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I strongly suggest we have a period of discussion to iron out exactly what needs to be done before we start editing articles en masse. jenuk1985 ( talk) 03:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I have moved the below section from my talk page, it may be more appropriate here jenuk1985 ( talk) 19:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying about the bus routes, many are non-encyclopaedic and non-notable.
Out of the Walsall routes, the most notable and major are the following:
If it is ok with you, shall I delete the other articles and then go through the Quality Drive with the above services.
These are only buses in the Walsall area above. Of course, if you feel the list is wrong and needs adjusting please let me know, or if you want me to follow a different course of action.
Thanks Notepanel ( talk) 13:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I just took a quick look at the project page. I think the basic idea and most of the points made are sound. However, one thing that stood out to me as seeming a bit absurd, was "Frequency information" under the heading "What should not be included in an article".
Surely the frequency is one of the most essential facts about a bus route, from a general interest standpoint, not just that of a traveller? There is no need for it to be detailed, but just mentioning that a route typically runs every X minutes during the daytime, and maybe peak time (if different), evening and Sunday frequencies, can only add to the article.
My suggestion would be to change this item under "What not to include" to read either "timetable information", or perhaps "detailed frequency information".
Cheers, Quackdave ( talk) 21:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
← I think that at least the main frequency should be mentioned in the infoxbox, but only a simple mention. Maybe we could add the secondary frequency (evenings and suns) in brackets or something, like this: "Frequency: 6 (15)" Arriva436 talk/ contribs 22:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently no articles exist for the routes I have listed below, but I feel their history may warrant them, how do people feel about this in the long term? (These are only routes in my home county, I don't know enough about other areas to comment as such).
Comments and suggestions for other notable routes in the UK that don't have articles, but may warrant them? I feel that with any suggestion it may be suitable to "justify" them as an article. jenuk1985 ( talk) 20:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
This topic has been moved from Talk:West Midlands bus route 1 (Coventry) and Talk:West Midlands bus route 801 (Coventry) to attract a greater participation. |
I have proposed that this article be redirected or deleted as part of the UK Bus Route Quality Drive as being non notable, along with a list of other routes, you can see a list of the proposed routes at the drive's page, and I encourage you to discuss the list on the drive's talk page. External input would be greatly appreciated! jenuk1985 ( talk) 02:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
With regards to the deletions you have proposed in Walsall I agree with them all. I am, however, going to add the information about the 951A back onto the 51/X51 page if that is OK as this is basically an extended X51! (It is kind of already mentioned about this on the X51/51 page already, but it is more so mentioned on the 351/951 page because the other way, it is an extended version of this route!)
Also, the 331 route I think is missing from both the proposed keep and proposed deletion tables. Although not too notable now, it once was a 10 minute frequency service & has a bit of an unusual tale with the Cat, which made it into National newspapers and worldwide weird stuff websites!
Finally, apologies for not being able to do much to the pages recently, I have had lots of work to do, but should have some spare time the end of this week/next weekend to get stuff done.
Thanks Notepanel ( talk) 19:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
As reviewing administrator, I see all of the prods for these routes. I m a little puzzled that you actually want to delete instead of simply merging, and I wonder if you could explain. It would normally have been simpler to determine consensus on this before the prods were placed, rather than afterwards. DGG ( talk) 19:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at West Midlands Bristol Road bus corridor, I have created a new corridor routebox and added the 64, 143 and 144 services to the page, each getting their own section. Could this be a better way of handling bus route articles, rather than individual articles as is the case now? The page still needs a lot more work, there is much more information available out there to add to the page.
I propose that we have corridor pages for all the major corridors, detailing all appropriate services. We only keep individual articles if that particular route is suitable for its own article. Jenuk1985 | Talk 06:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I have added the following routes to the status table. Currently I have put them in unsorted, but I feel most of these would warrant keeping. We could also learn a few things from the Southern Vectris articles, possibly route maps?
