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A relatively new user has added a new template for the "ESPN Best Test XI" to various prominent cricketers, such as Donald Bradman, Imran Khan, Sachin Tendulkar and Ian Botham. My inclination is to remove them, but then I'm fairly anti-template anyway (preferring to use links and cross-references within text where possible). And I don't want to discourage a new author. So what do others think? Johnlp 17:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I put a note on the new user's talk page inviting him/her to contribute thoughts here. Let's see if there's a response within, say, 24 hours before removing (if that's the consensus). Johnlp 20:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey all - i am the 'new user' in discussion. I would gladly see the Test XI go but it needs to be replaced with something better - for eg. Richie Benaud's XI. The reason for this is that most sports have their All-Pro teams displayed prominantly in the sportsman's wiki page and i would like to see the best players of cricket (as recognized by their peers/media/jury) to have a link in their wiki page. Any thoughts? Kalyan 13:40 26 February 2007 (IST)
What constitutes rewards and recognition that can be recognized in the cricketer pages? Taking a reference, in American Football - you have pro-bowl selections, MVP of the Year selection, All-Decade selection. I know that cricket has always lacked the same and i would like a similar mechanism to be used to recognize as a credible award/reward methodology for players. -- Kalyan 1820, 26 February 2007 (IST)
Well, as you say, cricket lacks a similar mechanism. I don't think that just because it doesn't various all-time selections (of which there are a few, none of which are particularly well known) should be elevated into that position for the sake of it. HornetMike 13:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone initiate the deletion or can i do the same? -- Kalyan 2100, 26 February 2007 (IST)
They plagiarised dozens of wiki cricket bios, complete with all the POV and OR violations. I'm amused that my newbie OR violations trumpeting Irfan Pathan as a future captain of the Indian cricket team have possibly reached the tables of millions of Indians. Fellow members of WP:CRIC, launch your careers as cricket commentators today, by putting OR violations and personal commentary into cricket biographies! (LOL)! Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 08:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I read a fascinating story about the A-Z company that invented the idea of street maps. Apparently, they regularly insert little inventions into their maps, minor enough not to mislead anyone using them, significant enough to catch out people trying to steal their work. Not that I'm suggesting we follow suit! -- Dweller 16:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed the portal advertised in the top line of Googly. Is this something we think should be done on cricket articles? -- Dweller 14:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
A lot of portals have a little box to link to them, I think these look quite good. For an example, see the top-right of television. They're better down the bottom of the article though ,imho. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been looking through the women's cricketer categories and found a bunch of stubby articles created on talk pages - Juliana Nero, Nicola Browne, Sara McGlashan, Suzie Bates, Clea Hoyte, Margaret Peden. It is rather annoying that this is still going on.
Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/List of cricketers, I also found I had to undelete and expand Manoj Cheruparambil, deleted speedily as an A1 recently. Does this happen often? The list at User:CricketBot/stubs remains rather long (lots of Test players). -- ALoan (Talk) 13:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
No. Creating this much work for other editors is really anti-social. Is there a list of his IPs? Here are a few that seem to be relevant, from the edit history of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/to do:
Grr. - ALoan (Talk) 11:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
And some more:
Sigh. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I notice the 2006-07 one has an under-19 series in it. Should it be there? And, if so, should series like England A's series against Bangladesh A be added as well? HornetMike 15:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I proposed this on the talk page for the 2006-07 Ashes, but got no response. I reckon a well-designed averages table (like one find in the list of test players articles) would be able to give the reader an overview of what each player did in a series, without having to list full scorecards (which is what people started to do in that article). Thoughts? HornetMike 15:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Just thought WikiProject Cricket would be interested in the prod: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unofficial Twenty20 World Championship. - Ozzykhan 20:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Colly has now made it to featured article status, thanks to all involved! The Rambling Man 09:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
The article quality has deteriorated to a point that it violates quite a few areas of WP:MoS. I prefer to revert to an earlier version (the content on the game that is) so that it is polished up for the world cup.
