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Should WikiProject Cricket take a stronger approach on improving the standard of cricket computer and internet-based games, such as Cricket 2005, Cricket 2004, Stick Cricket and Cricket Manager? DaGizza 12:13 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Can someone check whether his first name should be George ? The Corner of a Foreign Foreign Field, which is included as a reference, mentions his name as George Robert Canning. The CI/Wisden article has him as George Harris. I guess it should be not be Robert either way.
What does the Derek Birley book say ? Tintin 06:02, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I've just written this... but am not at all sure about which catgories to use. I've gone for Category:National cricket teams on the grounds that they appeared in the 1979 ICC Trophy, have often played Scotland and Ireland, and also took part in those matches against England more recently. However, they're not ICC members, even affiliates, since the ECB covers Welsh professional cricket and so aren't a national cricket team at the highest possible level of Welsh cricket. They've also been a first-class team (1923-30) and are also now a minor county. Help! Loganberry ( Talk) 11:11, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I have compiled a list of Australian Test umpires, and am gradually writing articles on each one (often there's not much info around so they are just stubs waiting for expansion). One of these articles has been flagged for deletion on the grounds that the worthy gentleman was of little significance if all he did was umpire a single Test. What do you think? You can express your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Payne (umpire). If this umpire gets voted out, then there are others in the same boat who should be treated the same. And what about Test players who only played one Test? MulgaBill 21:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Haakon, have you seen Joseph McMaster? jguk 22:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
How about players from non-cricketing countries? I'd never consider writing an article on Mohammad Zeeshan Ali (Norwegian captain), for example, but players who have appeared in the ICC Trophy are probably notable enough. Or Under-19 players, for that matter... Sam Vimes 07:07, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Can I suggest:
and verifiability goes without saying. -- Ian ≡ talk 14:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, this topic really got some people's juices flowing! Thanks to all those who supported retaining the worthy John Payne - he must be chuckling in his grave at the interest his 5 days of fame stirred up (and most people only get 5 minutes!) I support the principle of defined criteria for inclusion. The trouble is, I suspect, we would all have slightly different criteria in mind. I would certainly want to see every Test player or umpire, and wouldn't object to every ODI player or umpire (though personally I consider ODIs as a travesty of the game). Coaches and administrators are a bit different as they don't "appear" in a match - but I'm sure some suitable criteria can be found to include worthy ones. Some first-class players/umpires who never appeared in a Test match would be worthy of inclusion - Sam Trimble and Jamie Siddons come to mind as Australian players who were close to Test selection but got no cigar. But surely not all first-class players - there must be ten thousand! How does one form a Committee on Wkipedia? MulgaBill 00:23, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
McGrath's back and I'm feeling good!
Betting odds FYI:
-- Ian ≡ talk 03:39, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I'd recorded Ravi Shastri commentating during the recent IND-NZL finals. I've uploaded the file under GFDL, but does the TV company have any copyrights over his voice? =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:28, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
On a similar note, Ball of the Century has attracted two comments asking for a video. I have a video, but as I said on Talk:Ball of the Century, it's copyrighted by the TV company who shot it. But is there any chance we can claim fair use on it, or is that simply beyond reason? - dmmaus 01:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Those team infoboxes look dirty with bold text and center alignment. Should I change it? =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:32, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
I have created
Template:West Indian batsmen with a test batting average over 50 as a template, I don't know if I've put a link to the template on every page. Please check--
Knucmo2
22:39, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Sports section:
(d)
Cricket in India has a concept of non-playing captain, where the captain, even though he is a part of the team, doesn't perform.
Should this have its own article? There's a lot of science emerging about it now.
By the way, only just discovered this Project........ NICE work! -- PopUpPirate 23:14, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Done :D -- PopUpPirate 19:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I was trying to find something on this, since it's affected quite a few bowlers recently, and also as I understand there's been a couple of rule changes as well. I'm a bit lost with this whole controversy. If someone were to put up a short article on what Chucking exactly is (with the whole elbow-straightening thing explained and the 10 degrees/15 degrees thingy), that would be a big help! A couple of explanatory diagrams wouldn't go amiss either.
On the topic of diagrams, I believe that they would be particularly helpful on the bowling pages, especially the pages that explain each type of delivery. -- Peripatetic 17:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Image wrongly named - ignore me on that one! Anyway, something I've been toying with today, would be nice to have a demonstration of the different types of balls such as offspin, outswinger etc, shown on each article. And maybe a demonstration for strokes too.
