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The userbox is still pointing to the old project name. Is it just a move? Benjwong ( talk) 05:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking around, but I still haven't figured out how to rename categories (i.e. Category:WikiProject_Modern_Chinese_music to Category:WikiProject_Chinese-language_entertainment). If someone could figure that out, it'd be awesome. Here are some pages to get started: Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). Skyezx ( talk) 20:36, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I'd like to move Vanness Wu to "Van Ness Wu," as this is how his name is spelled on all official sites. Discussion/objections? Thanks!! -- Hamuhamu ( talk) 05:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I was trying to tag an article when I realize the tag is {{CPOP}}. The template name is Template:CEnt but you cannot actually use the tag WP:CENT since it goes to "Wikipedia:Centralized discussion". Shouldn't we try to come up with a new tag? This is quite confusing. Benjwong ( talk) 01:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
{{CEnt}} works fine (re: Talk:Ron Ng). Though yeah... CEnt is easily confused with WP:CENT. I don't know. I'm neutral on the matter. I also looked at AWB, but it looks so confusing... and I don't have enough edits to qualify. haha. Skyezx ( talk) 03:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
So it it WPCLE now? Should we update the front page? Dengero ( talk) 01:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of putting "Album" class on some of the album articles, and letting WP:ALBUMS assess it, but then some albums eventually do become FAs, so I'm just wondering what you guys think. Same thing with "(Record) Label" class.
Also, we're probably going to have to devise new assessing criteria, cause a lot of the High-Mid-Low's were based solely on singing, and not acting (which is why Jackie Chan is Mid/Low, and not High. I mean, under WP:CLE, he's definitely a High.) Pandacomics ( talk) 15:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone go to the teresa Carpio page and see whether the first name is in capital or lower case? My browser is saying teresa is in lower case. When I try to move the article to upper case name, it said it is identical. But it is not?! Benjwong ( talk) 04:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Since this place seems active and users are good about responding to queries, I'll ask: would anyone mind looking over an article I expanded on Daniel Wu? I'm new to editing Wikipedia and it's been years since I really did any writing, and I'd really like more experienced eyes to look at it. It hasn't been assessed since it was a stub. I'm particularly wondering about tense shifts. No big hurry! Thanks for your consideration! -- Hamuhamu ( talk) 05:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to mass move with AWB so that any article currently tagged with {{CEnt and {{Cpop will move to {{WPCLE. Notice how I didn't close the brackets because some have different fields to follow. AWB does not seem to let me edit on the talk pages? Anyone know how to make this simple? Or does someone want to run down the list? Benjwong ( talk) 06:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Do you guys think it may be necessary to revise the external links and reliable sources blurb on the project's main page? Sites like http://tvb.windy-goddess.net/?page_id=2 and http://virtuesofharmony.net/blog/?page_id=2, while entertaining, are run by fans/undergrads and seem a lot like blogs/personal web pages. Official blogs like http://blog.tvb.com/raymondlam/ are undoubtedly acceptable, but I'm kinda iffy on those previously mentioned. What do you guys think? And what other examples are there of acceptable sites? I guess it's not a big deal until we promote articles to GA or FA. Skyezx ( talk) 08:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Those red packet pictures for articles like Roger Kwok are all deleted?? Anyone noticed? Benjwong ( talk) 18:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Was doing some online research and ran across this story on CRI English, which I thought was a legit source. It says "Asianfanatics.net" and "Source: World Journal." I...don't get it. Can anyone help sort this out for me? Thanks! -- Hamuhamu ( talk) 21:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Is Kenji Wu really not considered a mandopop singer? Benjwong ( talk) 06:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyone know how to get info about album releases in China? Thanks~ -- hamu♥hamu ( talk) 12:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello! Could anyone provide a romanization of the name 欧陽菲菲 for me? She is a Taiwanese singer who had a hit called "Love is Over" 24 years ago, and she was the first (and until recently, only) foreign Asian artist to have two #1 singles on the Oricon weekly charts. Thanks so much! -- hamu♥hamu ( TALK) 19:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello all! I've been working as part of WikiProject Comics to get their "World Comics" working group off the ground. We've been revamping categories and trying to pave the way for coordinated work on non-American, non-European comics, which don't seem to receive a lot of attention in their "regional" WikiProjects. My focus has been on getting some infrastructure in place for Korean and Chinese-language comics, and we're making progress. If you have any interest in manhua or know an editor who does, or just want to see what we're up to, feel free to venture over and take a look. A lot of the action is on the talk page right now, hashing out logistics, and we'd value your perspectives on any aspect of the project. (One day I'll get back to my Chinese actors work!) -- hamu♥hamu ( TALK) 00:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to GA the Anita Mui article. I just realised we have no rule on what to do with tables. Do I have to create a discography page after X number of albums? Also would that basically mean I can just dump the albums and movies into the discography/filmography page? Has anyone tried GAing that Daniel Wu page? I looked at the Jay Chou page. In comparison I know I cannot write that many paragraphs about Anita Mui albums. Benjwong ( talk) 06:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Someone has been going around adding the "Canto name suffix" to a lot of artists. Should we keep the CNS in any form (bolded part of lead, birth name, etc.) or should we just do away with it, and put the Cantonese name as the birth name?
