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Should defunct conferences like the Southwest Conference or Big Eight Conference have their own navboxes? I noticed a while ago that the CUSA navbox is on the SWC page. And if the SWC or Big Eight have navboxes listing the teams as former members, should those pages link to the teams article e.g. Rice Owls? If the answer is yes should the Big XII link to Nebraska, should the SoCon link to Alabama etc. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 18:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it's taking the guideline of WP:OVERLINK to the extreme at 2015 NCAA Division I FBS football rankings and not having enough links. I'd imagine most readers go to the current week (or some specific week of interest), find a team they want to read about, but are SOL if the team wasn't ranked for the first time that week. OVERLINK has been interpreted to only have one link to each team in the table. So you either search the whole table for that link, open another tab and just type the name in, or say "forget it". However, OVERLINK allows that "if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, ..." I think we'd be better off linking every entry in this table, as I'd imaging few read it serially from left to right, or read it completely.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
With 2 polls, 25 teams and 10 weeks already, that's about 500 entries (then there are the dropouts) to link. Is there a WP:WIKIGNOME among us? In the meantime, Zaqwert, who appears to be the most active editor of the page, might agree to at least start linking all of the new entires for the remaining weeks.— Bagumba ( talk) 23:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a tool that would allow us to track/monitor newly-created articles that fall within the scope of this project? Cbl62 ( talk) 21:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
In 1951, the College Football Hall of Fame was established. At that time, an inaugural class of 53 coaches and players were inducted. In the eyes of the experts at the time, these were the 53 most significant individuals in the first 70 or so years of college football history. For a project like ours, these 53 persons are among our most important subjects. I pulled together the list today with the current article quality ratings and was surprised to find that only one of those 53 articles has reached FA status, and one other has reached GA status. Ten are rated "C" class, and the remaining 41 are either Stubs or Start class articles. Should anyone wish to adopt one of these pioneers and legends, the complete list with quality ratings can be found here: User:Cbl62/Early CFHOF Inductees. Cbl62 ( talk) 23:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Nissan Stadium#Tenants which may be of interest to group members here. At issue is the inclusion of bowl games as tenants but not, in this case, the CMA Music Festival, though it can also include things like the Super Bowl, WWE, conference championship games, conference tournaments, etc. Any additional perspectives and feedback would be welcome. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 14:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Could someone give me some advice. I have been on a kick of improving Hayden Epstein's article over the last few days since uberring someone who seemed to be him last Friday. Today, I came accross inconsistent sources that I could use some help interpreting. One source says he missed his first two field goals before booting a school record 56-yarder. Another says he missed his final attempt of the season. A third source says he was 5-7 on the season.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
This article was recently created but I'm not sure it passes. Jrcla2 ( talk) 05:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
For those interested in navboxes, there is an RfC about the use of WP:BIDIRECTIONAL that you may want to participate in at Wikipedia_talk:Categories,_lists,_and_navigation_templates#WP:BIDIRECTIONAL_navbox_requirements.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
You are invited to discuss the proposed move of Brown Field (Valparaiso University) to Brown Field. Please go to Talk:Brown Field (Valparaiso University)#Requested move 21 November 2015. Fbdave ( talk) 03:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Note: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Charles Erickson#Merger proposal regarding the issue of whether or not the two subjects involved are the same person. Thanks! 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan 🎄 03:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
For the Pac-12, I can see having lists for conference champions ( List of Pacific-12 Conference football champions). Do we also want a list of every year's standings ( List of Pacific-12 Conference football standings) or a breakdown of each school's finish by year ( Pacific-12 Conference football statistics)?— Bagumba ( talk) 05:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
In NAIA play today, [1] #1 Morningside (Iowa) beat #16 Saint Xavier (Ill.) by a score of 75-69 in 4OT. Might be worth checking against scoring records to see if it fits anyplace.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 01:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
What does everybody think of this article should this be redirected to UB football stat leaders? UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 05:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
UCO2009bluejay mentioned Buffalo Bulls football statistical leaders. I don't think it needs to be a standalone, but maybe deserves a partial merge? If so, if we could get a style guide or even an existing article we could reference as a prototypical standard, it'd be much easier to just merge and redirect without having to go through overhead of AfD. Also, the style guide could be used as a reference for editors, and hopefully minimize whack-a-mole with snuffing these out. Problem is always that a reader sees an existing article, and figures they should represent and do the same for their favorite school.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:05, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I had an idea and I don't know if this has been attempted before but I thought it would be cool to have a "conference of the month" campaign. I am not suggesting ignoring other articles or issues that may arise during this time period, but this could focus attention to the lack of certain articles/lists and other missing data we have. Also, I am not suggesting editors focus only on one conference. Participation is completely voluntary, and all in good spirited editing, and if an editor gets busy/finds another issue no hard feelings should be felt. But I believe with 12-14 teams in a conference the opportunity to focus on different programs may help with fatigue or writers block. My proposal consists of the following:
Formation
Soo, any takers. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 04:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
As many of us can agree that Florida State & Georgia Tech is not a rivalry, I have gone ahead and nominated Florida State–Georgia Tech football rivalry at AfD. This message is to notify y'all of the discussion. THEowner of a l l 23:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a new discussion in which you may be interested, regarding whether the 2003 and 2003 USC Pac-10 titles were subsequently vacated. Please see Talk:List of Pacific-12 Conference football champions#2003 and 2004 USC Pac-10 championships vacated. This is NOT about BSC or similar national championships. Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 18:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
The inclusion of all-conference "honorable mention" honors in infoboxes, as here, strikes me as severe overkill. In the linked example, De'Veon Smith received "honorable mention" mention form the conference coaches. The All-Big Ten team includes first-, second- and third-team selections, which means that six running backs received All-Big Ten honors each year. In addition, the coaches then recognize others as "honorable mention." Not sure if other conferences have similarly deep systems. Where you have six backs receiving actual honors, the "honorable mentions" seem more like "participation" awards rather than a true honor worthy of highlighting in an infobox. Thoughts? Cbl62 ( talk) 21:22, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
There is a dicussion about renaming the Pacific-12 Conference article in which you might be interested, located here Talk:Pacific-12 Conference#Requested move 5 December 2015 Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 23:20, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Whomever created this list made on oversight in 2007. Gameday has never been to a UMass vs New Hampshire game it was D3 Amherst at Williams. [4]. I tried to make a request there but it wasn't formatted correctly. (I never did this before). UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Anybody aware of the St. Norbert Green Knights? They could use more season articles. Cake ( talk) 03:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute between me and SeminoleNation ( talk · contribs) on whether Dalvin Cook's arrest and suspension this past summer should be in the article or not. Judging by the users name it's clear there is bias here to why this user wouldn't want the info there, but I wanted to bring this here to see what others think. To me it seems like a no-brainer that it stays, but what do others think?-- Yankees10 07:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Season articles campaign Cbl62 ( talk) 20:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
A college football article will be featured on the Main Page on Christmas Eve. See Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 24, 2015. Congrats to @ Paulmcdonald: who created it, @ A Texas Historian: who expanded and improved it, and @ Jweiss11: and others who also helped improve it. Nice work! Cbl62 ( talk) 18:44, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
You are invited to join a discussion regarding the due coverage of academics in relation to a college conference article at Talk:Pacific-12 Conference#Coverage of conference academics.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Is this something we really want to keep? It's a poorly sourced article about a "rivalry" that has occurred but seven times. p b p 18:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
When a team wins a championship or bowl the championship is added to the header information for their team article. The standard has always appeared to be full capitalization e.g. "ACC Champions" or "Rose Bowl Champions" As far as I can tell the vast, vast majority of team articles exist like this.
Recently some editors have begun reverting newer articles (2015 season mostly) to not capitalize the champions portion, e.g. "Big Ten champions" " or "Pac-12 South Division co-champions"
the reason given is that "champions" is not a proper noun.
To me, I think "champions" in this context is indeed a proper noun, as you are referring to that team specifically, e.g. "Big 12 Champions", 'Champions' is referring to the 2015 Oklahoma football team itself.
Furthermore, I think since it's sort of "header" information it just flat out looks better fully capitalized. You frequently see this convention with header info, throughout all Wikipedia.
