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The treatment in Christidis and Boles is interesting. I have added a summary to the Hieraaetus article and hope it is accurate, but it does not seem to fit in with some of the other sections in the article which are confusing and could do with some historic perspective and commentary. Shyamal ( talk) 15:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Could someone just check the taxobox image of this bird? It looks rather like a Cattle Egret to me, but I'm not 100%. Aviceda talk 18:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there anyway to count the number of hits that this article has had since December? Grantus4504 ( talk) 23:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Vinaceous Amazon is a possible DYK with hooks about its name and wine coloured chest or its rarity. 90 words today. Snowman ( talk) 13:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Does someone remember why Bird colony and Seabird colony have been kept apart ? Shyamal ( talk) 14:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This image is currently used at bird strike with a caption indicating that the bird is a "type of crane" - I think we can go further and state that it's a Common Crane - what do others think? SP-KP ( talk) 16:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
You're right - Demoiselle is the other geographical possibility; I ruled that out because the outline of the white patch seemed to fit Common but not Demoiselle, where it tapers narrowly to the eye. SP-KP ( talk) 17:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, no objectors, so I've updated the caption, and also added a note at the Wikimedia source page. SP-KP ( talk) 17:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
You all are being new fangled. This is the Enlgish language, not German. TCO ( talk) 14:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
The bird workers should not trump the rest of the human race. Any group in a specialized area could decide to start capitalizing all their words. Maybe tools: Monkey Wrench and Jigsaw. TCO ( talk) 23:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Individual animals are proper nouns. The animal itself is not. The push for capitalizing species could as easily be taken to any classes of thing. Maybe subjects in school: Math, Chemistry, etc. It is only a very recent and trendy thing with the birdwatchers to try to capitalize English names of birds (and now they want to extend it to animals...and perhaps tools soon also). I just googled a bunch of general grammar sources and they say only capitalize English species names if there is a person or place in the name (and just that part). It's a dog, not a Dog. Wikipedia should follow GENERAL usage...not some trendy faddy trying to change things usage. TCO ( talk) 15:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The Rocky Mountains is a place (a proper noun), but mountain or hill or valley are not. Flicka is a proper noun. Horse is not. TCO ( talk) 02:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Phoebetria fusca, Sooty Albatross, Phoebetria palpebrata and Light-mantled Albatross all redirect to Sooty albatross, a genus-level page which says that there are two species, P. fusca, Light-mantled Sooty Albatross, and P. palpebrata, Dark-mantled Sooty Albatross. Either we are missing two species articles, or the Sooty albatross page is incorrect/not generally accepted. I know nothing about albatross taxonomy, but the current situation cannot be correct. jimfbleak ( talk) 14:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
We're now down to 6666 articles needing photos. I'm currently keeping a log of my requests at Flickr and will write up some results in a month or two. It will include whether I got a reply or not, and if so how long it took and whether they changed it or not. I'm also keeping track of whether I ultimately get a photo of the species if a particular person says no. What we also need is some info on what % of bird species there actually are photos for there (and for here). Richard001 ( talk) 02:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
The image recently uploaded to the Kelp Gull taxobox File:Larus_dominicanus_Bruny_Island.jpg was actually a Pacific Gull and is wrongly labelled on Commons, Could the person(s) that uploaded the image to the Kelp Gull article please take more care in identifying their species....they are fairly easy to tell apart by bill-shape alone! Aviceda talk 09:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I expanded Crested Penguin fivefold (just) to be eligible for DYK. If someone wants to make a nice species table like the one in banded penguin they would be appreciated, as well as adding further info or suggesting an alternate DYK hook. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I know some editors have commented on the lack of sounds and calls on bird articles. Well, I'm off to Vanuatu in March and in addition to taking my camera to get some of the local endemics I was thinking of picking up a digital recorder to record some birdsong and calls. Can anyone point me in the direction of a fairly small low end one that will at least do the basics (maybe playback to entice in the more wary species) or a site that discusses it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
