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Where is he? is he included on top importance? JTBX ( talk)
It's been a long time since we've visited this list, but there's no reason it should be set in stone. Now that Michael Jackson has died, I think we should seriously consider his merit for the list. I also think there's a strong case for Alexander Fleming, the discoverer of penicillin. Additionally, I think there are a few people whose inclusion is questionable (per the criteria). I'd like to keep the list at 200 people, so if we have consensus to remove one or two, perhaps some new people can be added.
A radical suggestion. Instead of discussions for changing a list settled on over three years ago, though admittedly Michael Jackson wasn't dead back then - why not look at what has been improved and how, and apply that to actually improving an existing article. Of the 200 articles selected, 22 are featured now compared to 17 featured back in December 2006 - compare the stats now to then). It would be interesting to see how much overlap there is between the 17 FAs three years ago and the 22 featured now (i.e. how many got delisted and how many are new arrivals).
In my view, any discussion of what should be the core topics should be brief, and work should begin almost immediately on one article (yes, just one article), and the lessons learnt from that one applied to the next article, and so on, until a model for working on broad articles that actually works in practice, emerges.
Even discussion over what should be the article to work on should not be overdone. I would also suggest that looking at which articles are the most popular would help. I would suggest that the article not already featured, in the current 200, that got the most views in December 2009, should be the one worked on. If someone is willing to work out which article that is, could they post the viewing stats and maybe add a column to the project table giving the viewing stats?
Hmm, actually, I had missed that all the articles are C-class or better - that is a real milestone on the road to getting all the articles improved. Looking at the GAs and A-class articles, I would say that effort is better spent getting all the C-class articles to B-class. So pick the C-class article with the most views, and work on that one. I suggest Louis Pasteur. Carcharoth ( talk) 19:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Trying to be a little bit more helpful than the section I posted above, I'm going to compare the stats from January 2007 to January 2010, to see what has changed. If the list changes, this sort of "how much did things improve" will be less easy to do, but if the list needs changing, then it needs changing. Please help below if I don't finish, or more can be added. Carcharoth ( talk) 19:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Please update this sub-section as needed. Carcharoth ( talk) 19:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi i'm Tom, I've worked on this list for about 18 months now including getting Napoleon up to GA and reassessing all articles when C-Class came in. This tool [2] should show the list of 200 core articles. The 'score' that is listed next to each article is calculated using an 'importance score' and quality: see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/SelectionBot. Ideally we would want the importance score for each article rather than just the 'score' but i don't how to get this at the moment. The score could be used as a very rough guide to importance - there are a lot of problems in doing this including circularity - but i think it's the only tool for wikipedia articles that has an importance quantifier (appreciate you can't really numerically calculate someone's importance). In our 200 list, Shakespeare has the highest score which makes sense - not that it is the highest but that it is high - though there maybe exceptions e.g. Michael Jordan is above Archimedes, Mandela etc.
You can also generate all kinds of lists including all biography articles by score [3], in spite of the problems one can use this to suggest articles that should be switched into the 200 list e.g. Michael Jackson is 4th, J.R.R. Tolkien is 22nd etc. These articles score highly partly because they are FAs, but they do not benefit from being 'Top' articles and yet still score highly. It would be good to get just the 'importance score'.
Whilst I respect that improving articles is the main aim here, the list should be a 'living list' and open to some change e.g. once per year. It is interesting to discuss who should be on such a list and therefore a priority for an encyclopedia. A lot of the list is not going to change e.g. Shakespeare, Darwin etc but some of the choices are odd. Appreciate any list is subjective but i would almost go as far as to say there are errors on it e.g. in terms of maths, Fermat is on there but Hilbert and Riemann are not, I don't know of any mathematician who would say that Fermat was more important and most would say the opposite. If someone were to say 'well it's all subjective anyway', this doesn't deal with the problems. Anyway, enough rant.
