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When I found that the article: Syrian Malabar Nasrani is with a partisan view on the early socio-ethnic and cultural attributes of Syrian Christians in Kerala, I tried to introduce some space for neglected side. But the result is an edit-war. My view is that St.Thomas (or his disciple) could have probably evangelized both local people and Jewish people in the 1st century. I have introduced many reliable sources suggesting my view. Since it is not a scientific theory, the traditional beliefs of the concerned community could be given sufficient space until it is proved wrong. "All are Jews" view is nether acceptable nor proved. I request your good self to clean up the article. User:Ashleypt --10:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I have to say that User:Ashleypt is not accurate when he says that there is only one editor with whom he is involved in a dispute. There are other users as well who have reverted his POV edits. Please see the history of the article [ [1]] Other editors involved include User:SpacemanSpiff and a user without an account 117.201.250.33
Ashleypt has been deleting references and adding his own ideas and now incorrectly stating that there is only one editor with whom he is involved in a dispute. He has further stated there is no proof yet about Nasrani descent. However I should state that the latest in research concerning Kerala Malabar Nasrani heritage proves Jewish origin as long hypothesized. For latest research on Nasrani heritage and Jewish descent. Please refer to research by Dr Mini Kariappa, of Department of Anatomy, Jubilee Mission Medical College, Thrissur. Dr Mini Kariappa has done DNA analysis of syrian malabar nasranis and found evidence of Jewish descent amongst the Nasranis. She presented her reserach on september 5th 2011. There was a link of her interview in the malayalam language that was published in a malayalam language newspaper in Kerala. Here is the link http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/malayalamContentView.do?contentId=10033956&programId=1073753770&channelId=-1073751706&BV_ID=@@@&tabId=11
Ashleypt is trying to promote a casteist idea of nationalist supremacy that aspires to assume a 'supposed' superiority of the supposed elite 'Brahmin' hierarchical casteist society by trying to state that the Nasranis are brahmins. I should remind you that the Malabar Nasranis were persecuted in the Portuguese analogue of the Spanish inquisition known as the Portuguese Inquisition with the Portuguese burning hundreds of Syriac documents. Kindly see to it that Wikipedia does not become a platform where people propagate age old casteist ideas. Ashleypt does not give any support for stating the legends of brahmin descent saying that these are long held ideas. Denying and even brushing aside the latest DNA results. The latest DNA result shows the admixture of Jewish diaspora and local keralite society within the Malabar Nasranis. Which has always been stated in the article. In fact he distorts the admixture with local people as admixture with Brahmin, which is incorrect and at the root of the problem. Again to repeat. The article has always maintained that the Syrian Malabar Nasranis are an admixture of local South Indian Malabar people and the Jewish people just as latest DNA results support. However Ashleypt is in the attempt to remove the mention of local admixture and make it seem as brahmin. Ashleypt is not concerned or interested about the admixture of Jewish diaspora with the local keralite society within the Malabar Nasranis. Instead his real interest is the supposed 'Brahmin superiority'. Ashleypt is introducing pov to the page Syrian Malabar Nasrani and started an edit war. Several editors have reverted his edits yet he insists on adding those pov. He does not sign his talk and edits pages without logging into his account. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 13:42, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
-- Ashleypt ( talk) 15:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Please, Mr Ashleypt the anonymous IP 117.201.250.33 is not mine. Besides that User:SpacemanSpiff indeed reverted POV edits by Ashleypt on 22nd September 2011. Please check the log of the article Syrian Malabar Nasrani timed 16:22 of 22nd September 2011. Also why would you say Dr. Mini Kariappa's research is not valid. She is a researcher at the Department of Anatomy, Jubilee Mission Medical College, Thrissur, Kerala, India and her research gives evidence of Jewish heritage among the Malabar Nasranis. All research is original by some scientist or the other. What makes them credible is the presentation and publication of the study of the research in a scientific conference and publication of the study in a peer reviewed research journal. Dr. Mini Kariappa has presented her work to the syrian malabar Nasrani community in the presence of clergy on the 5th of September 2011 as reported in the sunday issue (11th September 2011) of The Malayalam Manorama newspaper of kerala, India. She would soon be presenting and publishing the details of her works. Robin klein ( talk) 15:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I humbly request Mr.Robin klein to convey what his exact ideological contention is, since the idea of admixture of Jewish and local genes is better explained in the modified version of the article. -- Ashleypt ( talk) 10:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
-- Ashleypt ( talk) 13:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC) -- Ashleypt ( talk) 13:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Till now, we believed photons the fastest in universe. It was proved by none else, but Einstein. Now CERN claims Neutrinos are faster than photons. In such conditions, how we could believe any research in the 1st shot? I admit there is some confusion over the genetic lineage of Syrian Christians, and needs more research. So is the case with the definition of term "Mappila". That's why I prefer the merging of different projects on this subject. Let the truth come out. Till then, it's quite genuine to believe that our ancestors didn't lie. Such issues are there with many other castes/races like Nair, Namboothiri or aryan, dravidian etc. But they all stick to their traditions and proud in it even though many of their beliefs are not supported by other people. History is always like that and will remain uncertain against Einstein's belief: "God will not play dice with universe"
-- Ashleypt ( talk) 13:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi.Can you tell me that Aleister Crowley article why belong to the WikiProject Christianity? Aleister Crowley was the most considerable Satanist of the 20. century. Nmate ( talk • contribs) —Preceding comment was added at 11:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a curiosity. Why are there so many "Creation Myths" attached to the "Christianity Project" wikipage? I could understand the "Literal" versus "Gap Therory" etc, but what do all the other Creation stories have to do with Christianity.
If one wants so demonstrate some universiality, as in the flood stories that move through cross culturally, then that might well be a sub-link on the Christian Creation page.
-- Bibleguyjeff ( talk) 23:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Bibleguyjeff
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When I found that the article: Syrian Malabar Nasrani is with a partisan view on the early socio-ethnic and cultural attributes of Syrian Christians in Kerala, I tried to introduce some space for neglected side. But the result is an edit-war. My view is that St.Thomas (or his disciple) could have probably evangelized both local people and Jewish people in the 1st century. I have introduced many reliable sources suggesting my view. Since it is not a scientific theory, the traditional beliefs of the concerned community could be given sufficient space until it is proved wrong. "All are Jews" view is nether acceptable nor proved. I request your good self to clean up the article. User:Ashleypt --10:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I have to say that User:Ashleypt is not accurate when he says that there is only one editor with whom he is involved in a dispute. There are other users as well who have reverted his POV edits. Please see the history of the article [ [1]] Other editors involved include User:SpacemanSpiff and a user without an account 117.201.250.33
Ashleypt has been deleting references and adding his own ideas and now incorrectly stating that there is only one editor with whom he is involved in a dispute. He has further stated there is no proof yet about Nasrani descent. However I should state that the latest in research concerning Kerala Malabar Nasrani heritage proves Jewish origin as long hypothesized. For latest research on Nasrani heritage and Jewish descent. Please refer to research by Dr Mini Kariappa, of Department of Anatomy, Jubilee Mission Medical College, Thrissur. Dr Mini Kariappa has done DNA analysis of syrian malabar nasranis and found evidence of Jewish descent amongst the Nasranis. She presented her reserach on september 5th 2011. There was a link of her interview in the malayalam language that was published in a malayalam language newspaper in Kerala. Here is the link http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/malayalamContentView.do?contentId=10033956&programId=1073753770&channelId=-1073751706&BV_ID=@@@&tabId=11