I need help in the following areas: 1) ==History of cricket==. I know many have access to books on cricket, so I request those who do to please summarise the same and mark it up with appropriate citations. 2) ==Forms of cricket== help needed there too with appropriate citations. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
What areas exactly are you talking out that violates the WP:MoS? Also wisden yearly reviews may help. Well any major event that happened is likely to be there, so this is the easiest place to look for reference. Are we going to cite the laws too?-- Thugchildz 01:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Whats wrong with the ToC? and what do you mean empty sections; like sections with just subsections?(there's a lot of articles that do that). And when you saying links in the middle of the text are you talking about the history section? the pictures layouting isn't a issue, for me at least.-- Thugchildz 06:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Had a look through the articles. Andrew Symonds is listed, but has no photo. Is this right? KingStrato 23:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Without trying to dampen morale, it looks as though to get as many FAs ready for selection in time, we should probably target articles about inexperienced players, otherwise we will take too long to write some very large articles : Harbhajan Singh (80kb: 57 Tests and 147 ODIs), Paul Collingwood (58kb: 20 Tests and 112 ODIs), Adam Gilchrist (68kb: 90 Tests and 290 ODIs, but IMHO many parts of his career are not covered). I guess that leaves Liam Plunkett - (6 Tests, 22 ODIs), Monty Panesar - (13 Tests, 9 ODIs), Sajid Mahmood - (8 Tests, 19 ODIs) and Kevin Pietersen (23 Tests, 42 ODIs) as the most "likely", as well as including Duncan Fletcher and Bob Woolmer. I guess Ravinder Bopara would be the easisest but I doubt he would get a game. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 05:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it will be a great idea to try and get minnow team cricketers up the FA how about someone like steve tikilo or john davison and other notable associate cricketers. And about the articles changing a lot, well not really because this time around they all had odi status and took part in the world cricket league and other odi series plus they only have three odi's in the 1st round and 12 in all if they go to the final; all associate teams here played more odis than that. Also finding pictures may be a problem but there may be free pictures in some of the sites like flickr.-- Thugchildz 06:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it makes sense to work on articles for players who might just be newsworthy during the tournament. It's romantic to take on a player from a lesser nation, but why would the main page want to feature them anyway. If anyone wants to help out with dealing with the current objections to Adam Gilchrist being Featured, please see the numbered list on his article's talk page. -- Dweller 13:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
... has now been nominated for featured article status here so all comments from all quarters are not only encouraged but welcomed and required in order to get this chap elevated before CWC'07 starts... Thanks to all who made it possible (at fear of sounding like an Oscar winner!) The Rambling Man 21:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Also peer review for West Indies Cricket team and Collingwood main page request-- Thugchildz 22:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
... has now been nominated for featured article status here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blnguyen ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
Is anybody confident in how to negotiate changes of picture licenses and how to get in contact with flickr contributors? If so, Ageo020 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has uploaded a picture of Harbhajan (which isn't actually free), I was wondering if anybody has the ability or desire to work out a deal with the author to see if we can use it (The same author also has good pictures of Irfan Pathan, which would enable another FA - Pathan is already GA with full chronology, as well as perhaps some others if we are quick enough). Thanks, Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 03:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Started this article. I was looking for feedback into the best name for the article. hopefully I can make this FA too. It would be a lot shorter than on Sourav Ganguly himself and more accessible for the {{ CWC Advert}} campaign, as it is relevant to the current WC. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Can some admin find out why Category:Unverified cricket images has suddenly disappeared? Was this a policy decision, or was it just deleted because it happened to be empty at the moment? If the latter, can someone please bring it back. I use this category a lot. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 10:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
By your command. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
How does it work? can we get every result of the wc in the news of the main page? well i dont know how it works so... Or is like get just big things like the cwc starts today in windies and ___ won the cwc? just wondering-- Thugchildz 01:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Right, I've worked my socks off on this one now, I firmly believe I hold the WP record for citations, just the 192 citewebs, not to mention some brilliant (!) prose and hopefully good coverage of his career. Please, please allow me to implore you to support or otherwise the article's elevation to featured article status, and as always, if it's anything other than a support, tell me how I can change your mind! The Rambling Man 18:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I know that the big push of the project right now is the WC, but I'm hoping to start work on the History of United States cricket soon. This article is not very good right now and with my side out of international cricket indefinitely, I can only live in the past. Any help anyone can offer would be appreciated. This is just the next in line after Bart King, John Lester, George Patterson, and the Philadelphian cricket team. Thanks a lot.-- Eva b d 03:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
A storm in a teacup seems to be brewing about the Holding/Willey quote. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
An IP editor has tagged this as POV and sees weasel words in one section. I think it's not as bad as it was, say, six months ago, and can see only a couple of places where it veers off into being slightly too fond of its subject. But perhaps someone who hasn't had any input into its creation could take a look with fresh eyes. Johnlp 18:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
A user has prod-ed this article. Since the user who created the article has retired from WP, I figured this would be the best place to see that the article gets needed attention.
Most of the other Australian cricket season articles are just as lacking in content, so they might get prod-ed, too. *Mishatx*- In\ Out 04:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Based on the response to date I have started to prod other articles in the series too. I have put the article outline at Template talk:Australian cricket seasons-- Golden Wattle talk 22:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Here we go again: Talk:Bill O'Reilly (commentator)#Requested move redux =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Dunno about where you live, but Google.co.uk search page has a lovely cricket image today. -- Dweller 15:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Not wishing to be too boring but can I beg some of your time to hopefully make the final push on Adam Gilchrist to be elevated to FA? Some of you have added comments, which hopefully have been addressed, some of you haven't added on opinion at all - we're so close... The Rambling Man 17:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hope you've all seen the main page today. The Featured Article is about some strange sport, a bit like baseball that no-one plays or watches. Poop. -- Dweller 09:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
User:AlexNewArtBot looks interesting — it categorises new articles by subject. I've put a note at the owner's talk page asking if it can detect cricket articles.
Stephen Turner ( Talk) 11:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I know we will be busy with the World Cup in the next few weeks, but these articles are pretty good, and the former had a FAC in December 2005.
