![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 45 | ← | Archive 48 | Archive 49 | Archive 50 | Archive 51 | Archive 52 | → | Archive 55 |
Hello,
I'd like advice on an article I've created on the French Wikipedia do deal with district cricket in Australia: fr:Grade cricket et premier cricket ("Grade cricket and Premier cricket")
Thank you for your help (and sorry for the mistakes) !
OrangeKnight ( talk) 14:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
The next cog of the Invincibles is up. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 03:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I know this is shameless advertising :) I've written a Perl script to batch-upload your photographs to commons. ( See commons:User:Nichalp/Upload script) Highlights:
More details on that page. Now that give you no excuse not to put all those duplicate cricketer photos and cricket ground photos that you felt too lazy to upload. :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I was pretty surprised to see that there was no article on the Stanford Super Series, so I took a few hours to see what I could write up on it, and the articles there. I know it probably needs a formatting update, and probably to be expanded with criticism and the section on "how it came to be", etcetera, but take a look at the article, and let me know what you think. SirFozzie ( talk) 00:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
The ever-present effects on sports and politics didn't have an article. I've just created Sports diplomacy which others may find a good read and to add more to. Lihaas ( talk) 18:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed a rename of category:English cricketers of the 18th century to the more specific category:English cricketers of 1701 to 1786. This will make the names of all such categories consistent and it will resolve the overlap problem between this one and category: English cricketers of 1787 to 1815.
Could you please see [1] and ensure that the category doesn't get renamed as category:18th century insectologists :-)
Thanks. BlackJack | talk page 19:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Most of you will know that many cricketers like Colin Blythe and Hedley Verity were killed in the two World Wars, but did anyone know that a first-class cricketer was killed during the Napoleonic Wars? Richard Beckett, who last played in 1807, died in the closing moments of the Battle of Talavera in 1809.
Talavera was one of Wellington's most important battles in the Peninsular War but it is now largely forgotten. It's probably best known nowadays for Sharpe's Eagle. BlackJack | talk page 12:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Given the number of early cricketers in the unknown year of death category, I doubt if Beckett was the only one who died fighting against Napoleon. Some must also have been killed in other major wars like the Seven Years, the American Revolutionary and the Crimean. GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 10:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
[2] I'm suprised that Ponting managed to restrain himself. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 03:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to raise this again, but the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 49#WP:CRIN on club notability didn't reach a consensus. I've removed BlackJack's guideline because the mood seemed to be against it, but we could do with an agreement on what we would like instead, if possible. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 13:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Why are there two infoboxes for cricketers' pages? Infobox Cricketer vs Infobox cricketer biography? =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
columnx = ...
and Sambot will pick it up when I do a full run.
Sam Korn
(smoddy) 15:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Hi,
Just bringing to your attention an addition to the standard biog infobox. Due to the growing number of international players who have only played IT20 matches, I have added the provision of the debut/last IT20 matches in the "International Section" (mainly because otherwise international=true brought up a header and nothing else. And they are valid internationals).
I have recommended that these fields are never used when both Test and ODI information is present, and may be used when just one of the above exists. For example, Nadif Chowdhury has only played IT20 for Bangladesh, so I've added that in for a trial. Tim Bresnan is a candidate for displaying ODI and IT20 information - I've added in blank fields for a minute so Sam can test Sambot on it if he so wishes.
I know it was agreed to keep IT20 out of the infoboxes as much as possible, but I see no harm in doing so in the cases where it either fills space, or doesn't lengthen it (such as a stats column if one of the standard four = 0.
I also added "family = " a couple of weeks back, I don't know if anyone has seen it. I thought it would be useful, and haven't had any objections so far. There is an example at Mark Waugh I think (linking to SR Waugh. Again, only notable players get linked, and I suggest "scorecard initials" are used to limit the space it takes.– MDCollins ( talk) 22:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.
We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.
A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.