Jenuk1985 | Talk 17:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) Yes, I did use BS-table rather than BS-table3. Agreed, tunnels probably won't be needed as we're not talking about physical structures. Looking at West Midlands bus route 7 I'd say that looks good, although if we're being non-standard by having dotted meaning limited rather than tunnel, the legend is probably even more important! I'll change the legend as necessary now. -- Peeky44 ( talk) 20:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I propose that the following articles be renamed so that they aren't operator specific, as per other routes:
I am about to put notes on the talk pages of these routes to let people know about the proposal. Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I have made some more changes to the infobox on Southern Vectis route 1:
I have also put the infobox onto route 2 at the same standard. Arriva436 talk/ contribs 19:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
See User:Jenuk1985/Bus routes in Bromsgrove, I am working on this as 99% of the routes travelling through Bromsgrove are not notable enough for their own article, yet collectively they form an interesting article. The format could be rolled out to other areas where individual notability is questionable, yet a whole network may be notable. For a city the size of Birmingham, it wouldn't feasible for such an article, but if it was to be split down into the suburbs, such as Bus routes in Northfield, Birmingham, it may be workable. A benefit of this system is that historical routes no longer running can be shown, to give a bigger picture. If a route does have its own article, a short summary with the {{main}} template can be provided. Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
While at first they look nice, the yes ticks and no crosses are in my opinions are beginning to look a bit 'busy' and are starting to clash a bit. May I suggest considering changing it to a simple 'Yes' or 'No'? Also, then we wouldn't have to have the ones with e.g. "needs better" and a tick, we could just have the words. Ideas? Arriva436 talk/ contribs 19:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
It may now be an appropriate time to get a bit ruthless with these articles. Over the next month or so I'm going to do all I can to source the articles we have listed to "keep". After I've made a reasonable effort to source an article, if I can't reasonably establish notability I will redirect or nominate for deletion. I'd appreciate any help with this, I have several "projects" going on (hence you'll notice I dip in and out of this) that limit the amount of time I spend on this. I should think the majority of articles will be safe. I'd also make an appeal now to try to get a lot more ticks in that status table! I am currently cameraless so I can't manage pictures myself but I am going to try asking a few people I know if they would upload a few of their own images as appropriate. Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I have asked on a smaller scale in the past, but do we feel there is interest in creating a UK Buses WikiProject? Essentially combining this quality drive and the operator quality drive. There seem to be various editors dotted around the country editing their little corners, it would be good to get everyone involved in a single place? Jenuk1985 | Talk 18:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I've just deleted a large number of talk pages for non-existent bus articles created earlier today. I'm not sure if they were created as a part of this or if it's just coincidence, but if someone is operating a bot or script, please make sure the article exists before you create a talkpage for it! Not all bus routes (by a long way) have their own article. – iridescent 22:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
We have a de facto standard on route lists based on existing articles:
I created a new article, List of bus routes in Cardiff, splitting off the route lists from Bus transport in Cardiff and standardising the route list to what we generally use. A user has started insisting that the colour of the operator should be shown, which makes the table harder to read, inaccessible and goes against standard.
I've created this discussion for advice on where to go from here, I don't want to get into an edit war, but equally, I'm sure we all agree that having loads of "List of bus routes in X" in different formats isn't helpful either. Jenuk1985 | Talk 13:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
← Yeah, basically any route that leaves the city boundaries... show common sense though, if it only strays out by a few miles, include it in the main section. Jenuk1985 | Talk 21:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
This article gets a lot of attention and the "Busiest in Europe Claim" is a problem. Vaut le détour.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 15:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
All instances of "Henley's Corner" should be changed to "Henly's Corner" (with or without apostrophe). It's in London, on the A1 and the North Circular. 82.163.24.100 ( talk) 23:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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I strongly suggest we have a period of discussion to iron out exactly what needs to be done before we start editing articles en masse. jenuk1985 ( talk) 03:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I have moved the below section from my talk page, it may be more appropriate here jenuk1985 ( talk) 19:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying about the bus routes, many are non-encyclopaedic and non-notable.
Out of the Walsall routes, the most notable and major are the following:
If it is ok with you, shall I delete the other articles and then go through the Quality Drive with the above services.
These are only buses in the Walsall area above. Of course, if you feel the list is wrong and needs adjusting please let me know, or if you want me to follow a different course of action.
Thanks Notepanel ( talk) 13:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I just took a quick look at the project page. I think the basic idea and most of the points made are sound. However, one thing that stood out to me as seeming a bit absurd, was "Frequency information" under the heading "What should not be included in an article".
Surely the frequency is one of the most essential facts about a bus route, from a general interest standpoint, not just that of a traveller? There is no need for it to be detailed, but just mentioning that a route typically runs every X minutes during the daytime, and maybe peak time (if different), evening and Sunday frequencies, can only add to the article.
My suggestion would be to change this item under "What not to include" to read either "timetable information", or perhaps "detailed frequency information".
Cheers, Quackdave ( talk) 21:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
← I think that at least the main frequency should be mentioned in the infoxbox, but only a simple mention. Maybe we could add the secondary frequency (evenings and suns) in brackets or something, like this: "Frequency: 6 (15)" Arriva436 talk/ contribs 22:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently no articles exist for the routes I have listed below, but I feel their history may warrant them, how do people feel about this in the long term? (These are only routes in my home county, I don't know enough about other areas to comment as such).
Comments and suggestions for other notable routes in the UK that don't have articles, but may warrant them? I feel that with any suggestion it may be suitable to "justify" them as an article. jenuk1985 ( talk) 20:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
This topic has been moved from Talk:West Midlands bus route 1 (Coventry) and Talk:West Midlands bus route 801 (Coventry) to attract a greater participation. |
I have proposed that this article be redirected or deleted as part of the UK Bus Route Quality Drive as being non notable, along with a list of other routes, you can see a list of the proposed routes at the drive's page, and I encourage you to discuss the list on the drive's talk page. External input would be greatly appreciated! jenuk1985 ( talk) 02:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
With regards to the deletions you have proposed in Walsall I agree with them all. I am, however, going to add the information about the 951A back onto the 51/X51 page if that is OK as this is basically an extended X51! (It is kind of already mentioned about this on the X51/51 page already, but it is more so mentioned on the 351/951 page because the other way, it is an extended version of this route!)