Henry VIII of England is the c-class article with easily the most number of hits so i'll put that up on project board as suggested priority, it simply needs a lot more inline citations to get to b-class. Grateful for feedback Tom B ( talk) 00:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, we'll try the quiet route and see what happens. Maurreen ( talk) 04:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll start this a little more formally.
Tom, I saw the note you added about collaboration on Henry VII. But citations are more work than I want to do. Maybe we can find something else to collaborate on ... maybe one of these?
These are the ones at the top of the "published lists" that aren't rated at least GA. Maurreen ( talk) 18:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that, at least potentially, this group would be very useful in helping develop articles relating to the more important people in history, given that, in many cases, those individuals may be significant in more than one area of wikipedia. And, of course, I also think that it might be in the interests of wikipedia if such articles got such attention.
I think one way to maybe revitalize this group would be to expand the number of biographies included in the scope of the group. I have found that the book Human Accomplishment seems to have a fairly reasonable methodology for determining who are the high achievers in the areas it covers, and that the lists generated are fairly reasonable. Having looked over the lists, I think it might not be unreasonable to think that any individuals included in the lists, with a "score" of 40 or more, would likely be counted among the most important, or core, biographies in that field.
Unfortunately, there are several areas of biography which are not included in that book, like government, law, military, and religion. Also, I personally have no idea as to how to try to determine who, if anyone, might qualify as "core" for areas like food and fashion.
I personally think that, maybe, also including in the group those individuals who are honored with some sort of public holiday in one or more countries or overseas territories might also, reasonably, qualify for inclusion in such a grouping. I would not necessarily include living people whose holiday is counted as the "king's birthday," however. I think that maybe some of these individuals, like Saint Lucy, who has a holiday in Santa Lucia, and Saint Ursula and her companion, who are the "virgins" of the Virgin Islands, and honored with their religious feast as a local holiday, might be somewhat questionable, but might be at least considered.
The questions, of course, would be whether doing the work to expand the lists would be likely to revitalize the group, and specifically how to choose individuals for inclusion. Any and all responses, of any sort, are more than welcome. John Carter ( talk) 22:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Aristarchus of Samos (C); Walter Sydney Adams (Start); Walter Baade (Start-Class); Edward Emerson Barnard (Start); Friedrich Bessel (Start); Tycho Brahe (B); Giovanni Domenico Cassini (Start); Nicolaus Copernicus (B); Arthur Eddington (B): John Flamsteed (Start); Galileo Galilei (GA); George Ellery Hale (Stub); Edmond Halley (C); John Herschel (C); William Herschel (C); Ejnar Hertzsprung (Start); Johannes Hevelius (Start); Hipparchus of Nicaea (B); Edwin Hubble (B); William Huggins (Start); Johannes Kepler (FA); Gerard Kuiper (Start); Pierre-Simon Laplace (B); Heinrich Wilhelm Matthaus Olbers (Start); Ptolemy (C); Regiomantus (Start); Henry Chamberlain Russell (Start); Fritz Zwicky (B);