Thoughts/opinions? Zaqwert ( talk) 20:17, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Esrever has made recent edits to Template:USC Trojans football navbox to replace the ampersands in the group headings with "and" written out. The use of ampersands there is standard practice in use in hundreds of other college sports team navboxes of the sort. Esrever has argued that the use of ampersands there is problematic under MOS:AMP, which states that "In normal text and headings, the word and should be used instead of the ampersand (&); for example January 1 and 2, not January 1 & 2. Retain ampersands in titles of works or organizations, such as Up & Down or AT&T. Ampersands may be used with consistency and discretion in places where space is extremely limited (i.e., tables and infoboxes)." My interpretation is that navbox group headings do not fall under "normal text and headings" and that use "with consistency and discretion in places where space is extremely limited" is apt here. Pinging a number of others who have been involved the creation and maintenance of these sorts of navboxes. @ Dirtlawyer1:, @ Patriarca12:, @ Jrcla2:, @ Pvmoutside:, @ Billcasey905: thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Please see: here. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 12:04, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of discussion about the dab page at YPG (mostly involving Syria), and while investigating it I found that the abbreviation "ypg" is used in vast numbers of American football articles but neither it nor "Yards per game" is described or defined anywhere in the encyclopedia (so there's nowhere for a dab page entry to point to). I've see it defined in places like http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/yards-per-game.aspx, but it's not in Glossary of American football. It might be useful for someone to define it in that glossary or somewhere else, with a source, and it could then be added to the dab page. Pam D 19:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I've nominated a group of related categories for renaming. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 December 22#American college sports championship team navigational boxes. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
It appears that in the past, when two teams end up atop a division with identical conference records, both teams are listed as "Division Co-Champions" in the infobox. (See, e.g., 2008 Texas Longhorns football team and 2008 Oklahoma Sooners football team or 2012 Oregon Ducks football team and 2012 Stanford Cardinal football team.) Since this appears to be the case, I've been trying to list 2015 Utah Utes football team and 2015 USC Trojans football team, but am now in danger of being accused of edit warring. I would welcome input on this practice and how it should be resolved. — Ute in DC ( talk) 20:35, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Apart from my snark above, conference divisional championships are relatively trivial matters; they only have meaning in that they are necessary prerequisites to playing in the conference championships games. By analogy, we do not list divisional championships in MLB or NFL player or coach infoboxes, and we surely don't list "wild card champions" either (the equivalent of divisional co-champions who lose the tie-breaker). Heck, most of us strongly resist listing things like "Super Bowl participants" and "conference runners-up," too. These really are best omitted from infoboxes, and left to the main body text where they can better described in context. I'm pretty sure the SEC does not hand out trophies for divisional co-champions (but I could be wrong); at least I've never seen one on the front page of an SEC regional newspaper. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 07:52, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
The default position until shown otherwise should be they exist. The evidence easily points to this. Utah and USC's websites BOTH proclaim their teams division co-champions. Respected sports media outlets proclaim them division co-champions. And most importantly the official Pac-12 web site network reporters refer to Utah as a division co-champion, the Pac-12 Web show "The Drive" refers to Utah as Division co-champions. Can we please put to rest if this exists and stop mucking with the page (info box for a given team is still up for debate) Cryofax ( talk) 07:28, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
If we sidestep the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument that other articles already have division co-champs in their infobox, what is the rationale for wanting to list them there? Alumni and recentism aside, is this really a notable accomplishment that needs to be prominent in an infobox years from now? I'm thinking no, but would like to hear counter arguments.— Bagumba ( talk) 22:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
This is related to the discussion going on above, but a bit off-topic, so I'm going to open it up here. If there's one thing that I could snap my fingers and remove from the season infoboxes, it would be the listing of rivalry game wins as "championships" (example: I don't thing that "Apple Cup Champions" should be the first thing listed in the infobox for 2015 Washington Huskies football team). Now, if the Apple Cup were a season-long award, like, say, the Lambert Cup, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it isn't. All winning the Apple Cup means is that Washington won one regular season football game against Washington State. And the same thing goes for the Iron "Bowl," the Egg "Bowl," etc. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 16:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Requesting help in finding J. C. Anderson of Cumberland's 1903 football team and J. J. Thompson of the 1902 and 1903 Transylvania (then Kentucky University) football team. While we're at it, can anybody find John Adams of 1891 Penn?
Also, I think we should move J. N. Stone to Stein Stone. The "J. N" is an artifact of his listing as Clemson coach, but it's quite difficult to find him called J. N. or James. He was known as Stein. Cake ( talk) 06:44, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Roswell Gunby Higginbotham's page is under Grady Higginbotham. This seems likely in error. His brother was Grady (or Grailey). Grady was known as "Big Hig" and Roswell as "Lil Hig." Lil Hig was the FB on the 1919 team - Big Hig on the 1912 team, much too early for Roswell. Cake ( talk) 18:18, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The season articles campaign has now reached a total of more than 3,400 new season articles created in 2015, including stand-alone articles for every remaining season played by 23 programs (Arkansas, Army, Auburn, Carlisle Indians, Chicago, Clemson, Detroit, Florida State, Georgia, Illinois, LSU, Michigan State, Minnesota, Navy, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Purdue, Texas, UCLA, USC, and Washington). If anyone wants to help continue the progress, visit the subpage at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Season articles campaign. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I have nominated the recently created Template:Japan Bowl MVPs for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I received an urgent malware warning this evening while using the College Football Data Warehouse (CFDW) site. This has become a recurring problem with the CFDW site. These problems have been happening for more than a year (See, e.g., August 2014 virus incident) and suggest a serious security problem allowing the site to be repeatedly infected or highjacked. Given these problems, we may want to consider using more secure sites such as SR/College Football when the same information is available there. Cbl62 ( talk) 05:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
What are the new bowl eligiblity rules? It seems to me that the 2015 Minnesota Golden Gophers football team and 2015 Nebraska Cornhuskers football team should not have been eligible for bowl games. I thought a team had to have 6 wins and a .500 record.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
The Nick Saban article has a list of all of the Alabama players he has coached that have been drafted by the NFL. There are also pending edits to add similar lists for his players at Michigan State and LSU. This seems like overkill for a biography article and could set a bad precedent. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
This —> Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Team articles is on the WikiProjects page, and I don't believe it to be redundant to the Master Team Table. However I find it in desperate need for updating and information. My biggest concern is with the basketball columns. While I figure this to be a remnant of the pre-College Basketball project days I think it is outdated in regards to naming schemata without "men's" for many team names. I believe this guide needs to be overhauled. Naturally, I would like to get some other opinions in regards to this matter before attempting to Boldly edit this page. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Have we decided that we want to have conference champion templates like Template:Big Ten Conference football champions? Didn't we previously decide not to have templates for conference chamionship game winners?-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The unbroken wall of links (120 seasons, and close to 175 links because of multiple co-champions in almost 50 of those seasons) is hugely problematic. You can have 200+ links in a single navbox, but it needs to be internally segmented and better organized. That said, the easy solution here is convert this navbox to a list of conference football champions, and then link the list in the "see also" section of the individual season articles for the teams that won a conference championship. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 01:09, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Before this conversation escapes us, I thought I would pose a relevant question. First, I am not for conference champion roster navboxes such as we have with national champions as a general rule; so do not think I wish to go there. However, there do seem non-national champions worthy of navboxes. I've made one for the 1899 Iron Men and say the Four Horsemen or Seven Blocks of Granite could probably use one. There are also some great teams of old with all the starters meeting general notability requirements on their own (e. g. 1920 Georgia Tech Golden Tornado), and something to facilitate linking between them could prove useful. Thoughts?
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Texas Longhorns football series records is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Longhorns football series records until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Cbl62 ( talk) 05:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC) on behalf of User:Dirtlawyer1.
Can anyone provide some guidelines to avoid text wrapping issues, such as on 1928 Florida Gators football team#Week 9: at Tennessee? One can eschew the year which can be inferred from the article, or shorten Tennessee to Tenn or Vols or something. Sometimes you might need both - say shortening Washington & Lee to W&L. Including both the stadium and the city always makes for issues in the location. Also, is there any way to avoid the annoying bullet point when the winner is made bold? Thanks in advance to any in the know. Cake ( talk) 15:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Please see: here. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:26, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find out more about this enigma? Cake ( talk) 12:35, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated a number of articles and a template related to high school football for deletion. Please see the following discussions:
Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:00, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
High school coach templates? Up to you, but I'd hate to see these start for basketball. Example - Template:Everett HS (MA) football coach navbox. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:19, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I have noticed several CFB articles that are orphans, and I think it would be a worthwhile attempt to de orphan as many of these as possible. Here is the list. We have several orphaned articles that I believe aren't notable. Does anybody have thoughts on the following, several (but not all that I am listing) of which I assume may have been created by those in question:
I know not every member of a powerhouse program or a national championship team is notable. But I figured someone like Cake would do like to do some digging to establish whether or not he does before I prod or afd that article.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I have doubt as to whether this newly-created article on a defunct series that was only played 14 times would withstand WP:GNG analysis as either a traditional rivalry or as a historically significant series. Cbl62 ( talk) 01:02, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Since unduly created rivalry articles are under discussion, is this a "rivalry"?-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Something for those knowledgeable about the history of the sport, perhaps @ Cbl62:, @ ParkH.Davis:. I long wondered "what the &@^# & is a "criss cross" play?" Presumably it happens in the backfield. Saw it referenced multiple times without explanation. Now have figured it out: e. g. here. Similarly, buck is not a term come across much today. So I am thinking, any more obscure plays or play-terms of which we might take note? Cake ( talk) 18:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Congratulations to a fine Alabama Crimson Tide football team on their 116th national championship! How about that onside kick, eh? And a hearty "well played" to the Clemson Tigers, who proved that the ACC still plays Division I FBS football. This public service announcement brought to you by an SEC fan in search of a starting quarterback, preferably one with no history of PED use. SEC Fan ( talk) 05:19, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
The propriety of using the word "winningest", and a related effort to excise the word from Wikipedia, is the subject of a discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#"winningest" in sports articles. As the word is used in articles falling within the scope of this project, editors of this project may wish to participate either for or against the proposed removal. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Now that the season is coming to a close, we have about 300 Current and Future class articles cover the 2015 seasons that need to be re-rated on the assessment scale. Can we get a few people to chip in with that? Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:34, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a variant of Template:Winning percentage that displays both the numerical win-loss record (e.g., "21–7") and the winning percentage in brackets (e.g., "(.750)") immediately following the win-loss record without having to enter the data twice? If such a variant of the template does not exist, does anyone have the coding skills to create one? All of the NFL head coach infoboxes use the winning percentage template, but you have to enter the wins and losses twice -- once as text, and again in the template -- to update the field. Seems kinda silly, and I assume creating the variant would be child's play for an experienced coder. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 06:16, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
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In recent days a few all-time program-specific team navboxes have been created by A Texas Historian and MisterCake:
There are also two similar Georgia Tech navboxes that MisterCake created last year:
We need to discuss these before more of their type are created. My opinion is that these navboxes should be deleted. They denote rather obscure all-time team selections that do not have, nor do them seem to warrant, stand-alone articles. Furthermore, no mention of these all-time teams is made in the main article for the respective programs in question. Are the selections to these teams essential to the identity of the biographical subjects linked in these navboxes? I think not. This class of navboxes strikes me a fancruft and clutter.
