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There is the List of strong chess tournaments which comprises only regular open or invitational tournaments held at classical time controls with more than four players. So, there are not such strong tournaments as:
In that situation, I have just started a new category: List of mini chess tournaments which includes strong quadrangular and triangular tournaments. Mibelz, 19:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be a good idea to joint both lists ( List of strong chess tournaments and List of mini chess tournaments), and then to divide a new list into pieces, like in the German Wikipedia (see, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_bedeutendsten_Schachturniere). Mibelz 11:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Recently a number of chess articles have been nominated for deletion. The most common reason given by the nominators and delete !voters on WP:AFD is WP:NOT#HOWTO / WP:NOT#GUIDE. Although I think that this is not a correct interpretation or application of WP:NOT, it seems to be a common point of disagreement. I wonder if we need WP:CHESSISNOTPOKÉMON? (This has been mentioned before.) I'm not sure why WP:NOT#GUIDE has come up more often recently in connection with chess articles than it had in the past. It may be simply a sign that the number of chess pages is growing (over 1800 now, and 2000 seems likely in the fairly near future), so people are more likely to stumble across them. Maybe it's just coincidence, since the deletion nominations have only been made by a small number of editors. I don't know if WP:CHESS participants should try to prepare an explanation of our views on this issue, or if we should try to get WP:NOT to be more explicit about the application of WP:NOT#GUIDE to sports articles. It seems to me that any explanation of rules, tactics, or strategies in any sport (baseball, judo, fencing, etc.) would be subject to the same complaint, so chess isn't the only vulnerable topic. (I don't follow WP:AFD these days so I don't know if other sports have had this come up.) I think WikiPedia is enhanced, not harmed, if it describes enough about the rules and tactics in judo/fencing/football that I could watch a judo/fencing/football match and understand what is going on and why. Note that this doesn't teach me how to judo wrestle, fence, or play football, but only explains the rules and strategies used. For chess, exactly the same. For Pokémon or World of Warcraft not the same. Any thoughts or suggestions? The pages don't usually get deleted, so perhaps we don't need to do anything. Quale 07:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we should have some "Chess in xxx" articles, for countries xxx for which we have something encyclopedic to say (which means WP:RS sources). These would be survey/overview articles. Unless others think it's a bad idea, I might be able to start a Chess in the United States article this weekend. (If anyone feels it's a good idea and wants to get started right away, that would be great.) There is potentially a lot to say for at least some countries. Some of the references I have (Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess and Sunnucks' Encyclopedia of Chess) have articles on the most prominent chess nations that can be used as skeletons on which we can add more flesh, possibly including
These articles would be the main articles for the categories in Category:Chess by country. One of the reasons I have for this is purely selfish: if others create good articles of this sort (especially about chess in non-English speaking countries) I will enjoy reading them. Any thoughts or suggestions? Quale 15:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems our fellow Wikipedian User:Use the force has started to create one article for each chess subvariation. For example he has already created Abbazia Defense, Australian Gambit, Basque Gambit, Benelux Variation, Berlin Variation, all of them as stub. While some of them may be worth a separate article (maybe the Berlin variation ?), where do you think we should draw the limit (if any) ? As a reminder, we already had some similar discussions in the past that you can find in the chapter "1.6 New Merge Pages" in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess/FAQ/Etiquette#Notability. My first reaction would be to allow a separate article only on a subvariation importance enough to have a book dealing only about it. SyG 19:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
As suggested by Quale, I have turned the entire Berlin Variation article into a redirect to a disambiguation page. Another of the variation-stubs, the Bulgarian Variation was prod-ed and eventually deleted, in part due to lack of sources, in part due to obscurity, and in part due to the fact that proffesional analyses of the "Bulgarian Variation" refer to a different variation of the Ruy than the article alluded to. My opinion is that most variations should not have separate articles. There are exceptions, the major variations of the Sicilian Defense (Najdorf, Dragon, Scheveningen, etc.) and a few others have entire books devoted to them and are played so often that they justify separate articles. Most of the new stubs we have received the past don't make that mark. A separate article for the Berlin Variation of the Ruy Lopez is kind of borderline, but the article we had was not as good as the section already found in the main Ruy Lopez article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Could I be so bold to suggest the creation of a PGN template? It would be very useful to be able to import a game or series of chess moves from an article in to the reader's database, and PGN is the ideal format for such a cross-platform import.
The Lev Alburt article is a case in point. There, a long game is transcribed, which is nice. But, in order to get the game in to one's database, the reader would have to manually copy and paste the game, and then type in or copy the metadata (such as the names of the players, date, site, event, etc) in to the appropriate PGN headers. If it was already in PGN format (perhaps with a link to the PGN file next to the game moves), all of this could be taken care of when the reader copies over the PGN-format game, or uses a PGN viewer to browse through the game. -- noosph e re 02:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello All!