Ashleypt is trying to promote a casteist idea of nationalist supremacy that aspires to assume a 'supposed' superiority of the supposed elite 'Brahmin' hierarchical casteist society by trying to state that the Nasranis are brahmins. I should remind you that the Malabar Nasranis were persecuted in the Portuguese analogue of the Spanish inquisition known as the Portuguese Inquisition with the Portuguese burning hundreds of Syriac documents. Kindly see to it that Wikipedia does not become a platform where people propagate age old casteist ideas. Ashleypt does not give any support for stating the legends of brahmin descent saying that these are long held ideas. Denying and even brushing aside the latest DNA results. The latest DNA result shows the admixture of Jewish diaspora and local keralite society within the Malabar Nasranis. Which has always been stated in the article. In fact he distorts the admixture with local people as admixture with Brahmin, which is incorrect and at the root of the problem. Again to repeat. The article has always maintained that the Syrian Malabar Nasranis are an admixture of local South Indian Malabar people and the Jewish people just as latest DNA results support. However Ashleypt is in the attempt to remove the mention of local admixture and make it seem as brahmin. Ashleypt is not concerned or interested about the admixture of Jewish diaspora with the local keralite society within the Malabar Nasranis. Instead his real interest is the supposed 'Brahmin superiority'. Ashleypt is introducing pov to the page Syrian Malabar Nasrani and started an edit war. Several editors have reverted his edits yet he insists on adding those pov. He does not sign his talk and edits pages without logging into his account. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 13:42, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
-- Ashleypt ( talk) 15:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Please, Mr Ashleypt the anonymous IP 117.201.250.33 is not mine. Besides that User:SpacemanSpiff indeed reverted POV edits by Ashleypt on 22nd September 2011. Please check the log of the article Syrian Malabar Nasrani timed 16:22 of 22nd September 2011. Also why would you say Dr. Mini Kariappa's research is not valid. She is a researcher at the Department of Anatomy, Jubilee Mission Medical College, Thrissur, Kerala, India and her research gives evidence of Jewish heritage among the Malabar Nasranis. All research is original by some scientist or the other. What makes them credible is the presentation and publication of the study of the research in a scientific conference and publication of the study in a peer reviewed research journal. Dr. Mini Kariappa has presented her work to the syrian malabar Nasrani community in the presence of clergy on the 5th of September 2011 as reported in the sunday issue (11th September 2011) of The Malayalam Manorama newspaper of kerala, India. She would soon be presenting and publishing the details of her works. Robin klein ( talk) 15:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I humbly request Mr.Robin klein to convey what his exact ideological contention is, since the idea of admixture of Jewish and local genes is better explained in the modified version of the article. -- Ashleypt ( talk) 10:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
-- Ashleypt ( talk) 13:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC) -- Ashleypt ( talk) 13:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Till now, we believed photons the fastest in universe. It was proved by none else, but Einstein. Now CERN claims Neutrinos are faster than photons. In such conditions, how we could believe any research in the 1st shot? I admit there is some confusion over the genetic lineage of Syrian Christians, and needs more research. So is the case with the definition of term "Mappila". That's why I prefer the merging of different projects on this subject. Let the truth come out. Till then, it's quite genuine to believe that our ancestors didn't lie. Such issues are there with many other castes/races like Nair, Namboothiri or aryan, dravidian etc. But they all stick to their traditions and proud in it even though many of their beliefs are not supported by other people. History is always like that and will remain uncertain against Einstein's belief: "God will not play dice with universe"
-- Ashleypt ( talk) 13:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi.Can you tell me that Aleister Crowley article why belong to the WikiProject Christianity? Aleister Crowley was the most considerable Satanist of the 20. century. Nmate ( talk • contribs) —Preceding comment was added at 11:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a curiosity. Why are there so many "Creation Myths" attached to the "Christianity Project" wikipage? I could understand the "Literal" versus "Gap Therory" etc, but what do all the other Creation stories have to do with Christianity.
If one wants so demonstrate some universiality, as in the flood stories that move through cross culturally, then that might well be a sub-link on the Christian Creation page.
-- Bibleguyjeff ( talk) 23:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Bibleguyjeff