[Deindent] Do many digital [video] cameras allow recording of audio only? You can strip out the audio alone if the video isn't any good, but it's rather contrived to do so. Being able to record sound alone is convenient. Richard001 ( talk) 09:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Have tried to upgrade Yellow-rumped Flycatcher a bit and in the process noticed that Ficedula elisae seems to be a full species per worldbirdnames.org and others and there seems to be too little information out there to split it out of the Narcissus Flycatcher page. Shyamal ( talk) 11:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I've finally added some song to the Winter Wren (Spurred on by the above discussion about Digital Sound Recorders). Is there a recommended way to add an audio file to and article? I looked at a few different bird articles ( Canada Goose, Northern Pintail, House Wren, Common Blackbird), and they all handled audio files in a different way. Would it be heplful to have at example on the Project pages? Grantus4504 ( talk) 17:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
This guy is adding Audubon images to everything in sight. He is sourcing them to RestoredPrints.com, and says they hold the copyright. I believe that this is correct, since the prints are restored and corrected and not just faithful photographic images as required for PD-Art. He is saying that the prints are PD with attribution, but the site claims copyright. Just a heads-up to watch him jimfbleak ( talk) 07:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I made the redlinked Large-billed Sparrow into a redirect to Savannah Sparrow, which is where all the info is. However, that article says Large-billed is a good species. If that is accepted, someone with US resources might like to write a proper page. If Large-billed is just a ssp, the Savannah article needs a rewrite jimfbleak ( talk) 16:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
[2] This is a great resource for learning how to make Sonograms of birdsong from .wav files. The author has a collection of bird song recordings from Southern Tuscany.
His copyright notice says "Copyright(??): all recordings and sonograms have been made by the author. Everyone can freely download, copy and reproduce them. Please, if you will use this material on the Internet, insert a link to this web site. The quality and size of the sound files are obviously reduced from the original 48KHz digitized samples. If someone is interested to the original full-length samples, he/she can send a mail and I'll be happy to provide the requested file."
I've e-mailed him to ask if I can upload his files to commons - his files are .wav so I'll have to convert them to .ogg first. Do you think I should request the orginal samples?
The sonograms use a program called SeaWave which is available from this site - [3] Grantus4504 ( talk) 14:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Requested move: Bird of paradise (disambiguation) → Bird of paradise. Please read and contribute to survey here. -- Una Smith ( talk) 23:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I have made a more request to move the page "Birds of Paradise" to "Bird of paradise". Headings are generally the singular form. Discussion started at Talk:Birds of Paradise. Snowman ( talk) 00:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I hope this gets put into the correct location.
In the photo gallery for the Hairy Woodpecker, images #1, 2, and 4 are suspect. Read my coments on the page to see the research I've done (basically pestering other people), but at the very least, they are proving to be questionable enough to NOT make good reference photos.
Thanks Vulture19 ( talk) 18:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for all the help that edged this to its gold star jimfbleak ( talk) 19:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Could you take a look on that page?, the genus information (Drepanis) its in the history, but now it is a disambiguation page. Thanks -- Erfil ( talk) 19:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that Wikipedia should change its naming conventions for organism articles to require scientific names, and this suggestion should be discussed fully at Wikipedia naming conventions. -- KP Botany ( talk) 19:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 ( t, c) 21:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Been working on the
Penduline tits and I was wondering about the placement of that particular little African anomaly. It gets thrown into
Cettiidae based (or at least cited by) Sefc 2003, but the paper, while mentioned in the 2008 HBW treatment, doesn't seem to have convinced the author (who called for more DNA studies and refers to teh Green Hylia as "unrelated"). You've often commented on the reliability of papers in the past, any thoughts on this one?
Sabine's Sunbird
talk 04:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
[P]lacements of the Pholidornis/Hylia clade in our analyses included sister relationships with Cisticolidae, Acrocephalus, Phylloscopus, or a clade comprising Phylloscopus and Aegithalos. None of our analyses grouped Pholidornis and Hylia with the remizid Anthoscopus, as proposed on behavioural grounds.
