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OK folks,
World Bird Names calls all members of Amazona Amazons rather than Parrot, but still seems to consider "Conure" a nomina non grata for some reason....Anyone have any issue with me renaming all the species Amazons (as does Forshaw)? The AOU (a North American organisation) still calls them (South Amercian birds) "Parrots", and the IOC say they are listening to AOU argue for the changing of North American bird names.....cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 11:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I photographed this in mangroves near Morón, Cuba last month and can't identify it. I even went as far as producing the list of Cuban birds to try and narrow it down, but no luck. Sorry for the lack of scale, it was probably about 2 ft head to tail. Any ideas? Yomangani talk 15:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
What's all the carry on about creating redirects? Is there any need to create a redirect for Blackbird at blackbird? They both link to the same article do they not? Richard001 03:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This page is getting a lot of edits (mostly from anon IPs) due to the ongoing conservation/development battle in Grenada regarding the selling of a reserve to create a resort. I suspect it'll need some cleaning and bias factchecking. I'll have a go at this later but would appreciate other eyes to watch it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Any ideas? It was put into Common Raven but questioned. It seems kind of slight to me, but the bill is thick enough. Anyone have a bird book of Japan? Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I can see that many of you have uploaded a number of photos. I am currently working mostly on wikispecies and trying to fill out the bird section. If you add new bird photos would you be willing to put them on commons so that we can link to them from wikispecies? Thanks so much Open2universe 00:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Please be aware of the proposed Species microformat, particularly in relation to taxoboxes. Comments welcome on the wiki at that link. Andy Mabbett 11:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've listed Kereru as a GA nominee, so if you haven't contributed please feel free to rip into it...cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 06:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Bird song may be a little restrictive and perhaps we could incorporate a few other topics if the article was instead termed Bird vocalization. This would include things like call mimicry, call semantics, acoustic niches, behavioural isolation and the use of vocalization in systematics etcetera. Comments please. Shyamal 14:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has remarkably stayed unimproved for a long long time. While bird covers the facts, this article should cover the fact-finding. This could presumably have more on history, field and laboratory techniques. The article could outline and link to other main articles matter including
and species.
Shyamal 06:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm having problems with Tinkling Cisticola.
SASOL, Roberts & ITIS have these species
whereas Birdlife international, Avibase & HBW have
Tinkling Cisticola therefore appears to refer to two different species. I can’t see any obvious evidence that the confusion arises from a taxonomic split, so I’m a bit baffled. At present, I’ve written the one I’ve seen, Levaillant's Cisticola, and created Tinkling Cisticola as a disambiguation page with Grey Cisticola red-linked. Any alternative suggestions or clarification would be welcome. jimfbleak 09:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A lot of redirect pages' talk pages have the BirdTalk box. Is this OK? Dixonsej16:24 13 May 2007
Gorgeted Puffleg. Critically endangered too. At least we discovered it before it went extinct. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Why does the chart say to make a redirect from blackbird to Blackbird? Redirects from lowercase single words to uppercase single words are technically impossible, because the Wiki software automatically redirects anyway. Try clicking on blackbird and reading the URL.
And why should the convention be to make everything uppercase? I don't think the rationale of avoiding confusion with common terms to be that compelling. Take Bald Eagle, which is mentioned here, as an example. Nearly all the articles it links have it as "bald eagle." Within the article itself, there are several lowercase instances, showing how confusing this rule is to editors. Is this really a "convention of ornithology"? A quick Google Scholar search shows that scientific (presumably ornithological) journals all have it as lowercase. -- JianLi 04:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Avibase has lists of birds for all the world's countries, which is a good starting point for generating articles of the "list of birds of..." variety. User:Yomangani has generated dozens of these semi-automatically. However, these lists are unreliable (eg African Reed Warbler on the Luxembourg list.
Avibase uses US nomenclature and style eg Common Loon, African Reed-Warbler throughout the world. If I grit my teeth, I can live with that, except that the American names often refer to different subspecies or even species. For example Black Scoter appears on all the European country lists except those I produced, but Common Scoter doesn't.
Yomagani said he would produce a bot to fix at least the name problems, but hasn't done so. I lack the skills to do that and I'm disinclined to go through all the lists by hand. Any ideas? jimfbleak 07:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I made nestling, a re-direct to chick. Is there a better target? Andy Mabbett 14:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I just found out that there is a separate wiki called Birds Wiki at http://birds.wikia.com/. It is an encyclopedia that aims to provide a better understanding of birds. Currently, I am the only person that is writing articles for it, and I would like some help. If anyone would like to join this wiki, just go to the site and start editing. You can go to my talk page on Birds Wiki and tell me if you want to help with it if you would like (optional). Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia, but now let's go and create an encyclopedia specifically about birds! ~ ɸSwannieɸ 21:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The taxonomy part really needs cleanup. Shyamal 04:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Stopping by from WP:DINO to say good luck on your FAC! May both of our Projects one day have as many featured articles as the freakin Hurricane Project!! Heh. Sheep81 05:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I've created a new article called flight feathers, and would like to suggest a redirect of Remiges/ Rectrices/ Pinion (feather) and THEIR associated redirects, as the new article will give the reader a far more thorough coverage of the subject. Any objections? MeegsC | Talk 17:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been messing around with some of the citations possibilities available on Wikipedia, and I'm wondering if we might want to switch to the HARVARD citation method rather than cite book etc. The reason I suggest this is that MUCH less information needs to go into the article itself, making it far less of a hassle to edit a well-referenced piece. Basically, you just put < ref> {{Harvnb|LastNameAuthor1|PublicationYear|p=pagenumber}}</ref > The only information you MUST enter is the author's last name and the year of the publication. You can still put ref name = "whatever" if you're going to refer to the same article more than once, and you can list up to four author names. So, for instance <ref name= "Raptors"> {{Harvnb|Ferguson-Lees|Christie|2001|p=23}}</ref>. (This would yield Ferguson-Lees & Christie 2001, p. 23.) You can use the same <reflist|3}} template we're using now to create a Citations section, then add a Reference section with the expanded information that we're currently pasting into the article itself. You can still jump back and forth between the article and citations section like you can with cite book, and can also jump from Citations down to the reference section. (See the new Flight Feathers article if you want to see how it works -- but please be aware that I haven't put all the citations into the reference section yet, so a few may not work.) The only problem I see so far is that you can't easily indicate authors for something like HBW, which has many authors each contributing single chapters -- but then, we don't individually identify them now either, so I guess it's not really a problem! Food for thought... MeegsC | Talk 23:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to get some clarification on the policy on capital letters. These edits of mine were reverted and this policy was cited as giving an explanation as to why capitalization is the right thing here. I understand the policy to cover article titles, not the body - the first article I check, Kingfisher, includes sentences like "The kingfishers were traditionally treated as one family", with a lower-case "k". I don't want to get into a revert war, so any guidance people can offer would be gratefully received — ciphergoth 14:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm relatively new to this discussion, but I wonder if the preference for "Bald Eagle" is a British convention v. an American convention, given that editors who prefer "Bald Eagle" tend to use the English version of "capitalization." Are there Americans out there who favor "Bald Eagle." On this side of the pond (i.e. the American side), "Bald Eagle" seems quite an unconventional affectation. Andrew73 21:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Bird migration. A hard one, so later on we'll need to do some planning and lists of what needs doing to the article. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Way to go, Common Raven collaboration team!! I see it's been awarded FA status -- and deservedly so. Well done everybody! MeegsC | Talk 10:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I just found the long-lost template I needed! You may have noted that I, like some other folks, resorted to bolding to make the authors more "visible" in long references lists. But this is awkward. This sweet piece of markup:
{{aut| }}
will turn everything behind the | into small caps, as most scientific journals' reference lists do. It is a good piece of code, works like a charm in < ref > footnotes too and can handle internal links, for example if you want to cite something by
Sibley &
Ahlquist. This is the tool to make reference lists easier to browse and more professional-looking!
It does not work in cite templates, obviously, but small caps could simply be implemented there (if people would stop for once trying to build the megalomaniac uber cite template and do something that is usable IRL for a change ;-) )
Dysmorodrepanis
15:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
So, I'm engaged in a (trivial) argument over at African Finfoot about the placement of the image. Another user has placed it outside and above the taxobox rather than in it. As far as I've been aware the image should go in the taxobox or somewhere else, not above it. So, like, thoughts are appreciated. Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
There are no rules about this, but the concensus, as far as I can tell from the majority of bird and animal articles that exist on Wikipedia, is that if there is one image it goes inside the taxobox. One editor currently disagrees and is adding multiple (very attractive) images outside the taxoboxes along with a edit summary stating Image added - please do not place it in taxobox!!. So I was wondering what people thought and how we should deal with this? We need some kind of consensus. Personally I think they look better in the taxoboxes. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
OK folks,
World Bird Names calls all members of Amazona Amazons rather than Parrot, but still seems to consider "Conure" a nomina non grata for some reason....Anyone have any issue with me renaming all the species Amazons (as does Forshaw)? The AOU (a North American organisation) still calls them (South Amercian birds) "Parrots", and the IOC say they are listening to AOU argue for the changing of North American bird names.....cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 11:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I photographed this in mangroves near Morón, Cuba last month and can't identify it. I even went as far as producing the list of Cuban birds to try and narrow it down, but no luck. Sorry for the lack of scale, it was probably about 2 ft head to tail. Any ideas? Yomangani talk 15:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
What's all the carry on about creating redirects? Is there any need to create a redirect for Blackbird at blackbird? They both link to the same article do they not? Richard001 03:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This page is getting a lot of edits (mostly from anon IPs) due to the ongoing conservation/development battle in Grenada regarding the selling of a reserve to create a resort. I suspect it'll need some cleaning and bias factchecking. I'll have a go at this later but would appreciate other eyes to watch it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Any ideas? It was put into Common Raven but questioned. It seems kind of slight to me, but the bill is thick enough. Anyone have a bird book of Japan? Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I can see that many of you have uploaded a number of photos. I am currently working mostly on wikispecies and trying to fill out the bird section. If you add new bird photos would you be willing to put them on commons so that we can link to them from wikispecies? Thanks so much Open2universe 00:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Please be aware of the proposed Species microformat, particularly in relation to taxoboxes. Comments welcome on the wiki at that link. Andy Mabbett 11:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've listed Kereru as a GA nominee, so if you haven't contributed please feel free to rip into it...cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 06:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Bird song may be a little restrictive and perhaps we could incorporate a few other topics if the article was instead termed Bird vocalization. This would include things like call mimicry, call semantics, acoustic niches, behavioural isolation and the use of vocalization in systematics etcetera. Comments please. Shyamal 14:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has remarkably stayed unimproved for a long long time. While bird covers the facts, this article should cover the fact-finding. This could presumably have more on history, field and laboratory techniques. The article could outline and link to other main articles matter including
and species.
Shyamal 06:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm having problems with Tinkling Cisticola.
SASOL, Roberts & ITIS have these species
whereas Birdlife international, Avibase & HBW have
Tinkling Cisticola therefore appears to refer to two different species. I can’t see any obvious evidence that the confusion arises from a taxonomic split, so I’m a bit baffled. At present, I’ve written the one I’ve seen, Levaillant's Cisticola, and created Tinkling Cisticola as a disambiguation page with Grey Cisticola red-linked. Any alternative suggestions or clarification would be welcome. jimfbleak 09:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
A lot of redirect pages' talk pages have the BirdTalk box. Is this OK? Dixonsej16:24 13 May 2007
Gorgeted Puffleg. Critically endangered too. At least we discovered it before it went extinct. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Why does the chart say to make a redirect from blackbird to Blackbird? Redirects from lowercase single words to uppercase single words are technically impossible, because the Wiki software automatically redirects anyway. Try clicking on blackbird and reading the URL.
And why should the convention be to make everything uppercase? I don't think the rationale of avoiding confusion with common terms to be that compelling. Take Bald Eagle, which is mentioned here, as an example. Nearly all the articles it links have it as "bald eagle." Within the article itself, there are several lowercase instances, showing how confusing this rule is to editors. Is this really a "convention of ornithology"? A quick Google Scholar search shows that scientific (presumably ornithological) journals all have it as lowercase. -- JianLi 04:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Avibase has lists of birds for all the world's countries, which is a good starting point for generating articles of the "list of birds of..." variety. User:Yomangani has generated dozens of these semi-automatically. However, these lists are unreliable (eg African Reed Warbler on the Luxembourg list.
Avibase uses US nomenclature and style eg Common Loon, African Reed-Warbler throughout the world. If I grit my teeth, I can live with that, except that the American names often refer to different subspecies or even species. For example Black Scoter appears on all the European country lists except those I produced, but Common Scoter doesn't.
Yomagani said he would produce a bot to fix at least the name problems, but hasn't done so. I lack the skills to do that and I'm disinclined to go through all the lists by hand. Any ideas? jimfbleak 07:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I made nestling, a re-direct to chick. Is there a better target? Andy Mabbett 14:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I just found out that there is a separate wiki called Birds Wiki at http://birds.wikia.com/. It is an encyclopedia that aims to provide a better understanding of birds. Currently, I am the only person that is writing articles for it, and I would like some help. If anyone would like to join this wiki, just go to the site and start editing. You can go to my talk page on Birds Wiki and tell me if you want to help with it if you would like (optional). Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia, but now let's go and create an encyclopedia specifically about birds! ~ ɸSwannieɸ 21:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The taxonomy part really needs cleanup. Shyamal 04:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Stopping by from WP:DINO to say good luck on your FAC! May both of our Projects one day have as many featured articles as the freakin Hurricane Project!! Heh. Sheep81 05:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I've created a new article called flight feathers, and would like to suggest a redirect of Remiges/ Rectrices/ Pinion (feather) and THEIR associated redirects, as the new article will give the reader a far more thorough coverage of the subject. Any objections? MeegsC | Talk 17:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been messing around with some of the citations possibilities available on Wikipedia, and I'm wondering if we might want to switch to the HARVARD citation method rather than cite book etc. The reason I suggest this is that MUCH less information needs to go into the article itself, making it far less of a hassle to edit a well-referenced piece. Basically, you just put < ref> {{Harvnb|LastNameAuthor1|PublicationYear|p=pagenumber}}</ref > The only information you MUST enter is the author's last name and the year of the publication. You can still put ref name = "whatever" if you're going to refer to the same article more than once, and you can list up to four author names. So, for instance <ref name= "Raptors"> {{Harvnb|Ferguson-Lees|Christie|2001|p=23}}</ref>. (This would yield Ferguson-Lees & Christie 2001, p. 23.) You can use the same <reflist|3}} template we're using now to create a Citations section, then add a Reference section with the expanded information that we're currently pasting into the article itself. You can still jump back and forth between the article and citations section like you can with cite book, and can also jump from Citations down to the reference section. (See the new Flight Feathers article if you want to see how it works -- but please be aware that I haven't put all the citations into the reference section yet, so a few may not work.) The only problem I see so far is that you can't easily indicate authors for something like HBW, which has many authors each contributing single chapters -- but then, we don't individually identify them now either, so I guess it's not really a problem! Food for thought... MeegsC | Talk 23:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to get some clarification on the policy on capital letters. These edits of mine were reverted and this policy was cited as giving an explanation as to why capitalization is the right thing here. I understand the policy to cover article titles, not the body - the first article I check, Kingfisher, includes sentences like "The kingfishers were traditionally treated as one family", with a lower-case "k". I don't want to get into a revert war, so any guidance people can offer would be gratefully received — ciphergoth 14:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm relatively new to this discussion, but I wonder if the preference for "Bald Eagle" is a British convention v. an American convention, given that editors who prefer "Bald Eagle" tend to use the English version of "capitalization." Are there Americans out there who favor "Bald Eagle." On this side of the pond (i.e. the American side), "Bald Eagle" seems quite an unconventional affectation. Andrew73 21:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Bird migration. A hard one, so later on we'll need to do some planning and lists of what needs doing to the article. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Way to go, Common Raven collaboration team!! I see it's been awarded FA status -- and deservedly so. Well done everybody! MeegsC | Talk 10:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I just found the long-lost template I needed! You may have noted that I, like some other folks, resorted to bolding to make the authors more "visible" in long references lists. But this is awkward. This sweet piece of markup:
{{aut| }}
will turn everything behind the | into small caps, as most scientific journals' reference lists do. It is a good piece of code, works like a charm in < ref > footnotes too and can handle internal links, for example if you want to cite something by
Sibley &
Ahlquist. This is the tool to make reference lists easier to browse and more professional-looking!
It does not work in cite templates, obviously, but small caps could simply be implemented there (if people would stop for once trying to build the megalomaniac uber cite template and do something that is usable IRL for a change ;-) )
Dysmorodrepanis
15:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
So, I'm engaged in a (trivial) argument over at African Finfoot about the placement of the image. Another user has placed it outside and above the taxobox rather than in it. As far as I've been aware the image should go in the taxobox or somewhere else, not above it. So, like, thoughts are appreciated. Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
There are no rules about this, but the concensus, as far as I can tell from the majority of bird and animal articles that exist on Wikipedia, is that if there is one image it goes inside the taxobox. One editor currently disagrees and is adding multiple (very attractive) images outside the taxoboxes along with a edit summary stating Image added - please do not place it in taxobox!!. So I was wondering what people thought and how we should deal with this? We need some kind of consensus. Personally I think they look better in the taxoboxes. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)