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As you can see I have created this template.
{{Classical_greece_and_rome}}
I think it would be good if people put it on Classics related pages that you come across so that we get more interest in this Project! Feel free to make the template better.
Pjmc 10:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Played around with the stylistic elements trying to get the image better vertically centered (nice choice on the image, by the way). Not too sure I like how far to the right it somehow ended up, but eh. What I wanted to bring up though was if we should use the quality/importance assessment system some other wikiprojects have adopted. It does take a bit more effort in that the quality and importance of the article have to be gauged for the system to be useful, but it seems to find good use with the projects using it, allowing them to quickly sort through and find articles in desperate need of attention. PoptartKing 15:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
First off, yay for the establishment of this WikiProject. Hopefully things go well here. Anyways, I was considering proposing a stub for Ancient Greek biographical articles. Assuming it goes forward, would any others be willing to help go through Category:Greek people stubs and Category:Ancient Greece stubs to restub appropriate articles (and improve them if you are able)? It's rather tedious work, admittedly, but it can help with stub improvement in the long run.- PoptartKing 05:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Template's made at Template:Ancient-Greek-bio-stub. Done with Category:Ancient Greece stubs, still going over Category:Greek people stubs. Help would be greatly appreciated! PoptartKing 11:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Because I know a lot about these topics, and I'd like to help out. Please advise.
Insane99 23:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I too know quite a bit about Classics, as I have a recent degree in it. I would really like to be involved in this project. Let me know how I can be involved. -- User:Pjmc 17:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I would also like to join! I am a classical studies major and know lots of random stuff. And enjoy learning more :) and helping out. should I just sign the list as with the other wikiprojects? - Elizabennet 15:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
What are we going to consider as classical? At the far end, is the archaeology of the shaft graves at Mycenae within our scope? If yes, what about the House of Tiles? and so on, back to where? Franchthi?
Similarly, at the near end, is the fall of Rome in or not? What about Justinian's law codes? Belisarius? The end of New Rome in 1453?
I realise there is no real consensus, and that university courses in classics have been known to cover both Franchthi archaeologically and the fall of Constantiople linguistically (development of the Greek language from Alexander to the fall of Constantinople).
A very limited definition whould have us sprucing up the artiles covering the fifth CBC in Athens and the first CBC in Rome (possibly to the death of Augustus).
Any thoughts? -- 5telios 11:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Since I'm a re-editor of articles such as Pericles, Alcibiades and Demosthenes, I'm wondering if I can add the wiki-project template to these articles. I think they belong to the scope of the poject, although some of them are already watched by other wiki-projects.-- Yannismarou 10:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Could I please call the community's attention to the following discussions: Talk:Homosexuality in ancient Greece and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece. It seems as though a small group of people motivated by a very apparent personal prejudice want to erase all references to homosexual practices in Ancient Greece from Wikipedia. (Citing some sort of conspiracy theory that would have historians 'shame' the ancient Greeks). Please lend your input to the AfD discussion, as well as working to improve the article (which is admittedly not quality). CaveatLector Talk 22:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
...I hope nobody feels I acted too rashly, just revert me if you think I did :) I think the original yellow-on-purple color scheme was a bit hard on the eye, and the very wide image of the Forum looked a bit out of place in a userbox. I changed the colors to something I felt looked a bit more professional and exchanged the image to one with a more-or-less square aspect ratio. I hope you like the change -- Ferkelparade π 14:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I think this project could do with a couple more subpages to organize our work, here's what I have in mind:
I'd go ahead and set up some subpages right now, but I have to go and spend the evening away from my computer...any thoughts on these subpages? -- Ferkelparade π 15:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the ranking of importance for the Phallus article to 'High' once again. I feel as though the symbol of the phallus is a predominant and highly important element of ancient culture. Would anymore mind discussing? CaveatLector Talk 14:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
The article Social class in ancient Rome needs serious attention. I've corrected its worst misapprehensions but it still needs proper sourcing and verification. -- Nicknack009 00:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to say thanks to all who have helped with the project since I started in May. I am finally better and able to type again, so you'll see me here more often.