Good idea or not? Can anyone do a better job than me? (probably!) -- PopUpPirate 22:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Nick (Ngb), that's great! Two points: that's a leg-break; leg-spin is not exactly correct. 2) Can you also create an SVG rendering of that? =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Do we have any "official" WikiProject standards on this? I don't think we can manage to have all articles using exactly the same terminology since usage differs across the world - eg extras in Britain but sundries in Australia; a score of 200 for 5 in England but 5 for 200 in Australia. What follows is what I now do; comments are more than welcome.
Dates: linked normally for calendar years - 2004 - but linked to the appropriate season for, er, seasons - 2003. This leads to a lot of redlinks, but with any luck those articles will be written in time now that we're getting more and more members.
Overseas seasons: 2002-03 Australian cricket season, to appear in articles as 2002-03. Using a hyphen rather than a slash eliminates any possible subpage-related problems, and is also in line with Wisden style. It does mean a bit more care is needed in some cases: for example, Flintoff this winter will (one hopes!) take part in both 2005-06 (Australian season - the Super Series) and 2005-06 (Pakistan - the normal Tests and ODIs).
Statistics: Slashes for scores (200/5 or 5/200, depending on country) and hyphens for bowling figures (4-51). Doing this also helps with Australian articles where "5 for 78" might be either a poor team score or a good bowling performance. I have occasionally seen "78 for 5" used by Australians to mean a bowler taking five wickets for 78 runs, but only very rarely so I assume it's not at all common.
These are just examples of how I write things at the moment; if there's a consensus for changing to a specific standard different from the above then I'll go along with it, though I think in most cases the best solution would be to set up redirects so that, for example, all the common permutations of a date (eg 2002-2003, 2002-03, 2002-3, 2002/2003, 2002/03 and 2002/3, all plus "Australian cricket season") end up at the same article anyway. Loganberry ( Talk) 23:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
For statistics, I tend to say "x runs for y wickets" or vice versa: that makes it abundantly clear which is which ("6/7"? "7-6"? ) and allows links to run (cricket) and wicket (cricket). -- ALoan (Talk) 11:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I've started adding dates to the Recently Updated Articles on WikiProject Cricket so we know when to remove old ones. I suggest after a month, until such time as articles are created with such rapidity that the list grows too long and we need to shorten it. - dmmaus 03:04, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
There have been quite a few thoughts that the format "[Team A] in [Country B] in [Season]" is a bit ambiguous, the argument being that "there's gonna be a lot of Australians in England in 2005" (for example). Anyone have big objections if I started moving them to the slightly less objectionable "[Team A] cricket team in [Country B] in [Season]"? Yes, I know cricinfo and cricketarchive and Wisden use the first format, but they're specialised cricket pages, while we're a general interest encyclopedia.
While we're at it - Category:International cricket competitions could very well explode this year (if I continue to write articles at the rate I have been doing so far, anyway). Maybe it would be a good idea to create subcategories by international season, or alternatively by decade? Sam Vimes 06:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me or has wikipedia been getting slower and slower over the last month or so? -- Ian ≡ talk 14:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
What is/was the status of East and Central Africa? Cricket Archive indicates ( [3], [4]) that East Africa was an Associate Member of the ICC from 1966 until 1989, at which point it was replaced by East and Central Africa. The latter played in the ICC Trophy for some time, but do not appear on the ICC's official list now [5] so presumably the team no longer exists. Uganda, for example, became an Associate Member in 1998, but since E&CA played in the 2001 ICC Trophy it cannot have been a straight replacement. It all sounds pretty convoluted; has anyone got information on what actually happened? Loganberry ( Talk) 23:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I need the dimensions of the following for an average cricket ground: (yards OR metres will do)
=Nichalp «Talk»= 13:52, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Try http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-7-the-pitch,33,AR.html http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/appendix-b,75,AR.html Nothing there about averages for the main outfield though. -- PopUpPirate 15:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Ahh try this http://www.dangermouse.net/cricket/field.html -- PopUpPirate 15:24, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
While browsing the Australia talk page, I came across this tag for old Australian pictures:
{{ PD-Australia}}
The words 'Copyright has also expired on photographs taken prior to January 1, 1955' sound promising to me. Does that mean that we would be able to take any photo of say Bill O'Reilly (provided it was taken in Australia) and put it up on the article under this tag, or are there any other copyright issues?
I've made an attempt at an improved infobox, but my description is so long i put it in a subpage: /infobox. Discuss either here or there, probably best there.