Example: Andy Lau. Do we place his infobox name as just Andy Lau, or Andy Lau Tak-Wah? If the former, do we place "Lau Tak-wah" as his birth name then? Pandacomics ( talk) 02:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
And by these six letters, I refer to Mr. Lee-Hom Wang. FrankRizzo has been unilaterally moving things to WLH, but the reason I'm posting this notice here is because it raises an interesting point. Should it be LHW, or WLH?
I'm in favour of LHW because of the following:
"The encyclopedia should reference the name more familiar to most English readers. For most historical figures this means that the encyclopedia entry should reference the Chinese name (romanized in Hanyu pinyin) rather than the English name, with a redirect from the English name. However, there are exceptions for figures whose English name is more familiar (such as Confucius) and for figures who were raised in non-Chinese societies and whose Chinese names are unfamiliar (such as Vera Wang and Maya Lin)." (from WP:CHINA)
Now, Mr. Wang was raised in Rochester, so I'd say he fits the non-Chinese societies rule, but Frankrizzo's point (also valid) is that Asian last names should be listed first (e.g. Wu Chun, Zhao Wei). Like Mr. Wu, "Lee-Hom" isn't exactly an English name, and his birth name, Alexander, is rarely used. At the same time, Lee-Hom isn't a traditional romanization of any kind, so it'd fall under WP:CHINA's "unusual romanizations" rule. Anyway, just wanted to know what you guys thought. (Also, should we move Zhao Wei to Vicky Zhao?) Pandacomics ( talk) 17:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
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I wanna start adding 25 second clips to artists' pages. Anyone teach me how? The billion wiki policies confused me more than finding my solution LOL. Dengero ( talk) 12:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I want to invite quite a few people to our project, how about we create a invitation template? I would if I knew how to create one =/ anyone? ^^ Dengero ( talk) 11:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I have used the source http://www.batgwa.com on some minor verification. Does anyone have any objections to using this source? Benjwong ( talk) 05:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok I tried GAing the Anita Mui article and I am not sure I can expand anymore on it. In fact I am not so sure I can expand articles to the length of like Jay Chou articles. Maybe I should just focus on getting articles to B-class/almost GA, and stop at that point. Benjwong ( talk) 06:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so I've been working on an FL candidate, but given the convoluted nature of cpop awards (e.g. 2006 Sprite Awards being in January 2007), which year should we list in the table? The year listed in that year's edition (i.e. 2006 Sprite Awards = 2006, despite being held in 2007), or the year that the show actually occurs in (i.e. 2006 Sprite Awards = 2007 because it was held in January 2007)? If you take a look at the List of S.H.E awards, the pro for option #2 is that there's some form of consistency, but you hit an awkward snag when two consecutive editions of the awards ceremony occur within the same calendar year (see RTHK awards section). Personally, I'm all for option #2, but I just want to see what you guys think. Pandacomics ( talk) 22:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
We have a rather misguided user in our midst, by the name of User:E intelligence. Apparently this is what he calls "removing" bias. I've placed a number of helpers on his talk page, but it seems he still doesn't really get it. Just an article to possibly keep an eye on. (And if you can help him/her out, please do.) Pandacomics ( talk) 03:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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Certified.Gangsta raised a point about how "Chinese actor and singer" is POV, so I somewhat jokingly suggested a longer, more politically correct name. Looks like I'll have to watch myself more often from now on. However, I hate political drama on Wiki, and for something fun like Cpop artists' articles, why do we have to settle for any drama? In any case, what do you think about "CTSM" or "CTHK singer and actor"? If this ends up being a name as politically satisfying as possible, and will get the fewest number of people yelling at us, I'm all for it. But what do you guys think? Pandacomics ( talk) 06:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
User_talk:Certified.Gangsta#infobox for full length discussion. I highly doubt this is a neutral forum. The best way to achieve NPOV, in this case, is to create separate but equal userboxes for Taiwanese actor and singer, Chinese actor and singer, Singaporean actor and singer, and Malaysian actor and singer.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 07:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
How on earth is "chinese" offensive? Just because chinese is accociated with China rather than Taiwan/Malaysia/Hong Kong? The I feel offended because you're saying English. I'm Australian thankyou very much. Dengero ( talk) 05:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Denegro, you fail to understand the concept of NPOV. Resorting to low-quality ad hominem will not help your cause. Unilateral action is also not conductive to harmonious editing.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 07:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