Thanks again. (^'-')^ Covington 01:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to ask for your help. I have published some photos from archeological sites and museum objects but later discovered that this is contrary to the domestic law in various countries. Please see the request of deletion of images of archaelogical sites and museum objects from Greece I started in the commons: [ [1]]. Could you contribute in this? Does anyone know if there is copyright on archeological discovery, excavation, restoration and exhibition? Is there such thing as royalties stemming from cultural property? Many users deny such questions, arguing that if they accept the domestic laws of states and practices of museums as legitimate, then Wikipedia will be stripped of much of its content. Do you agree? -- Conudrum 23:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
One of the goals of the group is to support any other group with similar or the same goals. Hence, I thought I should notify the members of the group about the creation of the WikiProject History of Greece and kindly ask them to participate and contribute. I believe that the two projects share in some domains the same goals.-- Yannismarou 16:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
See this talk page: Talk:Martian (Roman Emperor)
I get the feeling that this page is a ghost reference based on a single source who was under a misapprehension. Should the article be redirected to Marcian? JulesH 11:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Recently, someone put spoiler tags on the Iliad and Odyssey pages. This seems, on the face of it, absurd to me and to most of the editors discussing the matter at Talk:Iliad#Spoiler warning. Is there a consensus that spoiler tags are inappropriate for works of classical literature? And if not, can we develop one? (I've crossposted this at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning; for the sake of keeping the conversation in one place, let's talk over there.) — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
There's an ongoing dispute/edit war about whether the category Greek pederasty should be included in Alexander the Great. Would anyone care to offer their opinion at Talk:Alexander the Great? --Akhilleus ( talk) 16:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.
The plugin has two main modes of operation:
As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.
For more information see:
Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. -- Kingboyk 12:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Greetings all.
I just discovered your project, much to my delight, and would like to invite anyone here with an interest to take a look at the Classical warfare task force of the Military history WikiProject.
I realize that the interests of the Classical Greece and Rome Wikiproject are broader than the military history of Greece and Rome, but I think there is a lot of potential for inter-project cooperation on some aspects of classical history. - Vedexent 20:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any comments on the current state of the Third Servile War article? It is a fairly obscure little episode in the late history of the Roman Republic, but it (arguably) had far reaching contributing effects to the transition of the Republic into the Empire. - Vedexent 20:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
As I maintain my own, I would suggest you guys put your Greek collaboration onto the Community Portal to show everyone what your current article is. This would boost numbers & get better Greek/Roman articles. Contact me if you need more info... Spawn Man 04:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
As I noted above, there's been a dispute about whether Category:LGBT people from Greece and Category:Greek Pederasty should be in Alexander the Great. Consensus seems to be no, so I've proposed creating the category Category:Homosexuality in ancient Greece and adding it to the article. Obviously, the proposed category would be relevant to many articles covered by this wikiproject. Would people care to express their opinion at Talk:Alexander the Great? Thanks. --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Attila the Hun is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 22:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
There's a dispute on Talk:Odyssey whether Iman Wilkens' book Where Troy Once Stood is a suitable source for Wikipedia. Would anyone care to comment? Thanks. --Akhilleus ( talk) 16:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
There's a sample chapter on the author's website, which is a pretty amusing/horrifying way to kill time. If you check out pages linked to "Iman Wilkens" you'll see that someone has inserted Wilkens' dubious etymologies into a bunch of pages on English geography, which is probably not a good thing. --Akhilleus ( talk) 14:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Andrew, the definition of a reliable source is spelled out by Wikipedia policy. By that definition, there are plenty of reliable sources that discuss the geography of Odysseus' travels; to name a few, Victor Bérard, Les Navigations d'Ulysse, A. and H.-H. Wolf, Die wirkliche Reise des Odysseus, and Alain Ballabriga, Les fictions d'Homere. L'invention mythologique et cosmographique dans l'Odyssee. These works are reliable sources either because they are peer-reviewed works by established classicists, or because, like Berard, who was working before peer review became established practice in the humanities, they are well-established as part of the scholarly conversation. This does not mean that the works are correct, or even widely believed, just that they're works scholars refer to when discussing the issue. In contrast, Wilkens is barely mentioned in academic discourse, and then only as an example of how wrong one can get. I can't see how one can interpret him as a reliable source.
