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It's kind of scary that the guy who created all these WP:GEOLAND-failing articles has an edit-count so high that the article-creation counting tool can't actually count them. We know it's probably ~3 thousand or more for California alone, but just trying to scope it out globally we're looking at maybe ten thousand or more? FOARP ( talk) 10:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
As Otr500 indicated on my talk page and I've done for a number of places individually, the best approach is to just redirect all of these rather than continuing to flood AFD – there's hundreds of articles (and man-hours) to go on this. I think the best target is List of places in California or (the much less complete) List of ghost towns in California. This can be done quite easily with WP:AWB, we just need to have a single list: I've started that here, and you're welcome to help by copying places in from the county navbox templates. There's also Category:Unincorporated communities in California and Category:Former populated places in California. From this anything someone wants kept can just be removed from the list – or AWB can also auto-skip anything that contains "post office" or another phrase, and every save still has to be done manually so we can see which pages have content beyond the usual couple lines. Other thoughts?
By the way, a useful tool is to have redirects colored differently from direct article links. You can do this on your .css page like I have at
User:Reywas92/vector.css with .mw-body-content a.mw-redirect {color:#115fcc}
. Cheers,
Reywas92
Talk
22:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Animpayamo, California. The GNIS cite for the lot is
which as you might imagine is not the most accessible document out there. Searching seems to pull up a lot of people who copied the material as a chunk. There are obvious political issues in this because the likely result that we can't write about a group of NA villages because there's just not enough info on them is going ruffle feathers. But I don't know what else to do beyond setting up a double-standard. Mangoe ( talk) 18:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm going through the Monterey County unincorporated places, and while there's plenty to delete (not to mention that long list of NA placenames we're hanging fire on), I'm now running across the opposite issue with some of them: they ought to have non-stub articles written on them, but because someone ran in a bunch of stubs, everyone seems to be assuming the work is done.
Take Jolon, California (pronounced "Holone", FYI), which claims to be an existing unincorporated settlement. GMaps shows an Episcopal church and, some small distance away, an isolated house. Well, that house happens to be NRHP-listed, and there's another NRHP site less than a mile away. It turns out that Jolon was once a sizeable town until it got bypassed, first by the railroad and then by the highway. There's a lot of history here, but nobody bothered to write it until now. So I'm working on both the NRHP sites, and then will rework the main article into a history of the ghost town (for that is what it is).
Meanwhile, we have Fort Romie, California, which has a tiny hint of its true history: it was the most successful of three US Salvation Army colonies, a project of theirs which is worth an article unto itself. But again, laid in as a stub, so.....
I'm just about ready to propose a ban on stub articles. From what I can see, they delay writing articles more than they promote doing so. Mangoe ( talk) 15:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
See here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mazraeh-ye Dariush Baharvand Ahmadi. FOARP ( talk) 09:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
As I just noted at Bonanza Springs, California ( AfD discussion) there's an easy cleanup route for a whole bunch of "Springs" articles using this, just changing "unincorporated community" to "set of springs" and citing this. At least then the stubs aren't wholly misleading, and people can worry about notability later (although most of the entries in Waring 1915 seem fairly substantial). Hog Farm, how many articles are there if you filter for the "Something Springs, Californa" ones? Could we make a reasonable list? Uncle G ( talk) 01:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
I have been through the unincorporated communities in Lake County that are still on the template, and cross-checked them against the book. These are the ones that I could not find as resorts. Uncle G ( talk) 17:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Just finished cleaning up Mono County. I didn't need to make a list article: merging and deletion appeared to be adequate. — hike395 ( talk) 15:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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It's kind of scary that the guy who created all these WP:GEOLAND-failing articles has an edit-count so high that the article-creation counting tool can't actually count them. We know it's probably ~3 thousand or more for California alone, but just trying to scope it out globally we're looking at maybe ten thousand or more? FOARP ( talk) 10:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
As Otr500 indicated on my talk page and I've done for a number of places individually, the best approach is to just redirect all of these rather than continuing to flood AFD – there's hundreds of articles (and man-hours) to go on this. I think the best target is List of places in California or (the much less complete) List of ghost towns in California. This can be done quite easily with WP:AWB, we just need to have a single list: I've started that here, and you're welcome to help by copying places in from the county navbox templates. There's also Category:Unincorporated communities in California and Category:Former populated places in California. From this anything someone wants kept can just be removed from the list – or AWB can also auto-skip anything that contains "post office" or another phrase, and every save still has to be done manually so we can see which pages have content beyond the usual couple lines. Other thoughts?
By the way, a useful tool is to have redirects colored differently from direct article links. You can do this on your .css page like I have at
User:Reywas92/vector.css with .mw-body-content a.mw-redirect {color:#115fcc}
. Cheers,
Reywas92
Talk
22:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Animpayamo, California. The GNIS cite for the lot is
which as you might imagine is not the most accessible document out there. Searching seems to pull up a lot of people who copied the material as a chunk. There are obvious political issues in this because the likely result that we can't write about a group of NA villages because there's just not enough info on them is going ruffle feathers. But I don't know what else to do beyond setting up a double-standard. Mangoe ( talk) 18:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm going through the Monterey County unincorporated places, and while there's plenty to delete (not to mention that long list of NA placenames we're hanging fire on), I'm now running across the opposite issue with some of them: they ought to have non-stub articles written on them, but because someone ran in a bunch of stubs, everyone seems to be assuming the work is done.
Take Jolon, California (pronounced "Holone", FYI), which claims to be an existing unincorporated settlement. GMaps shows an Episcopal church and, some small distance away, an isolated house. Well, that house happens to be NRHP-listed, and there's another NRHP site less than a mile away. It turns out that Jolon was once a sizeable town until it got bypassed, first by the railroad and then by the highway. There's a lot of history here, but nobody bothered to write it until now. So I'm working on both the NRHP sites, and then will rework the main article into a history of the ghost town (for that is what it is).
Meanwhile, we have Fort Romie, California, which has a tiny hint of its true history: it was the most successful of three US Salvation Army colonies, a project of theirs which is worth an article unto itself. But again, laid in as a stub, so.....
I'm just about ready to propose a ban on stub articles. From what I can see, they delay writing articles more than they promote doing so. Mangoe ( talk) 15:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
See here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mazraeh-ye Dariush Baharvand Ahmadi. FOARP ( talk) 09:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
As I just noted at Bonanza Springs, California ( AfD discussion) there's an easy cleanup route for a whole bunch of "Springs" articles using this, just changing "unincorporated community" to "set of springs" and citing this. At least then the stubs aren't wholly misleading, and people can worry about notability later (although most of the entries in Waring 1915 seem fairly substantial). Hog Farm, how many articles are there if you filter for the "Something Springs, Californa" ones? Could we make a reasonable list? Uncle G ( talk) 01:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
I have been through the unincorporated communities in Lake County that are still on the template, and cross-checked them against the book. These are the ones that I could not find as resorts. Uncle G ( talk) 17:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Just finished cleaning up Mono County. I didn't need to make a list article: merging and deletion appeared to be adequate. — hike395 ( talk) 15:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)