We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I had a quick glance up the page and couldn't see a discussion on this so apologies if it's been covered already. About a week ago someone suggested that all categories with the Australian state have Australia in brackets to disambiguate it. The category has since been changed but some such as Category:Parliament of Victoria haven't because they were raised specifically in the discussion as not being applicable. To the best of my knowledge there was no first-class cricket team in the UK or elsewhere called Victoria so should we consider getting this particular category changed back? Cheers Crickettragic ( talk) 06:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
(reposted from my talk page -- Dweller ( talk) 15:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC))
Hello sir, i've seen your good works on Don Bradman, i am a little confused about a story can you help me? When Don scored 334, he surpassed tip foster's ashes record of 287. can you tell me who was the bowler when don took a single to take over that record?? Please ! User:Bharath (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
User:Ahsaniqbal 93 uploaded pictures from CI with the mention "Allowed to be used in free websites like Wikipedia". See here and here. I don't think that Cricinfo allow their picture to be used on free websites (they aren't often even the copyright holders of the pictures), do they? OrangeKnight ( talk) 14:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished changing the infoboxes on those articles using {{ Infobox Historic woman cricketer}} over to {{ Infobox cricketer biography}}, if someone could nom the former for deletion (seeing as its no longer required) that'd be appreciated. Too knackered to do so myself, heh. - AMBerry ( t| c) 22:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Here. I *think* it's Billy Doctrove, but I'm not sure. The pic's freely-licensed, but I'm hesitant to upload a cropped version to the Commons unless I'm certain of who it is :) Cheers for any help! AllynJ ( talk | contribs) 17:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone use or update Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/List of cricketers? WOuld there be any serious objection to its being removed? BlackJack | talk page 13:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed in the assistance needed section you are requesting graphic designers for wikiproject needs. User:Red Gown is one of the most talented artists I've seen, she just doodles these works of art seemingly without effort! She drew Geoffrey Boycott for his article. Admittedly I am slightly bias, but I'm sure if you leave a note on her talk page she would enjoy doing whatever art/design jobs you require. SGGH speak! 12:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Would prefer it as simple line art, and if possible in SVG format, so that it can be tweaked (or animated, if and when supported). I know it's a lot here, so if its too much to do, then consider only the umpire signals as most important.
Umpire signals | Dismissals | Batting | Bowling |
---|---|---|---|
|
|
|
|
Do we have any models here who are willing to pose as umpires with white coat or willing to pretend to be batsmen playing a cut shot? Much more efficient? YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 01:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The "Afternoon Play" at 2:15pm this Wednesday on BBC Radio 4 is about WG Grace. It is set during his final f-c match in April, 1908. I imagine that it will be available on the BBC's Website for a week after it's broadcast, which will enable those outside the UK to listen to it. JH ( talk page) 09:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone update the Natwest Pro 40 tables as the leagues have now finished. It might be a good idea to do them once the County Championship has finished today. 03md ( talk) 15:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Just saw this at Talk:Forward defence.
It's, erm, humungous. I couldn't believe my eyes.
Can all the B rating gumpf be zipped up into a "show/hide" thingy please, asap? Thanks! --21:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Dunno if it's been fixed, or if it's my browser that's updated, but either way it's working fine now. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
As we all it knew it would, our "flagship article" has failed its FAR and has been demoted. This is not good for WP:CRIC and the problem, quite frankly, is those people who just have to stick any old image in or promote their pet hobby-horse about the sport's global popularity. Drivel like that has ruined what was once a good article.
Dweller, Andrew and I have begun the article again, moreorless from scratch, and have laid some foundations. We still need suggestions about the structure and especially about any additional topics that should be included. Once we have a clear consensus on what should go in and in what order, we can work on the detail and the citations.
One point that came across loud and clear in the FAR was the over-reliance of the old version on links. For example, stating that the fielding team includes a wicketkeeper (linked) and not one word about what the keeper does or even where he stands. Another was overuse of images.
Now that the FA rating has been removed, I've reviewed the new working version of the article against the B-class criteria and hoped it would pass. It hasn't. There simply aren't enough citations but we are working on that so it isn't too far off.
But the bottom line is that our main top importance article is only Start-class in quality. We need to take the old song and make it a lot better. BlackJack | talk page 09:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Nichalp. It gives us much more to go on. We will edit the wording very carefully to raise the article back to GA and eventually FA standard. The precise wording isn't an issue yet because in content terms it's the coverage of topics that is important at present. Thus, leg breaks have been mentioned, which is good, but have we mentioned off breaks? If we've got the topic we can edit the wording later. The article at present is still a first draft which was written with the aim of capturing the ideas and making a start. For example, the piece about minor counties is still in note form only; and the delicate part will be toughened up a bit before the GA team starts bowling at us! BlackJack | talk page 18:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The old version of the article in 2004 is awful and although you were talking about its layout it is full of errors. There is nothing wrong with the new version as a draft. The text needs finetuning and SGGH is right about URL because you should get your references about the laws from Wisden or another book. I would not change the present layout and cant think of anything else to add just some bits of detail only. The way the article is written like he is talking to the reader is good because it tells you one thing and then leads you easily into the next. Read the old one, you are jumping back and forwards all the time. The new one is good work but it needs the polish now.