Is anyone thinking of taking either of them to FAC to join The Ashes? (And The Ashes currently has some expansion tags for the earlier series, incidentally.) -- ALoan (Talk) 13:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Is now a featured article - excellent work from all those involved, nice one! It's also one of the shortest FAC pages I've seen, so you must have done something right. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 09:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone help? I'm trying to work on the Marcus Trescothick article, and want to reference the number of games he has been England captain. I can filter the results on statsguru (cricinfo), but the resulting URL is absolutely huge, and impossible to manage. Any other suggestions? MDCollins ( talk) 15:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
An editor has removed all the images from the article, with justification provided at the article talk page. This is highly embarrassing on the day it's WP's FA. -- Dweller 11:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Perhaps this map,
recaptioned, should appear on the main page? -- Dweller 12:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
"Rumble" (lol) has added the map (thanks) at the top of the article. Does it need an admin to get the Main page amended? -- Dweller 13:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Main page a few minutes ago was carrying an image of a cricket ball instead of the map. No discussion of that change here or at the article talk page, nor at the talk page for the Main page. Anyone know who did it and why? The map was far more appropriate. The shenanigans today reflect badly on this WikiProject, the FAC process and Wikipedia in general. It's been an embarrassment. Let's learn from it. -- Dweller 19:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
This was the edit that changed the picture. [3] It included the edit summary RV to ball. Even at that size, the text was unreadable at higher resolutions. We usually adhere to a 100px maximum image width because substantially greater widths cause problems at lower resolutions. -- Golden Wattle talk 19:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please revert it back to my version? I have arguments that will let them stay but i cant revert it my self as it will be breaking the 3rr. Also they shouldn't have even removed those pictures without finishing the discussing! Also i can tell you the trophy pictures are free from flickr because i found it myself! and so that should definetly stay and the rest shouldn't be removed without finishing the discussion! so someone please revet it back!-- Thugchildz 00:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I have added some on the talk page of the article and have more to back them up so please revert it back to my version(original version), why do they get to decide whats fair use and whats not? all the pictures there are about the subject THE WORLD CUP!-- Thugchildz 01:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Also is it possible for the trophy picture to be on the main page now? I am really trying to not assume bad faith but it seems like they are only doing this to ruin the articles moment to shine! coming up with bogus reasons like "thinking its not free"...also these have been reviewed in the FAC and nothing has changed since in the pictures so definitely should stay if it passed the FAC.-- Thugchildz 01:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at the deletion request, people are making judgments and assuming bad faith which is causing them to do this. Please assume good faith and voice your opinion on this-- Thugchildz 04:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I just thought I'd let everyone know there is an AfD for: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 World Cup Matches. - Ozzykhan 21:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thats nice work Sam, I would prefer your version than just the plain old scorecard. This gives us a chance to get things on the ITN. Also can you have a look at the opening ceremony page and try to improve it, I would say that make different articles for each group then super eight and the the finals.-- Thugchildz 22:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Are we going to make a concentrated effort to update each World Cup's players infobox after each game? I imagine a few of them will get updated after each game anyway, but shall we make sure all of them are? Or just wait until the end of the group games? Or the end of the tournament? Or... well that's it! HornetMike 21:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, this morning Raul654 promoted Adam Gilchrist to featured article status. Phew! Thanks to everyone who provided comments and suggestions and all those editors who made a difference! The Rambling Man 08:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
An admin could now unprotect Image:Cricket World Cup best results.png. Thanks, Stephen Turner ( Talk) 13:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm new and I don't know how everything works with the main page but I'm being told that the World Cup won't be mentioned on the ITN section until a winner is discovered. Can nothing be done. If we have to improve the Opening Ceremony page, Cricinfo has a very good summary which can be used by the article to source an event-by-event summary. Sfdasfr 04:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Well I think there should be a definite mention of the world cup being started on the 13th and some lines about the opening ceremony which was great! with over 10,000 people attending it. anyways Sfdasfr you should join the project if you haven't already-- Thugchildz 05:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Also can some one semi-protect the 2007 cricket world cup and the cricket world cup page, they are going to get a lot of vandalizing when the it gets on the main page-- Thugchildz 05:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
IIRC, the football people initially tried to get a "today's results" type entry in ITN; in the end, they settled for a single line entry, something like "The world cup continues - (link to recent results)". We should try for the latter for the duration of the tournament. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Whats the ITN? Also it starts tomorrow! Someone who knows how to get it on the main page please do so or let me know the procedure of how to request for it and stuff. Also whoever has a wikinews account keep the news on the cwc posted, NCAA stuff is up there, cwc news should defenetly be there.-- Thugchildz 06:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The expected poop-fest is on. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cricket_World_Cup&curid=7239&action=history) Apparently, it's a sport for pussies. I've never seen a cat so much as hold a bat. -- Dweller 10:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok so after a bad for the project. Can someone get "The cricket world cup continues - (link to recent results)". on the main page?-- Thugchildz 03:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
how about the one in wikinews?
We can have a page there with all the matches in it...-- Thugchildz 04:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, please be aware that User:Nobleeagle, who was instrumental in the Cricket World Cup FA, has unfortunately left the project, last Thursday, after having his identity revealed. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 03:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
We must get a line in the ITN, look at all the headlines this world cup is making...irish the, debuting in the world cup tie & beat test-nation zimbabwe and pakistan. While Bangladesh(who for so long have been picked on by critics) beat one of the favorites-India. What an dramatic day, 2 upsets in the same day-- Thugchildz 23:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Bob Woolmer just died, its sad really...After a excellent day for cricket it gets brought down ...But can you guys support the inclusion of this news at least in the ITN Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.-- Thugchildz 18:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I notice the players aren't wearing special tournament numbers, just their normal ones. Therefore, what's the point in having the fake 1-15 numbers in the World Cup templates? HornetMike 22:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The story is getting more and more coverage in the British media. I don't know what happened as a result of the ITN discussion above, but it's a major story. -- Dweller 18:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone here have access to JSTOR and Taylor Francis group ? The latter has some useful articles on cricket history and the former should also have some. (Add : the TFP link doesn't seem to be right one. There is another that leads to articles available online for members) Tintin 07:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Among his many good works User:ALoan keeps an eye on the activities of the IP editor who regularly adds names of slightly obscure cricketers to the to-do list at the top of this page. The same IP editor later supplies a stub biography, usually on the subject's Talk page, which ALoan then heroically sorts out by moving to a real page. In the past, this IP editor has been identified with the erstwhile "vegan vandal", who asserted that various cricketers were practising, if not militant, vegetarians, assertions that were deemed in most cases unprovable and very probably untrue.
Vegetarian assertions seem to have disappeared, but I'm wondering if our IP friend hasn't moved on to different forms of mischief. Roger Broughton (cricketer), whose death in a work-related accident while replacing power cables might be worthy of comment, has the bare bones of his cricket career outlined plus the single comment that his favourite song was November Rain. Another cricketer, ( Campbell Furlong), has a favourite film: it is said to be Shampoo.
It looks to me like someone's having some fun at our expense with these stray "facts". I'm proposing giving them 24 hours to be "proved", and, if they're not proven, then going in and amending them. The cricket facts are, as far as I can see, correct, so I'd leave them alone. And it's not every stub created by this IP editor that has an odd "fact" in it: around one in three, I think. Anyway, if anyone can prove my suspicions unfounded, there's 24 hours before I go and do the deed (and 24 hours also to enjoy the fruits of a lively imagination). Johnlp 22:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, no one came forward to defend them, so I took out 12 "interesting" facts from 12 biogs going back about six months. Not too much damage, I reckon, though several of the stubs that remain are pretty poor stuff. Johnlp 22:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Where these talk pages are being moved into the mainspace, I think it would be a good idea to remove the redirect left on the talk page. The articles are mostly obscure stubs, and editors will probably not have created links to a talk page with no article, so I don't think they are needed. They will only serve to confuse editors, who will wonder why clicking on the talk button lands them back on the article. I've done the few that are linked on this page. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
No sooner has he returned, to widespread joy, than he has run slap-bang into speedy deletion of the articles he was creating on Australian cricket seasons. Just look at User talk:BlackJack and User talk:Gnangarra and this log.
I have restored 1855-56 Australian cricket season as an example. To my mind, this sort of article, stubby though it is, is not so devoid of content as to require being deleted. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
We should be grateful to ALoan for recreating that article as an example. I presume the others (up to 1883, I gather?) are/were similar and indeed I understand that the seasons in which English tours occurred contained much more still.
The consensus arrived at in the previous discussion was that the articles contained so little definite information (they were bare stubs) that it would be better (as Stephen Turner in particular pointed out) to simply have the red links until such time as someone would be inclined to expand them. I don't know if there is any time limit here but surely not. The fact that the recreated articles appeared in days rather than months matters not one jot.
The article recreated by ALoan is a perfectly acceptable stub and is much more informative than the vast majority of stubs I have seen on the site and on the cricket project itself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and it should be retained. It provides useful information to the reader whilst having the potential for further development. It is notable because it is about first-class cricket in Australia. In my view, it can only have been deleted because the administrator in question is incompetent or is prejudiced against the subject-matter.
Deletion of the recreated articles is at best a knee-jerk reaction [personal attack removed], the author has met the requirements of the discussion consensus. [personal attack removed]. When he was alerted by Black Falcon (who has over-reacted) that the articles had been recreated, why did he not place a notice on this page and ask the project members to review and discuss? [personal attack removed].
As for Black Jack's reaction, I have in the past thought he has been too impatient when he has encountered these people but on this occasion he is absolutely justified. His reason for leaving in January was understandable given the amount of work he had done to improve the cricket project stubs and it took quite a bit of effort to persuade him to return, especially as he has now become preoccupied with his own site. He came back in good faith intending to "provide information for the readers" as he always says. He knew the Australian seasons had been hit but he agreed with the consensus and with Stephen's view in particular. As he still had the offline versions of those articles, he could easily expand them and spent a few hours on Tuesday evening doing that. 1855-56 is presumably typical. He checked the site yesterday morning and [personal attack removed].
As for "slightest provocation", I think "last straw" is the phrase you are looking for. Clearly you have not encountered the same degree of provocation by any means. I suggest that our former colleague jguk would understand provocation by Wikipedia administration: note that word "former".
Those articles should be recreated and subjected to review by this project. [personal attack removed].
This whole affair illustrates precisely what is wrong with Wikipedia. -- GeorgeWilliams 07:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
NB: Gnangarra was told by BlackJack that the restored articles contained additional information and he refused to consider restoring them. He would not listen to reason and insisted on Jack going through some convoluted procedure to fob him off. Hence Jack's reaction. -- GeorgeWilliams 07:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps it is not necessary, save to salvage the content and create redirects? I don't know early Australian cricket at all well, but I see that the first first-class match was in February 1851, and the first Test was in 1876 (of course). Does anything else of particular note happen between these dates? Perhaps we only need one article between History of Australian cricket to 1850 and 1876-77 Australian cricket season, which would be History of Australian cricket from 1850 to 1876? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Intercolonial cricket in Australia covers some of this in terms of domestic cricket. Johnlp 14:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
NB: the key point here is that the information provided by Jack must be restored as it meets the consensus of the AFD discussion. I know he thinks each season should have its own article but, then again, using his own precedent re 1697-1725 (England) and other spans like 1811-1815, 1914-1918 and 1940-1945, I suggest the following to resolve this: separate articles for all England tours; decade articles for 1851-60, 1861-70, 1871-80 and 1881-90 followed by individual season articles from 1890-91.