In case anyone has any strong feeling one way or the other, they're taking a "straw poll" over at WP:Tree of Life as to whether scientific names should be bolded the first time they occur in an article about a biological entity. Any setting of policy that results could impact the project (albeit in a very minor way), so chime in if you're interested... MeegsC | Talk 23:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've taken my camera outside jimfbleak ( talk) 10:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I was recently birding in the Meehan Range area in Southern Tasmania when I came across this quite unique looking robin, any help with an ID would be greatly appreciated, Flying Freddy ( talk) 14:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I should probably add that unlike the usual suspects for red breasted robins (scarlet and flame) this guy's plumage was a remarkable shade of orange. Flying Freddy ( talk) 14:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Looks like a female Scarlet to me Freddy [ [4]] but could be a Flame. Aviceda talk 20:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
South America is not on my radar but a chance finding of Postilla ( http://www.archive.org/details/postilla150peab) led to me to upgrade this article. Quite fascinated to learn that this bird makes an island using a ton of pebbles and then nests on it. Hope we have some South Americans in this group. Shyamal ( talk) 03:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Needs to be merged with a special section for the saga. Shyamal ( talk) 10:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Crescent Honeyeater is picture of the day. Unfortunately the article says see: Phylidonyris pyrrhopterus. Can these two pages be merged? How do you make Phylidonyris pyrrhopterus redirect to Crescent Honeyeater? Grantus4504 ( talk) 10:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Anyone care to comment on the scope of this category and its intended purpose? This is in relation to Alan Brooke, 1st Viscount Alanbrooke's inclusion on it, and some related discussion at User talk:69.209.78.94.
Do biographical articles requiring work on their bird-related content belong in this cat? Thanks Andy Dingley ( talk) 23:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
What does everyone think about me going through the participants list and removing anybody who hasn't edited anywhere on Wikipedia in the past six months? (Or should I make it a year?) I've removed those who've put a "Retired" notification on their user pages, but many just seem to drop off the face of the earth! Having just sent out a zillion newsletters—some to people who don't appear to be active anymore—I'm particularly conscious of how many there are now. MeegsC | Talk 21:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the WP Birds main page (and/or membership page) should state that members who have not been active for six months (or one year) will be removed from the list, but may be reinstated on request. Alternatively, they could be placed in a linked subpage called something like "WP Bird members who have not been active for at least six months" As this would be a new policy, I suggest that a relevant notice is posted on the main page (and/or membership page) for one month prior to removing (or listing on "inactive for six months subpage") anyone who has not announced that they have retired. This is in the interests of openness. Also, I think that there should be a consensus on this before it is rolled out, and ideally there would be more than five people expressing opinions. Snowman ( talk) 15:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
The treatment in Christidis and Boles is interesting. I have added a summary to the Hieraaetus article and hope it is accurate, but it does not seem to fit in with some of the other sections in the article which are confusing and could do with some historic perspective and commentary. Shyamal ( talk) 15:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Could someone just check the taxobox image of this bird? It looks rather like a Cattle Egret to me, but I'm not 100%. Aviceda talk 18:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there anyway to count the number of hits that this article has had since December? Grantus4504 ( talk) 23:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Vinaceous Amazon is a possible DYK with hooks about its name and wine coloured chest or its rarity. 90 words today. Snowman ( talk) 13:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Does someone remember why Bird colony and Seabird colony have been kept apart ? Shyamal ( talk) 14:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This image is currently used at bird strike with a caption indicating that the bird is a "type of crane" - I think we can go further and state that it's a Common Crane - what do others think? SP-KP ( talk) 16:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
You're right - Demoiselle is the other geographical possibility; I ruled that out because the outline of the white patch seemed to fit Common but not Demoiselle, where it tapers narrowly to the eye. SP-KP ( talk) 17:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, no objectors, so I've updated the caption, and also added a note at the Wikimedia source page. SP-KP ( talk) 17:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
You all are being new fangled. This is the Enlgish language, not German. TCO ( talk) 14:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
The bird workers should not trump the rest of the human race. Any group in a specialized area could decide to start capitalizing all their words. Maybe tools: Monkey Wrench and Jigsaw. TCO ( talk) 23:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Individual animals are proper nouns. The animal itself is not. The push for capitalizing species could as easily be taken to any classes of thing. Maybe subjects in school: Math, Chemistry, etc. It is only a very recent and trendy thing with the birdwatchers to try to capitalize English names of birds (and now they want to extend it to animals...and perhaps tools soon also). I just googled a bunch of general grammar sources and they say only capitalize English species names if there is a person or place in the name (and just that part). It's a dog, not a Dog. Wikipedia should follow GENERAL usage...not some trendy faddy trying to change things usage. TCO ( talk) 15:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The Rocky Mountains is a place (a proper noun), but mountain or hill or valley are not. Flicka is a proper noun. Horse is not. TCO ( talk) 02:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Phoebetria fusca, Sooty Albatross, Phoebetria palpebrata and Light-mantled Albatross all redirect to Sooty albatross, a genus-level page which says that there are two species, P. fusca, Light-mantled Sooty Albatross, and P. palpebrata, Dark-mantled Sooty Albatross. Either we are missing two species articles, or the Sooty albatross page is incorrect/not generally accepted. I know nothing about albatross taxonomy, but the current situation cannot be correct. jimfbleak ( talk) 14:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
We're now down to 6666 articles needing photos. I'm currently keeping a log of my requests at Flickr and will write up some results in a month or two. It will include whether I got a reply or not, and if so how long it took and whether they changed it or not. I'm also keeping track of whether I ultimately get a photo of the species if a particular person says no. What we also need is some info on what % of bird species there actually are photos for there (and for here). Richard001 ( talk) 02:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
The image recently uploaded to the Kelp Gull taxobox File:Larus_dominicanus_Bruny_Island.jpg was actually a Pacific Gull and is wrongly labelled on Commons, Could the person(s) that uploaded the image to the Kelp Gull article please take more care in identifying their species....they are fairly easy to tell apart by bill-shape alone! Aviceda talk 09:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I expanded Crested Penguin fivefold (just) to be eligible for DYK. If someone wants to make a nice species table like the one in banded penguin they would be appreciated, as well as adding further info or suggesting an alternate DYK hook. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I know some editors have commented on the lack of sounds and calls on bird articles. Well, I'm off to Vanuatu in March and in addition to taking my camera to get some of the local endemics I was thinking of picking up a digital recorder to record some birdsong and calls. Can anyone point me in the direction of a fairly small low end one that will at least do the basics (maybe playback to entice in the more wary species) or a site that discusses it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
[Deindent] Do many digital [video] cameras allow recording of audio only? You can strip out the audio alone if the video isn't any good, but it's rather contrived to do so. Being able to record sound alone is convenient. Richard001 ( talk) 09:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Have tried to upgrade Yellow-rumped Flycatcher a bit and in the process noticed that Ficedula elisae seems to be a full species per worldbirdnames.org and others and there seems to be too little information out there to split it out of the Narcissus Flycatcher page. Shyamal ( talk) 11:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I've finally added some song to the Winter Wren (Spurred on by the above discussion about Digital Sound Recorders). Is there a recommended way to add an audio file to and article? I looked at a few different bird articles ( Canada Goose, Northern Pintail, House Wren, Common Blackbird), and they all handled audio files in a different way. Would it be heplful to have at example on the Project pages? Grantus4504 ( talk) 17:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
This guy is adding Audubon images to everything in sight. He is sourcing them to RestoredPrints.com, and says they hold the copyright. I believe that this is correct, since the prints are restored and corrected and not just faithful photographic images as required for PD-Art. He is saying that the prints are PD with attribution, but the site claims copyright. Just a heads-up to watch him jimfbleak ( talk) 07:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I made the redlinked Large-billed Sparrow into a redirect to Savannah Sparrow, which is where all the info is. However, that article says Large-billed is a good species. If that is accepted, someone with US resources might like to write a proper page. If Large-billed is just a ssp, the Savannah article needs a rewrite jimfbleak ( talk) 16:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
[2] This is a great resource for learning how to make Sonograms of birdsong from .wav files. The author has a collection of bird song recordings from Southern Tuscany.
His copyright notice says "Copyright(??): all recordings and sonograms have been made by the author. Everyone can freely download, copy and reproduce them. Please, if you will use this material on the Internet, insert a link to this web site. The quality and size of the sound files are obviously reduced from the original 48KHz digitized samples. If someone is interested to the original full-length samples, he/she can send a mail and I'll be happy to provide the requested file."
I've e-mailed him to ask if I can upload his files to commons - his files are .wav so I'll have to convert them to .ogg first. Do you think I should request the orginal samples?
The sonograms use a program called SeaWave which is available from this site - [3] Grantus4504 ( talk) 14:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Requested move: Bird of paradise (disambiguation) → Bird of paradise. Please read and contribute to survey here. -- Una Smith ( talk) 23:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I have made a more request to move the page "Birds of Paradise" to "Bird of paradise". Headings are generally the singular form. Discussion started at Talk:Birds of Paradise. Snowman ( talk) 00:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I hope this gets put into the correct location.