86.150.241.72 (
talk) 16:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
Sorry to bring up the infobox again, but does anyone else feel that at times (particularly in the stubbier articles) that it is a little long? Is it worth considering using show/hide for some of the career stats/domestic teams etc? Perhaps it could be auto-set to 'hide', but with the option to explicitly'show' for full-length articles, or at least those where the prose is long enough to balance it?
– MDCollins ( talk) 10:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi all. I haven't been around this project for quite a while, but it occurred to me recently that something that might be useful would be a bot that updates statistics. Now that there is just the one template for cricketers (I remember the many we had in the past...) and Cricinfo's player pages are in tabular form, it wouldn't be hard to make a bot that would regularly update the infobox after a match.
Perhaps someone could let me know if this would be (a) useful, (b) non-redundant (as in, there isn't a bot that someone else has already programmed!) and (c) popular, as there would need to be a certain amount of community input in working out which pages would need to have which information.
Thanks! Sam Korn (smoddy) 20:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Brett Lee http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/5/5951/5951.html Tests ODIs First-class List-A
Personally, I think if we can't get agreement from CricketArchive or Cricinfo, this is a complete non-starter. I'd even go so far as to rule out Cricinfo, as their stats are incorrect in a few places. Andrew nixon ( talk) 13:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Would a note to The quiz guru be worthwhile?. Moondyne 07:38, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that if this proves to be possible, I would prefer CA stats to Cricinfo ones by a wide margin. My experience has been that they're generally better in most regards, and of course CA's individual match scorecards, season summaries etc are nicer. Loganberry ( Talk) 12:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Can I suggest that if we go ahead with this, to prevent all kinds of problems, we would at least initially restrict it to working on players who are deceased? Retired players may come out of retirement, but dead ones' stats only change when the statisticians or the ICC are bored. (Sorry Blackjack). Oh, and we already have a well-used cat: for pools of deceased data. -- Dweller ( talk) 13:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I have just had a very useful conversation with one of the founders of CricketArchive and they are very happy for us to use their information for current international players. Understandably they would prefer if we didn't grab all the information for all first-class players ever, so I will restrict it to current players only.
I anticipate the bot running in approximately this fashion:
Does anyone have any suggestions to improve this before I start writing it and requesting bot approvals?
Sam Korn (smoddy) 13:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Extended content
|
---|
array(2) { ["batting"]=> array(8) { ["Tests"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(2) "68" ["inns"]=> string(2) "77" ["runs"]=> string(5) "1,287" ["top score"]=> string(2) "64" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "21.45" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "5" ["srate"]=> string(5) "54.76" ["catches"]=> string(2) "21" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["First-class"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(3) "106" ["inns"]=> string(3) "124" ["runs"]=> string(5) "1,950" ["top score"]=> string(2) "97" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "19.50" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "8" ["srate"]=> NULL ["catches"]=> string(2) "32" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(3) "173" ["inns"]=> string(2) "85" ["runs"]=> string(3) "855" ["top score"]=> string(2) "57" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "17.44" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "2" ["srate"]=> string(5) "80.66" ["catches"]=> string(2) "41" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["List A"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(3) "205" ["inns"]=> string(3) "104" ["runs"]=> string(5) "1,010" ["top score"]=> string(2) "57" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "16.83" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "2" ["srate"]=> string(5) "80.99" ["catches"]=> string(2) "46" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["International Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(2) "13" ["inns"]=> string(1) "6" ["runs"]=> string(2) "75" ["top score"]=> string(2) "43" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "25.00" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> string(6) "138.88" ["catches"]=> string(1) "5" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(2) "17" ["inns"]=> string(1) "9" ["runs"]=> string(2) "92" ["top score"]=> string(2) "43" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "23.00" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> string(6) "137.31" ["catches"]=> string(1) "8" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["Youth Tests"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(1) "6" ["inns"]=> string(1) "8" ["runs"]=> string(2) "21" ["top score"]=> string(1) "9" ["bat avg"]=> string(4) "3.50" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> NULL ["catches"]=> string(1) "4" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["Youth ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(1) "5" ["inns"]=> string(1) "2" ["runs"]=> string(1) "7" ["top score"]=> string(1) "5" ["bat avg"]=> string(4) "7.00" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> NULL ["catches"]=> string(1) "0" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } } ["bowling"]=> array(8) { ["Tests"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(6) "14,764" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "496" ["runs"]=> string(5) "8,550" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "289" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-30" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "29.58" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "9" ["tenfor"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> string(5) "51.08" ["econ"]=> string(4) "3.47" } ["First-class"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(6) "22,000" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "743" ["runs"]=> string(6) "12,508" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "457" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(5) "7-114" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "27.36" ["fivefor"]=> string(2) "18" ["tenfor"]=> string(1) "2" ["srate"]=> string(5) "48.14" ["econ"]=> string(4) "3.41" } ["ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(5) "8,853" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "113" ["runs"]=> string(5) "6,955" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "303" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-22" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "22.95" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "8" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "29.21" ["econ"]=> string(4) "4.71" } ["List A"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(6) "10,595" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "140" ["runs"]=> string(5) "8,178" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "345" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-22" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "23.70" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "8" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "30.71" ["econ"]=> string(4) "4.63" } ["International Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(3) "277" ["maidens"]=> string(1) "0" ["runs"]=> string(3) "334" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "12" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "3-27" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "27.83" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "0" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "23.08" ["econ"]=> string(4) "7.23" } ["Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(3) "373" ["maidens"]=> string(1) "0" ["runs"]=> string(3) "446" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "16" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "3-27" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "27.87" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "0" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "23.31" ["econ"]=> string(4) "7.17" } ["Youth Tests"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(5) "1,361" ["maidens"]=> string(2) "40" ["runs"]=> string(3) "743" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "21" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "4-61" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "35.38" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "0" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "64.80" ["econ"]=> string(4) "3.27" } ["Youth ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(3) "233" ["maidens"]=> string(1) "1" ["runs"]=> string(3) "207" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "10" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-32" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "20.70" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "1" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "23.30" ["econ"]=> string(4) "5.33" } } } |
<reindent>I'm not sure about the depth of coverage of CricketArchive, but this is what I have in mind as a suggestion. I was looking for the bot to scrape and parse all the rows on cricketers as depicted on
Cricinfo. We could then use the data to build our own cricket-related SQL database on toolserver. It shouldn't be too difficult scraping the data: The content there is held inside <table class="engineTable">
, so you can probably apply some XML parsing methods to get this data. This would give us a healthy database of our own to start with. Once this is done, the bot can update the statistics, and also create SVG-graphs. Some graph ideas: Batting averages vs time; Averages vs different countries; Averages vs at home vs away and so on. Since we are using a bot, a text can also localise the graph labels in various languages. How does this sound?
=Nichalp
«Talk»= 17:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Sambot ( talk · contribs) has had a 7-day approval. I need to work at getting all the international cricketers who have played in the last year listed at User:Sambot/players. I have got all the English ones and will be working on adding all the others over the next couple of days. If anyone wishes to join in, they are very welcome to! Once I have the full list, I shall do a full run of the bot so I can submit it on the request for approval as evidence of the successful running of the bot.
Sam Korn (smoddy) 22:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
One problem spotted - it replaces the / in bowling figures with a dash, ie. 5/20 becomes 5-20, which goes against our style guide. Andrew nixon ( talk) 09:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Slowly but surely most are done - just Sri Lanka/Pakistan to do of the full members now. Just wondering if we should perhaps include associate members (with ODI/T20I status) in this? I can't see any harm in doing so. AllynJ ( talk | contribs) 14:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The bot is now approved, and I shall run it at about 4AM on a Saturday morning, to get a low-traffic period. If you spot any problems with it, please do let me know! If it's doing something particularly stupid, place some text (anything!) at User:Sambot/shutdown. Thanks for the help in migrating infoboxes! Sam Korn (smoddy) 14:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 45 | ← | Archive 48 | Archive 49 | Archive 50 | Archive 51 | Archive 52 | → | Archive 55 |
Hello,
I'd like advice on an article I've created on the French Wikipedia do deal with district cricket in Australia: fr:Grade cricket et premier cricket ("Grade cricket and Premier cricket")
Thank you for your help (and sorry for the mistakes) !