John Jacob Abel (Start); Aristotle (B); Karl Ernst von Baer (Start); Claude Bernard (C); Adolf Butenandt (Start); Georges Cuvier (B); Leonardo da Vinci (GA); Charles Darwin (FA); Empedocles (Start); Walther Flemming (Start); Francis Galton (B); Conrad Gessner (Start); Nehemiah Grew (Start); Ernest Haeckel (B); Stephen Hales (Start); Albrecht von Haller (C); William Harvey (C); Hermann von Helmholtz (Start); Edward Calvin Kendall (Start); Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (B); Carl Linnaeus (GA); Marcello Malphigi (Start); Gregor Mendel (C); Thomas Hunt Morgan (B); Hermann Joseph Muller (C); Pliny the Elder (C); John Ray (B); Matthias Jakob Schleiden (Start); Theodor Schwann (Start); Lazzaro Spallanzani (Start); Nicolas Steno (B); Alfred Sturtevant (Stub); Jan Swammerdam (B); Hugo de Vries (Start); Alfred Russel Wallace (FA);
Jons Jacob Berzelius (Start); Robert Boyle (B); Humphrey Davy (C); Antoine Lavoisier (C); Joseph Priestley (FA); Carl Wilhelm Scheele (B);
Georgius Agricola (C); James Hutton (B); Charles Lyell (B); Matthew Fontaine Maury (C); Roderick Murchison (Start); William Smith (geologist) (B); Abraham Gottlob Werner (Start);
Niels Bohr (C); Henry Cavendish (B); Marie Curie (B); Pierre Curie (Start); Paul Dirac (B); Albert Einstein (GA); Michael Faraday (B); Enrico Fermi (C); Galileo Galilei (GA); Werner Heisenberg (B); James Prescott Joule (B); Gustav Kirchoff (Start); James Clerk Maxwell (B); Isaac Newton (B); Ernest Rutherford (C); J. J. Thomson (B);
Jacob Bernoulli (Start); Georg Cantor (FA); Rene Descartes (C); Euclid (C); Leonhard Euler (FA); Pierre de Fermat (C); Carl Friedrich Gauss (C); David Hilbert (B); Gottfried Leibniz (C); Isaac Newton (B); Blaise Pascal (B); Bernhard Riemann (B);
Emil Adolf von Behring (Start); Paul Ehrlich (C); Alexander Fleming; Galen (C); Hippocrates (FA); Kitasato Shibasaburo (Start); Robert Koch (Start); Rene Laennec (C); Joseph Lister, 1st Baron Lister (C); Elmer McCollum (Start); Paracelsus (C); Ambroise Pare (Start); Louis Pasteur (C);
Archimedes (FA); Thomas Edison (B); Christiaan Huygens (B); Leonardo da Vinci (GA); Guglielmo Marconi (B); Vitruvius (B); James Watt (C);
Dong Qichang (Stub); Dong Yuan (Start); Fan Kuan (Start); Gu Kaizhi (Start); Guo Xi (Stub); Huang Gongwang (Stub); Emperor Huizong of Song (Start); Li Gonglin (Stub); Ma Yuan (painter) (Stub); Mi Fu (Start); Muqi Fachang (Stub); Ni Zan (Start); Shen Zhou (?); Shitao (Start); Su Shi (B); Tang Yin (Stub); Wang Meng (artist) (Stub); Wang Wei (8th century poet) (Start); Wen Zhengming (Start); Wu Daozi (Stub); Wu Zhen (Stub); Xia Gui (Stub); Yan Liben (Start); Zhao Mengfu (Stub);
Hiroshige (B); Hasegawa Tohaku (Start); Honami Koetsu (Start); Kano Eitoku (Start); Hokusai (B); Kukai (B); Ogata Kenzan (Stub); Ogata Korin (Stub); Jocho (Start); Tawaraya Sotatsu (Stub); Sesshu Toyo (Start); Unkei (B);
Gian Lorenzo Bernini (B); Caravaggio (C); Paul Cezanne (C; Donatello (C); Albrecht Durer (B); Jan van Eyck (C); Giotto di Bondone (C); Vincent van Gogh (GA); Francisco Goya (C; Leonardo da Vinci (GA); Masaccio (C); Michelangelo (C); Claude Monet (C); Pablo Picasso (C); Raphael (B); Rembrandt van Rijn (GA); Peter Paul Rubens (C); Titian (C); Diego Velazquez (C);
Abu Nuwas (Start); Abu Tammam (Stub); Imru' al-Qais (GA); Jarir ibn Atiyah (Start); Al-Nabigha (Stub); Zuhayr (Stub); Buhturi (Stub); al-Farazdaq (Stub); Badi' al-Zaman al-Hamadhani (Stub); Rafic Hariri (B); Al-Ma'arri (Stub); al-Mutanabbi (Stub);
Bai Juyi (Start); Du Fu (FA); Guan Hanqing (Stub); Han Yu (Stb); Li Bai (B); Liu Zongyuan (Stub); Ouyang Xiu (B); Qu Yuan (Start); Sima Qian (B); Sima Xiangru (Stub); Su Shi (B); Tao Yuanming (Start); Yuan Zhen (Start);
Kalidasa (Start); Valmiki (Start); Vyasa (C);