What does everyone else think? Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Update: I have nominated these seven navboxes for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:FHSAA's All-Century Team for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 05:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
The templates also have various problems under the WP:NAVBOX criteria, including the absence of an article or list on the specific topic of the navbox in at least three cases. Two of the awards are for the best player in a metropolitan area. Three are for high school underclassmen. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 23:28, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated a series of navboxes related to the NCAA's Silver Anniversary Awards for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:57, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Please take part in a discussion on this at Talk:Big East Conference#"New" vs. "old" Big East for basketball articles. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk)
New Princeton football season articles, for the years 2000 though 2010, have been created in recent days. A number of the them were initially PROD'd, and 2000 Princeton Tigers football team has been subsequently AfD'd here. Others have have been marked for questionable notability and need for attention. Can we get some input at the AfD and some attenton on these articles? @ Cbl62: this may be up your alley. Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Does Corey Davis meet our notability guidelines at WP:NGRIDIRON? It doesn't seem like it but I could use a second opinion with someone more familiar with the sport. I came across this article indirectly after responding to a different request. Mkdw talk 01:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Iowa Hawkeyes football series records for deletion, interested editors please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iowa Hawkeyes football series records UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 06:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Gang, what do y'all want as a standard in the rivalry articles in terms of 1 or 2 columns? Personally, I think that the compact 2 columns looks better, especially if they are long, but if they are short then a non-compact table would be fine. An editor has been recently going through rivalry articles an removing the 2, compact format. His reason "Compact, 2 cols is not the common standard. The documentation for Template:Sports rivalry series table shows it as Option 4. A search of Wikipedia:WikiProject College football does not show it to be the standard." Yes, it isn't listed as a standard, but it is shown that this what the Project has put it as. Thoughts? ❄ Corkythe hornetfan ❄ 18:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Note: It has been requested that The Summit League be moved to Summit League per WP:THE and WP:COMMONNAME on the article's talk page. Please join the discussion. Thanks! ❄ Corkythe hornetfan ❄ 23:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
FYI--Gang see Wikipedia:Persondata; this template has been deprecated.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Gang, I just restored Tyson Summers and did some quick edits/sourcing--he is now a head coach at Georgia Southern... but the article needs work and I don't have time to address it in any detail. Please pitch in!-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:57, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Is Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award a discontinued award? I can't find anything that is more recent than the 2013 winners, and their official website doesn't load. If it is discontinued, the article should be updated to reflect that. Jrcla2 ( talk) 22:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Florida Gators football, 1990–99 does not use the "away" and "neutral" parameters stating that they are redundant when the stadium and city are specified. Are there any opinions? Fbdave ( talk) 21:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Just a quick note for everyone, I've nominated Ben Crosby at FAC, the second Navy coach I've brought there. And for anyone who cares, it is also a WikiCup nomination. Thanks, - A Texas Historian ( Impromptu collaboration?) 21:42, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated a series of navboxes related to the ESPN RISE high school football awards for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I've been working on the Big 12 Conference articles for some time in a sub-page. And I've run into an issue with the affiliate members. The infobox shows the number of conference members, the Big 12 states that they only have ten members however they also have ten affiliate members. I have the affiliates listed in the infobox with the membership number at twenty. Would this be appropriate with the conference only saying that the have ten members.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 07:45, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I just came across List of Texas Longhorns football games again—I've apparently made minor edits to it in the past. I feel like we may have had a similar list for Michigan some years back, created by Cbl62, but we decided to delete it, because it was difficult to have objective inclusion criteria. Am I recalling correctly about the Michigan list? Thoughts about the Texas list? Jweiss11 ( talk) 02:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
The Georgia list is completely redundant to the Georgia season articles, and needs to be deleted or redirected to another appropriate Georgia Bulldogs football article. The Texas article is a list of purported "greatest-ever" games. I don't know what the current status of all the Longhorns season articles may be, but some of this material might-could be incorporated in the seasons. Sadly, it appears that little of the list of purported greatest-ever Longhorns games is sourced. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 16:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Georgia Bulldogs football (all games) for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Is this navbox "consensus national championship" title appropriate: "2004 USC Trojans football—consensus national champions (BCS / Coaches Poll vacated)"? Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 21:56, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
The iron men are one of the sports great stories. Does anybody have a clue the formations Suter ran, or any clever ways to look for such? Cake ( talk) 21:02, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
We've all seen the Sarah McLachlan adds making heartfelt pleas for suffering animals. ... cue music ... This is a heartfelt plea to help the many college football mascots that need your help. Through the efforts of generous volunteers, Wikipedia's "Save the Mascots" campaign was able in 2015 to save such beloved and cuddly creatures as the Golden Gophers, Bruins, Nittany Lions, Razorbacks ( ), and Bulldogs -- creating season articles for every one of their seasons. In recent weeks, through continuing generous support of volunteers like you, we have also now saved the following:
Unfortunately, many other mascots continue to suffer, and only you can help alleviate that suffering. With a few hours or your time, you can help save some of the most beloved mascots of all time, including the likes of the Golden Bears, Ducks ( ), Panthers, Cardinals, Terrapins ( ), Horned Frogs, Buffaloes ( ), Beavers, Gamecocks, Owls, Mustangs ( ), and even though they may not be as cuddly, the Gators, Yellow Jackets, and Wolfpack. Won't you please help? Cbl62 ( talk) 17:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
User:Lizard the Wizard and User:Rybkovich are some fellows new to these parts who have done fine work. Lizard has considerably expanded Billy Cannon and Rybkovich has considerably expanded Pop Warner. Cake ( talk) 16:37, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Talk:Return specialist for discussion. Lizard ( talk) 00:55, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
The 2016 CFP Championship page (specifically the game summary section) reads like it's been written by a dejected Clemson fan. I think the section could use a little more of an unbiased summary for neutral readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mja9678 ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello, I am writing you all inquiring about a Wikipedia page for James Ross III . I was wondering do you all provide pages for college athletes? There would be a lot of information since he first began playing football until now. (Ex. Jr high school, high school etc.) he has played linebacker as a starter for the University of Michigan for 4 years and is currently training for the 2016 NFL draft. I am working on marketing for him before he can hire a true marketing team. Also do you all charge for pages, if so how much?I look forward to hearing back from you soon.
Thank you.
Omni26 ( talk) 17:33, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Hey, guys, I know we have a few folks around here who are interested in lower division football, so I thought I'd throw this out here. While making some updates for new coaching hires, I added Mark Raymond to Template:Williams Ephs football coach navbox. The only "problem" here is that Template:Williams Ephs football coach navbox was formerly an entirely blue-linked template, and it kind of seems like a shame to have to add a redlink onto the end of it! The obvious solution here would be to create an article for coach Mark Raymond. Unfortunately, I don't have much free time available this week, so I thought I'd toss it out here. Anybody game? Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Note: It has been requested that The Sun Conference be moved to Sun Conference per WP:THE and WP:COMMONNAME. Please join the discussion. Thanks! 🍀 Corkythe hornetfan 🍀 02:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Is Graham Hobson and Alexis Hobson somehow the same person? See here. Cake ( talk) 17:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Note: It has been requested that Mississippi State Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs be moved to Mississippi State Bulldogs per WP:COMMONNAME. Please join the discussion. Thanks! 🍀 Corkythe hornetfan 🍀 04:01, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The color scheme on these (eg - Template:Miami RedHawks football coach navbox and Template:Miami RedHawks men's basketball coach navbox) has somehow been changed to grey and white instead of red and white. Does anyone here have the expertise to fix it? Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Please see the following XfDs that I have just opened:
Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
We could use some more input on the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football series records AfD above. Also two more AfDs on college football topics:
Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:40, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
See discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Infobox guideline for a discussion on the highlights section of player infoboxes. Lizard ( talk) 15:30, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Not directly related to this project, per se, but of tangential interest to some members here as an NCAA Division I athletic director. Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Hartwell. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 11:02, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
We have a backlog of 186 articles from the 2015 season still rated as Current class; see Category:Current-Class college football articles. I've been chipping away at these, but could use some help re-rating these on the quality scale. Many of these articles also still have some or all of their leads written on the present tense, so those need to be revised as well. I'd love to get some help knocking this out in the near future. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:07, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:NCAA Division I FCS National Champion navbox for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:19, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
What does everybody think about the name of this article? I would like to know because I have been placing these articles into their parent cat and this is the only remaining article left in Category:College sports teams in the United States by team not yet moved. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 01:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I have requested a move request here if anybody would like to participate. In addition to the main move request I have proposed, there are other options listed, and feel free to provide your own suggestions as well. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 02:46, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I have proposed some changes to Template:Infobox college coach, specifically removing external links. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:57, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Some programs such as Montana have a full set of season articles. However, in addition to these the program also has pages for teams that never played. An example of this in article form would be 1918 Montana Grizzlies football team, some are redirects such as 1871 Princeton Tigers football team. With one simple step in the season infoboxes (most of which in existing articles I have taken the liberty to do so [8]) These articles in either redirect of article form are pointless, save for some like 1918 Tennessee Volunteers football team. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 02:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree with the assertion that these teams must be evaluated on a case by case basis, here is a non exhaustive list of at least some of these teams LSU: 1918, Princeton 1871, Michigan 1882,Montana: 1918, 1943, 1944, Alabama: 1898, 1918. Georgia: 1917, 1918, Tennessee: 1898, 1917, 1943. The club teams I have found include 1917 Tennessee Volunteers football team, 1918 Tennessee Volunteers football team, and 1943. While on the club teams I would support keeping including 1943 Bama, I have serious reservations listing these teams alongside varsity teams despite the fact that the 43 Tide had several varsity players on that team. To me this is on par with VCU Rams football. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 01:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Jweiss11:, @ Cbl62: @ Lizard the Wizard:, @ Corkythehornetfan:. I have requested that the 43 Bama page move here, and anybody else with any opinions concurring, contrarily or otherwise please comment there. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 04:38, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@
Jweiss11: and others: Something needs to be done with navigation boxes like in the
William McAvoy article. There is simply way too many to not be grouped together. Personally, I'd like to see them grouped like in
this diff. No color is needed since the coaches are at various schools. I don't care if you want to leave the default name Links to related articles
as the title or something like Name coaching positions
, etc.