OrangeKnight ( talk) 14:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
The next cog of the Invincibles is up. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 03:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I know this is shameless advertising :) I've written a Perl script to batch-upload your photographs to commons. ( See commons:User:Nichalp/Upload script) Highlights:
More details on that page. Now that give you no excuse not to put all those duplicate cricketer photos and cricket ground photos that you felt too lazy to upload. :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I was pretty surprised to see that there was no article on the Stanford Super Series, so I took a few hours to see what I could write up on it, and the articles there. I know it probably needs a formatting update, and probably to be expanded with criticism and the section on "how it came to be", etcetera, but take a look at the article, and let me know what you think. SirFozzie ( talk) 00:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
The ever-present effects on sports and politics didn't have an article. I've just created Sports diplomacy which others may find a good read and to add more to. Lihaas ( talk) 18:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed a rename of category:English cricketers of the 18th century to the more specific category:English cricketers of 1701 to 1786. This will make the names of all such categories consistent and it will resolve the overlap problem between this one and category: English cricketers of 1787 to 1815.
Could you please see [1] and ensure that the category doesn't get renamed as category:18th century insectologists :-)
Thanks. BlackJack | talk page 19:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Most of you will know that many cricketers like Colin Blythe and Hedley Verity were killed in the two World Wars, but did anyone know that a first-class cricketer was killed during the Napoleonic Wars? Richard Beckett, who last played in 1807, died in the closing moments of the Battle of Talavera in 1809.
Talavera was one of Wellington's most important battles in the Peninsular War but it is now largely forgotten. It's probably best known nowadays for Sharpe's Eagle. BlackJack | talk page 12:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Given the number of early cricketers in the unknown year of death category, I doubt if Beckett was the only one who died fighting against Napoleon. Some must also have been killed in other major wars like the Seven Years, the American Revolutionary and the Crimean. GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 10:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
[2] I'm suprised that Ponting managed to restrain himself. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 03:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to raise this again, but the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 49#WP:CRIN on club notability didn't reach a consensus. I've removed BlackJack's guideline because the mood seemed to be against it, but we could do with an agreement on what we would like instead, if possible. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 13:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Why are there two infoboxes for cricketers' pages? Infobox Cricketer vs Infobox cricketer biography? =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
columnx = ...
and Sambot will pick it up when I do a full run.
Sam Korn
(smoddy) 15:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Hi,
Just bringing to your attention an addition to the standard biog infobox. Due to the growing number of international players who have only played IT20 matches, I have added the provision of the debut/last IT20 matches in the "International Section" (mainly because otherwise international=true brought up a header and nothing else. And they are valid internationals).
I have recommended that these fields are never used when both Test and ODI information is present, and may be used when just one of the above exists. For example, Nadif Chowdhury has only played IT20 for Bangladesh, so I've added that in for a trial. Tim Bresnan is a candidate for displaying ODI and IT20 information - I've added in blank fields for a minute so Sam can test Sambot on it if he so wishes.
I know it was agreed to keep IT20 out of the infoboxes as much as possible, but I see no harm in doing so in the cases where it either fills space, or doesn't lengthen it (such as a stats column if one of the standard four = 0.
I also added "family = " a couple of weeks back, I don't know if anyone has seen it. I thought it would be useful, and haven't had any objections so far. There is an example at Mark Waugh I think (linking to SR Waugh. Again, only notable players get linked, and I suggest "scorecard initials" are used to limit the space it takes.– MDCollins ( talk) 22:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.
We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.
A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.