As far as Cailleux goes, I'd be happy to remove him as well. I haven't read Bérard, but my impression is that he'd be a better source than Cailleux for the view that Odysseus' travels can be placed on the map.
By the way, an interesting webpage catalogues modern attempts to map Odysseus' voyage here; the website may not qualify as a reliable source (though it was created by Jonathan Burgess, prof. of classics at U. of Toronto), but the references it supplies could be helpful. There's no question that most academic sources are going to echo Erastosthenes' comment "You will find the scene of the wanderings of Odysseus when you find the cobbler who sewed up the bag of the winds." --Akhilleus ( talk) 20:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Mrwuggs is proposing to merge Counter-Earth and Antichthon together. Previously, it appears he merged both into the Antichthon article. This would be wrong, since the Counter-Earth article is not mainly involved with the Antichthon concept of antiquity. 132.205.44.134 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Alexander the Great is presented in the front page of the project as a FA article. But it is not! As a matter of fact, it is not even GA and recently it failed an A-Class nomination in the Military Group. I think it should be replaced by other FAs which do exist: Epaminondas, Pericles, Aspasia, Thrasybulus could be some choices. Do I have the permission of the members of the project to remove Alexander and replace it with a real FA?-- Yannismarou 10:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Having borrowed a copy of the Panegyrici Latini from the Library, I've had a go at rewriting and referencing the article on the Carausian Revolt. I've tried to do it from first principles, direct from the sources (with occasional reference to Frere for the archaeology), but unfortunately Aurelius Victor and Orosius are only on the web in Latin, I haven't been able to consult translations of either, and my Latin is pretty shaky, so I'd appreciate the input of others. Once we're happy with the article the information can be "rolled out" to the articles on the individuals involved. -- Nicknack009 22:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Can some rated the Cretan War if it is considered in this WP. Kyriakos 08:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this shouls be considered to be taken off the list of stubs. But, maybe not. Please consider.
Know I've majorly boo-booed on this, but could I have some advice, help or even support on this issue? See also my talk page. User|Neddyseagoon 21:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I'm not a member of the project, but would anyone here be available and willing to write the Rome section for the Military history of Italy article? No one seems to have noticed our need for that section and pledged that they will eventually write it. It doesn't need to be done immediately, I just need someone to say that they will help out. Multiple people could of course collaborate on the section as well. Thank you for any help. - KingPenguin 14:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Recently someone moved the gymnasium article to Gymnasium (Ancient Greece). I think the page should be at Gymnasium (ancient Greece), because "ancient" isn't usually capitalized in this phrase. Would anyone care to offer their opinion at Talk:Gymnasium (Ancient Greece)? This issue could pop up on many pages, e.g. Homosexuality in ancient Greece or Art in Ancient Greece. --Akhilleus ( talk) 21:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated Mythical chronology of Greece for deletion. Since this article falls within the scope of the WikiProject, I thought I'd see if anyone wanted to comment; the discussion is here. --Akhilleus ( talk) 15:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
This is currently getting a thorough rewrite, the purpose of which seems to be to add sensuality throughout. Personally, I don't think the result is a good or balanced Wikipedia article, but I'd like to know what others think. Andrew Dalby 09:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Please back a template of mine that could be useful for this project. User|Neddyseagoon 14:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Mark Antony is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 23:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings! I've been wading through the literature stubs and categories. I would like to create a sub-category of ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Classical studies as ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Classical literature or ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Literature of classical antiquity. This would include not only Greek and Latin literature, but Egyptian, Persian, etc. Would this be more appropriate as ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Ancient and classical literature, under ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Literature as a parent category, do you think? Just wondering... Her Pegship 20:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone source this? Looks like a made-up thing to me, as can't find it anywhere in the single cited source (the Aeneid). Neddyseagoon - talk 22:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
As you can see I have created this template.
