought I would make the proposition here. Which format of these do you think would be best?
Formats 3 and 4 would fit better into your (logical) categorisation split between Test and ODI cricketers, but since so many cricketers would be in both, for two different decades, it runs the risk of "overcategorisation". Formats 1 and 2 wouldn't result in the same amount overcategorisation, but don't easily fit into the Test/ODI cricketer split (and it does seem relevant - IMO it would be nice to have at least one category in which both Nasser Hussain and Steve Waugh appeared as contemporaries, but Tim de Leede and Bas Zuiderent didn't join them! With the ICC switching to the new system for widening recognition of ODI status, under which if the England/Namibia tour matches of this Winter were played next Winter they would be full ODIs, recognising a Test/ODI split seems to be a good idea).
I'm quite happy to do all the manual categorisation myself but I just wondered if anybody here thought that such a scheme would be useful and in what way you would prefer me to do it. If anybody has any thoughts on 1-4 (or indeed any other alternatives), then please leave some replies here. Some feedback would be appreciated!
Oh, and one more idea - what about Category:Cricket World Cup winners or similar for CWC-winning cricketers? I know there are a large number of awards and champions in cricket, but the CWC does stand out as one especially worth including (more so than, say, ICC Champions' Trophy winners) even if you are a die-hard member of the "ODI cricket isn't proper cricket" brigade. VivaEmilyDavies 21:36, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've started to put together the rudiments of a cricket WikiPortal on Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Cricket. However, I'd like it to be a WikiPortal with a difference. The other ones have the editor in mind - I'd prefer to have the reader in mind, so that, once developed, the WikiPortal will be moved to " Cricket". Any comments/suggested improvements to the WikiPortal? jguk 20:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Now, we have one heck of a lot of cricket articles on Wikipedia. I think we need to have some criteria, just so that we can show a definite line for notability. I would suggest as follows:
Any suggestions? Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 15:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I want to improve the cricket page still further so am seeking volunteers to carry out certain tasks. Here's what I want to do:
Any takers? = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 15:07, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
What would a Wikibook have that we can't put on Wikipedia? jguk 19:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
I personally feel that the wikipedia coverage of cricket is full enough to create a wikireader. This needn't be something to be set in stone, but rather something to be continually updated. I am creating a list of articles in an approximate order that they might go in at User:Smoddy/Cricket WikiReader. I would appreciate comments or contributions. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 13:27, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This is a suggestion that we have a collaboration of the fortnight. The idea derived from Smoddy's WikiReader list, which shows a number of gaps in our cricket coverage which really ought to be filled. In particular, our write-ups of the national teams are somewhat indifferent at present (although the West Indian one is probably closest to FA status.
I've opened up a page on Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Collaboration of the fortnight to discuss possible collaborations. Maybe discuss what we want to do for now, with the first one coming in next week (Sunday 22 May). Kind regards, jguk 12:08, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
What should be done with the various nationality fields in the case of those such as Kepler Wessels who played for more than one country? And, even more so, what about players who changed their actual nationality - for example, did some India/Pakistan players do that after partition? Should the flag displayed be their birth nationality, their final nationality, the flag they played most under, or what? Loganberry 11:58, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
More queries :
In the last two days I added a few lines of verse to [ [19]] and [ Test cricket 1890-1900] . While such things are interesting or even informative, this is not the sort of things that you will usually find in an encyclopaedia.
Just wanted to know whether there is any difference of opinion about adding non-serious stuff in serious articles, in which case I'll delete them or move them to articles where they may not be out of place. If there isn't, I'll continue adding stories in a Trivia section under the articles, like the one about Ernie Jones' beamer through WG Grace's beard !
Tintin 14:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
An article on cricket-related poetry would be appropriate for WP - I think it would be quite interesting - maybe even a future Collaboration of the Fortnight. Such an article wouldn't quote at length from any one verse, therefore avoiding copyright problems (also, some of the older and better ones are out of copyright now anyway).
Only longer quotations would need to go on Wikisource. I say go for it Tintin, and I'll chip in every so often:
Also, how does that one about Hornby and Barlow go? Kind regards, jguk 17:36, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I've made a template similar to that of the 2005 English cricket season template, only for international tours this season. The season classification is from cricinfo. Thought it might be useful if we want to expand the coverage on other tours as well as the England competitions. Edit: I see now that the naming is a bit stupid - maybe some admin could rename it to "international cricket tours of 2005" instead of just international tours? Sam Vimes 09:20, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I was a little startled when editing The Ashes to discover that there is an article about results in cricket located at plain Result. As someone says on that article's Talk page (and I agree), it's hardly the first place someone specifically interested in cricket would look. I'm not sure whether there's a need for a specific Results in cricket page or the like, but if so it should certainly go in a less vaguely-titled article. Loganberry 02:23, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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Anyone playing cricket and owns/has access to a digital camera? If it is possible, would they be kind enough to take out photos of the cricket ball, bat, stump, bail, gloves, pads etc.? Nichalp 18:48, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
Here is a list of the pics I have taken now, hosted at another server to save Wikipedia's space until we choose which ones to use, but here they are (you need to click on download to see the pic):
Ball: (no brand new ones were available, but I should have some soon...)