This article is another example. ☔️ Corkythe
hornetfan 🌺 01:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
In the infobox for Tavon Austin, it has he was an All-Big 12 selection in 2012, but that he also was an All-Big East and Big East Special Teams Player of the Year in 2012. Obviously he couldn't have been an all-conference selection for 2 different conferences, right? WV football's page says the team joined the Big 12 in 2012. Anyone know what the deal is here? This is one of the problems with infoboxes, people just throw stuff in them that aren't cited anywhere in the body. Lizard ( talk) 17:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_23#Alec_Wulff regarding redirects of all of a college team's players to a season article.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:45, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
I am having a debate with @ Kmanblue: on the Kansas Football page, specifically the Former Jayhawks in the pros section and regarding Wide Receiver for the Titans Andrew Turzilli and Dolphins Cornerback Tyler Patmon. Both players spent time at Kansas however did not finish their college careers at Kansas. Neither player is listed on the team roster with Kansas as their college. Kmanblue insists these players need to be listed in this section but I believe since neither lists Kansas as their college they should not be listed. I will mention this discussion on NFL project as well. And to answer your question, yes Kansas plays football too lol.--Rockchalk 717 09:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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1961 Tangerine Bowl was recently created, should there be a Lamar Cardinals bowl game navbox? Jrcla2 ( talk) 16:29, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Input would be appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Do we need to standardize highlights?. Lizard ( talk) 21:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure how we should type this in the infobox. It's generally accepted that "champion" is not a proper noun (despite it being capitalized still in multiple articles) but this one is a head scratcher. I've seen "BCS National Champion," "BCS National champion," and "BCS national champion." I've been favoring the last one but it just doesn't look right. Lizard ( talk) 15:14, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
This AfD could use some eyeballs on it. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Was Horace Butterworth ever an official head coach of basketball or football at the University of Chicago? This edit made me aware that he was affiliated with the school, but I see no records of him in media guides or elsewhere as being an official coach in either sport. @ Cbl62: do you have any sources to verify? Jrcla2 ( talk) 18:05, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
An AfD the subject of which is within the scope of this project has been opened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1934 Michigan State Normal Hurons football team. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Reminder: It's July 1st that means its time to update conference affiliations, if anybody has any idea on all of the lists/pages/cats that need to be updated. I know of a couple that I will be working on. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:37, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at the edit war regarding the need for including David Sills (American football)' scout team performance in his biography.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I am glad to see so many people have considered this player of marginal notability and that the article has gotten cleaned up. Jweiss11, "bad editing and terrible judgement"? Is that the proper summary of my 350,000+ edits? Over time, it has proven to be the case that my youth athletes in basketball have mostly gone on to make the National Basketball Association ( Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor, Mitch McGary, Cliff Alexander, Tyus Jones), be drafted into the NBA ( Tyler Ulis) and/or start on an NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Champion (Jones, Okafor, Jalen Brunson). The book is still out on Tyus Battle and Zak Irvin and not looking good for Kameron Chatman. In football, I have no NFL stories and David Sills (American football) is a bit of a disaster. Yet, I stand behind Randall Cunningham II who is already an NCAA Champion in another sport and don't yet know what to make of George Campbell (American football). However, even my college athlete creations in football have been suspect. I concede that I should tread more carefully in creating young football athletes.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:22, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at the Talk:Cal State Los Angeles Golden Eagles article regarding the name. It is requested that members of this WikiProject comment for more opinions on what the actual name of the article should be. Thanks, Corkythe hornetfan 03:43, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Going on over here. Lizard ( talk) 17:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Please comment here in regards to navboxes in coaches articles. I pinged a few, but I'm sure I forgot many of you! Corkythe hornetfan 19:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see here. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 02:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
There has been a new editor who created a page 1997 Nokia Sugar Bowl when there obviously is an existing 1997 Sugar Bowl. There was a merge discussion but not a requested merge. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 02:04, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated the 13 Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame navigational boxes for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 16:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, y'all at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 July 16#Template:Georgia State Panthers bowl game navbox @ Corkythehornetfan: has IMO correctly advocated for the deletion of small bowl game navboxes in the past of former teams that unlikely will ever play in another bowl game and current teams that dont' have the numbers yet, but could potentially play in enough bowl games to warrant navboxes in the future. Would this Project stand behind a three bowl game exception to allow in the Bowls and Rivalries sections of the main program navboxes with the understanding that these will eventually be created, IF the program reaches a sufficient number to mandate its own navbox. An example of one that currently and partially includes this would be Boise State's, this would solve this issue if we set a hard cap. I doubt we will have a Michigan person attempt to include these in the program navbox. (Or just throwing this out there would anybody support merging these navboxes across the board, such as what I have heard of rumblings of merging season navboxes with franchise navboxes in NFL). UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:13, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Aye, I'd support putting the bowl games in the main template if the team has less than 4. But why place them in the rivalries section? Lizard ( talk) 02:38, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I created a few mock-ups here, after I while I just decided to go radical. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I have initiated a move request at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 28#Category:Citrus Bowl (game) champion seasons interested editors are encouraged to participate. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:49, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion in which you may be interested on Infobox support for articles on all-conference teams, see: Category talk:College football all-conference teams#thoughts on Infobox support
Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 21:55, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I have been wondering, does has anybody found word on the missing. This is mainly in reference to DL and Cbl has seemingly taken a break too. I think we need to double the guard on JW. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 01:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion on inclusion of player jersey numbers with team-season navboxes in which you may be interested.
Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 18:14, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
There is a discusion in which you might be interested, at Template talk:Infobox NCAA team season#division string automatically on new line. UW Dawgs ( talk) 17:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
In an appeal to wiser editors, do you think one should separate out the decades, such as in the Big Eight or Big 12 conference champion navbox, or should we leave it be like with the Big Ten or SEC? Help appreciated. The groups for say the Pac 12 make perfect sense, but the lack of clutter might be being sacrificed for something arbitrary in the above cases. Cake ( talk) 16:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Not sure where I got the idea that Parke H. Davis or someone else had Colgate as national champion in 1916, but I did, and so this should be deleted. Cake ( talk) 02:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Any artistic folk perusing wikiproject college football? Only recently I realized the "uniform" parameter for season articles, in e. g. 1957 San Francisco 49ers season. Hopefully I am not only motivating its removal by attempting to provide such for the pre-1933 days of college football. Any help would be much appreciated. For example, there seem to be a few standard types of shirts: the friction stripes (see Grange) and the kind of padded circular wing thingies were popular in the 20s (see Wycoff). Before those the mere striped sleeves were popular (see Wade). There's also the stripe across the chest (see McMillin). People like Scott Sillcox will provide representations of certain teams (though he cannot always be trusted); such as these. Cards and programs might also provide color illustrations as guidelines. There are also a few types of pants. Socks seem even more a part of the uniform than the pants, and can be difficult to make out in black and white photographs. Lastly, the crude leather helmet leaves me with a crude drawing, but I wish a better draftsman would handle it. So, if you can draw, or if you know of photographs or color illustrations to help with any old major college program, let me know. Cake ( talk) 20:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I know there is still some inconsistency with Western Kentucky vs WKU but that pales in comparison to Louisiana–Lafayette vs Lousiana Ragin' Cajuns. What is the WP:Commonname? @ Corkythehornetfan:, and @ Pncomeaux: have been squabbling about this off and on for some time. This is far from the New York Bulls. NOTE: The university uses Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns (in line with other re-brands such as Little Rock Trojans ESPN uses ULL [11] as does Fox, [12] CBS, [13] the Sun Belt Conference [14], and the NCAA [15]. I think the evidence is clear cut, but some WP:CONSENSUS needs to be stated here to mandate precedence. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:51, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Louisiana Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns
Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns
UL LAFAYETTE RAGIN CAJUNS
Here are the facts again:
~A. On the Boise State fan forum, we are clearly referred to and thought as 'louisuana.' http://www.scout.com/college/boise-state/forums/2246-blue-turf-board/14868323-who-s-going-to-the-opener-against-louisiana ~B. During the Minute Maid classic this spring, the team was also listed as such, and the announcers often used that term as well. ~C. These are just a couple of examples to prove that the name is catching on in some quarters....despite what has been stated here.
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Sorry, but I don't agree with the collapsing of these comments. Hiding them away as "spurious discussion" as if they hold little value isn't much different than just deleting them. Valid points were raised here. Lizard ( talk) 20:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Thoughts on Category:Black College Football National Champions navigational boxes and {{ 2015 North Carolina A&T Aggies football navbox}}? I don't think these should exist but am too lazy to nominate for deletion. Jrcla2 ( talk) 22:23, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Tom Danson has requested a move:
An editor has requested that {{subst:linked|Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans}} be moved to {{subst:#if:|{{subst:linked|{{{2}}}}}|another page}}{{subst:#switch: project |user | USER = . Since you had some involvement with 'Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans', you |#default = , which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You}} are invited to participate in [[{{subst:#if:|{{subst:#if:|#{{{section}}}|}}|{{subst:#if:|Talk:Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans#{{{section}}}|{{subst:TALKPAGENAME:Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans}}}}}}|the move discussion]].