{{Classical_greece_and_rome}}
I think it would be good if people put it on Classics related pages that you come across so that we get more interest in this Project! Feel free to make the template better.
Pjmc 10:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Played around with the stylistic elements trying to get the image better vertically centered (nice choice on the image, by the way). Not too sure I like how far to the right it somehow ended up, but eh. What I wanted to bring up though was if we should use the quality/importance assessment system some other wikiprojects have adopted. It does take a bit more effort in that the quality and importance of the article have to be gauged for the system to be useful, but it seems to find good use with the projects using it, allowing them to quickly sort through and find articles in desperate need of attention. PoptartKing 15:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
First off, yay for the establishment of this WikiProject. Hopefully things go well here. Anyways, I was considering proposing a stub for Ancient Greek biographical articles. Assuming it goes forward, would any others be willing to help go through Category:Greek people stubs and Category:Ancient Greece stubs to restub appropriate articles (and improve them if you are able)? It's rather tedious work, admittedly, but it can help with stub improvement in the long run.- PoptartKing 05:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Template's made at Template:Ancient-Greek-bio-stub. Done with Category:Ancient Greece stubs, still going over Category:Greek people stubs. Help would be greatly appreciated! PoptartKing 11:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Because I know a lot about these topics, and I'd like to help out. Please advise.
Insane99 23:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I too know quite a bit about Classics, as I have a recent degree in it. I would really like to be involved in this project. Let me know how I can be involved. -- User:Pjmc 17:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I would also like to join! I am a classical studies major and know lots of random stuff. And enjoy learning more :) and helping out. should I just sign the list as with the other wikiprojects? - Elizabennet 15:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
What are we going to consider as classical? At the far end, is the archaeology of the shaft graves at Mycenae within our scope? If yes, what about the House of Tiles? and so on, back to where? Franchthi?
Similarly, at the near end, is the fall of Rome in or not? What about Justinian's law codes? Belisarius? The end of New Rome in 1453?
I realise there is no real consensus, and that university courses in classics have been known to cover both Franchthi archaeologically and the fall of Constantiople linguistically (development of the Greek language from Alexander to the fall of Constantinople).
A very limited definition whould have us sprucing up the artiles covering the fifth CBC in Athens and the first CBC in Rome (possibly to the death of Augustus).
Any thoughts? -- 5telios 11:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Since I'm a re-editor of articles such as Pericles, Alcibiades and Demosthenes, I'm wondering if I can add the wiki-project template to these articles. I think they belong to the scope of the poject, although some of them are already watched by other wiki-projects.-- Yannismarou 10:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Could I please call the community's attention to the following discussions: Talk:Homosexuality in ancient Greece and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece. It seems as though a small group of people motivated by a very apparent personal prejudice want to erase all references to homosexual practices in Ancient Greece from Wikipedia. (Citing some sort of conspiracy theory that would have historians 'shame' the ancient Greeks). Please lend your input to the AfD discussion, as well as working to improve the article (which is admittedly not quality). CaveatLector Talk 22:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
...I hope nobody feels I acted too rashly, just revert me if you think I did :) I think the original yellow-on-purple color scheme was a bit hard on the eye, and the very wide image of the Forum looked a bit out of place in a userbox. I changed the colors to something I felt looked a bit more professional and exchanged the image to one with a more-or-less square aspect ratio. I hope you like the change -- Ferkelparade π 14:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I think this project could do with a couple more subpages to organize our work, here's what I have in mind:
I'd go ahead and set up some subpages right now, but I have to go and spend the evening away from my computer...any thoughts on these subpages? -- Ferkelparade π 15:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the ranking of importance for the Phallus article to 'High' once again. I feel as though the symbol of the phallus is a predominant and highly important element of ancient culture. Would anymore mind discussing? CaveatLector Talk 14:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
The article Social class in ancient Rome needs serious attention. I've corrected its worst misapprehensions but it still needs proper sourcing and verification. -- Nicknack009 00:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to say thanks to all who have helped with the project since I started in May. I am finally better and able to type again, so you'll see me here more often.