We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I had a quick glance up the page and couldn't see a discussion on this so apologies if it's been covered already. About a week ago someone suggested that all categories with the Australian state have Australia in brackets to disambiguate it. The category has since been changed but some such as Category:Parliament of Victoria haven't because they were raised specifically in the discussion as not being applicable. To the best of my knowledge there was no first-class cricket team in the UK or elsewhere called Victoria so should we consider getting this particular category changed back? Cheers Crickettragic ( talk) 06:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
(reposted from my talk page -- Dweller ( talk) 15:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC))
Hello sir, i've seen your good works on Don Bradman, i am a little confused about a story can you help me? When Don scored 334, he surpassed tip foster's ashes record of 287. can you tell me who was the bowler when don took a single to take over that record?? Please ! User:Bharath (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
User:Ahsaniqbal 93 uploaded pictures from CI with the mention "Allowed to be used in free websites like Wikipedia". See here and here. I don't think that Cricinfo allow their picture to be used on free websites (they aren't often even the copyright holders of the pictures), do they? OrangeKnight ( talk) 14:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished changing the infoboxes on those articles using {{ Infobox Historic woman cricketer}} over to {{ Infobox cricketer biography}}, if someone could nom the former for deletion (seeing as its no longer required) that'd be appreciated. Too knackered to do so myself, heh. - AMBerry ( t| c) 22:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Here. I *think* it's Billy Doctrove, but I'm not sure. The pic's freely-licensed, but I'm hesitant to upload a cropped version to the Commons unless I'm certain of who it is :) Cheers for any help! AllynJ ( talk | contribs) 17:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone use or update Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/List of cricketers? WOuld there be any serious objection to its being removed? BlackJack | talk page 13:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed in the assistance needed section you are requesting graphic designers for wikiproject needs. User:Red Gown is one of the most talented artists I've seen, she just doodles these works of art seemingly without effort! She drew Geoffrey Boycott for his article. Admittedly I am slightly bias, but I'm sure if you leave a note on her talk page she would enjoy doing whatever art/design jobs you require. SGGH speak! 12:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Would prefer it as simple line art, and if possible in SVG format, so that it can be tweaked (or animated, if and when supported). I know it's a lot here, so if its too much to do, then consider only the umpire signals as most important.
Umpire signals | Dismissals | Batting | Bowling |
---|---|---|---|
|
|
|
|
Do we have any models here who are willing to pose as umpires with white coat or willing to pretend to be batsmen playing a cut shot? Much more efficient? YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 01:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The "Afternoon Play" at 2:15pm this Wednesday on BBC Radio 4 is about WG Grace. It is set during his final f-c match in April, 1908. I imagine that it will be available on the BBC's Website for a week after it's broadcast, which will enable those outside the UK to listen to it. JH ( talk page) 09:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone update the Natwest Pro 40 tables as the leagues have now finished. It might be a good idea to do them once the County Championship has finished today. 03md ( talk) 15:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Just saw this at Talk:Forward defence.
It's, erm, humungous. I couldn't believe my eyes.
Can all the B rating gumpf be zipped up into a "show/hide" thingy please, asap? Thanks! --21:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Dunno if it's been fixed, or if it's my browser that's updated, but either way it's working fine now. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
As we all it knew it would, our "flagship article" has failed its FAR and has been demoted. This is not good for WP:CRIC and the problem, quite frankly, is those people who just have to stick any old image in or promote their pet hobby-horse about the sport's global popularity. Drivel like that has ruined what was once a good article.
Dweller, Andrew and I have begun the article again, moreorless from scratch, and have laid some foundations. We still need suggestions about the structure and especially about any additional topics that should be included. Once we have a clear consensus on what should go in and in what order, we can work on the detail and the citations.
One point that came across loud and clear in the FAR was the over-reliance of the old version on links. For example, stating that the fielding team includes a wicketkeeper (linked) and not one word about what the keeper does or even where he stands. Another was overuse of images.
Now that the FA rating has been removed, I've reviewed the new working version of the article against the B-class criteria and hoped it would pass. It hasn't. There simply aren't enough citations but we are working on that so it isn't too far off.
But the bottom line is that our main top importance article is only Start-class in quality. We need to take the old song and make it a lot better. BlackJack | talk page 09:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Nichalp. It gives us much more to go on. We will edit the wording very carefully to raise the article back to GA and eventually FA standard. The precise wording isn't an issue yet because in content terms it's the coverage of topics that is important at present. Thus, leg breaks have been mentioned, which is good, but have we mentioned off breaks? If we've got the topic we can edit the wording later. The article at present is still a first draft which was written with the aim of capturing the ideas and making a start. For example, the piece about minor counties is still in note form only; and the delicate part will be toughened up a bit before the GA team starts bowling at us! BlackJack | talk page 18:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The old version of the article in 2004 is awful and although you were talking about its layout it is full of errors. There is nothing wrong with the new version as a draft. The text needs finetuning and SGGH is right about URL because you should get your references about the laws from Wisden or another book. I would not change the present layout and cant think of anything else to add just some bits of detail only. The way the article is written like he is talking to the reader is good because it tells you one thing and then leads you easily into the next. Read the old one, you are jumping back and forwards all the time. The new one is good work but it needs the polish now.