Ryunosuke Akutagawa (B); Ariwara no Narihira (Start); Matsuo Basho (GA); Chikamatsu Monzaemon (Start); Fujiwara no Teika (GA); Kafu Nagai (Start); Kakinomoto no Hitomaro (Start); Yasunari Kawabata (B); Ki no Tsurayuki (Start); Murasaki Shikibu (FA); Mori Ogai (B); Ihara Saikaku (Start); Santo Kyoden (Start); Sei Shonagon (C); Shiga Naoya (Start); Masaoka Shiki (B); Tsubouchi Shoyo (Start); Natsume Soseki (B); Takizawa Bakin (Stub); Jun'ichiro Tanizaki (B); Toson Shimazaki (Start); Yosa Buson (Start);
Lord Byron (C); Dante Aligheri (C); Fyodor Dostoyevsky (C); Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (C); Homer (C); Victor Hugo (C); Moliere (B); Petrarch (C); Jean-Jacques Rousseau (C); William Shakespeare (FA); Leo Tolstoy (C); Virgil (C); Voltaire (C);
Johann Sebastian Bach (B); Ludwig van Beethoven (B); Hector Berlioz (B); Claude Debussy (B); Georg Frideric Handel (B); Franz Haydn (B); Franz Liszt (B); Wolfgang Mozart (B); Franz Schubert (B); Robert Schumann (B); Igor Stravinsky (B); Richard Wagner (GA);
Confucius (B); Laozi (GA); Mencius (Start); Zhu Xi (Start);
Gautama Buddha (C); Nagarjuna (C); Ramanuja (B); Adi Sankara (B);
Aristotle (B); Rene Descartes (C); Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (B); Immanuel Kant (B); Plato (C);
Having been asked to comment, I would say:
Johnbod ( talk) 01:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Currently, there are six sportspeople in the 200 core bios: Muhammed Ali, Michael Jordan, Jesse Owens, Pele, Jackie Robinson, and Babe Ruth. Currently, they are classified as "Artists" on the career chart. They have virtually nothing in common with Beethoven, Rapheal or even Andy Warhol. I propose "Sportspeople" be added as a career category p b p 21:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
This page has been relatively inactive for several years. It also generally deals with the purview of article vitality. I propose that this be hosted, or co-hosted, by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Vital Articles project, the people who maintain the various Vital Articles lists. p b p 23:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I had the slighly more radical notion that we could use VA to not only replace the core list but the work group importance assessments as well. Each work group has an importance assessment backlog of around 10,000 to 80,000 articles, which—if we're being honest—is never going to be dealt with. Cross referencing the work groups with VAs gives the following:
Work Group | Level 3 VA | Level 4 VA | Level 5 VA |
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Arts & Entertainment | 35 | 374 | 1850 |
Actors & Filmmakers | 3 | 160 | 1461 |
Musicians | 7 | 142 | 1284 |
Military | 32 | 350 | 923 |
Peerage & Baronetage | 1 | 40 | 141 |
Politics & Government | 22 | 297 | 1027 |
Royalty & Nobility | 18 | 330 | 542 |
Science & Academia | 55 | 368 | 962 |
Sports & Games | 1 | 97 | 1061 |
This does tend to throw up a few false positives though when you get more specific (Ronald Reagan for actors & sports?), so maybe this wouldn't be the best approach for the work groups. PC78 ( talk) 19:54, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Taking into account that the messages of this Talk page concerning Michael Jackson date back to 2009; and that as of today he is currently included in the vital articles of the English-language Wikipedia and also in the Meta-Wiki's " List of articles every Wikipedia should have", I therefore propose the addition of Michael Jackson to this list of Core biographies.
Michael Jackson is regarded as the most important Pop music icon in History, probably the most famous black man of all times, and one of the greatest creators with huge influence in the development of music videos and a legacy in Dance that is globally known.