When user:Certified.Gangsta renamed the template page, he left the documentation page in place, so now the template page IS BROKEN. The documentation is missing and the documentation notice says "create". Template:Infobox Chinese actor and singer/doc should be "/doc"d to the actual template name. 70.55.86.69 ( talk) 09:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
A very short explaination in my own words (correct me if I'm wrong), The user Certified.Gangsta wants to change the the Template "chinese actor and singer" into "Chinese,Taiwanese,Singaporean,Malaysian actor and singer" because "chinese" by itself is POV. Personally, I think this is too trival because in that sense, we have to create infoboxes for the tens of countries who speak "english" into "American, Australian, Canadian etc etc etc...". For more info see per above discussion. Dengero ( talk) 08:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
So you heard one side of the story, now the other. Me and Pandamics had some thoughtful, constructive, enlightening discussion in User_talk:Certified.Gangsta#infobox when I took issue with the title of the userbox. He suggested I move the template to the current name "Chinese, Taiwanese, Singaporean, Malaysian actor and singer". I complied then he said he regret making that suggestion and raised the issue on this forum. Now, I don't really consider this a neutral place to discuss especially since many have a lot of nationalistic feelings here, but nevertheless I tried to participate. Denegro then started to unilaterally revert the userboxes even though discussion was still underway. That's all I gotta say.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 08:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
At this point, I'd wait for the RFC. I hope you guys will remain civil until then. Hopefully, we can work something out through consensus and a fresh perspective. – Skyezx // msg 08:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
[6] [7] are considered WP:CANVASS. Canvassing is not the right way to further your agenda.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 10:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
From what I'm seeing, you tried to gain the upper hand in a discussion by recruiting people who have similar opinions as you do to join the discussion in order to create a "crowd" atmosphere. WP:CANVASS, an official policy, states that canvassing is sending messages to multiple Wikipedians with the intent to inform them about a community discussion. Messages that are written to influence the outcome rather than to improve the quality of a discussion compromise the consensus building process and are generally considered DISRUPTIVE. Please follow the rule in the future. Thank you-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 11:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't see what the problem is here. It's an infobox for Chinese-language names. Both the PRC and ROC use the Chinese language. This just seems like nationalistic Taiwanization to me. -- Joowwww ( talk) 12:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Pandacomics is the one who suggested this current version at first. User_talk:Certified.Gangsta#infobox Also Benjwong's example of native American is a poor choice of example. It is undeniable that native American is part of the United States while labeling Taiwanese as Chinese is controversial. Why do we need to risk to piss people off unnecessarily when an easy solution is available? Benjwong's logic appalls me.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 23:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I felt betrayed by Pandacomics. We had a compromise on my talkpage then he reneged on his promise and chose his own playground where he could obviously gain an upper-hand to gain the so-called "consensus". Anyway fuck it. I would reluctantly take Denegro's suggestion of "Chinese-language actors and singers" if Chinese-language can be changed to Mandarin. This discussion is wearing me thin.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 02:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Mandarin is not the only item in Chinese language. Also certifiedgangsta, if you feel this strongly about the Taiwanese identity. Please do some genuine research on what Taiwanese IS. If you don't mind me saying again... I do not believe your understanding is entirely clear. Most of these Taiwanese artists are making $$$$$ from the Chinese market. Your talk page also has a large amount of users complaining about your edits. Like I was saying, I see your reasons for concern. This forced renaming of templates is adding too much work for everyone. Benjwong ( talk) 02:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I dont understand your reason to object to the CTSM template. Is it an issue of "ethnic group" or "language"? If the issue is ethnic group then classifying Taiwanese as Chinese is POV pushing since it would be against their self and community identification. On the other hand, if the issue is "language", then we should have separate infobox for Cantonese-speaking, and Taiwanese artists who perform in Taiwanese or whatever other languages.