If it is tedious and time-consuming to restore the information then Gnangarra should do it. -- GeorgeWilliams 07:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Well said, and well done, Jack. Johnlp 09:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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A relatively new user has added a new template for the "ESPN Best Test XI" to various prominent cricketers, such as Donald Bradman, Imran Khan, Sachin Tendulkar and Ian Botham. My inclination is to remove them, but then I'm fairly anti-template anyway (preferring to use links and cross-references within text where possible). And I don't want to discourage a new author. So what do others think? Johnlp 17:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I put a note on the new user's talk page inviting him/her to contribute thoughts here. Let's see if there's a response within, say, 24 hours before removing (if that's the consensus). Johnlp 20:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey all - i am the 'new user' in discussion. I would gladly see the Test XI go but it needs to be replaced with something better - for eg. Richie Benaud's XI. The reason for this is that most sports have their All-Pro teams displayed prominantly in the sportsman's wiki page and i would like to see the best players of cricket (as recognized by their peers/media/jury) to have a link in their wiki page. Any thoughts? Kalyan 13:40 26 February 2007 (IST)
What constitutes rewards and recognition that can be recognized in the cricketer pages? Taking a reference, in American Football - you have pro-bowl selections, MVP of the Year selection, All-Decade selection. I know that cricket has always lacked the same and i would like a similar mechanism to be used to recognize as a credible award/reward methodology for players. -- Kalyan 1820, 26 February 2007 (IST)
Well, as you say, cricket lacks a similar mechanism. I don't think that just because it doesn't various all-time selections (of which there are a few, none of which are particularly well known) should be elevated into that position for the sake of it. HornetMike 13:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone initiate the deletion or can i do the same? -- Kalyan 2100, 26 February 2007 (IST)
They plagiarised dozens of wiki cricket bios, complete with all the POV and OR violations. I'm amused that my newbie OR violations trumpeting Irfan Pathan as a future captain of the Indian cricket team have possibly reached the tables of millions of Indians. Fellow members of WP:CRIC, launch your careers as cricket commentators today, by putting OR violations and personal commentary into cricket biographies! (LOL)! Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 08:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I read a fascinating story about the A-Z company that invented the idea of street maps. Apparently, they regularly insert little inventions into their maps, minor enough not to mislead anyone using them, significant enough to catch out people trying to steal their work. Not that I'm suggesting we follow suit! -- Dweller 16:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed the portal advertised in the top line of Googly. Is this something we think should be done on cricket articles? -- Dweller 14:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
A lot of portals have a little box to link to them, I think these look quite good. For an example, see the top-right of television. They're better down the bottom of the article though ,imho. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been looking through the women's cricketer categories and found a bunch of stubby articles created on talk pages - Juliana Nero, Nicola Browne, Sara McGlashan, Suzie Bates, Clea Hoyte, Margaret Peden. It is rather annoying that this is still going on.
Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/List of cricketers, I also found I had to undelete and expand Manoj Cheruparambil, deleted speedily as an A1 recently. Does this happen often? The list at User:CricketBot/stubs remains rather long (lots of Test players). -- ALoan (Talk) 13:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
No. Creating this much work for other editors is really anti-social. Is there a list of his IPs? Here are a few that seem to be relevant, from the edit history of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/to do:
Grr. - ALoan (Talk) 11:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
And some more:
Sigh. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I notice the 2006-07 one has an under-19 series in it. Should it be there? And, if so, should series like England A's series against Bangladesh A be added as well? HornetMike 15:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I proposed this on the talk page for the 2006-07 Ashes, but got no response. I reckon a well-designed averages table (like one find in the list of test players articles) would be able to give the reader an overview of what each player did in a series, without having to list full scorecards (which is what people started to do in that article). Thoughts? HornetMike 15:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Just thought WikiProject Cricket would be interested in the prod: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unofficial Twenty20 World Championship. - Ozzykhan 20:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Colly has now made it to featured article status, thanks to all involved! The Rambling Man 09:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
The article quality has deteriorated to a point that it violates quite a few areas of WP:MoS. I prefer to revert to an earlier version (the content on the game that is) so that it is polished up for the world cup.