In this list there are other artists (eg. Elvis Presley, who is more US/Europe-focused) who are not as global as Michael Jackson. In addition, he is (along with The Beatles) probably the music artist of the 20th & 21st centuries with the greatest influence on other artists and the music panorama.-- Salvabl ( talk) 20:18, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I expected to find Molière in the list of core biographies, as one of the greatest writers in the French language and world literature. French is often referred as "the language of Molière". Regards, Yann ( talk) 17:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
I think he should be on this list too. -- The helper5667 ( talk) 01:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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Where is he? is he included on top importance? JTBX ( talk)
It's been a long time since we've visited this list, but there's no reason it should be set in stone. Now that Michael Jackson has died, I think we should seriously consider his merit for the list. I also think there's a strong case for Alexander Fleming, the discoverer of penicillin. Additionally, I think there are a few people whose inclusion is questionable (per the criteria). I'd like to keep the list at 200 people, so if we have consensus to remove one or two, perhaps some new people can be added.
A radical suggestion. Instead of discussions for changing a list settled on over three years ago, though admittedly Michael Jackson wasn't dead back then - why not look at what has been improved and how, and apply that to actually improving an existing article. Of the 200 articles selected, 22 are featured now compared to 17 featured back in December 2006 - compare the stats now to then). It would be interesting to see how much overlap there is between the 17 FAs three years ago and the 22 featured now (i.e. how many got delisted and how many are new arrivals).
In my view, any discussion of what should be the core topics should be brief, and work should begin almost immediately on one article (yes, just one article), and the lessons learnt from that one applied to the next article, and so on, until a model for working on broad articles that actually works in practice, emerges.
Even discussion over what should be the article to work on should not be overdone. I would also suggest that looking at which articles are the most popular would help. I would suggest that the article not already featured, in the current 200, that got the most views in December 2009, should be the one worked on. If someone is willing to work out which article that is, could they post the viewing stats and maybe add a column to the project table giving the viewing stats?
Hmm, actually, I had missed that all the articles are C-class or better - that is a real milestone on the road to getting all the articles improved. Looking at the GAs and A-class articles, I would say that effort is better spent getting all the C-class articles to B-class. So pick the C-class article with the most views, and work on that one. I suggest Louis Pasteur. Carcharoth ( talk) 19:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Trying to be a little bit more helpful than the section I posted above, I'm going to compare the stats from January 2007 to January 2010, to see what has changed. If the list changes, this sort of "how much did things improve" will be less easy to do, but if the list needs changing, then it needs changing. Please help below if I don't finish, or more can be added. Carcharoth ( talk) 19:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Please update this sub-section as needed. Carcharoth ( talk) 19:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi i'm Tom, I've worked on this list for about 18 months now including getting Napoleon up to GA and reassessing all articles when C-Class came in. This tool [2] should show the list of 200 core articles. The 'score' that is listed next to each article is calculated using an 'importance score' and quality: see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/SelectionBot. Ideally we would want the importance score for each article rather than just the 'score' but i don't how to get this at the moment. The score could be used as a very rough guide to importance - there are a lot of problems in doing this including circularity - but i think it's the only tool for wikipedia articles that has an importance quantifier (appreciate you can't really numerically calculate someone's importance). In our 200 list, Shakespeare has the highest score which makes sense - not that it is the highest but that it is high - though there maybe exceptions e.g. Michael Jordan is above Archimedes, Mandela etc.
You can also generate all kinds of lists including all biography articles by score [3], in spite of the problems one can use this to suggest articles that should be switched into the 200 list e.g. Michael Jackson is 4th, J.R.R. Tolkien is 22nd etc. These articles score highly partly because they are FAs, but they do not benefit from being 'Top' articles and yet still score highly. It would be good to get just the 'importance score'.