Contrary to what you just said, my talkpage doesn't contain large amount of complaint. Most of the people who complained are the people from this thread.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 04:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
If this is about Chinese language entertainment, then "Malaysian" has absolutely no place in the name of the template. If this is about nationals from the various regions, then the name is very long for a template. If this is restricted to entertainers of Chinese descent... template:Infobox ethnic Chinese entertainer seems fine. If it's for both ethnic and linguistic, then template:Chinese entertainer would be good. If just for linguistic template:Infobox Chinese-language entertainer. The name of the template right now indicates it's an overly restricted southeast asian entertainer box. 70.55.86.69 ( talk) 06:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
My post on Dengero's talkpage was in response to Certified.Gangsta's borderline civil comments, not to the discussion itself. But I will assume good faith, and so we won't go there. I do care about this discussion and how it resolves. Certified.Gangsta is clearly misunderstanding our comments, so why don't we clarify the problem so we're on the same page.
Certified.Gangsta, can you accept "Infobox Chinese-language singer and actor"? If not, can you propose a neutral name that will satisfy the above three issues?
Things to keep in mind: 1. This template covers not only singers but ACTORS as well. 2. The name of the infobox will not affect the average reader. Only those who edit and specifically look for it will find it. – Skyezx // msg 08:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I already mentioned above that I don't have a problem with Chinese-language per se, so I support this as well. It's time to end this drama over a petty infobox anyway. Last but not least, I want to take this opportunity to express my deep regret at this unforeseen, unfortunate incident.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 05:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
No wonder why Skyezx was busy.-- SkyWalker ( talk) 09:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
You got to be kidding me. This reminds me why I am on a prolonged break from WP. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 18:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
This is a new article. Can someone with better Chinese-language skills go through the sources and add more about her? Her second album seems to have won a lot of awards. Also, is she Han or Dai? She's from a Dai area. Badagnani ( talk) 03:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Will it be too much of an effect to change the parameter for the rating box from imp-->importance? My script somehow isn't intergrating with "imp". Don't worry about it if it changes the whole 1000 artiles lol. Dengero ( talk) 02:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I was the one who made it into "imp". The reason was that when I was adding banners, I couldn't be bothered with typing "importance" every time. Three letters seemed faster. Pandacomics ( talk) 19:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm curious, has anybody been writing articles for individual songs? If so, have they had trouble finding sources? I started thinking maybe we could write some articles for some of the classics, like Teresa Teng songs (月亮代表我的心, for example), or some of the more memorable hits from 80's era HK pop. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 15:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
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Looks like WPCLE template is being redirected? See discussion here. Benjwong ( talk) 04:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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The IFPI Hk awards does not seem to have a full listing anywhere of the winners? The IFPIHK.org site does not show every year and is incomplete. A number of links from different artist pages like Jacky Cheung point there. Anyone know of a better site? Benjwong ( talk) 19:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
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This just crossed my mind. Should Chinese animation fall under our purview as well? I thought I would check to see what everyone else thinks. Arsonal ( talk) 07:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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She's a Mandopop singer from Singapore. The article was proposed for deletion. I deprodded it, but can someone familiar with the genre and language try sourcing the article? Her website has copies of press articles. Fences& Windows 17:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Seems like I can't find any English Wiki entry for Golden Bell Award!? Is that really the case or I just have been looking at the wrong places. TheAsianGURU ( talk) 23:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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The userbox is still pointing to the old project name. Is it just a move? Benjwong ( talk) 05:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking around, but I still haven't figured out how to rename categories (i.e. Category:WikiProject_Modern_Chinese_music to Category:WikiProject_Chinese-language_entertainment). If someone could figure that out, it'd be awesome. Here are some pages to get started: Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). Skyezx ( talk) 20:36, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I'd like to move Vanness Wu to "Van Ness Wu," as this is how his name is spelled on all official sites. Discussion/objections? Thanks!! -- Hamuhamu ( talk) 05:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I was trying to tag an article when I realize the tag is {{CPOP}}. The template name is Template:CEnt but you cannot actually use the tag WP:CENT since it goes to "Wikipedia:Centralized discussion". Shouldn't we try to come up with a new tag? This is quite confusing. Benjwong ( talk) 01:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