I need help in the following areas: 1) ==History of cricket==. I know many have access to books on cricket, so I request those who do to please summarise the same and mark it up with appropriate citations. 2) ==Forms of cricket== help needed there too with appropriate citations. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
What areas exactly are you talking out that violates the WP:MoS? Also wisden yearly reviews may help. Well any major event that happened is likely to be there, so this is the easiest place to look for reference. Are we going to cite the laws too?-- Thugchildz 01:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Whats wrong with the ToC? and what do you mean empty sections; like sections with just subsections?(there's a lot of articles that do that). And when you saying links in the middle of the text are you talking about the history section? the pictures layouting isn't a issue, for me at least.-- Thugchildz 06:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Had a look through the articles. Andrew Symonds is listed, but has no photo. Is this right? KingStrato 23:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Without trying to dampen morale, it looks as though to get as many FAs ready for selection in time, we should probably target articles about inexperienced players, otherwise we will take too long to write some very large articles : Harbhajan Singh (80kb: 57 Tests and 147 ODIs), Paul Collingwood (58kb: 20 Tests and 112 ODIs), Adam Gilchrist (68kb: 90 Tests and 290 ODIs, but IMHO many parts of his career are not covered). I guess that leaves Liam Plunkett - (6 Tests, 22 ODIs), Monty Panesar - (13 Tests, 9 ODIs), Sajid Mahmood - (8 Tests, 19 ODIs) and Kevin Pietersen (23 Tests, 42 ODIs) as the most "likely", as well as including Duncan Fletcher and Bob Woolmer. I guess Ravinder Bopara would be the easisest but I doubt he would get a game. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 05:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it will be a great idea to try and get minnow team cricketers up the FA how about someone like steve tikilo or john davison and other notable associate cricketers. And about the articles changing a lot, well not really because this time around they all had odi status and took part in the world cricket league and other odi series plus they only have three odi's in the 1st round and 12 in all if they go to the final; all associate teams here played more odis than that. Also finding pictures may be a problem but there may be free pictures in some of the sites like flickr.-- Thugchildz 06:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it makes sense to work on articles for players who might just be newsworthy during the tournament. It's romantic to take on a player from a lesser nation, but why would the main page want to feature them anyway. If anyone wants to help out with dealing with the current objections to Adam Gilchrist being Featured, please see the numbered list on his article's talk page. -- Dweller 13:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
... has now been nominated for featured article status here so all comments from all quarters are not only encouraged but welcomed and required in order to get this chap elevated before CWC'07 starts... Thanks to all who made it possible (at fear of sounding like an Oscar winner!) The Rambling Man 21:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Also peer review for West Indies Cricket team and Collingwood main page request-- Thugchildz 22:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
... has now been nominated for featured article status here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blnguyen ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
Is anybody confident in how to negotiate changes of picture licenses and how to get in contact with flickr contributors? If so, Ageo020 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has uploaded a picture of Harbhajan (which isn't actually free), I was wondering if anybody has the ability or desire to work out a deal with the author to see if we can use it (The same author also has good pictures of Irfan Pathan, which would enable another FA - Pathan is already GA with full chronology, as well as perhaps some others if we are quick enough). Thanks, Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 03:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Started this article. I was looking for feedback into the best name for the article. hopefully I can make this FA too. It would be a lot shorter than on Sourav Ganguly himself and more accessible for the {{ CWC Advert}} campaign, as it is relevant to the current WC. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Can some admin find out why Category:Unverified cricket images has suddenly disappeared? Was this a policy decision, or was it just deleted because it happened to be empty at the moment? If the latter, can someone please bring it back. I use this category a lot. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 10:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
By your command. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
How does it work? can we get every result of the wc in the news of the main page? well i dont know how it works so... Or is like get just big things like the cwc starts today in windies and ___ won the cwc? just wondering-- Thugchildz 01:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Right, I've worked my socks off on this one now, I firmly believe I hold the WP record for citations, just the 192 citewebs, not to mention some brilliant (!) prose and hopefully good coverage of his career. Please, please allow me to implore you to support or otherwise the article's elevation to featured article status, and as always, if it's anything other than a support, tell me how I can change your mind! The Rambling Man 18:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I know that the big push of the project right now is the WC, but I'm hoping to start work on the History of United States cricket soon. This article is not very good right now and with my side out of international cricket indefinitely, I can only live in the past. Any help anyone can offer would be appreciated. This is just the next in line after Bart King, John Lester, George Patterson, and the Philadelphian cricket team. Thanks a lot.-- Eva b d 03:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
A storm in a teacup seems to be brewing about the Holding/Willey quote. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
An IP editor has tagged this as POV and sees weasel words in one section. I think it's not as bad as it was, say, six months ago, and can see only a couple of places where it veers off into being slightly too fond of its subject. But perhaps someone who hasn't had any input into its creation could take a look with fresh eyes. Johnlp 18:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
A user has prod-ed this article. Since the user who created the article has retired from WP, I figured this would be the best place to see that the article gets needed attention.
Most of the other Australian cricket season articles are just as lacking in content, so they might get prod-ed, too. *Mishatx*- In\ Out 04:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Based on the response to date I have started to prod other articles in the series too. I have put the article outline at Template talk:Australian cricket seasons-- Golden Wattle talk 22:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Here we go again: Talk:Bill O'Reilly (commentator)#Requested move redux =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Dunno about where you live, but Google.co.uk search page has a lovely cricket image today. -- Dweller 15:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Not wishing to be too boring but can I beg some of your time to hopefully make the final push on Adam Gilchrist to be elevated to FA? Some of you have added comments, which hopefully have been addressed, some of you haven't added on opinion at all - we're so close... The Rambling Man 17:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hope you've all seen the main page today. The Featured Article is about some strange sport, a bit like baseball that no-one plays or watches. Poop. -- Dweller 09:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
User:AlexNewArtBot looks interesting — it categorises new articles by subject. I've put a note at the owner's talk page asking if it can detect cricket articles.
Stephen Turner ( Talk) 11:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I know we will be busy with the World Cup in the next few weeks, but these articles are pretty good, and the former had a FAC in December 2005.