Whilst I respect that improving articles is the main aim here, the list should be a 'living list' and open to some change e.g. once per year. It is interesting to discuss who should be on such a list and therefore a priority for an encyclopedia. A lot of the list is not going to change e.g. Shakespeare, Darwin etc but some of the choices are odd. Appreciate any list is subjective but i would almost go as far as to say there are errors on it e.g. in terms of maths, Fermat is on there but Hilbert and Riemann are not, I don't know of any mathematician who would say that Fermat was more important and most would say the opposite. If someone were to say 'well it's all subjective anyway', this doesn't deal with the problems. Anyway, enough rant.
Henry VIII of England is the c-class article with easily the most number of hits so i'll put that up on project board as suggested priority, it simply needs a lot more inline citations to get to b-class. Grateful for feedback Tom B ( talk) 00:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, we'll try the quiet route and see what happens. Maurreen ( talk) 04:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll start this a little more formally.
Tom, I saw the note you added about collaboration on Henry VII. But citations are more work than I want to do. Maybe we can find something else to collaborate on ... maybe one of these?
These are the ones at the top of the "published lists" that aren't rated at least GA. Maurreen ( talk) 18:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that, at least potentially, this group would be very useful in helping develop articles relating to the more important people in history, given that, in many cases, those individuals may be significant in more than one area of wikipedia. And, of course, I also think that it might be in the interests of wikipedia if such articles got such attention.
I think one way to maybe revitalize this group would be to expand the number of biographies included in the scope of the group. I have found that the book Human Accomplishment seems to have a fairly reasonable methodology for determining who are the high achievers in the areas it covers, and that the lists generated are fairly reasonable. Having looked over the lists, I think it might not be unreasonable to think that any individuals included in the lists, with a "score" of 40 or more, would likely be counted among the most important, or core, biographies in that field.
Unfortunately, there are several areas of biography which are not included in that book, like government, law, military, and religion. Also, I personally have no idea as to how to try to determine who, if anyone, might qualify as "core" for areas like food and fashion.
I personally think that, maybe, also including in the group those individuals who are honored with some sort of public holiday in one or more countries or overseas territories might also, reasonably, qualify for inclusion in such a grouping. I would not necessarily include living people whose holiday is counted as the "king's birthday," however. I think that maybe some of these individuals, like Saint Lucy, who has a holiday in Santa Lucia, and Saint Ursula and her companion, who are the "virgins" of the Virgin Islands, and honored with their religious feast as a local holiday, might be somewhat questionable, but might be at least considered.