Thanks AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 11:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Re:Loganberry Firstly, I agree with you about the players with ODIs but no Tests. I hadn't thought of that situation, maybe one way to allow for it is to let the person choose two (or four) categories (eg Tests & ODIs or ODIs & first-class),
and these could be used for the column headings - this would be pretty easy to do, and could be called (say) Flexible Infobox Cricketer, and be used instead of this one. This solution would also allow it to be used in place of Template:Infobox Historic Cricketer, say if you want to show Tests and First-class only. Secondly, I definitely agree about the balls/overs thing. The reason the example is like that is because I simply put the two existing infoboxes together, and for whatever reason, one used balls and the other overs. I prefer overs, but it's obviously time-consuming if not impossible to find the number of overs for an older cricketer (esp those who bowled where the standard over was changing). Again, it would be pretty simple to allow the person who enters the information to select whether they want Balls or Overs to be displyed, depending on what information is available to them, and I think it should be kept constant throughout a player's infobox. Finally, since this infobox is merely extra features added to the current one, it may not be necessary to have it replace those used already on pages. I believe Ngb originally started work on this due to the messy nature of the boxes on the Garfield Sobers page, and maybe this box could just be used on new articles and longer ones where the author thinks it appropriate to include First-class and List A stats. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 10:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Re:Raven When the infobox was originally created/suggested, it contained practically every stat available on cricinfo. This of course made it ridiculously long and useless on all but the most extensive articles. It was whittled down until what you see now remains, so obviously it was thought unnecessary for strike rate to appear. However, i also think it's an interesting stat, and like I said with point 4 above, maybe 5WI and 10WM could be moved into one row to create space for this extra one. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 10:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Why do we have these pages? Inswinger and outswinger are far better articles, and as far as I'm aware are much more commonly used names anyway. (They certainly are in England.) Comparison between cricket and baseball and a few other articles link to the "dipper" pages, but is there any reason why they shouldn't point to the "swinger" ones? Loganberry ( Talk) 23:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Usually, dippers end up mostly as yorkers, hence the term inswinging yorker. It boils down to common usage vs. correct usage. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:46, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Yet again someone is out to delete the work of the project... Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glamorgan v Northamptonshire 4 September 2005. And only a week before the season ends, too. Sam Vimes 07:17, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
PS: There's two of them: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Northamptonshire_v_Somerset_29_June_2005 Sam Vimes 07:23, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | → | Archive 15 |
Should WikiProject Cricket take a stronger approach on improving the standard of cricket computer and internet-based games, such as Cricket 2005, Cricket 2004, Stick Cricket and Cricket Manager? DaGizza 12:13 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Can someone check whether his first name should be George ? The Corner of a Foreign Foreign Field, which is included as a reference, mentions his name as George Robert Canning. The CI/Wisden article has him as George Harris. I guess it should be not be Robert either way.
What does the Derek Birley book say ? Tintin 06:02, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I've just written this... but am not at all sure about which catgories to use. I've gone for Category:National cricket teams on the grounds that they appeared in the 1979 ICC Trophy, have often played Scotland and Ireland, and also took part in those matches against England more recently. However, they're not ICC members, even affiliates, since the ECB covers Welsh professional cricket and so aren't a national cricket team at the highest possible level of Welsh cricket. They've also been a first-class team (1923-30) and are also now a minor county. Help! Loganberry ( Talk) 11:11, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I have compiled a list of Australian Test umpires, and am gradually writing articles on each one (often there's not much info around so they are just stubs waiting for expansion). One of these articles has been flagged for deletion on the grounds that the worthy gentleman was of little significance if all he did was umpire a single Test. What do you think? You can express your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Payne (umpire). If this umpire gets voted out, then there are others in the same boat who should be treated the same. And what about Test players who only played one Test? MulgaBill 21:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Haakon, have you seen Joseph McMaster? jguk 22:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
How about players from non-cricketing countries? I'd never consider writing an article on Mohammad Zeeshan Ali (Norwegian captain), for example, but players who have appeared in the ICC Trophy are probably notable enough. Or Under-19 players, for that matter... Sam Vimes 07:07, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Can I suggest:
and verifiability goes without saying. -- Ian ≡ talk 14:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, this topic really got some people's juices flowing! Thanks to all those who supported retaining the worthy John Payne - he must be chuckling in his grave at the interest his 5 days of fame stirred up (and most people only get 5 minutes!) I support the principle of defined criteria for inclusion. The trouble is, I suspect, we would all have slightly different criteria in mind. I would certainly want to see every Test player or umpire, and wouldn't object to every ODI player or umpire (though personally I consider ODIs as a travesty of the game). Coaches and administrators are a bit different as they don't "appear" in a match - but I'm sure some suitable criteria can be found to include worthy ones. Some first-class players/umpires who never appeared in a Test match would be worthy of inclusion - Sam Trimble and Jamie Siddons come to mind as Australian players who were close to Test selection but got no cigar. But surely not all first-class players - there must be ten thousand! How does one form a Committee on Wkipedia? MulgaBill 00:23, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
McGrath's back and I'm feeling good!
