As Basique suggested at the WP:CMC talk page, we ought to create some guidelines for the creation and use of character navboxes. Conflict arose in the editing of {{ Batman}}, and it might not have happened if we had some guidance in place.
First, I think we have to answer some questions, including:
Please add your own questions/sections to this page and share your thoughts below:
Does WP:CMC really have any particular wuthority to even SET a standard that all others must adhere to? I think that's the first part of this discussion. IF Jimbo Wales deputized the WP:CMC to have more powers than other editors, then I guess we don't really need all this FALSE civility, since WP:CMC will do what they already do. Come in, do what they want, and ignore other editors, then as they leave, link to a page like this and say 'see? we do have the authority, come lavish us with praise for our behavior'. I've said it before, I'm saying it again. I won't back down from bullies. Given your representatives in this situation proudly display infoxoes stating they ARE bullies, I see no reason to continue paying any attention to WP:Comics demands and hostile actions. In the future, I will simply summarily revert any such attack edits. ThuranX 13:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
For large navboxes, I do think the hide function should be available and the default setting of the box for the aesthetic of the article. Too many or too large navboxes can make an article look bad. -- Newt ΨΦ 18:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There has been some recent editing conflict on some of the superhero navboxes, specificly for characters of Flash (comics) and Green Lantern. I thought this would be a good opportunity to discuss exemplars, format and style, to provide a certain degree of uniformity to the hero pages. I have thought that the Batman, Superman, and Captain Marvel navboxes have served a great models to follow.
I feel this discussion could help to resolve or avoid future editing conflicts. 66.109.248.114 22:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
My intial response to these discussion points. 1: I feel that the creators should list exclusively the initial creators to the character/mythos. The further addition of every subsequent character creator serves to dilute the lists, these writers and artists can still be found on the individual character pages (which can be found on the Navboxes), 2 different characters have been called Batman (in universe) and still only Bob Kane is listed on that Navbox, and the same for Shazam. As featured articles, I feel we should follow the precidence of these boxes. 2: Major villians should have an established publication history against the superhero (whether that be a featured villian over several years or featured in major story arcs). 3: A storyline for a superhero contrasts in my opinion from a storyline that features a superhero. I would consider Crisis on Infinite Earths, not to be a Flash or Supergirl storyline, but rather a series that featured these characters in supporting roles, as such, I would not encourage Crisis being featured in a Flash or Supergirl Navbox. Storylines are those featured either in the character's book(s) and/or where the character in the main character in the featured story. 4. Like previously stated, I have looked to the Superman, Batman and Shazam templates as examples. As such I feel the Navboxes should include the initial creators, characters/supporting characters featured in the books, the major villians of the characters, and then some miscellenia (which I feel should include the likes of locations, storylines, publications, and miscellenia) 66.109.248.114 22:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Intersting. it's no longer a template, it's now a NAVBOX. Interestingly, I designed a template. however, now that I know the intent of WP Comics is to produce a Batman navbox, I wish you all well. Since that was the purpose of the massive edits to Template:The Batman, I can now revert them, and allow WP:Comics to produce it's own Navbox elsewhere. I wish you all well. ThuranX 04:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
These need to go. Character articles already have prominent links to the groups they belong to; those team pages either list the entire roster or link to separate page that does. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
As Basique suggested at the WP:CMC talk page, we ought to create some guidelines for the creation and use of character navboxes. Conflict arose in the editing of {{ Batman}}, and it might not have happened if we had some guidance in place.
First, I think we have to answer some questions, including:
Please add your own questions/sections to this page and share your thoughts below:
Does WP:CMC really have any particular wuthority to even SET a standard that all others must adhere to? I think that's the first part of this discussion. IF Jimbo Wales deputized the WP:CMC to have more powers than other editors, then I guess we don't really need all this FALSE civility, since WP:CMC will do what they already do. Come in, do what they want, and ignore other editors, then as they leave, link to a page like this and say 'see? we do have the authority, come lavish us with praise for our behavior'. I've said it before, I'm saying it again. I won't back down from bullies. Given your representatives in this situation proudly display infoxoes stating they ARE bullies, I see no reason to continue paying any attention to WP:Comics demands and hostile actions. In the future, I will simply summarily revert any such attack edits. ThuranX 13:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
For large navboxes, I do think the hide function should be available and the default setting of the box for the aesthetic of the article. Too many or too large navboxes can make an article look bad. -- Newt ΨΦ 18:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There has been some recent editing conflict on some of the superhero navboxes, specificly for characters of Flash (comics) and Green Lantern. I thought this would be a good opportunity to discuss exemplars, format and style, to provide a certain degree of uniformity to the hero pages. I have thought that the Batman, Superman, and Captain Marvel navboxes have served a great models to follow.
I feel this discussion could help to resolve or avoid future editing conflicts. 66.109.248.114 22:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
My intial response to these discussion points. 1: I feel that the creators should list exclusively the initial creators to the character/mythos. The further addition of every subsequent character creator serves to dilute the lists, these writers and artists can still be found on the individual character pages (which can be found on the Navboxes), 2 different characters have been called Batman (in universe) and still only Bob Kane is listed on that Navbox, and the same for Shazam. As featured articles, I feel we should follow the precidence of these boxes. 2: Major villians should have an established publication history against the superhero (whether that be a featured villian over several years or featured in major story arcs). 3: A storyline for a superhero contrasts in my opinion from a storyline that features a superhero. I would consider Crisis on Infinite Earths, not to be a Flash or Supergirl storyline, but rather a series that featured these characters in supporting roles, as such, I would not encourage Crisis being featured in a Flash or Supergirl Navbox. Storylines are those featured either in the character's book(s) and/or where the character in the main character in the featured story. 4. Like previously stated, I have looked to the Superman, Batman and Shazam templates as examples. As such I feel the Navboxes should include the initial creators, characters/supporting characters featured in the books, the major villians of the characters, and then some miscellenia (which I feel should include the likes of locations, storylines, publications, and miscellenia) 66.109.248.114 22:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Intersting. it's no longer a template, it's now a NAVBOX. Interestingly, I designed a template. however, now that I know the intent of WP Comics is to produce a Batman navbox, I wish you all well. Since that was the purpose of the massive edits to Template:The Batman, I can now revert them, and allow WP:Comics to produce it's own Navbox elsewhere. I wish you all well. ThuranX 04:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
These need to go. Character articles already have prominent links to the groups they belong to; those team pages either list the entire roster or link to separate page that does. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 06:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)