The questions, of course, would be whether doing the work to expand the lists would be likely to revitalize the group, and specifically how to choose individuals for inclusion. Any and all responses, of any sort, are more than welcome. John Carter ( talk) 22:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Aristarchus of Samos (C); Walter Sydney Adams (Start); Walter Baade (Start-Class); Edward Emerson Barnard (Start); Friedrich Bessel (Start); Tycho Brahe (B); Giovanni Domenico Cassini (Start); Nicolaus Copernicus (B); Arthur Eddington (B): John Flamsteed (Start); Galileo Galilei (GA); George Ellery Hale (Stub); Edmond Halley (C); John Herschel (C); William Herschel (C); Ejnar Hertzsprung (Start); Johannes Hevelius (Start); Hipparchus of Nicaea (B); Edwin Hubble (B); William Huggins (Start); Johannes Kepler (FA); Gerard Kuiper (Start); Pierre-Simon Laplace (B); Heinrich Wilhelm Matthaus Olbers (Start); Ptolemy (C); Regiomantus (Start); Henry Chamberlain Russell (Start); Fritz Zwicky (B);
John Jacob Abel (Start); Aristotle (B); Karl Ernst von Baer (Start); Claude Bernard (C); Adolf Butenandt (Start); Georges Cuvier (B); Leonardo da Vinci (GA); Charles Darwin (FA); Empedocles (Start); Walther Flemming (Start); Francis Galton (B); Conrad Gessner (Start); Nehemiah Grew (Start); Ernest Haeckel (B); Stephen Hales (Start); Albrecht von Haller (C); William Harvey (C); Hermann von Helmholtz (Start); Edward Calvin Kendall (Start); Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (B); Carl Linnaeus (GA); Marcello Malphigi (Start); Gregor Mendel (C); Thomas Hunt Morgan (B); Hermann Joseph Muller (C); Pliny the Elder (C); John Ray (B); Matthias Jakob Schleiden (Start); Theodor Schwann (Start); Lazzaro Spallanzani (Start); Nicolas Steno (B); Alfred Sturtevant (Stub); Jan Swammerdam (B); Hugo de Vries (Start); Alfred Russel Wallace (FA);
Jons Jacob Berzelius (Start); Robert Boyle (B); Humphrey Davy (C); Antoine Lavoisier (C); Joseph Priestley (FA); Carl Wilhelm Scheele (B);
Georgius Agricola (C); James Hutton (B); Charles Lyell (B); Matthew Fontaine Maury (C); Roderick Murchison (Start); William Smith (geologist) (B); Abraham Gottlob Werner (Start);
Niels Bohr (C); Henry Cavendish (B); Marie Curie (B); Pierre Curie (Start); Paul Dirac (B); Albert Einstein (GA); Michael Faraday (B); Enrico Fermi (C); Galileo Galilei (GA); Werner Heisenberg (B); James Prescott Joule (B); Gustav Kirchoff (Start); James Clerk Maxwell (B); Isaac Newton (B); Ernest Rutherford (C); J. J. Thomson (B);
Jacob Bernoulli (Start); Georg Cantor (FA); Rene Descartes (C); Euclid (C); Leonhard Euler (FA); Pierre de Fermat (C); Carl Friedrich Gauss (C); David Hilbert (B); Gottfried Leibniz (C); Isaac Newton (B); Blaise Pascal (B); Bernhard Riemann (B);
Emil Adolf von Behring (Start); Paul Ehrlich (C); Alexander Fleming; Galen (C); Hippocrates (FA); Kitasato Shibasaburo (Start); Robert Koch (Start); Rene Laennec (C); Joseph Lister, 1st Baron Lister (C); Elmer McCollum (Start); Paracelsus (C); Ambroise Pare (Start); Louis Pasteur (C);
Archimedes (FA); Thomas Edison (B); Christiaan Huygens (B); Leonardo da Vinci (GA); Guglielmo Marconi (B); Vitruvius (B); James Watt (C);
Dong Qichang (Stub); Dong Yuan (Start); Fan Kuan (Start); Gu Kaizhi (Start); Guo Xi (Stub); Huang Gongwang (Stub); Emperor Huizong of Song (Start); Li Gonglin (Stub); Ma Yuan (painter) (Stub); Mi Fu (Start); Muqi Fachang (Stub); Ni Zan (Start); Shen Zhou (?); Shitao (Start); Su Shi (B); Tang Yin (Stub); Wang Meng (artist) (Stub); Wang Wei (8th century poet) (Start); Wen Zhengming (Start); Wu Daozi (Stub); Wu Zhen (Stub); Xia Gui (Stub); Yan Liben (Start); Zhao Mengfu (Stub);
Hiroshige (B); Hasegawa Tohaku (Start); Honami Koetsu (Start); Kano Eitoku (Start); Hokusai (B); Kukai (B); Ogata Kenzan (Stub); Ogata Korin (Stub); Jocho (Start); Tawaraya Sotatsu (Stub); Sesshu Toyo (Start); Unkei (B);