Betting odds FYI:
-- Ian ≡ talk 03:39, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I'd recorded Ravi Shastri commentating during the recent IND-NZL finals. I've uploaded the file under GFDL, but does the TV company have any copyrights over his voice? =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:28, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
On a similar note, Ball of the Century has attracted two comments asking for a video. I have a video, but as I said on Talk:Ball of the Century, it's copyrighted by the TV company who shot it. But is there any chance we can claim fair use on it, or is that simply beyond reason? - dmmaus 01:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Those team infoboxes look dirty with bold text and center alignment. Should I change it? =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:32, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
I have created
Template:West Indian batsmen with a test batting average over 50 as a template, I don't know if I've put a link to the template on every page. Please check--
Knucmo2
22:39, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Sports section:
(d)
Cricket in India has a concept of non-playing captain, where the captain, even though he is a part of the team, doesn't perform.
Should this have its own article? There's a lot of science emerging about it now.
By the way, only just discovered this Project........ NICE work! -- PopUpPirate 23:14, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Done :D -- PopUpPirate 19:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I was trying to find something on this, since it's affected quite a few bowlers recently, and also as I understand there's been a couple of rule changes as well. I'm a bit lost with this whole controversy. If someone were to put up a short article on what Chucking exactly is (with the whole elbow-straightening thing explained and the 10 degrees/15 degrees thingy), that would be a big help! A couple of explanatory diagrams wouldn't go amiss either.
On the topic of diagrams, I believe that they would be particularly helpful on the bowling pages, especially the pages that explain each type of delivery. -- Peripatetic 17:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Image wrongly named - ignore me on that one! Anyway, something I've been toying with today, would be nice to have a demonstration of the different types of balls such as offspin, outswinger etc, shown on each article. And maybe a demonstration for strokes too.
Good idea or not? Can anyone do a better job than me? (probably!) -- PopUpPirate 22:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Nick (Ngb), that's great! Two points: that's a leg-break; leg-spin is not exactly correct. 2) Can you also create an SVG rendering of that? =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Do we have any "official" WikiProject standards on this? I don't think we can manage to have all articles using exactly the same terminology since usage differs across the world - eg extras in Britain but sundries in Australia; a score of 200 for 5 in England but 5 for 200 in Australia. What follows is what I now do; comments are more than welcome.
Dates: linked normally for calendar years - 2004 - but linked to the appropriate season for, er, seasons - 2003. This leads to a lot of redlinks, but with any luck those articles will be written in time now that we're getting more and more members.
Overseas seasons: 2002-03 Australian cricket season, to appear in articles as 2002-03. Using a hyphen rather than a slash eliminates any possible subpage-related problems, and is also in line with Wisden style. It does mean a bit more care is needed in some cases: for example, Flintoff this winter will (one hopes!) take part in both 2005-06 (Australian season - the Super Series) and 2005-06 (Pakistan - the normal Tests and ODIs).
Statistics: Slashes for scores (200/5 or 5/200, depending on country) and hyphens for bowling figures (4-51). Doing this also helps with Australian articles where "5 for 78" might be either a poor team score or a good bowling performance. I have occasionally seen "78 for 5" used by Australians to mean a bowler taking five wickets for 78 runs, but only very rarely so I assume it's not at all common.
These are just examples of how I write things at the moment; if there's a consensus for changing to a specific standard different from the above then I'll go along with it, though I think in most cases the best solution would be to set up redirects so that, for example, all the common permutations of a date (eg 2002-2003, 2002-03, 2002-3, 2002/2003, 2002/03 and 2002/3, all plus "Australian cricket season") end up at the same article anyway. Loganberry ( Talk) 23:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
For statistics, I tend to say "x runs for y wickets" or vice versa: that makes it abundantly clear which is which ("6/7"? "7-6"? ) and allows links to run (cricket) and wicket (cricket). -- ALoan (Talk) 11:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I've started adding dates to the Recently Updated Articles on WikiProject Cricket so we know when to remove old ones. I suggest after a month, until such time as articles are created with such rapidity that the list grows too long and we need to shorten it. - dmmaus 03:04, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
There have been quite a few thoughts that the format "[Team A] in [Country B] in [Season]" is a bit ambiguous, the argument being that "there's gonna be a lot of Australians in England in 2005" (for example). Anyone have big objections if I started moving them to the slightly less objectionable "[Team A] cricket team in [Country B] in [Season]"? Yes, I know cricinfo and cricketarchive and Wisden use the first format, but they're specialised cricket pages, while we're a general interest encyclopedia.