In the photo gallery for the Hairy Woodpecker, images #1, 2, and 4 are suspect. Read my coments on the page to see the research I've done (basically pestering other people), but at the very least, they are proving to be questionable enough to NOT make good reference photos.
Thanks Vulture19 ( talk) 18:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for all the help that edged this to its gold star jimfbleak ( talk) 19:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Could you take a look on that page?, the genus information (Drepanis) its in the history, but now it is a disambiguation page. Thanks -- Erfil ( talk) 19:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that Wikipedia should change its naming conventions for organism articles to require scientific names, and this suggestion should be discussed fully at Wikipedia naming conventions. -- KP Botany ( talk) 19:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 ( t, c) 21:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Been working on the
Penduline tits and I was wondering about the placement of that particular little African anomaly. It gets thrown into
Cettiidae based (or at least cited by) Sefc 2003, but the paper, while mentioned in the 2008 HBW treatment, doesn't seem to have convinced the author (who called for more DNA studies and refers to teh Green Hylia as "unrelated"). You've often commented on the reliability of papers in the past, any thoughts on this one?
Sabine's Sunbird
talk 04:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
[P]lacements of the Pholidornis/Hylia clade in our analyses included sister relationships with Cisticolidae, Acrocephalus, Phylloscopus, or a clade comprising Phylloscopus and Aegithalos. None of our analyses grouped Pholidornis and Hylia with the remizid Anthoscopus, as proposed on behavioural grounds.
In case anyone has any strong feeling one way or the other, they're taking a "straw poll" over at WP:Tree of Life as to whether scientific names should be bolded the first time they occur in an article about a biological entity. Any setting of policy that results could impact the project (albeit in a very minor way), so chime in if you're interested... MeegsC | Talk 23:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've taken my camera outside jimfbleak ( talk) 10:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I was recently birding in the Meehan Range area in Southern Tasmania when I came across this quite unique looking robin, any help with an ID would be greatly appreciated, Flying Freddy ( talk) 14:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I should probably add that unlike the usual suspects for red breasted robins (scarlet and flame) this guy's plumage was a remarkable shade of orange. Flying Freddy ( talk) 14:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Looks like a female Scarlet to me Freddy [ [4]] but could be a Flame. Aviceda talk 20:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
South America is not on my radar but a chance finding of Postilla ( http://www.archive.org/details/postilla150peab) led to me to upgrade this article. Quite fascinated to learn that this bird makes an island using a ton of pebbles and then nests on it. Hope we have some South Americans in this group. Shyamal ( talk) 03:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Needs to be merged with a special section for the saga. Shyamal ( talk) 10:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Crescent Honeyeater is picture of the day. Unfortunately the article says see: Phylidonyris pyrrhopterus. Can these two pages be merged? How do you make Phylidonyris pyrrhopterus redirect to Crescent Honeyeater? Grantus4504 ( talk) 10:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Anyone care to comment on the scope of this category and its intended purpose? This is in relation to Alan Brooke, 1st Viscount Alanbrooke's inclusion on it, and some related discussion at User talk:69.209.78.94.
Do biographical articles requiring work on their bird-related content belong in this cat? Thanks Andy Dingley ( talk) 23:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
What does everyone think about me going through the participants list and removing anybody who hasn't edited anywhere on Wikipedia in the past six months? (Or should I make it a year?) I've removed those who've put a "Retired" notification on their user pages, but many just seem to drop off the face of the earth! Having just sent out a zillion newsletters—some to people who don't appear to be active anymore—I'm particularly conscious of how many there are now. MeegsC | Talk 21:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the WP Birds main page (and/or membership page) should state that members who have not been active for six months (or one year) will be removed from the list, but may be reinstated on request. Alternatively, they could be placed in a linked subpage called something like "WP Bird members who have not been active for at least six months" As this would be a new policy, I suggest that a relevant notice is posted on the main page (and/or membership page) for one month prior to removing (or listing on "inactive for six months subpage") anyone who has not announced that they have retired. This is in the interests of openness. Also, I think that there should be a consensus on this before it is rolled out, and ideally there would be more than five people expressing opinions. Snowman ( talk) 15:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)