86.150.241.72 (
talk) 16:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
Sorry to bring up the infobox again, but does anyone else feel that at times (particularly in the stubbier articles) that it is a little long? Is it worth considering using show/hide for some of the career stats/domestic teams etc? Perhaps it could be auto-set to 'hide', but with the option to explicitly'show' for full-length articles, or at least those where the prose is long enough to balance it?
– MDCollins ( talk) 10:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi all. I haven't been around this project for quite a while, but it occurred to me recently that something that might be useful would be a bot that updates statistics. Now that there is just the one template for cricketers (I remember the many we had in the past...) and Cricinfo's player pages are in tabular form, it wouldn't be hard to make a bot that would regularly update the infobox after a match.
Perhaps someone could let me know if this would be (a) useful, (b) non-redundant (as in, there isn't a bot that someone else has already programmed!) and (c) popular, as there would need to be a certain amount of community input in working out which pages would need to have which information.
Thanks! Sam Korn (smoddy) 20:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Brett Lee http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/5/5951/5951.html Tests ODIs First-class List-A
Personally, I think if we can't get agreement from CricketArchive or Cricinfo, this is a complete non-starter. I'd even go so far as to rule out Cricinfo, as their stats are incorrect in a few places. Andrew nixon ( talk) 13:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Would a note to The quiz guru be worthwhile?. Moondyne 07:38, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that if this proves to be possible, I would prefer CA stats to Cricinfo ones by a wide margin. My experience has been that they're generally better in most regards, and of course CA's individual match scorecards, season summaries etc are nicer. Loganberry ( Talk) 12:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Can I suggest that if we go ahead with this, to prevent all kinds of problems, we would at least initially restrict it to working on players who are deceased? Retired players may come out of retirement, but dead ones' stats only change when the statisticians or the ICC are bored. (Sorry Blackjack). Oh, and we already have a well-used cat: for pools of deceased data. -- Dweller ( talk) 13:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I have just had a very useful conversation with one of the founders of CricketArchive and they are very happy for us to use their information for current international players. Understandably they would prefer if we didn't grab all the information for all first-class players ever, so I will restrict it to current players only.
I anticipate the bot running in approximately this fashion:
Does anyone have any suggestions to improve this before I start writing it and requesting bot approvals?
Sam Korn (smoddy) 13:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Extended content
|
---|
array(2) { ["batting"]=> array(8) { ["Tests"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(2) "68" ["inns"]=> string(2) "77" ["runs"]=> string(5) "1,287" ["top score"]=> string(2) "64" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "21.45" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "5" ["srate"]=> string(5) "54.76" ["catches"]=> string(2) "21" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["First-class"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(3) "106" ["inns"]=> string(3) "124" ["runs"]=> string(5) "1,950" ["top score"]=> string(2) "97" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "19.50" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "8" ["srate"]=> NULL ["catches"]=> string(2) "32" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(3) "173" ["inns"]=> string(2) "85" ["runs"]=> string(3) "855" ["top score"]=> string(2) "57" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "17.44" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "2" ["srate"]=> string(5) "80.66" ["catches"]=> string(2) "41" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["List A"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(3) "205" ["inns"]=> string(3) "104" ["runs"]=> string(5) "1,010" ["top score"]=> string(2) "57" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "16.83" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "2" ["srate"]=> string(5) "80.99" ["catches"]=> string(2) "46" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["International Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(2) "13" ["inns"]=> string(1) "6" ["runs"]=> string(2) "75" ["top score"]=> string(2) "43" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "25.00" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> string(6) "138.88" ["catches"]=> string(1) "5" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(2) "17" ["inns"]=> string(1) "9" ["runs"]=> string(2) "92" ["top score"]=> string(2) "43" ["bat avg"]=> string(5) "23.00" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> string(6) "137.31" ["catches"]=> string(1) "8" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["Youth Tests"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(1) "6" ["inns"]=> string(1) "8" ["runs"]=> string(2) "21" ["top score"]=> string(1) "9" ["bat avg"]=> string(4) "3.50" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> NULL ["catches"]=> string(1) "4" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } ["Youth ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["matches"]=> string(1) "5" ["inns"]=> string(1) "2" ["runs"]=> string(1) "7" ["top score"]=> string(1) "5" ["bat avg"]=> string(4) "7.00" ["100s"]=> string(1) "0" ["50s"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> NULL ["catches"]=> string(1) "0" ["stumpings"]=> string(1) "0" } } ["bowling"]=> array(8) { ["Tests"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(6) "14,764" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "496" ["runs"]=> string(5) "8,550" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "289" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-30" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "29.58" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "9" ["tenfor"]=> string(1) "0" ["srate"]=> string(5) "51.08" ["econ"]=> string(4) "3.47" } ["First-class"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(6) "22,000" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "743" ["runs"]=> string(6) "12,508" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "457" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(5) "7-114" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "27.36" ["fivefor"]=> string(2) "18" ["tenfor"]=> string(1) "2" ["srate"]=> string(5) "48.14" ["econ"]=> string(4) "3.41" } ["ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(5) "8,853" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "113" ["runs"]=> string(5) "6,955" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "303" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-22" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "22.95" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "8" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "29.21" ["econ"]=> string(4) "4.71" } ["List A"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(6) "10,595" ["maidens"]=> string(3) "140" ["runs"]=> string(5) "8,178" ["wickets"]=> string(3) "345" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-22" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "23.70" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "8" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "30.71" ["econ"]=> string(4) "4.63" } ["International Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(3) "277" ["maidens"]=> string(1) "0" ["runs"]=> string(3) "334" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "12" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "3-27" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "27.83" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "0" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "23.08" ["econ"]=> string(4) "7.23" } ["Twenty20"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(3) "373" ["maidens"]=> string(1) "0" ["runs"]=> string(3) "446" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "16" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "3-27" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "27.87" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "0" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "23.31" ["econ"]=> string(4) "7.17" } ["Youth Tests"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(5) "1,361" ["maidens"]=> string(2) "40" ["runs"]=> string(3) "743" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "21" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "4-61" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "35.38" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "0" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "64.80" ["econ"]=> string(4) "3.27" } ["Youth ODIs"]=> array(10) { ["balls"]=> string(3) "233" ["maidens"]=> string(1) "1" ["runs"]=> string(3) "207" ["wickets"]=> string(2) "10" ["best inns bowling"]=> string(4) "5-32" ["bowl avg"]=> string(5) "20.70" ["fivefor"]=> string(1) "1" ["tenfor"]=> string(3) "n/a" ["srate"]=> string(5) "23.30" ["econ"]=> string(4) "5.33" } } } |
<reindent>I'm not sure about the depth of coverage of CricketArchive, but this is what I have in mind as a suggestion. I was looking for the bot to scrape and parse all the rows on cricketers as depicted on
Cricinfo. We could then use the data to build our own cricket-related SQL database on toolserver. It shouldn't be too difficult scraping the data: The content there is held inside <table class="engineTable">
, so you can probably apply some XML parsing methods to get this data. This would give us a healthy database of our own to start with. Once this is done, the bot can update the statistics, and also create SVG-graphs. Some graph ideas: Batting averages vs time; Averages vs different countries; Averages vs at home vs away and so on. Since we are using a bot, a text can also localise the graph labels in various languages. How does this sound?
=Nichalp
«Talk»= 17:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Sambot ( talk · contribs) has had a 7-day approval. I need to work at getting all the international cricketers who have played in the last year listed at User:Sambot/players. I have got all the English ones and will be working on adding all the others over the next couple of days. If anyone wishes to join in, they are very welcome to! Once I have the full list, I shall do a full run of the bot so I can submit it on the request for approval as evidence of the successful running of the bot.
Sam Korn (smoddy) 22:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
One problem spotted - it replaces the / in bowling figures with a dash, ie. 5/20 becomes 5-20, which goes against our style guide. Andrew nixon ( talk) 09:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Slowly but surely most are done - just Sri Lanka/Pakistan to do of the full members now. Just wondering if we should perhaps include associate members (with ODI/T20I status) in this? I can't see any harm in doing so. AllynJ ( talk | contribs) 14:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The bot is now approved, and I shall run it at about 4AM on a Saturday morning, to get a low-traffic period. If you spot any problems with it, please do let me know! If it's doing something particularly stupid, place some text (anything!) at User:Sambot/shutdown. Thanks for the help in migrating infoboxes! Sam Korn (smoddy) 14:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)