Thanks again. (^'-')^ Covington 01:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to ask for your help. I have published some photos from archeological sites and museum objects but later discovered that this is contrary to the domestic law in various countries. Please see the request of deletion of images of archaelogical sites and museum objects from Greece I started in the commons: [ [1]]. Could you contribute in this? Does anyone know if there is copyright on archeological discovery, excavation, restoration and exhibition? Is there such thing as royalties stemming from cultural property? Many users deny such questions, arguing that if they accept the domestic laws of states and practices of museums as legitimate, then Wikipedia will be stripped of much of its content. Do you agree? -- Conudrum 23:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
One of the goals of the group is to support any other group with similar or the same goals. Hence, I thought I should notify the members of the group about the creation of the WikiProject History of Greece and kindly ask them to participate and contribute. I believe that the two projects share in some domains the same goals.-- Yannismarou 16:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
See this talk page: Talk:Martian (Roman Emperor)
I get the feeling that this page is a ghost reference based on a single source who was under a misapprehension. Should the article be redirected to Marcian? JulesH 11:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Recently, someone put spoiler tags on the Iliad and Odyssey pages. This seems, on the face of it, absurd to me and to most of the editors discussing the matter at Talk:Iliad#Spoiler warning. Is there a consensus that spoiler tags are inappropriate for works of classical literature? And if not, can we develop one? (I've crossposted this at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning; for the sake of keeping the conversation in one place, let's talk over there.) — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
There's an ongoing dispute/edit war about whether the category Greek pederasty should be included in Alexander the Great. Would anyone care to offer their opinion at Talk:Alexander the Great? --Akhilleus ( talk) 16:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.
The plugin has two main modes of operation:
As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.
For more information see:
Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. -- Kingboyk 12:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Greetings all.
I just discovered your project, much to my delight, and would like to invite anyone here with an interest to take a look at the Classical warfare task force of the Military history WikiProject.
I realize that the interests of the Classical Greece and Rome Wikiproject are broader than the military history of Greece and Rome, but I think there is a lot of potential for inter-project cooperation on some aspects of classical history. - Vedexent 20:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any comments on the current state of the Third Servile War article? It is a fairly obscure little episode in the late history of the Roman Republic, but it (arguably) had far reaching contributing effects to the transition of the Republic into the Empire. - Vedexent 20:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
As I maintain my own, I would suggest you guys put your Greek collaboration onto the Community Portal to show everyone what your current article is. This would boost numbers & get better Greek/Roman articles. Contact me if you need more info... Spawn Man 04:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
As I noted above, there's been a dispute about whether Category:LGBT people from Greece and Category:Greek Pederasty should be in Alexander the Great. Consensus seems to be no, so I've proposed creating the category Category:Homosexuality in ancient Greece and adding it to the article. Obviously, the proposed category would be relevant to many articles covered by this wikiproject. Would people care to express their opinion at Talk:Alexander the Great? Thanks. --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Attila the Hun is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 22:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
There's a dispute on Talk:Odyssey whether Iman Wilkens' book Where Troy Once Stood is a suitable source for Wikipedia. Would anyone care to comment? Thanks. --Akhilleus ( talk) 16:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
There's a sample chapter on the author's website, which is a pretty amusing/horrifying way to kill time. If you check out pages linked to "Iman Wilkens" you'll see that someone has inserted Wilkens' dubious etymologies into a bunch of pages on English geography, which is probably not a good thing. --Akhilleus ( talk) 14:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Andrew, the definition of a reliable source is spelled out by Wikipedia policy. By that definition, there are plenty of reliable sources that discuss the geography of Odysseus' travels; to name a few, Victor Bérard, Les Navigations d'Ulysse, A. and H.-H. Wolf, Die wirkliche Reise des Odysseus, and Alain Ballabriga, Les fictions d'Homere. L'invention mythologique et cosmographique dans l'Odyssee. These works are reliable sources either because they are peer-reviewed works by established classicists, or because, like Berard, who was working before peer review became established practice in the humanities, they are well-established as part of the scholarly conversation. This does not mean that the works are correct, or even widely believed, just that they're works scholars refer to when discussing the issue. In contrast, Wilkens is barely mentioned in academic discourse, and then only as an example of how wrong one can get. I can't see how one can interpret him as a reliable source.