{{CEnt}} works fine (re: Talk:Ron Ng). Though yeah... CEnt is easily confused with WP:CENT. I don't know. I'm neutral on the matter. I also looked at AWB, but it looks so confusing... and I don't have enough edits to qualify. haha. Skyezx ( talk) 03:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
So it it WPCLE now? Should we update the front page? Dengero ( talk) 01:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of putting "Album" class on some of the album articles, and letting WP:ALBUMS assess it, but then some albums eventually do become FAs, so I'm just wondering what you guys think. Same thing with "(Record) Label" class.
Also, we're probably going to have to devise new assessing criteria, cause a lot of the High-Mid-Low's were based solely on singing, and not acting (which is why Jackie Chan is Mid/Low, and not High. I mean, under WP:CLE, he's definitely a High.) Pandacomics ( talk) 15:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone go to the teresa Carpio page and see whether the first name is in capital or lower case? My browser is saying teresa is in lower case. When I try to move the article to upper case name, it said it is identical. But it is not?! Benjwong ( talk) 04:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Since this place seems active and users are good about responding to queries, I'll ask: would anyone mind looking over an article I expanded on Daniel Wu? I'm new to editing Wikipedia and it's been years since I really did any writing, and I'd really like more experienced eyes to look at it. It hasn't been assessed since it was a stub. I'm particularly wondering about tense shifts. No big hurry! Thanks for your consideration! -- Hamuhamu ( talk) 05:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to mass move with AWB so that any article currently tagged with {{CEnt and {{Cpop will move to {{WPCLE. Notice how I didn't close the brackets because some have different fields to follow. AWB does not seem to let me edit on the talk pages? Anyone know how to make this simple? Or does someone want to run down the list? Benjwong ( talk) 06:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Do you guys think it may be necessary to revise the external links and reliable sources blurb on the project's main page? Sites like http://tvb.windy-goddess.net/?page_id=2 and http://virtuesofharmony.net/blog/?page_id=2, while entertaining, are run by fans/undergrads and seem a lot like blogs/personal web pages. Official blogs like http://blog.tvb.com/raymondlam/ are undoubtedly acceptable, but I'm kinda iffy on those previously mentioned. What do you guys think? And what other examples are there of acceptable sites? I guess it's not a big deal until we promote articles to GA or FA. Skyezx ( talk) 08:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Those red packet pictures for articles like Roger Kwok are all deleted?? Anyone noticed? Benjwong ( talk) 18:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Was doing some online research and ran across this story on CRI English, which I thought was a legit source. It says "Asianfanatics.net" and "Source: World Journal." I...don't get it. Can anyone help sort this out for me? Thanks! -- Hamuhamu ( talk) 21:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Is Kenji Wu really not considered a mandopop singer? Benjwong ( talk) 06:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyone know how to get info about album releases in China? Thanks~ -- hamu♥hamu ( talk) 12:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello! Could anyone provide a romanization of the name 欧陽菲菲 for me? She is a Taiwanese singer who had a hit called "Love is Over" 24 years ago, and she was the first (and until recently, only) foreign Asian artist to have two #1 singles on the Oricon weekly charts. Thanks so much! -- hamu♥hamu ( TALK) 19:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello all! I've been working as part of WikiProject Comics to get their "World Comics" working group off the ground. We've been revamping categories and trying to pave the way for coordinated work on non-American, non-European comics, which don't seem to receive a lot of attention in their "regional" WikiProjects. My focus has been on getting some infrastructure in place for Korean and Chinese-language comics, and we're making progress. If you have any interest in manhua or know an editor who does, or just want to see what we're up to, feel free to venture over and take a look. A lot of the action is on the talk page right now, hashing out logistics, and we'd value your perspectives on any aspect of the project. (One day I'll get back to my Chinese actors work!) -- hamu♥hamu ( TALK) 00:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to GA the Anita Mui article. I just realised we have no rule on what to do with tables. Do I have to create a discography page after X number of albums? Also would that basically mean I can just dump the albums and movies into the discography/filmography page? Has anyone tried GAing that Daniel Wu page? I looked at the Jay Chou page. In comparison I know I cannot write that many paragraphs about Anita Mui albums. Benjwong ( talk) 06:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Someone has been going around adding the "Canto name suffix" to a lot of artists. Should we keep the CNS in any form (bolded part of lead, birth name, etc.) or should we just do away with it, and put the Cantonese name as the birth name?
Example: Andy Lau. Do we place his infobox name as just Andy Lau, or Andy Lau Tak-Wah? If the former, do we place "Lau Tak-wah" as his birth name then? Pandacomics ( talk) 02:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
And by these six letters, I refer to Mr. Lee-Hom Wang. FrankRizzo has been unilaterally moving things to WLH, but the reason I'm posting this notice here is because it raises an interesting point. Should it be LHW, or WLH?
I'm in favour of LHW because of the following:
"The encyclopedia should reference the name more familiar to most English readers. For most historical figures this means that the encyclopedia entry should reference the Chinese name (romanized in Hanyu pinyin) rather than the English name, with a redirect from the English name. However, there are exceptions for figures whose English name is more familiar (such as Confucius) and for figures who were raised in non-Chinese societies and whose Chinese names are unfamiliar (such as Vera Wang and Maya Lin)." (from WP:CHINA)
Now, Mr. Wang was raised in Rochester, so I'd say he fits the non-Chinese societies rule, but Frankrizzo's point (also valid) is that Asian last names should be listed first (e.g. Wu Chun, Zhao Wei). Like Mr. Wu, "Lee-Hom" isn't exactly an English name, and his birth name, Alexander, is rarely used. At the same time, Lee-Hom isn't a traditional romanization of any kind, so it'd fall under WP:CHINA's "unusual romanizations" rule. Anyway, just wanted to know what you guys thought. (Also, should we move Zhao Wei to Vicky Zhao?) Pandacomics ( talk) 17:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
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I wanna start adding 25 second clips to artists' pages. Anyone teach me how? The billion wiki policies confused me more than finding my solution LOL. Dengero ( talk) 12:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I want to invite quite a few people to our project, how about we create a invitation template? I would if I knew how to create one =/ anyone? ^^ Dengero ( talk) 11:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I have used the source http://www.batgwa.com on some minor verification. Does anyone have any objections to using this source? Benjwong ( talk) 05:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok I tried GAing the Anita Mui article and I am not sure I can expand anymore on it. In fact I am not so sure I can expand articles to the length of like Jay Chou articles. Maybe I should just focus on getting articles to B-class/almost GA, and stop at that point. Benjwong ( talk) 06:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so I've been working on an FL candidate, but given the convoluted nature of cpop awards (e.g. 2006 Sprite Awards being in January 2007), which year should we list in the table? The year listed in that year's edition (i.e. 2006 Sprite Awards = 2006, despite being held in 2007), or the year that the show actually occurs in (i.e. 2006 Sprite Awards = 2007 because it was held in January 2007)? If you take a look at the List of S.H.E awards, the pro for option #2 is that there's some form of consistency, but you hit an awkward snag when two consecutive editions of the awards ceremony occur within the same calendar year (see RTHK awards section). Personally, I'm all for option #2, but I just want to see what you guys think. Pandacomics ( talk) 22:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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Certified.Gangsta raised a point about how "Chinese actor and singer" is POV, so I somewhat jokingly suggested a longer, more politically correct name. Looks like I'll have to watch myself more often from now on. However, I hate political drama on Wiki, and for something fun like Cpop artists' articles, why do we have to settle for any drama? In any case, what do you think about "CTSM" or "CTHK singer and actor"? If this ends up being a name as politically satisfying as possible, and will get the fewest number of people yelling at us, I'm all for it. But what do you guys think? Pandacomics ( talk) 06:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
User_talk:Certified.Gangsta#infobox for full length discussion. I highly doubt this is a neutral forum. The best way to achieve NPOV, in this case, is to create separate but equal userboxes for Taiwanese actor and singer, Chinese actor and singer, Singaporean actor and singer, and Malaysian actor and singer.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 07:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
How on earth is "chinese" offensive? Just because chinese is accociated with China rather than Taiwan/Malaysia/Hong Kong? The I feel offended because you're saying English. I'm Australian thankyou very much. Dengero ( talk) 05:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Denegro, you fail to understand the concept of NPOV. Resorting to low-quality ad hominem will not help your cause. Unilateral action is also not conductive to harmonious editing.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 07:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
When user:Certified.Gangsta renamed the template page, he left the documentation page in place, so now the template page IS BROKEN. The documentation is missing and the documentation notice says "create". Template:Infobox Chinese actor and singer/doc should be "/doc"d to the actual template name. 70.55.86.69 ( talk) 09:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
A very short explaination in my own words (correct me if I'm wrong), The user Certified.Gangsta wants to change the the Template "chinese actor and singer" into "Chinese,Taiwanese,Singaporean,Malaysian actor and singer" because "chinese" by itself is POV. Personally, I think this is too trival because in that sense, we have to create infoboxes for the tens of countries who speak "english" into "American, Australian, Canadian etc etc etc...". For more info see per above discussion. Dengero ( talk) 08:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
So you heard one side of the story, now the other. Me and Pandamics had some thoughtful, constructive, enlightening discussion in User_talk:Certified.Gangsta#infobox when I took issue with the title of the userbox. He suggested I move the template to the current name "Chinese, Taiwanese, Singaporean, Malaysian actor and singer". I complied then he said he regret making that suggestion and raised the issue on this forum. Now, I don't really consider this a neutral place to discuss especially since many have a lot of nationalistic feelings here, but nevertheless I tried to participate. Denegro then started to unilaterally revert the userboxes even though discussion was still underway. That's all I gotta say.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 08:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
At this point, I'd wait for the RFC. I hope you guys will remain civil until then. Hopefully, we can work something out through consensus and a fresh perspective. – Skyezx // msg 08:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
[6] [7] are considered WP:CANVASS. Canvassing is not the right way to further your agenda.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 10:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
From what I'm seeing, you tried to gain the upper hand in a discussion by recruiting people who have similar opinions as you do to join the discussion in order to create a "crowd" atmosphere. WP:CANVASS, an official policy, states that canvassing is sending messages to multiple Wikipedians with the intent to inform them about a community discussion. Messages that are written to influence the outcome rather than to improve the quality of a discussion compromise the consensus building process and are generally considered DISRUPTIVE. Please follow the rule in the future. Thank you-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 11:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't see what the problem is here. It's an infobox for Chinese-language names. Both the PRC and ROC use the Chinese language. This just seems like nationalistic Taiwanization to me. -- Joowwww ( talk) 12:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Pandacomics is the one who suggested this current version at first. User_talk:Certified.Gangsta#infobox Also Benjwong's example of native American is a poor choice of example. It is undeniable that native American is part of the United States while labeling Taiwanese as Chinese is controversial. Why do we need to risk to piss people off unnecessarily when an easy solution is available? Benjwong's logic appalls me.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 23:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I felt betrayed by Pandacomics. We had a compromise on my talkpage then he reneged on his promise and chose his own playground where he could obviously gain an upper-hand to gain the so-called "consensus". Anyway fuck it. I would reluctantly take Denegro's suggestion of "Chinese-language actors and singers" if Chinese-language can be changed to Mandarin. This discussion is wearing me thin.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 02:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Mandarin is not the only item in Chinese language. Also certifiedgangsta, if you feel this strongly about the Taiwanese identity. Please do some genuine research on what Taiwanese IS. If you don't mind me saying again... I do not believe your understanding is entirely clear. Most of these Taiwanese artists are making $$$$$ from the Chinese market. Your talk page also has a large amount of users complaining about your edits. Like I was saying, I see your reasons for concern. This forced renaming of templates is adding too much work for everyone. Benjwong ( talk) 02:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I dont understand your reason to object to the CTSM template. Is it an issue of "ethnic group" or "language"? If the issue is ethnic group then classifying Taiwanese as Chinese is POV pushing since it would be against their self and community identification. On the other hand, if the issue is "language", then we should have separate infobox for Cantonese-speaking, and Taiwanese artists who perform in Taiwanese or whatever other languages.
Contrary to what you just said, my talkpage doesn't contain large amount of complaint. Most of the people who complained are the people from this thread.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 04:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
If this is about Chinese language entertainment, then "Malaysian" has absolutely no place in the name of the template. If this is about nationals from the various regions, then the name is very long for a template. If this is restricted to entertainers of Chinese descent... template:Infobox ethnic Chinese entertainer seems fine. If it's for both ethnic and linguistic, then template:Chinese entertainer would be good. If just for linguistic template:Infobox Chinese-language entertainer. The name of the template right now indicates it's an overly restricted southeast asian entertainer box. 70.55.86.69 ( talk) 06:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
My post on Dengero's talkpage was in response to Certified.Gangsta's borderline civil comments, not to the discussion itself. But I will assume good faith, and so we won't go there. I do care about this discussion and how it resolves. Certified.Gangsta is clearly misunderstanding our comments, so why don't we clarify the problem so we're on the same page.
Certified.Gangsta, can you accept "Infobox Chinese-language singer and actor"? If not, can you propose a neutral name that will satisfy the above three issues?
Things to keep in mind: 1. This template covers not only singers but ACTORS as well. 2. The name of the infobox will not affect the average reader. Only those who edit and specifically look for it will find it. – Skyezx // msg 08:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I already mentioned above that I don't have a problem with Chinese-language per se, so I support this as well. It's time to end this drama over a petty infobox anyway. Last but not least, I want to take this opportunity to express my deep regret at this unforeseen, unfortunate incident.-- Certified.Gangsta ( talk) 05:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
No wonder why Skyezx was busy.-- SkyWalker ( talk) 09:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
You got to be kidding me. This reminds me why I am on a prolonged break from WP. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 18:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
This is a new article. Can someone with better Chinese-language skills go through the sources and add more about her? Her second album seems to have won a lot of awards. Also, is she Han or Dai? She's from a Dai area. Badagnani ( talk) 03:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Will it be too much of an effect to change the parameter for the rating box from imp-->importance? My script somehow isn't intergrating with "imp". Don't worry about it if it changes the whole 1000 artiles lol. Dengero ( talk) 02:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I was the one who made it into "imp". The reason was that when I was adding banners, I couldn't be bothered with typing "importance" every time. Three letters seemed faster. Pandacomics ( talk) 19:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm curious, has anybody been writing articles for individual songs? If so, have they had trouble finding sources? I started thinking maybe we could write some articles for some of the classics, like Teresa Teng songs (月亮代表我的心, for example), or some of the more memorable hits from 80's era HK pop. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 15:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
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The IFPI Hk awards does not seem to have a full listing anywhere of the winners? The IFPIHK.org site does not show every year and is incomplete. A number of links from different artist pages like Jacky Cheung point there. Anyone know of a better site? Benjwong ( talk) 19:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
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This just crossed my mind. Should Chinese animation fall under our purview as well? I thought I would check to see what everyone else thinks. Arsonal ( talk) 07:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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She's a Mandopop singer from Singapore. The article was proposed for deletion. I deprodded it, but can someone familiar with the genre and language try sourcing the article? Her website has copies of press articles. Fences& Windows 17:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Seems like I can't find any English Wiki entry for Golden Bell Award!? Is that really the case or I just have been looking at the wrong places. TheAsianGURU ( talk) 23:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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These articles all seem to be the same person. Can someone familiar with him determine the most common name and merge the reliable sourced content into that article? Thanks! Active Banana ( bananaphone 16:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello! Should this project also include Chinese-language based films? I've worked on some Hong Kong films and I was curious if this project should be included on them. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 14:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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