While we're at it - Category:International cricket competitions could very well explode this year (if I continue to write articles at the rate I have been doing so far, anyway). Maybe it would be a good idea to create subcategories by international season, or alternatively by decade? Sam Vimes 06:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me or has wikipedia been getting slower and slower over the last month or so? -- Ian ≡ talk 14:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
What is/was the status of East and Central Africa? Cricket Archive indicates ( [3], [4]) that East Africa was an Associate Member of the ICC from 1966 until 1989, at which point it was replaced by East and Central Africa. The latter played in the ICC Trophy for some time, but do not appear on the ICC's official list now [5] so presumably the team no longer exists. Uganda, for example, became an Associate Member in 1998, but since E&CA played in the 2001 ICC Trophy it cannot have been a straight replacement. It all sounds pretty convoluted; has anyone got information on what actually happened? Loganberry ( Talk) 23:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I need the dimensions of the following for an average cricket ground: (yards OR metres will do)
=Nichalp «Talk»= 13:52, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Try http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-7-the-pitch,33,AR.html http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/appendix-b,75,AR.html Nothing there about averages for the main outfield though. -- PopUpPirate 15:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Ahh try this http://www.dangermouse.net/cricket/field.html -- PopUpPirate 15:24, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
While browsing the Australia talk page, I came across this tag for old Australian pictures:
{{ PD-Australia}}
The words 'Copyright has also expired on photographs taken prior to January 1, 1955' sound promising to me. Does that mean that we would be able to take any photo of say Bill O'Reilly (provided it was taken in Australia) and put it up on the article under this tag, or are there any other copyright issues?
I've made an attempt at an improved infobox, but my description is so long i put it in a subpage: /infobox. Discuss either here or there, probably best there.
Thanks AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 11:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Re:Loganberry Firstly, I agree with you about the players with ODIs but no Tests. I hadn't thought of that situation, maybe one way to allow for it is to let the person choose two (or four) categories (eg Tests & ODIs or ODIs & first-class),
and these could be used for the column headings - this would be pretty easy to do, and could be called (say) Flexible Infobox Cricketer, and be used instead of this one. This solution would also allow it to be used in place of Template:Infobox Historic Cricketer, say if you want to show Tests and First-class only. Secondly, I definitely agree about the balls/overs thing. The reason the example is like that is because I simply put the two existing infoboxes together, and for whatever reason, one used balls and the other overs. I prefer overs, but it's obviously time-consuming if not impossible to find the number of overs for an older cricketer (esp those who bowled where the standard over was changing). Again, it would be pretty simple to allow the person who enters the information to select whether they want Balls or Overs to be displyed, depending on what information is available to them, and I think it should be kept constant throughout a player's infobox. Finally, since this infobox is merely extra features added to the current one, it may not be necessary to have it replace those used already on pages. I believe Ngb originally started work on this due to the messy nature of the boxes on the Garfield Sobers page, and maybe this box could just be used on new articles and longer ones where the author thinks it appropriate to include First-class and List A stats. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 10:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Re:Raven When the infobox was originally created/suggested, it contained practically every stat available on cricinfo. This of course made it ridiculously long and useless on all but the most extensive articles. It was whittled down until what you see now remains, so obviously it was thought unnecessary for strike rate to appear. However, i also think it's an interesting stat, and like I said with point 4 above, maybe 5WI and 10WM could be moved into one row to create space for this extra one. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 10:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Why do we have these pages? Inswinger and outswinger are far better articles, and as far as I'm aware are much more commonly used names anyway. (They certainly are in England.) Comparison between cricket and baseball and a few other articles link to the "dipper" pages, but is there any reason why they shouldn't point to the "swinger" ones? Loganberry ( Talk) 23:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Usually, dippers end up mostly as yorkers, hence the term inswinging yorker. It boils down to common usage vs. correct usage. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:46, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Yet again someone is out to delete the work of the project... Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glamorgan v Northamptonshire 4 September 2005. And only a week before the season ends, too. Sam Vimes 07:17, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
PS: There's two of them: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Northamptonshire_v_Somerset_29_June_2005 Sam Vimes 07:23, 18 September 2005 (UTC)