As far as Cailleux goes, I'd be happy to remove him as well. I haven't read Bérard, but my impression is that he'd be a better source than Cailleux for the view that Odysseus' travels can be placed on the map.
By the way, an interesting webpage catalogues modern attempts to map Odysseus' voyage here; the website may not qualify as a reliable source (though it was created by Jonathan Burgess, prof. of classics at U. of Toronto), but the references it supplies could be helpful. There's no question that most academic sources are going to echo Erastosthenes' comment "You will find the scene of the wanderings of Odysseus when you find the cobbler who sewed up the bag of the winds." --Akhilleus ( talk) 20:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Mrwuggs is proposing to merge Counter-Earth and Antichthon together. Previously, it appears he merged both into the Antichthon article. This would be wrong, since the Counter-Earth article is not mainly involved with the Antichthon concept of antiquity. 132.205.44.134 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Alexander the Great is presented in the front page of the project as a FA article. But it is not! As a matter of fact, it is not even GA and recently it failed an A-Class nomination in the Military Group. I think it should be replaced by other FAs which do exist: Epaminondas, Pericles, Aspasia, Thrasybulus could be some choices. Do I have the permission of the members of the project to remove Alexander and replace it with a real FA?-- Yannismarou 10:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Having borrowed a copy of the Panegyrici Latini from the Library, I've had a go at rewriting and referencing the article on the Carausian Revolt. I've tried to do it from first principles, direct from the sources (with occasional reference to Frere for the archaeology), but unfortunately Aurelius Victor and Orosius are only on the web in Latin, I haven't been able to consult translations of either, and my Latin is pretty shaky, so I'd appreciate the input of others. Once we're happy with the article the information can be "rolled out" to the articles on the individuals involved. -- Nicknack009 22:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Can some rated the Cretan War if it is considered in this WP. Kyriakos 08:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this shouls be considered to be taken off the list of stubs. But, maybe not. Please consider.
Know I've majorly boo-booed on this, but could I have some advice, help or even support on this issue? See also my talk page. User|Neddyseagoon 21:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I'm not a member of the project, but would anyone here be available and willing to write the Rome section for the Military history of Italy article? No one seems to have noticed our need for that section and pledged that they will eventually write it. It doesn't need to be done immediately, I just need someone to say that they will help out. Multiple people could of course collaborate on the section as well. Thank you for any help. - KingPenguin 14:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Recently someone moved the gymnasium article to Gymnasium (Ancient Greece). I think the page should be at Gymnasium (ancient Greece), because "ancient" isn't usually capitalized in this phrase. Would anyone care to offer their opinion at Talk:Gymnasium (Ancient Greece)? This issue could pop up on many pages, e.g. Homosexuality in ancient Greece or Art in Ancient Greece. --Akhilleus ( talk) 21:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated Mythical chronology of Greece for deletion. Since this article falls within the scope of the WikiProject, I thought I'd see if anyone wanted to comment; the discussion is here. --Akhilleus ( talk) 15:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
This is currently getting a thorough rewrite, the purpose of which seems to be to add sensuality throughout. Personally, I don't think the result is a good or balanced Wikipedia article, but I'd like to know what others think. Andrew Dalby 09:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Please back a template of mine that could be useful for this project. User|Neddyseagoon 14:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Mark Antony is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 23:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings! I've been wading through the literature stubs and categories. I would like to create a sub-category of ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Classical studies as ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Classical literature or ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Literature of classical antiquity. This would include not only Greek and Latin literature, but Egyptian, Persian, etc. Would this be more appropriate as ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Ancient and classical literature, under ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Literature as a parent category, do you think? Just wondering... Her Pegship 20:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone source this? Looks like a made-up thing to me, as can't find it anywhere in the single cited source (the Aeneid). Neddyseagoon - talk 22:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)