Corkythe hornetfan (ping me) 01:41, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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Should defunct conferences like the Southwest Conference or Big Eight Conference have their own navboxes? I noticed a while ago that the CUSA navbox is on the SWC page. And if the SWC or Big Eight have navboxes listing the teams as former members, should those pages link to the teams article e.g. Rice Owls? If the answer is yes should the Big XII link to Nebraska, should the SoCon link to Alabama etc. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 18:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it's taking the guideline of WP:OVERLINK to the extreme at 2015 NCAA Division I FBS football rankings and not having enough links. I'd imagine most readers go to the current week (or some specific week of interest), find a team they want to read about, but are SOL if the team wasn't ranked for the first time that week. OVERLINK has been interpreted to only have one link to each team in the table. So you either search the whole table for that link, open another tab and just type the name in, or say "forget it". However, OVERLINK allows that "if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, ..." I think we'd be better off linking every entry in this table, as I'd imaging few read it serially from left to right, or read it completely.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
With 2 polls, 25 teams and 10 weeks already, that's about 500 entries (then there are the dropouts) to link. Is there a WP:WIKIGNOME among us? In the meantime, Zaqwert, who appears to be the most active editor of the page, might agree to at least start linking all of the new entires for the remaining weeks.— Bagumba ( talk) 23:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a tool that would allow us to track/monitor newly-created articles that fall within the scope of this project? Cbl62 ( talk) 21:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
In 1951, the College Football Hall of Fame was established. At that time, an inaugural class of 53 coaches and players were inducted. In the eyes of the experts at the time, these were the 53 most significant individuals in the first 70 or so years of college football history. For a project like ours, these 53 persons are among our most important subjects. I pulled together the list today with the current article quality ratings and was surprised to find that only one of those 53 articles has reached FA status, and one other has reached GA status. Ten are rated "C" class, and the remaining 41 are either Stubs or Start class articles. Should anyone wish to adopt one of these pioneers and legends, the complete list with quality ratings can be found here: User:Cbl62/Early CFHOF Inductees. Cbl62 ( talk) 23:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Nissan Stadium#Tenants which may be of interest to group members here. At issue is the inclusion of bowl games as tenants but not, in this case, the CMA Music Festival, though it can also include things like the Super Bowl, WWE, conference championship games, conference tournaments, etc. Any additional perspectives and feedback would be welcome. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 14:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Could someone give me some advice. I have been on a kick of improving Hayden Epstein's article over the last few days since uberring someone who seemed to be him last Friday. Today, I came accross inconsistent sources that I could use some help interpreting. One source says he missed his first two field goals before booting a school record 56-yarder. Another says he missed his final attempt of the season. A third source says he was 5-7 on the season.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
This article was recently created but I'm not sure it passes. Jrcla2 ( talk) 05:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
For those interested in navboxes, there is an RfC about the use of WP:BIDIRECTIONAL that you may want to participate in at Wikipedia_talk:Categories,_lists,_and_navigation_templates#WP:BIDIRECTIONAL_navbox_requirements.— Bagumba ( talk) 07:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
You are invited to discuss the proposed move of Brown Field (Valparaiso University) to Brown Field. Please go to Talk:Brown Field (Valparaiso University)#Requested move 21 November 2015. Fbdave ( talk) 03:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Note: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Charles Erickson#Merger proposal regarding the issue of whether or not the two subjects involved are the same person. Thanks! 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan 🎄 03:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
For the Pac-12, I can see having lists for conference champions ( List of Pacific-12 Conference football champions). Do we also want a list of every year's standings ( List of Pacific-12 Conference football standings) or a breakdown of each school's finish by year ( Pacific-12 Conference football statistics)?— Bagumba ( talk) 05:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
In NAIA play today, [1] #1 Morningside (Iowa) beat #16 Saint Xavier (Ill.) by a score of 75-69 in 4OT. Might be worth checking against scoring records to see if it fits anyplace.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 01:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
What does everybody think of this article should this be redirected to UB football stat leaders? UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 05:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
UCO2009bluejay mentioned Buffalo Bulls football statistical leaders. I don't think it needs to be a standalone, but maybe deserves a partial merge? If so, if we could get a style guide or even an existing article we could reference as a prototypical standard, it'd be much easier to just merge and redirect without having to go through overhead of AfD. Also, the style guide could be used as a reference for editors, and hopefully minimize whack-a-mole with snuffing these out. Problem is always that a reader sees an existing article, and figures they should represent and do the same for their favorite school.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:05, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I had an idea and I don't know if this has been attempted before but I thought it would be cool to have a "conference of the month" campaign. I am not suggesting ignoring other articles or issues that may arise during this time period, but this could focus attention to the lack of certain articles/lists and other missing data we have. Also, I am not suggesting editors focus only on one conference. Participation is completely voluntary, and all in good spirited editing, and if an editor gets busy/finds another issue no hard feelings should be felt. But I believe with 12-14 teams in a conference the opportunity to focus on different programs may help with fatigue or writers block. My proposal consists of the following:
Formation
Soo, any takers. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 04:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
As many of us can agree that Florida State & Georgia Tech is not a rivalry, I have gone ahead and nominated Florida State–Georgia Tech football rivalry at AfD. This message is to notify y'all of the discussion. THEowner of a l l 23:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a new discussion in which you may be interested, regarding whether the 2003 and 2003 USC Pac-10 titles were subsequently vacated. Please see Talk:List of Pacific-12 Conference football champions#2003 and 2004 USC Pac-10 championships vacated. This is NOT about BSC or similar national championships. Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 18:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
The inclusion of all-conference "honorable mention" honors in infoboxes, as here, strikes me as severe overkill. In the linked example, De'Veon Smith received "honorable mention" mention form the conference coaches. The All-Big Ten team includes first-, second- and third-team selections, which means that six running backs received All-Big Ten honors each year. In addition, the coaches then recognize others as "honorable mention." Not sure if other conferences have similarly deep systems. Where you have six backs receiving actual honors, the "honorable mentions" seem more like "participation" awards rather than a true honor worthy of highlighting in an infobox. Thoughts? Cbl62 ( talk) 21:22, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
There is a dicussion about renaming the Pacific-12 Conference article in which you might be interested, located here Talk:Pacific-12 Conference#Requested move 5 December 2015 Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 23:20, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Whomever created this list made on oversight in 2007. Gameday has never been to a UMass vs New Hampshire game it was D3 Amherst at Williams. [4]. I tried to make a request there but it wasn't formatted correctly. (I never did this before). UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Anybody aware of the St. Norbert Green Knights? They could use more season articles. Cake ( talk) 03:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute between me and SeminoleNation ( talk · contribs) on whether Dalvin Cook's arrest and suspension this past summer should be in the article or not. Judging by the users name it's clear there is bias here to why this user wouldn't want the info there, but I wanted to bring this here to see what others think. To me it seems like a no-brainer that it stays, but what do others think?-- Yankees10 07:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Season articles campaign Cbl62 ( talk) 20:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
A college football article will be featured on the Main Page on Christmas Eve. See Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 24, 2015. Congrats to @ Paulmcdonald: who created it, @ A Texas Historian: who expanded and improved it, and @ Jweiss11: and others who also helped improve it. Nice work! Cbl62 ( talk) 18:44, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
You are invited to join a discussion regarding the due coverage of academics in relation to a college conference article at Talk:Pacific-12 Conference#Coverage of conference academics.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Is this something we really want to keep? It's a poorly sourced article about a "rivalry" that has occurred but seven times. p b p 18:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
When a team wins a championship or bowl the championship is added to the header information for their team article. The standard has always appeared to be full capitalization e.g. "ACC Champions" or "Rose Bowl Champions" As far as I can tell the vast, vast majority of team articles exist like this.
Recently some editors have begun reverting newer articles (2015 season mostly) to not capitalize the champions portion, e.g. "Big Ten champions" " or "Pac-12 South Division co-champions"
the reason given is that "champions" is not a proper noun.
To me, I think "champions" in this context is indeed a proper noun, as you are referring to that team specifically, e.g. "Big 12 Champions", 'Champions' is referring to the 2015 Oklahoma football team itself.
Furthermore, I think since it's sort of "header" information it just flat out looks better fully capitalized. You frequently see this convention with header info, throughout all Wikipedia.
Thoughts/opinions? Zaqwert ( talk) 20:17, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Esrever has made recent edits to Template:USC Trojans football navbox to replace the ampersands in the group headings with "and" written out. The use of ampersands there is standard practice in use in hundreds of other college sports team navboxes of the sort. Esrever has argued that the use of ampersands there is problematic under MOS:AMP, which states that "In normal text and headings, the word and should be used instead of the ampersand (&); for example January 1 and 2, not January 1 & 2. Retain ampersands in titles of works or organizations, such as Up & Down or AT&T. Ampersands may be used with consistency and discretion in places where space is extremely limited (i.e., tables and infoboxes)." My interpretation is that navbox group headings do not fall under "normal text and headings" and that use "with consistency and discretion in places where space is extremely limited" is apt here. Pinging a number of others who have been involved the creation and maintenance of these sorts of navboxes. @ Dirtlawyer1:, @ Patriarca12:, @ Jrcla2:, @ Pvmoutside:, @ Billcasey905: thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Please see: here. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 12:04, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of discussion about the dab page at YPG (mostly involving Syria), and while investigating it I found that the abbreviation "ypg" is used in vast numbers of American football articles but neither it nor "Yards per game" is described or defined anywhere in the encyclopedia (so there's nowhere for a dab page entry to point to). I've see it defined in places like http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/yards-per-game.aspx, but it's not in Glossary of American football. It might be useful for someone to define it in that glossary or somewhere else, with a source, and it could then be added to the dab page. Pam D 19:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I've nominated a group of related categories for renaming. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 December 22#American college sports championship team navigational boxes. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
It appears that in the past, when two teams end up atop a division with identical conference records, both teams are listed as "Division Co-Champions" in the infobox. (See, e.g., 2008 Texas Longhorns football team and 2008 Oklahoma Sooners football team or 2012 Oregon Ducks football team and 2012 Stanford Cardinal football team.) Since this appears to be the case, I've been trying to list 2015 Utah Utes football team and 2015 USC Trojans football team, but am now in danger of being accused of edit warring. I would welcome input on this practice and how it should be resolved. — Ute in DC ( talk) 20:35, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Apart from my snark above, conference divisional championships are relatively trivial matters; they only have meaning in that they are necessary prerequisites to playing in the conference championships games. By analogy, we do not list divisional championships in MLB or NFL player or coach infoboxes, and we surely don't list "wild card champions" either (the equivalent of divisional co-champions who lose the tie-breaker). Heck, most of us strongly resist listing things like "Super Bowl participants" and "conference runners-up," too. These really are best omitted from infoboxes, and left to the main body text where they can better described in context. I'm pretty sure the SEC does not hand out trophies for divisional co-champions (but I could be wrong); at least I've never seen one on the front page of an SEC regional newspaper. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 07:52, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
The default position until shown otherwise should be they exist. The evidence easily points to this. Utah and USC's websites BOTH proclaim their teams division co-champions. Respected sports media outlets proclaim them division co-champions. And most importantly the official Pac-12 web site network reporters refer to Utah as a division co-champion, the Pac-12 Web show "The Drive" refers to Utah as Division co-champions. Can we please put to rest if this exists and stop mucking with the page (info box for a given team is still up for debate) Cryofax ( talk) 07:28, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
If we sidestep the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument that other articles already have division co-champs in their infobox, what is the rationale for wanting to list them there? Alumni and recentism aside, is this really a notable accomplishment that needs to be prominent in an infobox years from now? I'm thinking no, but would like to hear counter arguments.— Bagumba ( talk) 22:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
This is related to the discussion going on above, but a bit off-topic, so I'm going to open it up here. If there's one thing that I could snap my fingers and remove from the season infoboxes, it would be the listing of rivalry game wins as "championships" (example: I don't thing that "Apple Cup Champions" should be the first thing listed in the infobox for 2015 Washington Huskies football team). Now, if the Apple Cup were a season-long award, like, say, the Lambert Cup, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it isn't. All winning the Apple Cup means is that Washington won one regular season football game against Washington State. And the same thing goes for the Iron "Bowl," the Egg "Bowl," etc. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 16:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Requesting help in finding J. C. Anderson of Cumberland's 1903 football team and J. J. Thompson of the 1902 and 1903 Transylvania (then Kentucky University) football team. While we're at it, can anybody find John Adams of 1891 Penn?
Also, I think we should move J. N. Stone to Stein Stone. The "J. N" is an artifact of his listing as Clemson coach, but it's quite difficult to find him called J. N. or James. He was known as Stein. Cake ( talk) 06:44, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Roswell Gunby Higginbotham's page is under Grady Higginbotham. This seems likely in error. His brother was Grady (or Grailey). Grady was known as "Big Hig" and Roswell as "Lil Hig." Lil Hig was the FB on the 1919 team - Big Hig on the 1912 team, much too early for Roswell. Cake ( talk) 18:18, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The season articles campaign has now reached a total of more than 3,400 new season articles created in 2015, including stand-alone articles for every remaining season played by 23 programs (Arkansas, Army, Auburn, Carlisle Indians, Chicago, Clemson, Detroit, Florida State, Georgia, Illinois, LSU, Michigan State, Minnesota, Navy, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Purdue, Texas, UCLA, USC, and Washington). If anyone wants to help continue the progress, visit the subpage at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Season articles campaign. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I have nominated the recently created Template:Japan Bowl MVPs for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I received an urgent malware warning this evening while using the College Football Data Warehouse (CFDW) site. This has become a recurring problem with the CFDW site. These problems have been happening for more than a year (See, e.g., August 2014 virus incident) and suggest a serious security problem allowing the site to be repeatedly infected or highjacked. Given these problems, we may want to consider using more secure sites such as SR/College Football when the same information is available there. Cbl62 ( talk) 05:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
What are the new bowl eligiblity rules? It seems to me that the 2015 Minnesota Golden Gophers football team and 2015 Nebraska Cornhuskers football team should not have been eligible for bowl games. I thought a team had to have 6 wins and a .500 record.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
The Nick Saban article has a list of all of the Alabama players he has coached that have been drafted by the NFL. There are also pending edits to add similar lists for his players at Michigan State and LSU. This seems like overkill for a biography article and could set a bad precedent. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
This —> Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Team articles is on the WikiProjects page, and I don't believe it to be redundant to the Master Team Table. However I find it in desperate need for updating and information. My biggest concern is with the basketball columns. While I figure this to be a remnant of the pre-College Basketball project days I think it is outdated in regards to naming schemata without "men's" for many team names. I believe this guide needs to be overhauled. Naturally, I would like to get some other opinions in regards to this matter before attempting to Boldly edit this page. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Have we decided that we want to have conference champion templates like Template:Big Ten Conference football champions? Didn't we previously decide not to have templates for conference chamionship game winners?-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The unbroken wall of links (120 seasons, and close to 175 links because of multiple co-champions in almost 50 of those seasons) is hugely problematic. You can have 200+ links in a single navbox, but it needs to be internally segmented and better organized. That said, the easy solution here is convert this navbox to a list of conference football champions, and then link the list in the "see also" section of the individual season articles for the teams that won a conference championship. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 01:09, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Before this conversation escapes us, I thought I would pose a relevant question. First, I am not for conference champion roster navboxes such as we have with national champions as a general rule; so do not think I wish to go there. However, there do seem non-national champions worthy of navboxes. I've made one for the 1899 Iron Men and say the Four Horsemen or Seven Blocks of Granite could probably use one. There are also some great teams of old with all the starters meeting general notability requirements on their own (e. g. 1920 Georgia Tech Golden Tornado), and something to facilitate linking between them could prove useful. Thoughts?
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Texas Longhorns football series records is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Longhorns football series records until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Cbl62 ( talk) 05:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC) on behalf of User:Dirtlawyer1.
Can anyone provide some guidelines to avoid text wrapping issues, such as on 1928 Florida Gators football team#Week 9: at Tennessee? One can eschew the year which can be inferred from the article, or shorten Tennessee to Tenn or Vols or something. Sometimes you might need both - say shortening Washington & Lee to W&L. Including both the stadium and the city always makes for issues in the location. Also, is there any way to avoid the annoying bullet point when the winner is made bold? Thanks in advance to any in the know. Cake ( talk) 15:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Please see: here. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:26, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find out more about this enigma? Cake ( talk) 12:35, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated a number of articles and a template related to high school football for deletion. Please see the following discussions:
Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:00, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
High school coach templates? Up to you, but I'd hate to see these start for basketball. Example - Template:Everett HS (MA) football coach navbox. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:19, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I have noticed several CFB articles that are orphans, and I think it would be a worthwhile attempt to de orphan as many of these as possible. Here is the list. We have several orphaned articles that I believe aren't notable. Does anybody have thoughts on the following, several (but not all that I am listing) of which I assume may have been created by those in question:
I know not every member of a powerhouse program or a national championship team is notable. But I figured someone like Cake would do like to do some digging to establish whether or not he does before I prod or afd that article.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I have doubt as to whether this newly-created article on a defunct series that was only played 14 times would withstand WP:GNG analysis as either a traditional rivalry or as a historically significant series. Cbl62 ( talk) 01:02, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Since unduly created rivalry articles are under discussion, is this a "rivalry"?-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Something for those knowledgeable about the history of the sport, perhaps @ Cbl62:, @ ParkH.Davis:. I long wondered "what the &@^# & is a "criss cross" play?" Presumably it happens in the backfield. Saw it referenced multiple times without explanation. Now have figured it out: e. g. here. Similarly, buck is not a term come across much today. So I am thinking, any more obscure plays or play-terms of which we might take note? Cake ( talk) 18:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Congratulations to a fine Alabama Crimson Tide football team on their 116th national championship! How about that onside kick, eh? And a hearty "well played" to the Clemson Tigers, who proved that the ACC still plays Division I FBS football. This public service announcement brought to you by an SEC fan in search of a starting quarterback, preferably one with no history of PED use. SEC Fan ( talk) 05:19, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
The propriety of using the word "winningest", and a related effort to excise the word from Wikipedia, is the subject of a discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#"winningest" in sports articles. As the word is used in articles falling within the scope of this project, editors of this project may wish to participate either for or against the proposed removal. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Now that the season is coming to a close, we have about 300 Current and Future class articles cover the 2015 seasons that need to be re-rated on the assessment scale. Can we get a few people to chip in with that? Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:34, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a variant of Template:Winning percentage that displays both the numerical win-loss record (e.g., "21–7") and the winning percentage in brackets (e.g., "(.750)") immediately following the win-loss record without having to enter the data twice? If such a variant of the template does not exist, does anyone have the coding skills to create one? All of the NFL head coach infoboxes use the winning percentage template, but you have to enter the wins and losses twice -- once as text, and again in the template -- to update the field. Seems kinda silly, and I assume creating the variant would be child's play for an experienced coder. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 06:16, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
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In recent days a few all-time program-specific team navboxes have been created by A Texas Historian and MisterCake:
There are also two similar Georgia Tech navboxes that MisterCake created last year:
We need to discuss these before more of their type are created. My opinion is that these navboxes should be deleted. They denote rather obscure all-time team selections that do not have, nor do them seem to warrant, stand-alone articles. Furthermore, no mention of these all-time teams is made in the main article for the respective programs in question. Are the selections to these teams essential to the identity of the biographical subjects linked in these navboxes? I think not. This class of navboxes strikes me a fancruft and clutter.
What does everyone else think? Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Update: I have nominated these seven navboxes for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:FHSAA's All-Century Team for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 05:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
The templates also have various problems under the WP:NAVBOX criteria, including the absence of an article or list on the specific topic of the navbox in at least three cases. Two of the awards are for the best player in a metropolitan area. Three are for high school underclassmen. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 23:28, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated a series of navboxes related to the NCAA's Silver Anniversary Awards for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:57, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Please take part in a discussion on this at Talk:Big East Conference#"New" vs. "old" Big East for basketball articles. Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk)
New Princeton football season articles, for the years 2000 though 2010, have been created in recent days. A number of the them were initially PROD'd, and 2000 Princeton Tigers football team has been subsequently AfD'd here. Others have have been marked for questionable notability and need for attention. Can we get some input at the AfD and some attenton on these articles? @ Cbl62: this may be up your alley. Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Does Corey Davis meet our notability guidelines at WP:NGRIDIRON? It doesn't seem like it but I could use a second opinion with someone more familiar with the sport. I came across this article indirectly after responding to a different request. Mkdw talk 01:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Iowa Hawkeyes football series records for deletion, interested editors please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iowa Hawkeyes football series records UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 06:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Gang, what do y'all want as a standard in the rivalry articles in terms of 1 or 2 columns? Personally, I think that the compact 2 columns looks better, especially if they are long, but if they are short then a non-compact table would be fine. An editor has been recently going through rivalry articles an removing the 2, compact format. His reason "Compact, 2 cols is not the common standard. The documentation for Template:Sports rivalry series table shows it as Option 4. A search of Wikipedia:WikiProject College football does not show it to be the standard." Yes, it isn't listed as a standard, but it is shown that this what the Project has put it as. Thoughts? ❄ Corkythe hornetfan ❄ 18:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Note: It has been requested that The Summit League be moved to Summit League per WP:THE and WP:COMMONNAME on the article's talk page. Please join the discussion. Thanks! ❄ Corkythe hornetfan ❄ 23:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
FYI--Gang see Wikipedia:Persondata; this template has been deprecated.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Gang, I just restored Tyson Summers and did some quick edits/sourcing--he is now a head coach at Georgia Southern... but the article needs work and I don't have time to address it in any detail. Please pitch in!-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:57, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Is Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award a discontinued award? I can't find anything that is more recent than the 2013 winners, and their official website doesn't load. If it is discontinued, the article should be updated to reflect that. Jrcla2 ( talk) 22:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Florida Gators football, 1990–99 does not use the "away" and "neutral" parameters stating that they are redundant when the stadium and city are specified. Are there any opinions? Fbdave ( talk) 21:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Just a quick note for everyone, I've nominated Ben Crosby at FAC, the second Navy coach I've brought there. And for anyone who cares, it is also a WikiCup nomination. Thanks, - A Texas Historian ( Impromptu collaboration?) 21:42, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated a series of navboxes related to the ESPN RISE high school football awards for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I've been working on the Big 12 Conference articles for some time in a sub-page. And I've run into an issue with the affiliate members. The infobox shows the number of conference members, the Big 12 states that they only have ten members however they also have ten affiliate members. I have the affiliates listed in the infobox with the membership number at twenty. Would this be appropriate with the conference only saying that the have ten members.-- Dcheagle • talk • contribs 07:45, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I just came across List of Texas Longhorns football games again—I've apparently made minor edits to it in the past. I feel like we may have had a similar list for Michigan some years back, created by Cbl62, but we decided to delete it, because it was difficult to have objective inclusion criteria. Am I recalling correctly about the Michigan list? Thoughts about the Texas list? Jweiss11 ( talk) 02:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
The Georgia list is completely redundant to the Georgia season articles, and needs to be deleted or redirected to another appropriate Georgia Bulldogs football article. The Texas article is a list of purported "greatest-ever" games. I don't know what the current status of all the Longhorns season articles may be, but some of this material might-could be incorporated in the seasons. Sadly, it appears that little of the list of purported greatest-ever Longhorns games is sourced. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 16:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Georgia Bulldogs football (all games) for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Is this navbox "consensus national championship" title appropriate: "2004 USC Trojans football—consensus national champions (BCS / Coaches Poll vacated)"? Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 21:56, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
The iron men are one of the sports great stories. Does anybody have a clue the formations Suter ran, or any clever ways to look for such? Cake ( talk) 21:02, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
We've all seen the Sarah McLachlan adds making heartfelt pleas for suffering animals. ... cue music ... This is a heartfelt plea to help the many college football mascots that need your help. Through the efforts of generous volunteers, Wikipedia's "Save the Mascots" campaign was able in 2015 to save such beloved and cuddly creatures as the Golden Gophers, Bruins, Nittany Lions, Razorbacks ( ), and Bulldogs -- creating season articles for every one of their seasons. In recent weeks, through continuing generous support of volunteers like you, we have also now saved the following:
Unfortunately, many other mascots continue to suffer, and only you can help alleviate that suffering. With a few hours or your time, you can help save some of the most beloved mascots of all time, including the likes of the Golden Bears, Ducks ( ), Panthers, Cardinals, Terrapins ( ), Horned Frogs, Buffaloes ( ), Beavers, Gamecocks, Owls, Mustangs ( ), and even though they may not be as cuddly, the Gators, Yellow Jackets, and Wolfpack. Won't you please help? Cbl62 ( talk) 17:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
User:Lizard the Wizard and User:Rybkovich are some fellows new to these parts who have done fine work. Lizard has considerably expanded Billy Cannon and Rybkovich has considerably expanded Pop Warner. Cake ( talk) 16:37, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Talk:Return specialist for discussion. Lizard ( talk) 00:55, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
The 2016 CFP Championship page (specifically the game summary section) reads like it's been written by a dejected Clemson fan. I think the section could use a little more of an unbiased summary for neutral readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mja9678 ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello, I am writing you all inquiring about a Wikipedia page for James Ross III . I was wondering do you all provide pages for college athletes? There would be a lot of information since he first began playing football until now. (Ex. Jr high school, high school etc.) he has played linebacker as a starter for the University of Michigan for 4 years and is currently training for the 2016 NFL draft. I am working on marketing for him before he can hire a true marketing team. Also do you all charge for pages, if so how much?I look forward to hearing back from you soon.
Thank you.
Omni26 ( talk) 17:33, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Hey, guys, I know we have a few folks around here who are interested in lower division football, so I thought I'd throw this out here. While making some updates for new coaching hires, I added Mark Raymond to Template:Williams Ephs football coach navbox. The only "problem" here is that Template:Williams Ephs football coach navbox was formerly an entirely blue-linked template, and it kind of seems like a shame to have to add a redlink onto the end of it! The obvious solution here would be to create an article for coach Mark Raymond. Unfortunately, I don't have much free time available this week, so I thought I'd toss it out here. Anybody game? Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Note: It has been requested that The Sun Conference be moved to Sun Conference per WP:THE and WP:COMMONNAME. Please join the discussion. Thanks! 🍀 Corkythe hornetfan 🍀 02:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Is Graham Hobson and Alexis Hobson somehow the same person? See here. Cake ( talk) 17:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Note: It has been requested that Mississippi State Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs be moved to Mississippi State Bulldogs per WP:COMMONNAME. Please join the discussion. Thanks! 🍀 Corkythe hornetfan 🍀 04:01, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The color scheme on these (eg - Template:Miami RedHawks football coach navbox and Template:Miami RedHawks men's basketball coach navbox) has somehow been changed to grey and white instead of red and white. Does anyone here have the expertise to fix it? Thanks. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Please see the following XfDs that I have just opened:
Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
We could use some more input on the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football series records AfD above. Also two more AfDs on college football topics:
Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:40, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
See discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Infobox guideline for a discussion on the highlights section of player infoboxes. Lizard ( talk) 15:30, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Not directly related to this project, per se, but of tangential interest to some members here as an NCAA Division I athletic director. Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Hartwell. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 11:02, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
We have a backlog of 186 articles from the 2015 season still rated as Current class; see Category:Current-Class college football articles. I've been chipping away at these, but could use some help re-rating these on the quality scale. Many of these articles also still have some or all of their leads written on the present tense, so those need to be revised as well. I'd love to get some help knocking this out in the near future. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:07, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:NCAA Division I FCS National Champion navbox for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:19, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
What does everybody think about the name of this article? I would like to know because I have been placing these articles into their parent cat and this is the only remaining article left in Category:College sports teams in the United States by team not yet moved. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 01:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I have requested a move request here if anybody would like to participate. In addition to the main move request I have proposed, there are other options listed, and feel free to provide your own suggestions as well. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 02:46, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I have proposed some changes to Template:Infobox college coach, specifically removing external links. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:57, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Some programs such as Montana have a full set of season articles. However, in addition to these the program also has pages for teams that never played. An example of this in article form would be 1918 Montana Grizzlies football team, some are redirects such as 1871 Princeton Tigers football team. With one simple step in the season infoboxes (most of which in existing articles I have taken the liberty to do so [8]) These articles in either redirect of article form are pointless, save for some like 1918 Tennessee Volunteers football team. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 02:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree with the assertion that these teams must be evaluated on a case by case basis, here is a non exhaustive list of at least some of these teams LSU: 1918, Princeton 1871, Michigan 1882,Montana: 1918, 1943, 1944, Alabama: 1898, 1918. Georgia: 1917, 1918, Tennessee: 1898, 1917, 1943. The club teams I have found include 1917 Tennessee Volunteers football team, 1918 Tennessee Volunteers football team, and 1943. While on the club teams I would support keeping including 1943 Bama, I have serious reservations listing these teams alongside varsity teams despite the fact that the 43 Tide had several varsity players on that team. To me this is on par with VCU Rams football. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 01:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Jweiss11:, @ Cbl62: @ Lizard the Wizard:, @ Corkythehornetfan:. I have requested that the 43 Bama page move here, and anybody else with any opinions concurring, contrarily or otherwise please comment there. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 04:38, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@
Jweiss11: and others: Something needs to be done with navigation boxes like in the
William McAvoy article. There is simply way too many to not be grouped together. Personally, I'd like to see them grouped like in
this diff. No color is needed since the coaches are at various schools. I don't care if you want to leave the default name Links to related articles
as the title or something like Name coaching positions
, etc.
This article is another example. ☔️ Corkythe
hornetfan 🌺 01:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
In the infobox for Tavon Austin, it has he was an All-Big 12 selection in 2012, but that he also was an All-Big East and Big East Special Teams Player of the Year in 2012. Obviously he couldn't have been an all-conference selection for 2 different conferences, right? WV football's page says the team joined the Big 12 in 2012. Anyone know what the deal is here? This is one of the problems with infoboxes, people just throw stuff in them that aren't cited anywhere in the body. Lizard ( talk) 17:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_23#Alec_Wulff regarding redirects of all of a college team's players to a season article.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:45, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
I am having a debate with @ Kmanblue: on the Kansas Football page, specifically the Former Jayhawks in the pros section and regarding Wide Receiver for the Titans Andrew Turzilli and Dolphins Cornerback Tyler Patmon. Both players spent time at Kansas however did not finish their college careers at Kansas. Neither player is listed on the team roster with Kansas as their college. Kmanblue insists these players need to be listed in this section but I believe since neither lists Kansas as their college they should not be listed. I will mention this discussion on NFL project as well. And to answer your question, yes Kansas plays football too lol.--Rockchalk 717 09:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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1961 Tangerine Bowl was recently created, should there be a Lamar Cardinals bowl game navbox? Jrcla2 ( talk) 16:29, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Input would be appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Do we need to standardize highlights?. Lizard ( talk) 21:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure how we should type this in the infobox. It's generally accepted that "champion" is not a proper noun (despite it being capitalized still in multiple articles) but this one is a head scratcher. I've seen "BCS National Champion," "BCS National champion," and "BCS national champion." I've been favoring the last one but it just doesn't look right. Lizard ( talk) 15:14, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
This AfD could use some eyeballs on it. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Was Horace Butterworth ever an official head coach of basketball or football at the University of Chicago? This edit made me aware that he was affiliated with the school, but I see no records of him in media guides or elsewhere as being an official coach in either sport. @ Cbl62: do you have any sources to verify? Jrcla2 ( talk) 18:05, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
An AfD the subject of which is within the scope of this project has been opened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1934 Michigan State Normal Hurons football team. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Reminder: It's July 1st that means its time to update conference affiliations, if anybody has any idea on all of the lists/pages/cats that need to be updated. I know of a couple that I will be working on. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:37, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at the edit war regarding the need for including David Sills (American football)' scout team performance in his biography.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I am glad to see so many people have considered this player of marginal notability and that the article has gotten cleaned up. Jweiss11, "bad editing and terrible judgement"? Is that the proper summary of my 350,000+ edits? Over time, it has proven to be the case that my youth athletes in basketball have mostly gone on to make the National Basketball Association ( Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor, Mitch McGary, Cliff Alexander, Tyus Jones), be drafted into the NBA ( Tyler Ulis) and/or start on an NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Champion (Jones, Okafor, Jalen Brunson). The book is still out on Tyus Battle and Zak Irvin and not looking good for Kameron Chatman. In football, I have no NFL stories and David Sills (American football) is a bit of a disaster. Yet, I stand behind Randall Cunningham II who is already an NCAA Champion in another sport and don't yet know what to make of George Campbell (American football). However, even my college athlete creations in football have been suspect. I concede that I should tread more carefully in creating young football athletes.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:22, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at the Talk:Cal State Los Angeles Golden Eagles article regarding the name. It is requested that members of this WikiProject comment for more opinions on what the actual name of the article should be. Thanks, Corkythe hornetfan 03:43, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Going on over here. Lizard ( talk) 17:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Please comment here in regards to navboxes in coaches articles. I pinged a few, but I'm sure I forgot many of you! Corkythe hornetfan 19:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Please see here. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 02:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
There has been a new editor who created a page 1997 Nokia Sugar Bowl when there obviously is an existing 1997 Sugar Bowl. There was a merge discussion but not a requested merge. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 02:04, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated the 13 Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame navigational boxes for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 16:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, y'all at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 July 16#Template:Georgia State Panthers bowl game navbox @ Corkythehornetfan: has IMO correctly advocated for the deletion of small bowl game navboxes in the past of former teams that unlikely will ever play in another bowl game and current teams that dont' have the numbers yet, but could potentially play in enough bowl games to warrant navboxes in the future. Would this Project stand behind a three bowl game exception to allow in the Bowls and Rivalries sections of the main program navboxes with the understanding that these will eventually be created, IF the program reaches a sufficient number to mandate its own navbox. An example of one that currently and partially includes this would be Boise State's, this would solve this issue if we set a hard cap. I doubt we will have a Michigan person attempt to include these in the program navbox. (Or just throwing this out there would anybody support merging these navboxes across the board, such as what I have heard of rumblings of merging season navboxes with franchise navboxes in NFL). UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:13, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Aye, I'd support putting the bowl games in the main template if the team has less than 4. But why place them in the rivalries section? Lizard ( talk) 02:38, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I created a few mock-ups here, after I while I just decided to go radical. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I have initiated a move request at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 28#Category:Citrus Bowl (game) champion seasons interested editors are encouraged to participate. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:49, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion in which you may be interested on Infobox support for articles on all-conference teams, see: Category talk:College football all-conference teams#thoughts on Infobox support
Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 21:55, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I have been wondering, does has anybody found word on the missing. This is mainly in reference to DL and Cbl has seemingly taken a break too. I think we need to double the guard on JW. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 01:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion on inclusion of player jersey numbers with team-season navboxes in which you may be interested.
Cheers, UW Dawgs ( talk) 18:14, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
There is a discusion in which you might be interested, at Template talk:Infobox NCAA team season#division string automatically on new line. UW Dawgs ( talk) 17:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
In an appeal to wiser editors, do you think one should separate out the decades, such as in the Big Eight or Big 12 conference champion navbox, or should we leave it be like with the Big Ten or SEC? Help appreciated. The groups for say the Pac 12 make perfect sense, but the lack of clutter might be being sacrificed for something arbitrary in the above cases. Cake ( talk) 16:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Not sure where I got the idea that Parke H. Davis or someone else had Colgate as national champion in 1916, but I did, and so this should be deleted. Cake ( talk) 02:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Any artistic folk perusing wikiproject college football? Only recently I realized the "uniform" parameter for season articles, in e. g. 1957 San Francisco 49ers season. Hopefully I am not only motivating its removal by attempting to provide such for the pre-1933 days of college football. Any help would be much appreciated. For example, there seem to be a few standard types of shirts: the friction stripes (see Grange) and the kind of padded circular wing thingies were popular in the 20s (see Wycoff). Before those the mere striped sleeves were popular (see Wade). There's also the stripe across the chest (see McMillin). People like Scott Sillcox will provide representations of certain teams (though he cannot always be trusted); such as these. Cards and programs might also provide color illustrations as guidelines. There are also a few types of pants. Socks seem even more a part of the uniform than the pants, and can be difficult to make out in black and white photographs. Lastly, the crude leather helmet leaves me with a crude drawing, but I wish a better draftsman would handle it. So, if you can draw, or if you know of photographs or color illustrations to help with any old major college program, let me know. Cake ( talk) 20:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I know there is still some inconsistency with Western Kentucky vs WKU but that pales in comparison to Louisiana–Lafayette vs Lousiana Ragin' Cajuns. What is the WP:Commonname? @ Corkythehornetfan:, and @ Pncomeaux: have been squabbling about this off and on for some time. This is far from the New York Bulls. NOTE: The university uses Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns (in line with other re-brands such as Little Rock Trojans ESPN uses ULL [11] as does Fox, [12] CBS, [13] the Sun Belt Conference [14], and the NCAA [15]. I think the evidence is clear cut, but some WP:CONSENSUS needs to be stated here to mandate precedence. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:51, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Louisiana Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns
Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns
UL LAFAYETTE RAGIN CAJUNS
Here are the facts again:
~A. On the Boise State fan forum, we are clearly referred to and thought as 'louisuana.' http://www.scout.com/college/boise-state/forums/2246-blue-turf-board/14868323-who-s-going-to-the-opener-against-louisiana ~B. During the Minute Maid classic this spring, the team was also listed as such, and the announcers often used that term as well. ~C. These are just a couple of examples to prove that the name is catching on in some quarters....despite what has been stated here.
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Sorry, but I don't agree with the collapsing of these comments. Hiding them away as "spurious discussion" as if they hold little value isn't much different than just deleting them. Valid points were raised here. Lizard ( talk) 20:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Thoughts on Category:Black College Football National Champions navigational boxes and {{ 2015 North Carolina A&T Aggies football navbox}}? I don't think these should exist but am too lazy to nominate for deletion. Jrcla2 ( talk) 22:23, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Tom Danson has requested a move:
An editor has requested that {{subst:linked|Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans}} be moved to {{subst:#if:|{{subst:linked|{{{2}}}}}|another page}}{{subst:#switch: project |user | USER = . Since you had some involvement with 'Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans', you |#default = , which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You}} are invited to participate in [[{{subst:#if:|{{subst:#if:|#{{{section}}}|}}|{{subst:#if:|Talk:Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans#{{{section}}}|{{subst:TALKPAGENAME:Arkansas–Little Rock Trojans}}}}}}|the move discussion]].
Corkythe hornetfan (ping me) 01:41, 29 August 2016 (UTC)