Is anyone thinking of taking either of them to FAC to join The Ashes? (And The Ashes currently has some expansion tags for the earlier series, incidentally.) -- ALoan (Talk) 13:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Is now a featured article - excellent work from all those involved, nice one! It's also one of the shortest FAC pages I've seen, so you must have done something right. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 09:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone help? I'm trying to work on the Marcus Trescothick article, and want to reference the number of games he has been England captain. I can filter the results on statsguru (cricinfo), but the resulting URL is absolutely huge, and impossible to manage. Any other suggestions? MDCollins ( talk) 15:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
An editor has removed all the images from the article, with justification provided at the article talk page. This is highly embarrassing on the day it's WP's FA. -- Dweller 11:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Perhaps this map,
recaptioned, should appear on the main page? -- Dweller 12:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
"Rumble" (lol) has added the map (thanks) at the top of the article. Does it need an admin to get the Main page amended? -- Dweller 13:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Main page a few minutes ago was carrying an image of a cricket ball instead of the map. No discussion of that change here or at the article talk page, nor at the talk page for the Main page. Anyone know who did it and why? The map was far more appropriate. The shenanigans today reflect badly on this WikiProject, the FAC process and Wikipedia in general. It's been an embarrassment. Let's learn from it. -- Dweller 19:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
This was the edit that changed the picture. [3] It included the edit summary RV to ball. Even at that size, the text was unreadable at higher resolutions. We usually adhere to a 100px maximum image width because substantially greater widths cause problems at lower resolutions. -- Golden Wattle talk 19:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please revert it back to my version? I have arguments that will let them stay but i cant revert it my self as it will be breaking the 3rr. Also they shouldn't have even removed those pictures without finishing the discussing! Also i can tell you the trophy pictures are free from flickr because i found it myself! and so that should definetly stay and the rest shouldn't be removed without finishing the discussion! so someone please revet it back!-- Thugchildz 00:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I have added some on the talk page of the article and have more to back them up so please revert it back to my version(original version), why do they get to decide whats fair use and whats not? all the pictures there are about the subject THE WORLD CUP!-- Thugchildz 01:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Also is it possible for the trophy picture to be on the main page now? I am really trying to not assume bad faith but it seems like they are only doing this to ruin the articles moment to shine! coming up with bogus reasons like "thinking its not free"...also these have been reviewed in the FAC and nothing has changed since in the pictures so definitely should stay if it passed the FAC.-- Thugchildz 01:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at the deletion request, people are making judgments and assuming bad faith which is causing them to do this. Please assume good faith and voice your opinion on this-- Thugchildz 04:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I just thought I'd let everyone know there is an AfD for: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 World Cup Matches. - Ozzykhan 21:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thats nice work Sam, I would prefer your version than just the plain old scorecard. This gives us a chance to get things on the ITN. Also can you have a look at the opening ceremony page and try to improve it, I would say that make different articles for each group then super eight and the the finals.-- Thugchildz 22:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Are we going to make a concentrated effort to update each World Cup's players infobox after each game? I imagine a few of them will get updated after each game anyway, but shall we make sure all of them are? Or just wait until the end of the group games? Or the end of the tournament? Or... well that's it! HornetMike 21:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, this morning Raul654 promoted Adam Gilchrist to featured article status. Phew! Thanks to everyone who provided comments and suggestions and all those editors who made a difference! The Rambling Man 08:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
An admin could now unprotect Image:Cricket World Cup best results.png. Thanks, Stephen Turner ( Talk) 13:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm new and I don't know how everything works with the main page but I'm being told that the World Cup won't be mentioned on the ITN section until a winner is discovered. Can nothing be done. If we have to improve the Opening Ceremony page, Cricinfo has a very good summary which can be used by the article to source an event-by-event summary. Sfdasfr 04:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Well I think there should be a definite mention of the world cup being started on the 13th and some lines about the opening ceremony which was great! with over 10,000 people attending it. anyways Sfdasfr you should join the project if you haven't already-- Thugchildz 05:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Also can some one semi-protect the 2007 cricket world cup and the cricket world cup page, they are going to get a lot of vandalizing when the it gets on the main page-- Thugchildz 05:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
IIRC, the football people initially tried to get a "today's results" type entry in ITN; in the end, they settled for a single line entry, something like "The world cup continues - (link to recent results)". We should try for the latter for the duration of the tournament. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Whats the ITN? Also it starts tomorrow! Someone who knows how to get it on the main page please do so or let me know the procedure of how to request for it and stuff. Also whoever has a wikinews account keep the news on the cwc posted, NCAA stuff is up there, cwc news should defenetly be there.-- Thugchildz 06:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The expected poop-fest is on. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cricket_World_Cup&curid=7239&action=history) Apparently, it's a sport for pussies. I've never seen a cat so much as hold a bat. -- Dweller 10:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok so after a bad for the project. Can someone get "The cricket world cup continues - (link to recent results)". on the main page?-- Thugchildz 03:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
how about the one in wikinews?
We can have a page there with all the matches in it...-- Thugchildz 04:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, please be aware that User:Nobleeagle, who was instrumental in the Cricket World Cup FA, has unfortunately left the project, last Thursday, after having his identity revealed. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 03:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
We must get a line in the ITN, look at all the headlines this world cup is making...irish the, debuting in the world cup tie & beat test-nation zimbabwe and pakistan. While Bangladesh(who for so long have been picked on by critics) beat one of the favorites-India. What an dramatic day, 2 upsets in the same day-- Thugchildz 23:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Bob Woolmer just died, its sad really...After a excellent day for cricket it gets brought down ...But can you guys support the inclusion of this news at least in the ITN Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.-- Thugchildz 18:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I notice the players aren't wearing special tournament numbers, just their normal ones. Therefore, what's the point in having the fake 1-15 numbers in the World Cup templates? HornetMike 22:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The story is getting more and more coverage in the British media. I don't know what happened as a result of the ITN discussion above, but it's a major story. -- Dweller 18:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone here have access to JSTOR and Taylor Francis group ? The latter has some useful articles on cricket history and the former should also have some. (Add : the TFP link doesn't seem to be right one. There is another that leads to articles available online for members) Tintin 07:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Among his many good works User:ALoan keeps an eye on the activities of the IP editor who regularly adds names of slightly obscure cricketers to the to-do list at the top of this page. The same IP editor later supplies a stub biography, usually on the subject's Talk page, which ALoan then heroically sorts out by moving to a real page. In the past, this IP editor has been identified with the erstwhile "vegan vandal", who asserted that various cricketers were practising, if not militant, vegetarians, assertions that were deemed in most cases unprovable and very probably untrue.
Vegetarian assertions seem to have disappeared, but I'm wondering if our IP friend hasn't moved on to different forms of mischief. Roger Broughton (cricketer), whose death in a work-related accident while replacing power cables might be worthy of comment, has the bare bones of his cricket career outlined plus the single comment that his favourite song was November Rain. Another cricketer, ( Campbell Furlong), has a favourite film: it is said to be Shampoo.
It looks to me like someone's having some fun at our expense with these stray "facts". I'm proposing giving them 24 hours to be "proved", and, if they're not proven, then going in and amending them. The cricket facts are, as far as I can see, correct, so I'd leave them alone. And it's not every stub created by this IP editor that has an odd "fact" in it: around one in three, I think. Anyway, if anyone can prove my suspicions unfounded, there's 24 hours before I go and do the deed (and 24 hours also to enjoy the fruits of a lively imagination). Johnlp 22:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, no one came forward to defend them, so I took out 12 "interesting" facts from 12 biogs going back about six months. Not too much damage, I reckon, though several of the stubs that remain are pretty poor stuff. Johnlp 22:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Where these talk pages are being moved into the mainspace, I think it would be a good idea to remove the redirect left on the talk page. The articles are mostly obscure stubs, and editors will probably not have created links to a talk page with no article, so I don't think they are needed. They will only serve to confuse editors, who will wonder why clicking on the talk button lands them back on the article. I've done the few that are linked on this page. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
No sooner has he returned, to widespread joy, than he has run slap-bang into speedy deletion of the articles he was creating on Australian cricket seasons. Just look at User talk:BlackJack and User talk:Gnangarra and this log.
I have restored 1855-56 Australian cricket season as an example. To my mind, this sort of article, stubby though it is, is not so devoid of content as to require being deleted. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
We should be grateful to ALoan for recreating that article as an example. I presume the others (up to 1883, I gather?) are/were similar and indeed I understand that the seasons in which English tours occurred contained much more still.
The consensus arrived at in the previous discussion was that the articles contained so little definite information (they were bare stubs) that it would be better (as Stephen Turner in particular pointed out) to simply have the red links until such time as someone would be inclined to expand them. I don't know if there is any time limit here but surely not. The fact that the recreated articles appeared in days rather than months matters not one jot.
The article recreated by ALoan is a perfectly acceptable stub and is much more informative than the vast majority of stubs I have seen on the site and on the cricket project itself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and it should be retained. It provides useful information to the reader whilst having the potential for further development. It is notable because it is about first-class cricket in Australia. In my view, it can only have been deleted because the administrator in question is incompetent or is prejudiced against the subject-matter.
Deletion of the recreated articles is at best a knee-jerk reaction [personal attack removed], the author has met the requirements of the discussion consensus. [personal attack removed]. When he was alerted by Black Falcon (who has over-reacted) that the articles had been recreated, why did he not place a notice on this page and ask the project members to review and discuss? [personal attack removed].
As for Black Jack's reaction, I have in the past thought he has been too impatient when he has encountered these people but on this occasion he is absolutely justified. His reason for leaving in January was understandable given the amount of work he had done to improve the cricket project stubs and it took quite a bit of effort to persuade him to return, especially as he has now become preoccupied with his own site. He came back in good faith intending to "provide information for the readers" as he always says. He knew the Australian seasons had been hit but he agreed with the consensus and with Stephen's view in particular. As he still had the offline versions of those articles, he could easily expand them and spent a few hours on Tuesday evening doing that. 1855-56 is presumably typical. He checked the site yesterday morning and [personal attack removed].
As for "slightest provocation", I think "last straw" is the phrase you are looking for. Clearly you have not encountered the same degree of provocation by any means. I suggest that our former colleague jguk would understand provocation by Wikipedia administration: note that word "former".
Those articles should be recreated and subjected to review by this project. [personal attack removed].
This whole affair illustrates precisely what is wrong with Wikipedia. -- GeorgeWilliams 07:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
NB: Gnangarra was told by BlackJack that the restored articles contained additional information and he refused to consider restoring them. He would not listen to reason and insisted on Jack going through some convoluted procedure to fob him off. Hence Jack's reaction. -- GeorgeWilliams 07:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps it is not necessary, save to salvage the content and create redirects? I don't know early Australian cricket at all well, but I see that the first first-class match was in February 1851, and the first Test was in 1876 (of course). Does anything else of particular note happen between these dates? Perhaps we only need one article between History of Australian cricket to 1850 and 1876-77 Australian cricket season, which would be History of Australian cricket from 1850 to 1876? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Intercolonial cricket in Australia covers some of this in terms of domestic cricket. Johnlp 14:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
NB: the key point here is that the information provided by Jack must be restored as it meets the consensus of the AFD discussion. I know he thinks each season should have its own article but, then again, using his own precedent re 1697-1725 (England) and other spans like 1811-1815, 1914-1918 and 1940-1945, I suggest the following to resolve this: separate articles for all England tours; decade articles for 1851-60, 1861-70, 1871-80 and 1881-90 followed by individual season articles from 1890-91.
If it is tedious and time-consuming to restore the information then Gnangarra should do it. -- GeorgeWilliams 07:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Well said, and well done, Jack. Johnlp 09:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)