Also, the 331 route I think is missing from both the proposed keep and proposed deletion tables. Although not too notable now, it once was a 10 minute frequency service & has a bit of an unusual tale with the Cat, which made it into National newspapers and worldwide weird stuff websites!
Finally, apologies for not being able to do much to the pages recently, I have had lots of work to do, but should have some spare time the end of this week/next weekend to get stuff done.
Thanks Notepanel ( talk) 19:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
As reviewing administrator, I see all of the prods for these routes. I m a little puzzled that you actually want to delete instead of simply merging, and I wonder if you could explain. It would normally have been simpler to determine consensus on this before the prods were placed, rather than afterwards. DGG ( talk) 19:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at West Midlands Bristol Road bus corridor, I have created a new corridor routebox and added the 64, 143 and 144 services to the page, each getting their own section. Could this be a better way of handling bus route articles, rather than individual articles as is the case now? The page still needs a lot more work, there is much more information available out there to add to the page.
I propose that we have corridor pages for all the major corridors, detailing all appropriate services. We only keep individual articles if that particular route is suitable for its own article. Jenuk1985 | Talk 06:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I have added the following routes to the status table. Currently I have put them in unsorted, but I feel most of these would warrant keeping. We could also learn a few things from the Southern Vectris articles, possibly route maps?
Jenuk1985 | Talk 17:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) Yes, I did use BS-table rather than BS-table3. Agreed, tunnels probably won't be needed as we're not talking about physical structures. Looking at West Midlands bus route 7 I'd say that looks good, although if we're being non-standard by having dotted meaning limited rather than tunnel, the legend is probably even more important! I'll change the legend as necessary now. -- Peeky44 ( talk) 20:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I propose that the following articles be renamed so that they aren't operator specific, as per other routes:
I am about to put notes on the talk pages of these routes to let people know about the proposal. Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I have made some more changes to the infobox on Southern Vectis route 1:
I have also put the infobox onto route 2 at the same standard. Arriva436 talk/ contribs 19:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
See User:Jenuk1985/Bus routes in Bromsgrove, I am working on this as 99% of the routes travelling through Bromsgrove are not notable enough for their own article, yet collectively they form an interesting article. The format could be rolled out to other areas where individual notability is questionable, yet a whole network may be notable. For a city the size of Birmingham, it wouldn't feasible for such an article, but if it was to be split down into the suburbs, such as Bus routes in Northfield, Birmingham, it may be workable. A benefit of this system is that historical routes no longer running can be shown, to give a bigger picture. If a route does have its own article, a short summary with the {{main}} template can be provided. Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
While at first they look nice, the yes ticks and no crosses are in my opinions are beginning to look a bit 'busy' and are starting to clash a bit. May I suggest considering changing it to a simple 'Yes' or 'No'? Also, then we wouldn't have to have the ones with e.g. "needs better" and a tick, we could just have the words. Ideas? Arriva436 talk/ contribs 19:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
It may now be an appropriate time to get a bit ruthless with these articles. Over the next month or so I'm going to do all I can to source the articles we have listed to "keep". After I've made a reasonable effort to source an article, if I can't reasonably establish notability I will redirect or nominate for deletion. I'd appreciate any help with this, I have several "projects" going on (hence you'll notice I dip in and out of this) that limit the amount of time I spend on this. I should think the majority of articles will be safe. I'd also make an appeal now to try to get a lot more ticks in that status table! I am currently cameraless so I can't manage pictures myself but I am going to try asking a few people I know if they would upload a few of their own images as appropriate. Jenuk1985 | Talk 16:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I have asked on a smaller scale in the past, but do we feel there is interest in creating a UK Buses WikiProject? Essentially combining this quality drive and the operator quality drive. There seem to be various editors dotted around the country editing their little corners, it would be good to get everyone involved in a single place? Jenuk1985 | Talk 18:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I've just deleted a large number of talk pages for non-existent bus articles created earlier today. I'm not sure if they were created as a part of this or if it's just coincidence, but if someone is operating a bot or script, please make sure the article exists before you create a talkpage for it! Not all bus routes (by a long way) have their own article. – iridescent 22:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
We have a de facto standard on route lists based on existing articles:
I created a new article, List of bus routes in Cardiff, splitting off the route lists from Bus transport in Cardiff and standardising the route list to what we generally use. A user has started insisting that the colour of the operator should be shown, which makes the table harder to read, inaccessible and goes against standard.
I've created this discussion for advice on where to go from here, I don't want to get into an edit war, but equally, I'm sure we all agree that having loads of "List of bus routes in X" in different formats isn't helpful either. Jenuk1985 | Talk 13:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
← Yeah, basically any route that leaves the city boundaries... show common sense though, if it only strays out by a few miles, include it in the main section. Jenuk1985 | Talk 21:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
This article gets a lot of attention and the "Busiest in Europe Claim" is a problem. Vaut le détour.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 15:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
All instances of "Henley's Corner" should be changed to "Henly's Corner" (with or without apostrophe). It's in London, on the A1 and the North Circular. 82.163.24.100 ( talk) 23:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC)