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Hello. This discussion has been split off from Charles's talkpage in order to go into more detail about how to achieve its goal. It is an initiative to get HMTK's article to either "Good article" or "Featured article" class. Below will be a breakdown of the article by section which can serve as a suggestion on how to improve it. This will require discussion and consensus-building from other editors on how best to go about this.
Possible issues:
Without wanting to reopen the can of worms of the first sentence, I think there's a small tweak we could make to the second one. He was the longest-serving heir apparent and Prince of Wales, and at the age of 73, became the oldest person to accede to the British throne, upon the death of his mother, Elizabeth II, on 8 September 2022.
That's quite a lot of sentence, with a lot of subordination and relativisation. Bordering the run-on. To be fair several of them are related -- "man waits long time to become king" -- but I think the "upon the death of his mother, Elizabeth II" is honestly one more clause -- and two more commas -- than we sensibly need. Other "monarch" articles don't seem to use this formulation at all. Not
Elizabeth II, not
George VI -- a combo-breaker case, at that! -- not
George V. I recommend we move that into the fourth paragraph, thereby also giving the "reign" para a more logical and natural-reading beginning.
109.255.211.6 (
talk)
03:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary; born 21 April 1926) is Queen of the United Kingdom and 14 other Commonwealth realms." We should do the same for Charles, and just have "
Charles III (Charles Philip Arthur George; born 14 November 1948) is King of the United Kingdom and the 14 other Commonwealth realms" for the first paragraph, and when ( if) Charles dies, we can add some more detail there. William IV, the oldest king at the time of his accession, just has "
he inherited the throne when he was 64 years old" in paragraph 2. Edward VII, the longest serving heir apparent to accede until September has "
He was Prince of Wales and heir apparent to the British throne for almost 60 years" in paragraph 2. So yes, a briefer version should be included elsewhere in the lead. As you say, the fourth paragraph would be a natural place to put it. What would you think about the following?:
Charles inherited the throne of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms upon the death of his mother on September 8, 2022. At the age of 73, he was the oldest person to accede to the British throne, after having previously been the longest-serving heir apparent and Prince of Wales in British history. After brief speculation that he might choose a different regnal name, it was announced he would reign as Charles III. His coronation will take place on May 6, 2023."
it was announced" and "
prime minister Liz Truss announced". Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Charles III | |||||
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![]() Charles in 2019 | |||||
King of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms [a] | |||||
Reign | 8 September 2022 – present | ||||
Predecessor | Elizabeth II | ||||
Heir apparent | William, Prince of Wales | ||||
Born | Prince Charles of Edinburgh 14 November 1948 Buckingham Palace, London, England, United Kingdom | ||||
Spouses | |||||
Issue | |||||
| |||||
House | Windsor | ||||
Father | Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh | ||||
Mother | Elizabeth II | ||||
Religion | Protestant [c] | ||||
Signature | Charles's signature in black ink | ||||
Head of the Commonwealth | |||||
Education | Gordonstoun School | ||||
Alma mater | Trinity College, Cambridge ( MA) | ||||
Military career | |||||
Allegiance | United Kingdom [d] | ||||
Service/ | |||||
Active service | 1971–1976 | ||||
Rank | See list | ||||
Commands held | HMS Bronington |
(Top-posted for the sake of maintaining same order as article.) 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 07:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
On a narrower point, the IB starts like:
Which is essentially saying two things of due weight (pic of the subject of the article; his primary notability) in five fields. I think HoC is wholly misplaced. It should be in the IB certainly (so I'm not proposing any "shortening" in this respect), but not in this "key points of the key points" header area. The others are merely somewhat redundant. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 09:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
@ 109.255.211.6: Could you give us a visual example, of what you're suggesting? GoodDay ( talk) 21:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
following in the footsteps of his father, grandfather and two of his great-grandfathers" as it doesn't provide much, as royals do typically serve in the forces, and Philip, George VI and Edward VIII's time in the RAF isn't noted despite Charles's service there too. I would also suggest the removal of "
requested and" and "
On 8 March 1971, he flew himself to the Royal Air Force College Cranwell to train as a jet pilot" as we don't need a blow-by-blow account of his training.
In June 1980, Charles officially turned down Chevening House, placed at his disposal since 1974, as his future residence. Chevening, a stately home in Kent, was bequeathed, along with an endowment, to the Crown by the last Earl Stanhope, Amanda's childless great-uncle, in the hope that Charles would eventually occupy it. In 1977, a newspaper report mistakenly announced his engagement to Princess Marie-Astrid of Luxembourg" as, whilst true and verified, isn't too important that he never lived in a specific house. It also wouldn't go amiss to slightly copyedit the third paragraph either.
[...] in February 1981 and their engagement became official on 24 February." - surely this doesn't need to be so wordy. Even a bit of punctuation would help.
[...] 29 July of that year.- we don't need "of that year", we just need "They married [...] on 29 July."
(known as "Harry")- just put "Harry" straight away.
(nee Shand)- unneeded clarification.
It is thought [...]- per WP:WEASEL.
British prime minister- remove altogether. " John Major" works fine on its own.
Parliament-> "the House of Commons"
which was dubbed "Camillagate" and "Tampongate" by the press-> "dubbed " Camillagate" and " Tampongate"."
that was broadcast-> "broadcast"
after being formally advised by the Queen in December 1995 to end the marriage.- recommend shortening.
In a videotape recorded by Peter Settelen in 1992, Diana admitted that by 1986, she had been "deeply in love with someone who worked in this environment."[58][59] It is thought she was referring to Barry Mannakee,[60] who was transferred to the Diplomatic Protection Squad in 1986 after his managers had determined that his relationship with Diana had been inappropriate.- too long, and whilst relevant, Diana had other flings. Not directly related to Charles.
Charles and Diana's evident discomfort in each other's company led to them being dubbed "The Glums" by the press.
The couple shared custody of their children.
In 2008, The Daily Telegraph described Charles as the "hardest-working member of the royal family".- What The Telegraph said 15 years ago doesn't matter all that much.
In 1970, Charles visited Bermuda to mark the Parliament of Bermuda's 350th anniversary. In his speech to parliament and referring to the actions of Charles I, Charles joked, "Bearing in mind I am the first Charles to have anything to do with a Parliament for 350 years, I might have turned nasty and dissolved you".- It's a good story to tell, but otherwise not needed.
In 1981 he became the patron of the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, and in 2001 he placed a specially commissioned wreath, made from vegetation taken from French battlefields, at the Canadian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.- He became patron of a museum 42 years ago and laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Whilst the latter was a sombre event and should be treated respectfully, these things unfortunately don't hold much long-term significance.
He has attended official events in the United Kingdom in support of Commonwealth countries, such as the Christchurch earthquake memorial service at Westminster Abbey in 2011.- "
In 2013, Charles donated an unspecified sum of money to the British Red Cross Syria Crisis appeal and DEC Syria appeal, which is run by 14 British charities to help victims of the Syrian civil war. According to The Guardian, it is believed that after turning 65 years old in 2013, Charles donated his state pension to an unnamed charity that supports elderly people. In March 2014, Charles arranged for five million measles-rubella vaccinations for children in the Philippines on the outbreak of measles in South-East Asia. According to Clarence House, Charles was affected by news of the damage caused by Typhoon Yolanda in 2013. International Health Partners, of which he has been Patron since 2004, sent the vaccines, which are believed to protect five million children below the age of five from measles.
In the run up to Charles's visit, two Irish republican dissidents were arrested for planning a bomb attack. Semtex and rockets were found at the Dublin home of suspect Donal Ó Coisdealbha, member of a self-styled Óglaigh na hÉireann organisation, who was later jailed for five and a half years. He was connected to a veteran republican, Seamus McGrane of County Louth, a member of the Real IRA, who was jailed for 11 and a half years.- Given undue weight in this section.
Charles made frequent visits to Saudi Arabia in order to promote arms exports for companies such as BAE Systems. In 2013, 2014, and 2015, he met with the commander of Saudi Arabia's National Guard Mutaib bin Abdullah. In February 2014, he took part in a traditional sword dance with members of the Saudi royal family at the Janariyah festival in Riyadh. At the same festival, British arms company BAE Systems was honoured by Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz. Charles was criticised by Scottish MP Margaret Ferrier in 2016 over his role in the sale of Typhoon fighter jets to Saudi Arabia.[128] According to Charles's biographer Catherine Mayer, a Time magazine journalist who claims to have interviewed several sources from Charles's inner circle, he "doesn't like being used to market weaponry" in deals with Saudi Arabia and other Arab Gulf states. According to Mayer, Charles has only raised his objections to being used to sell weapons abroad in private.
In April 2021 and following a surge in COVID-19 cases in India, Charles issued a statement, announcing the launch of an emergency appeal for India by the British Asian Trust, of which he is the founder. The appeal, called Oxygen for India, helped with buying oxygen concentrators for hospitals in need.
On 25 March 2020, it was announced that Charles had contracted COVID-19 during the pandemic. He and his wife subsequently isolated at their Birkhall residence. Camilla was also tested but returned a negative result.[136][137] Clarence House stated that he showed "mild symptoms" but "remains in good health". They further explained, "It is not possible to ascertain from whom the prince caught the virus owing to the high number of engagements he carried out in his public role during recent weeks."[137] Several newspapers were critical that Charles and Camilla were tested promptly at a time when many NHS doctors, nurses and patients had been unable to be tested expeditiously.[138] On 30 March 2020, Clarence House announced that Charles had recovered from the virus, and that, after consulting his doctor, he was no longer isolating.[139] Two days later, he stated in a video that he would continue to practise social distancing.- Recentism. I would mention that he had COVID elsewhere in the article, but briefly, as it is notable that he contracted the disease; we would mention if Edward III had caught the Black Death, for example.
Plans for Charles's coronation have been made for many years, under the code name Operation Golden Orb. Reports before his accession suggested that Charles's coronation would be simpler and smaller in scale than his mother's in 1953, with the ceremony expected to be "shorter, smaller, less expensive and more representative of different faiths and community groups – falling in line with the King's wish to reflect the ethnic diversity of modern Britain. Nonetheless, the coronation will be a Church of England ceremony and will require a coronation oath, the anointment, the delivery of the orb and the enthronement" into past tense, we should remove it altogether as it will have served its purpose.
This speculation continued for a few hours following the death of Queen Elizabeth II, until Liz Truss announced and Clarence House confirmed that Charles would use the regnal name "Charles III".Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Philanthropy and charity
Personal interests
Media image
Residences and finance
Titles, styles, honours and arms
Issue
Ancestry
See also
Thanks for reading. - Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Tim has helpfully identified a number of existing related/subsidiary article, but very few of the sections -- as he points out, several of which are very likely infeasibly long -- currently have a {{ main}} hatnote. Do we need additional subsidiaries, or is this more of a case of not having joined the dots most effectively? 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 08:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
In 2003, Diana's butler Paul Burrell published a note that he claimed had been written by Diana in 1995, in which there were allegations that Charles was "planning 'an accident' in [Diana's] car, brake failure and serious head injury" so that he could marry again." and "
In 1995, he obtained an injunction that prevented a former housekeeper's memoirs from being published in the United Kingdom, although they eventually sold 100,000 copies in the United States."). Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I thank the editors that have already participated in this discussion; your contributions in the consensus-building do not go unnoticed and are, as always, very much appreciated. However, per WP:TF, a task force more or less needs 5-10 people or so to become effective. @ Surtsicna @ Peter Ormond @ Celia Homeford @ Cliffmore @ DeCausa @ Timothy N-F @ DrKay @ Amakuru @ Unlimitedlead @ Dudley Miles @ DDMS123, I don't know if you'd have anything to add to the sections above in order to achieve the article upgrade, but if you do, of course feel free to. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 22:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
[W]hen things have settled down", but the article is stable now. If it's because the coronation might destabilise the article (which I doubt) we should just agree on an oven-ready paragraph to put in on 6 May, similar to Elizabeth's "
Despite the death of Queen Mary on 24 March 1953, the coronation went ahead as planned on 2 June, as Mary had requested. The coronation ceremony in Westminster Abbey was televised for the first time, with the exception of the anointing and communion. On Elizabeth's instruction, her coronation gown was embroidered with the floral emblems of Commonwealth countries.". We can surely come up with a similar one, so that other editors don't stuff the article full of recentisms. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 17:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
AFAIK, nothing (yet) has been agreed on, to propose at Charles III's talkpage. GoodDay ( talk) 19:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I dropped a notification at the first of these, and candidly it seems to be far from the hive of activity I was hoping for. Doesn't seem likely it'll be helpful on the timescale we were initially looking at, and even in the longer term they might take the view of "B-Class?!! Loooxyuhry." I'm inclined to move to to the second, but it might have a certain desperate whiff of venue-shopping about it. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 16:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
If we want this to be done by May 6, we now need to push ahead and hold the RfC soon, ideally by tomorrow or by Monday. Would like to get some agreement on this as soon as possible. Pinging involved users: @ DDMS123: @ Векочел: @ Estar8806: @ Cliffmore: @ AKTC3: @ Miesianiacal: @ GoodDay: @ Timothy N-F: @ Surtsicna:. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 13:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
The article has come a long way, but I struggle to see how any biographical article that fails to mention the subject's last name anywhere in the prose, let alone in the lead, can be considered top quality. Surtsicna ( talk) 17:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
My position on the 'surname' topic, is already known. So, I won't repeat it 'here'. GoodDay ( talk) 23:14, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
@ GoodDay: @ 109.etc: @ Miesianiacal: - At the risk of jumping the gun again, I'm going to nominate Charles's article for GA. Any later seems to be cutting it a bit fine. I understand concerns about the way that the task force's goals have been carried out, but Charles's article, regardless of why or how, is much better than it was in March. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 17:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone, Just in case you'd like to contribute I've created a draft article related to Charles's Scottish coronation service at Draft:2023 Presentation of the Honours of Scotland if anyone has anything they'd like to add. Cheers, estar8806 ( talk) ★ 00:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. This discussion has been split off from Charles's talkpage in order to go into more detail about how to achieve its goal. It is an initiative to get HMTK's article to either "Good article" or "Featured article" class. Below will be a breakdown of the article by section which can serve as a suggestion on how to improve it. This will require discussion and consensus-building from other editors on how best to go about this.
Possible issues:
Without wanting to reopen the can of worms of the first sentence, I think there's a small tweak we could make to the second one. He was the longest-serving heir apparent and Prince of Wales, and at the age of 73, became the oldest person to accede to the British throne, upon the death of his mother, Elizabeth II, on 8 September 2022.
That's quite a lot of sentence, with a lot of subordination and relativisation. Bordering the run-on. To be fair several of them are related -- "man waits long time to become king" -- but I think the "upon the death of his mother, Elizabeth II" is honestly one more clause -- and two more commas -- than we sensibly need. Other "monarch" articles don't seem to use this formulation at all. Not
Elizabeth II, not
George VI -- a combo-breaker case, at that! -- not
George V. I recommend we move that into the fourth paragraph, thereby also giving the "reign" para a more logical and natural-reading beginning.
109.255.211.6 (
talk)
03:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary; born 21 April 1926) is Queen of the United Kingdom and 14 other Commonwealth realms." We should do the same for Charles, and just have "
Charles III (Charles Philip Arthur George; born 14 November 1948) is King of the United Kingdom and the 14 other Commonwealth realms" for the first paragraph, and when ( if) Charles dies, we can add some more detail there. William IV, the oldest king at the time of his accession, just has "
he inherited the throne when he was 64 years old" in paragraph 2. Edward VII, the longest serving heir apparent to accede until September has "
He was Prince of Wales and heir apparent to the British throne for almost 60 years" in paragraph 2. So yes, a briefer version should be included elsewhere in the lead. As you say, the fourth paragraph would be a natural place to put it. What would you think about the following?:
Charles inherited the throne of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms upon the death of his mother on September 8, 2022. At the age of 73, he was the oldest person to accede to the British throne, after having previously been the longest-serving heir apparent and Prince of Wales in British history. After brief speculation that he might choose a different regnal name, it was announced he would reign as Charles III. His coronation will take place on May 6, 2023."
it was announced" and "
prime minister Liz Truss announced". Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Charles III | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
![]() Charles in 2019 | |||||
King of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms [a] | |||||
Reign | 8 September 2022 – present | ||||
Predecessor | Elizabeth II | ||||
Heir apparent | William, Prince of Wales | ||||
Born | Prince Charles of Edinburgh 14 November 1948 Buckingham Palace, London, England, United Kingdom | ||||
Spouses | |||||
Issue | |||||
| |||||
House | Windsor | ||||
Father | Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh | ||||
Mother | Elizabeth II | ||||
Religion | Protestant [c] | ||||
Signature | Charles's signature in black ink | ||||
Head of the Commonwealth | |||||
Education | Gordonstoun School | ||||
Alma mater | Trinity College, Cambridge ( MA) | ||||
Military career | |||||
Allegiance | United Kingdom [d] | ||||
Service/ | |||||
Active service | 1971–1976 | ||||
Rank | See list | ||||
Commands held | HMS Bronington |
(Top-posted for the sake of maintaining same order as article.) 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 07:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
On a narrower point, the IB starts like:
Which is essentially saying two things of due weight (pic of the subject of the article; his primary notability) in five fields. I think HoC is wholly misplaced. It should be in the IB certainly (so I'm not proposing any "shortening" in this respect), but not in this "key points of the key points" header area. The others are merely somewhat redundant. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 09:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
@ 109.255.211.6: Could you give us a visual example, of what you're suggesting? GoodDay ( talk) 21:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
following in the footsteps of his father, grandfather and two of his great-grandfathers" as it doesn't provide much, as royals do typically serve in the forces, and Philip, George VI and Edward VIII's time in the RAF isn't noted despite Charles's service there too. I would also suggest the removal of "
requested and" and "
On 8 March 1971, he flew himself to the Royal Air Force College Cranwell to train as a jet pilot" as we don't need a blow-by-blow account of his training.
In June 1980, Charles officially turned down Chevening House, placed at his disposal since 1974, as his future residence. Chevening, a stately home in Kent, was bequeathed, along with an endowment, to the Crown by the last Earl Stanhope, Amanda's childless great-uncle, in the hope that Charles would eventually occupy it. In 1977, a newspaper report mistakenly announced his engagement to Princess Marie-Astrid of Luxembourg" as, whilst true and verified, isn't too important that he never lived in a specific house. It also wouldn't go amiss to slightly copyedit the third paragraph either.
[...] in February 1981 and their engagement became official on 24 February." - surely this doesn't need to be so wordy. Even a bit of punctuation would help.
[...] 29 July of that year.- we don't need "of that year", we just need "They married [...] on 29 July."
(known as "Harry")- just put "Harry" straight away.
(nee Shand)- unneeded clarification.
It is thought [...]- per WP:WEASEL.
British prime minister- remove altogether. " John Major" works fine on its own.
Parliament-> "the House of Commons"
which was dubbed "Camillagate" and "Tampongate" by the press-> "dubbed " Camillagate" and " Tampongate"."
that was broadcast-> "broadcast"
after being formally advised by the Queen in December 1995 to end the marriage.- recommend shortening.
In a videotape recorded by Peter Settelen in 1992, Diana admitted that by 1986, she had been "deeply in love with someone who worked in this environment."[58][59] It is thought she was referring to Barry Mannakee,[60] who was transferred to the Diplomatic Protection Squad in 1986 after his managers had determined that his relationship with Diana had been inappropriate.- too long, and whilst relevant, Diana had other flings. Not directly related to Charles.
Charles and Diana's evident discomfort in each other's company led to them being dubbed "The Glums" by the press.
The couple shared custody of their children.
In 2008, The Daily Telegraph described Charles as the "hardest-working member of the royal family".- What The Telegraph said 15 years ago doesn't matter all that much.
In 1970, Charles visited Bermuda to mark the Parliament of Bermuda's 350th anniversary. In his speech to parliament and referring to the actions of Charles I, Charles joked, "Bearing in mind I am the first Charles to have anything to do with a Parliament for 350 years, I might have turned nasty and dissolved you".- It's a good story to tell, but otherwise not needed.
In 1981 he became the patron of the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, and in 2001 he placed a specially commissioned wreath, made from vegetation taken from French battlefields, at the Canadian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.- He became patron of a museum 42 years ago and laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Whilst the latter was a sombre event and should be treated respectfully, these things unfortunately don't hold much long-term significance.
He has attended official events in the United Kingdom in support of Commonwealth countries, such as the Christchurch earthquake memorial service at Westminster Abbey in 2011.- "
In 2013, Charles donated an unspecified sum of money to the British Red Cross Syria Crisis appeal and DEC Syria appeal, which is run by 14 British charities to help victims of the Syrian civil war. According to The Guardian, it is believed that after turning 65 years old in 2013, Charles donated his state pension to an unnamed charity that supports elderly people. In March 2014, Charles arranged for five million measles-rubella vaccinations for children in the Philippines on the outbreak of measles in South-East Asia. According to Clarence House, Charles was affected by news of the damage caused by Typhoon Yolanda in 2013. International Health Partners, of which he has been Patron since 2004, sent the vaccines, which are believed to protect five million children below the age of five from measles.
In the run up to Charles's visit, two Irish republican dissidents were arrested for planning a bomb attack. Semtex and rockets were found at the Dublin home of suspect Donal Ó Coisdealbha, member of a self-styled Óglaigh na hÉireann organisation, who was later jailed for five and a half years. He was connected to a veteran republican, Seamus McGrane of County Louth, a member of the Real IRA, who was jailed for 11 and a half years.- Given undue weight in this section.
Charles made frequent visits to Saudi Arabia in order to promote arms exports for companies such as BAE Systems. In 2013, 2014, and 2015, he met with the commander of Saudi Arabia's National Guard Mutaib bin Abdullah. In February 2014, he took part in a traditional sword dance with members of the Saudi royal family at the Janariyah festival in Riyadh. At the same festival, British arms company BAE Systems was honoured by Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz. Charles was criticised by Scottish MP Margaret Ferrier in 2016 over his role in the sale of Typhoon fighter jets to Saudi Arabia.[128] According to Charles's biographer Catherine Mayer, a Time magazine journalist who claims to have interviewed several sources from Charles's inner circle, he "doesn't like being used to market weaponry" in deals with Saudi Arabia and other Arab Gulf states. According to Mayer, Charles has only raised his objections to being used to sell weapons abroad in private.
In April 2021 and following a surge in COVID-19 cases in India, Charles issued a statement, announcing the launch of an emergency appeal for India by the British Asian Trust, of which he is the founder. The appeal, called Oxygen for India, helped with buying oxygen concentrators for hospitals in need.
On 25 March 2020, it was announced that Charles had contracted COVID-19 during the pandemic. He and his wife subsequently isolated at their Birkhall residence. Camilla was also tested but returned a negative result.[136][137] Clarence House stated that he showed "mild symptoms" but "remains in good health". They further explained, "It is not possible to ascertain from whom the prince caught the virus owing to the high number of engagements he carried out in his public role during recent weeks."[137] Several newspapers were critical that Charles and Camilla were tested promptly at a time when many NHS doctors, nurses and patients had been unable to be tested expeditiously.[138] On 30 March 2020, Clarence House announced that Charles had recovered from the virus, and that, after consulting his doctor, he was no longer isolating.[139] Two days later, he stated in a video that he would continue to practise social distancing.- Recentism. I would mention that he had COVID elsewhere in the article, but briefly, as it is notable that he contracted the disease; we would mention if Edward III had caught the Black Death, for example.
Plans for Charles's coronation have been made for many years, under the code name Operation Golden Orb. Reports before his accession suggested that Charles's coronation would be simpler and smaller in scale than his mother's in 1953, with the ceremony expected to be "shorter, smaller, less expensive and more representative of different faiths and community groups – falling in line with the King's wish to reflect the ethnic diversity of modern Britain. Nonetheless, the coronation will be a Church of England ceremony and will require a coronation oath, the anointment, the delivery of the orb and the enthronement" into past tense, we should remove it altogether as it will have served its purpose.
This speculation continued for a few hours following the death of Queen Elizabeth II, until Liz Truss announced and Clarence House confirmed that Charles would use the regnal name "Charles III".Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Philanthropy and charity
Personal interests
Media image
Residences and finance
Titles, styles, honours and arms
Issue
Ancestry
See also
Thanks for reading. - Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Tim has helpfully identified a number of existing related/subsidiary article, but very few of the sections -- as he points out, several of which are very likely infeasibly long -- currently have a {{ main}} hatnote. Do we need additional subsidiaries, or is this more of a case of not having joined the dots most effectively? 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 08:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
In 2003, Diana's butler Paul Burrell published a note that he claimed had been written by Diana in 1995, in which there were allegations that Charles was "planning 'an accident' in [Diana's] car, brake failure and serious head injury" so that he could marry again." and "
In 1995, he obtained an injunction that prevented a former housekeeper's memoirs from being published in the United Kingdom, although they eventually sold 100,000 copies in the United States."). Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 18:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I thank the editors that have already participated in this discussion; your contributions in the consensus-building do not go unnoticed and are, as always, very much appreciated. However, per WP:TF, a task force more or less needs 5-10 people or so to become effective. @ Surtsicna @ Peter Ormond @ Celia Homeford @ Cliffmore @ DeCausa @ Timothy N-F @ DrKay @ Amakuru @ Unlimitedlead @ Dudley Miles @ DDMS123, I don't know if you'd have anything to add to the sections above in order to achieve the article upgrade, but if you do, of course feel free to. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 22:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
[W]hen things have settled down", but the article is stable now. If it's because the coronation might destabilise the article (which I doubt) we should just agree on an oven-ready paragraph to put in on 6 May, similar to Elizabeth's "
Despite the death of Queen Mary on 24 March 1953, the coronation went ahead as planned on 2 June, as Mary had requested. The coronation ceremony in Westminster Abbey was televised for the first time, with the exception of the anointing and communion. On Elizabeth's instruction, her coronation gown was embroidered with the floral emblems of Commonwealth countries.". We can surely come up with a similar one, so that other editors don't stuff the article full of recentisms. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 17:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
AFAIK, nothing (yet) has been agreed on, to propose at Charles III's talkpage. GoodDay ( talk) 19:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I dropped a notification at the first of these, and candidly it seems to be far from the hive of activity I was hoping for. Doesn't seem likely it'll be helpful on the timescale we were initially looking at, and even in the longer term they might take the view of "B-Class?!! Loooxyuhry." I'm inclined to move to to the second, but it might have a certain desperate whiff of venue-shopping about it. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 16:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
If we want this to be done by May 6, we now need to push ahead and hold the RfC soon, ideally by tomorrow or by Monday. Would like to get some agreement on this as soon as possible. Pinging involved users: @ DDMS123: @ Векочел: @ Estar8806: @ Cliffmore: @ AKTC3: @ Miesianiacal: @ GoodDay: @ Timothy N-F: @ Surtsicna:. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 13:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
The article has come a long way, but I struggle to see how any biographical article that fails to mention the subject's last name anywhere in the prose, let alone in the lead, can be considered top quality. Surtsicna ( talk) 17:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
My position on the 'surname' topic, is already known. So, I won't repeat it 'here'. GoodDay ( talk) 23:14, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
@ GoodDay: @ 109.etc: @ Miesianiacal: - At the risk of jumping the gun again, I'm going to nominate Charles's article for GA. Any later seems to be cutting it a bit fine. I understand concerns about the way that the task force's goals have been carried out, but Charles's article, regardless of why or how, is much better than it was in March. Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 17:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone, Just in case you'd like to contribute I've created a draft article related to Charles's Scottish coronation service at Draft:2023 Presentation of the Honours of Scotland if anyone has anything they'd like to add. Cheers, estar8806 ( talk) ★ 00:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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