I have a background in computer science and programming in general. With this, I would love to help out in creating some really cool/easy to use things for Chess Wiki to use. So far I've developed a way to generate FEN from any
Template:Chess_diagram input. The template can be found
here, but is still in testing phase. Hopefully, with the help of everyone here testing and providing feedback, we can decide on if we would like to add this to the current
Chess Template. The benefit to adding this to the Chess Template is that is would automatically appear on all diagrams generated from the template.
Anyways, please test it out and let me know what you guys think. As well, I'm open to any suggestions on what should be done next (in the same computer programming aspect). I've started on some script to help generate any chess template, no matter which variant. Also I should be able to do the opposite as what I've done already, which is to generate a position from a FEN string.
Comments, opinions, suggestions, concerns, questions are all greatly welcomed.
Thank you for your time,
Matthew
Yeager 19:54, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Just to keep everyone on the same page. I'm creating a tool for chess (soon every game) to be able to easily generate any type of diagram. This will keep all of our diagrams Standardized and easy for people to make. I finished with having it render any standard chess diagram from 1. Starting Position Checkbox, 2. Position Input (what we currently have to do ex. rl|nl|bl) and now 3. FEN String!!
If anyone has any other methods of input they would like to use, let me know. I'm open to adding anything that would make things easier. Now I'm going to work on making all the variants for chess.
Matthew
Yeager 05:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
The script I made, RenderBoard, has been documented on my talk page. Explains how to use it, what it can do and what is coming. Thank you for your time Matthew Yeager 23:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Since no-one commented here, I decided to be WP:BOLD and moved (well, copied) the new diagram template from User:Matthew Yeager/Chess Render FEN to Template:Chess diagram. Any thoughts now? I think it's a great improvement anyway. — ZeroOne ( talk / @) 22:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
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I have made the old version default again, until the template is fixed. Voorlandt 13:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I have started an article on this, and I am having problems to find information. Does somebody know:
I also posted this question on the German wikipedia, since they seem to have a lot of accurate info on these championships in their biography articles. Thanks a lot for your time, and I really hope somebody can help me! Voorlandt 09:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
In the article it says that the championship was discontinued after 1928. It seems to be revamped in 1995. I don't have time nor resources to work on this. However, I posted some partial results (not always very reliable) on the talk page, so hopefully somebody can complete the list and incorporate it into the article. Voorlandt 15:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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There is the List of strong chess tournaments which comprises only regular open or invitational tournaments held at classical time controls with more than four players. So, there are not such strong tournaments as:
In that situation, I have just started a new category: List of mini chess tournaments which includes strong quadrangular and triangular tournaments. Mibelz, 19:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be a good idea to joint both lists ( List of strong chess tournaments and List of mini chess tournaments), and then to divide a new list into pieces, like in the German Wikipedia (see, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_bedeutendsten_Schachturniere). Mibelz 11:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Recently a number of chess articles have been nominated for deletion. The most common reason given by the nominators and delete !voters on WP:AFD is WP:NOT#HOWTO / WP:NOT#GUIDE. Although I think that this is not a correct interpretation or application of WP:NOT, it seems to be a common point of disagreement. I wonder if we need WP:CHESSISNOTPOKÉMON? (This has been mentioned before.) I'm not sure why WP:NOT#GUIDE has come up more often recently in connection with chess articles than it had in the past. It may be simply a sign that the number of chess pages is growing (over 1800 now, and 2000 seems likely in the fairly near future), so people are more likely to stumble across them. Maybe it's just coincidence, since the deletion nominations have only been made by a small number of editors. I don't know if WP:CHESS participants should try to prepare an explanation of our views on this issue, or if we should try to get WP:NOT to be more explicit about the application of WP:NOT#GUIDE to sports articles. It seems to me that any explanation of rules, tactics, or strategies in any sport (baseball, judo, fencing, etc.) would be subject to the same complaint, so chess isn't the only vulnerable topic. (I don't follow WP:AFD these days so I don't know if other sports have had this come up.) I think WikiPedia is enhanced, not harmed, if it describes enough about the rules and tactics in judo/fencing/football that I could watch a judo/fencing/football match and understand what is going on and why. Note that this doesn't teach me how to judo wrestle, fence, or play football, but only explains the rules and strategies used. For chess, exactly the same. For Pokémon or World of Warcraft not the same. Any thoughts or suggestions? The pages don't usually get deleted, so perhaps we don't need to do anything. Quale 07:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we should have some "Chess in xxx" articles, for countries xxx for which we have something encyclopedic to say (which means WP:RS sources). These would be survey/overview articles. Unless others think it's a bad idea, I might be able to start a Chess in the United States article this weekend. (If anyone feels it's a good idea and wants to get started right away, that would be great.) There is potentially a lot to say for at least some countries. Some of the references I have (Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess and Sunnucks' Encyclopedia of Chess) have articles on the most prominent chess nations that can be used as skeletons on which we can add more flesh, possibly including
These articles would be the main articles for the categories in Category:Chess by country. One of the reasons I have for this is purely selfish: if others create good articles of this sort (especially about chess in non-English speaking countries) I will enjoy reading them. Any thoughts or suggestions? Quale 15:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems our fellow Wikipedian User:Use the force has started to create one article for each chess subvariation. For example he has already created Abbazia Defense, Australian Gambit, Basque Gambit, Benelux Variation, Berlin Variation, all of them as stub. While some of them may be worth a separate article (maybe the Berlin variation ?), where do you think we should draw the limit (if any) ? As a reminder, we already had some similar discussions in the past that you can find in the chapter "1.6 New Merge Pages" in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess/FAQ/Etiquette#Notability. My first reaction would be to allow a separate article only on a subvariation importance enough to have a book dealing only about it. SyG 19:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
As suggested by Quale, I have turned the entire Berlin Variation article into a redirect to a disambiguation page. Another of the variation-stubs, the Bulgarian Variation was prod-ed and eventually deleted, in part due to lack of sources, in part due to obscurity, and in part due to the fact that proffesional analyses of the "Bulgarian Variation" refer to a different variation of the Ruy than the article alluded to. My opinion is that most variations should not have separate articles. There are exceptions, the major variations of the Sicilian Defense (Najdorf, Dragon, Scheveningen, etc.) and a few others have entire books devoted to them and are played so often that they justify separate articles. Most of the new stubs we have received the past don't make that mark. A separate article for the Berlin Variation of the Ruy Lopez is kind of borderline, but the article we had was not as good as the section already found in the main Ruy Lopez article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Could I be so bold to suggest the creation of a PGN template? It would be very useful to be able to import a game or series of chess moves from an article in to the reader's database, and PGN is the ideal format for such a cross-platform import.
The Lev Alburt article is a case in point. There, a long game is transcribed, which is nice. But, in order to get the game in to one's database, the reader would have to manually copy and paste the game, and then type in or copy the metadata (such as the names of the players, date, site, event, etc) in to the appropriate PGN headers. If it was already in PGN format (perhaps with a link to the PGN file next to the game moves), all of this could be taken care of when the reader copies over the PGN-format game, or uses a PGN viewer to browse through the game. -- noosph e re 02:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello All!
I have a background in computer science and programming in general. With this, I would love to help out in creating some really cool/easy to use things for Chess Wiki to use. So far I've developed a way to generate FEN from any
Template:Chess_diagram input. The template can be found
here, but is still in testing phase. Hopefully, with the help of everyone here testing and providing feedback, we can decide on if we would like to add this to the current
Chess Template. The benefit to adding this to the Chess Template is that is would automatically appear on all diagrams generated from the template.
Anyways, please test it out and let me know what you guys think. As well, I'm open to any suggestions on what should be done next (in the same computer programming aspect). I've started on some script to help generate any chess template, no matter which variant. Also I should be able to do the opposite as what I've done already, which is to generate a position from a FEN string.
Comments, opinions, suggestions, concerns, questions are all greatly welcomed.
Thank you for your time,
Matthew
Yeager 19:54, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Just to keep everyone on the same page. I'm creating a tool for chess (soon every game) to be able to easily generate any type of diagram. This will keep all of our diagrams Standardized and easy for people to make. I finished with having it render any standard chess diagram from 1. Starting Position Checkbox, 2. Position Input (what we currently have to do ex. rl|nl|bl) and now 3. FEN String!!
If anyone has any other methods of input they would like to use, let me know. I'm open to adding anything that would make things easier. Now I'm going to work on making all the variants for chess.
Matthew
Yeager 05:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
The script I made, RenderBoard, has been documented on my talk page. Explains how to use it, what it can do and what is coming. Thank you for your time Matthew Yeager 23:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Since no-one commented here, I decided to be WP:BOLD and moved (well, copied) the new diagram template from User:Matthew Yeager/Chess Render FEN to Template:Chess diagram. Any thoughts now? I think it's a great improvement anyway. — ZeroOne ( talk / @) 22:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
a | b | c | d | e | f | g | h | ||
8 | 8 | ||||||||
7 | 7 | ||||||||
6 | 6 | ||||||||
5 | 5 | ||||||||
4 | 4 | ||||||||
3 | 3 | ||||||||
2 | 2 | ||||||||
1 | 1 | ||||||||
a | b | c | d | e | f | g | h |
I have made the old version default again, until the template is fixed. Voorlandt 13:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I have started an article on this, and I am having problems to find information. Does somebody know:
I also posted this question on the German wikipedia, since they seem to have a lot of accurate info on these championships in their biography articles. Thanks a lot for your time, and I really hope somebody can help me! Voorlandt 09:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
In the article it says that the championship was discontinued after 1928. It seems to be revamped in 1995. I don't have time nor resources to work on this. However, I posted some partial results (not always very reliable) on the talk page, so hopefully somebody can complete the list and incorporate it into the article. Voorlandt 15:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)