Bat:
Helmet:
Left-handed gloves:
Right-handed gloves:
Pads:
Due to focussing issues with my camera, some have a lot of empty space around the object, but they are pretty big pics, so feel free to crop or change whatever you want. If you choose to upload any of them to Wikipedia, just insert {{PD-user|Albinomonkey}} on the image page. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 05:59, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've been working on this article and would like to work it up to featured article status. I'd be grateful for any comments/improvements anyone has. In particular, if there are any Aussies out there who know something about the subject, it would be great to add some more stuff from an Aussie perspective. Many thanks in advance, jguk 16:54, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Okey-dokey, I can see when I'm outnumbered. I'll start using "Test" then. Just one thing, all the categories of the format Category:English test cricketers, etc. use "test". Unless someone knows a quick and easy way of changing them all to "English Test cricketers" and the like, I'll leave them there, jguk 19:18, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have some matter on the lime tree that was "killed". Does anyone have an idea on what to name the article?
Please add it in a relavent page. I am currently toooooo busy to think of an apt page title. Nichalp 18:21, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
"Every media outlet trotted out as undisputed certainty that only three batsmen had ever cleared the tree with a single blow - Learie Constantine first in 1929, big Jim Smith of Middlesex 10 years later and Kent's Carl Hooper in 1992. Not so.
This myth of three celebs must at once be scotched lest history accept it as fact. First to clear the fabled lime, four years before Constantine, was long-forgotten, breezily bullish Sussex amateur Colonel A C "Jacko" Watson, who in 1925 hit "Tich" Freeman not only clean over the tree but over the president's tent and the wide car park as well - and the lost ball was not found till the following spring, under bushes in a garden on the corner where Nackington Road meets the Old Dover Road. "
Source : http://sport.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,10260,1390182,00.html
I suppose Keating is one of the finest cricket writers around (or left). Can we consider this as authentic ? Tintin1107 22:16, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
More thoughts : Btw, Constantine's hit was not in 1929 as mentioned by Keating. So much for my faith in him :(
Hey guys,
AEJ Collins, the 13 year old schoolboy who made the highest ever recorded score (628 not out) has been submitted as a featured article. I'd be grateful for any help and input into this article you guys could make. :) Talrias 18:13, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking of putting the historic cricketer template on Graeme Pollock but am not sure which South African flag to use (see Flag of South Africa). It just seems odd to use a flag for some players that they did not play under (and in some instances would never have seen), though I must say, I wouldn't recognise the red ensign used between 1910 and 1928, and wouldn't relish deciding what to use for cricketers before 1910. (Of course, this also applies to 19th century Australians.) jguk 21:21, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've just launched this article - would be grateful for suggested improvements.
Just a slight diversion for me: I'll be off to improve my Test cricket in the 19th century articles now:) jguk 23:38, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've nominated Test matches in the 19th century (to 1883) as a featured article candidate on WP:FAC. Any comments/support would be welcome, jguk 21:43, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I put the "Cricket subcategories" category up for deletion over on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion since I don't believe it fits in with the existing guidelines on how subcategories should be structured. Jguk and Pcpcpc objected streunously, though, saying they needed a complete list of cricket subcategories for further work on organizing them and would continue to need them for years to come. I think this need would be far better served by a list rather than a category, so I'm going to port the category's contents over to one and hopefully demonstrate this. What sort of work is it that'll need to be done over the next few years, so that I can try tailoring the list's structure to it? Bryan 01:37, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Bryan, whilst I welcome your willingness to help with the cricket categorisation, I would also ask you to recognise that you are unfamiliar with the game and the current categorisations. Please discuss what you are doing before making loads of changes. Also, please recognise that we are never going to agree on the Cricket subcategories category. Just respect that it's there and help maintain it - if you wish to develop other categorisation tools alongside this one, by all means do so.
On the specific issue of South African cricket teams, these have changed their names quite a few times. Personally I would not open up a Kwazulu-Natal cricketers category, but stick to the Natal cricketers category. These categories relate to teams, not to nationalities - so it does not follow that all cricketers in that category will be South African cricketers, jguk 04:20, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I feel that there are too many cricket subcategories. I don't see the need of classifying the same player as "Cricketer, England batsman, England bowler, England allrounder" and and so on. Nichalp 17:54, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
I was having a look at wiktionary and found that is has a pretty good list of cricket related terms. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Cricket . As I will be busy for the rest of the month, is there anyone who could volunteer to add missing terms and fielding positions from cricket terminology and fielding positions in cricket into wiktionary? Nichalp 20:23, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I've posted a new article Test cricket families if anyone's interested or got anything to add. - Ianbrown 08:14, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Two new articles added for you Aussies out there: Pura Cup and ING Cup. - Ianbrown 12:39, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that you've all done an excellent categorising cricketers, and cricket in general! A very coherent and logical scheme that is a pleasure to browse through. I did wonder if Category:Cricketers by team will eventually have to be subdivided so that English, Australian etc teams are in separate subcategories (once all the Ranji Trophy teams get added it will be a very full category!) but I really have a query about categorising individual cricketers by era, so that contemporary cricketers would appear in the same category - that seems to be an alternative and sensible way of sorting them. "By decade" seems to be the best way to handle it - only a bare handful of cricketers would straddle three decades at international level. Since you seem to be "in charge" of cricketers generally I thought I would make the proposition here. Which format of these do you think would be best?
Formats 3 and 4 would fit better into your (logical) categorisation split between Test and ODI cricketers, but since so many cricketers would be in both, for two different decades, it runs the risk of "overcategorisation". Formats 1 and 2 wouldn't result in the same amount overcategorisation, but don't easily fit into the Test/ODI cricketer split (and it does seem relevant - IMO it would be nice to have at least one category in which both Nasser Hussain and Steve Waugh appeared as contemporaries, but Tim de Leede and Bas Zuiderent didn't join them! With the ICC switching to the new system for widening recognition of ODI status, under which if the England/Namibia tour matches of this Winter were played next Winter they would be full ODIs, recognising a Test/ODI split seems to be a good idea).
I'm quite happy to do all the manual categorisation myself but I just wondered if anybody here thought that such a scheme would be useful and in what way you would prefer me to do it. If anybody has any thoughts on 1-4 (or indeed any other alternatives), then please leave some replies here. Some feedback would be appreciated!
Oh, and one more idea - what about Category:Cricket World Cup winners or similar for CWC-winning cricketers? I know there are a large number of awards and champions in cricket, but the CWC does stand out as one especially worth including (more so than, say, ICC Champions' Trophy winners) even if you are a die-hard member of the "ODI cricket isn't proper cricket" brigade. VivaEmilyDavies 21:36, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've started to put together the rudiments of a cricket WikiPortal on Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Cricket. However, I'd like it to be a WikiPortal with a difference. The other ones have the editor in mind - I'd prefer to have the reader in mind, so that, once developed, the WikiPortal will be moved to " Cricket". Any comments/suggested improvements to the WikiPortal? jguk 20:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Now, we have one heck of a lot of cricket articles on Wikipedia. I think we need to have some criteria, just so that we can show a definite line for notability. I would suggest as follows:
Any suggestions? Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 15:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I want to improve the cricket page still further so am seeking volunteers to carry out certain tasks. Here's what I want to do:
Any takers? = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 15:07, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
What would a Wikibook have that we can't put on Wikipedia? jguk 19:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
I personally feel that the wikipedia coverage of cricket is full enough to create a wikireader. This needn't be something to be set in stone, but rather something to be continually updated. I am creating a list of articles in an approximate order that they might go in at User:Smoddy/Cricket WikiReader. I would appreciate comments or contributions. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 13:27, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This is a suggestion that we have a collaboration of the fortnight. The idea derived from Smoddy's WikiReader list, which shows a number of gaps in our cricket coverage which really ought to be filled. In particular, our write-ups of the national teams are somewhat indifferent at present (although the West Indian one is probably closest to FA status.
I've opened up a page on Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Collaboration of the fortnight to discuss possible collaborations. Maybe discuss what we want to do for now, with the first one coming in next week (Sunday 22 May). Kind regards, jguk 12:08, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
What should be done with the various nationality fields in the case of those such as Kepler Wessels who played for more than one country? And, even more so, what about players who changed their actual nationality - for example, did some India/Pakistan players do that after partition? Should the flag displayed be their birth nationality, their final nationality, the flag they played most under, or what? Loganberry 11:58, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
More queries :
In the last two days I added a few lines of verse to [ [19]] and [ Test cricket 1890-1900] . While such things are interesting or even informative, this is not the sort of things that you will usually find in an encyclopaedia.
Just wanted to know whether there is any difference of opinion about adding non-serious stuff in serious articles, in which case I'll delete them or move them to articles where they may not be out of place. If there isn't, I'll continue adding stories in a Trivia section under the articles, like the one about Ernie Jones' beamer through WG Grace's beard !
Tintin 14:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
An article on cricket-related poetry would be appropriate for WP - I think it would be quite interesting - maybe even a future Collaboration of the Fortnight. Such an article wouldn't quote at length from any one verse, therefore avoiding copyright problems (also, some of the older and better ones are out of copyright now anyway).
Only longer quotations would need to go on Wikisource. I say go for it Tintin, and I'll chip in every so often:
Also, how does that one about Hornby and Barlow go? Kind regards, jguk 17:36, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I've made a template similar to that of the 2005 English cricket season template, only for international tours this season. The season classification is from cricinfo. Thought it might be useful if we want to expand the coverage on other tours as well as the England competitions. Edit: I see now that the naming is a bit stupid - maybe some admin could rename it to "international cricket tours of 2005" instead of just international tours? Sam Vimes 09:20, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I was a little startled when editing The Ashes to discover that there is an article about results in cricket located at plain Result. As someone says on that article's Talk page (and I agree), it's hardly the first place someone specifically interested in cricket would look. I'm not sure whether there's a need for a specific Results in cricket page or the like, but if so it should certainly go in a less vaguely-titled article. Loganberry 02:23, 27 May 2005 (UTC)