Gian Lorenzo Bernini (B); Caravaggio (C); Paul Cezanne (C; Donatello (C); Albrecht Durer (B); Jan van Eyck (C); Giotto di Bondone (C); Vincent van Gogh (GA); Francisco Goya (C; Leonardo da Vinci (GA); Masaccio (C); Michelangelo (C); Claude Monet (C); Pablo Picasso (C); Raphael (B); Rembrandt van Rijn (GA); Peter Paul Rubens (C); Titian (C); Diego Velazquez (C);
Abu Nuwas (Start); Abu Tammam (Stub); Imru' al-Qais (GA); Jarir ibn Atiyah (Start); Al-Nabigha (Stub); Zuhayr (Stub); Buhturi (Stub); al-Farazdaq (Stub); Badi' al-Zaman al-Hamadhani (Stub); Rafic Hariri (B); Al-Ma'arri (Stub); al-Mutanabbi (Stub);
Bai Juyi (Start); Du Fu (FA); Guan Hanqing (Stub); Han Yu (Stb); Li Bai (B); Liu Zongyuan (Stub); Ouyang Xiu (B); Qu Yuan (Start); Sima Qian (B); Sima Xiangru (Stub); Su Shi (B); Tao Yuanming (Start); Yuan Zhen (Start);
Kalidasa (Start); Valmiki (Start); Vyasa (C);
Ryunosuke Akutagawa (B); Ariwara no Narihira (Start); Matsuo Basho (GA); Chikamatsu Monzaemon (Start); Fujiwara no Teika (GA); Kafu Nagai (Start); Kakinomoto no Hitomaro (Start); Yasunari Kawabata (B); Ki no Tsurayuki (Start); Murasaki Shikibu (FA); Mori Ogai (B); Ihara Saikaku (Start); Santo Kyoden (Start); Sei Shonagon (C); Shiga Naoya (Start); Masaoka Shiki (B); Tsubouchi Shoyo (Start); Natsume Soseki (B); Takizawa Bakin (Stub); Jun'ichiro Tanizaki (B); Toson Shimazaki (Start); Yosa Buson (Start);
Lord Byron (C); Dante Aligheri (C); Fyodor Dostoyevsky (C); Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (C); Homer (C); Victor Hugo (C); Moliere (B); Petrarch (C); Jean-Jacques Rousseau (C); William Shakespeare (FA); Leo Tolstoy (C); Virgil (C); Voltaire (C);
Johann Sebastian Bach (B); Ludwig van Beethoven (B); Hector Berlioz (B); Claude Debussy (B); Georg Frideric Handel (B); Franz Haydn (B); Franz Liszt (B); Wolfgang Mozart (B); Franz Schubert (B); Robert Schumann (B); Igor Stravinsky (B); Richard Wagner (GA);
Confucius (B); Laozi (GA); Mencius (Start); Zhu Xi (Start);
Gautama Buddha (C); Nagarjuna (C); Ramanuja (B); Adi Sankara (B);
Aristotle (B); Rene Descartes (C); Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (B); Immanuel Kant (B); Plato (C);
Having been asked to comment, I would say:
Johnbod ( talk) 01:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Currently, there are six sportspeople in the 200 core bios: Muhammed Ali, Michael Jordan, Jesse Owens, Pele, Jackie Robinson, and Babe Ruth. Currently, they are classified as "Artists" on the career chart. They have virtually nothing in common with Beethoven, Rapheal or even Andy Warhol. I propose "Sportspeople" be added as a career category p b p 21:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
This page has been relatively inactive for several years. It also generally deals with the purview of article vitality. I propose that this be hosted, or co-hosted, by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Vital Articles project, the people who maintain the various Vital Articles lists. p b p 23:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I had the slighly more radical notion that we could use VA to not only replace the core list but the work group importance assessments as well. Each work group has an importance assessment backlog of around 10,000 to 80,000 articles, which—if we're being honest—is never going to be dealt with. Cross referencing the work groups with VAs gives the following:
Work Group | Level 3 VA | Level 4 VA | Level 5 VA |
---|---|---|---|
Arts & Entertainment | 35 | 374 | 1850 |
Actors & Filmmakers | 3 | 160 | 1461 |
Musicians | 7 | 142 | 1284 |
Military | 32 | 350 | 923 |
Peerage & Baronetage | 1 | 40 | 141 |
Politics & Government | 22 | 297 | 1027 |
Royalty & Nobility | 18 | 330 | 542 |
Science & Academia | 55 | 368 | 962 |
Sports & Games | 1 | 97 | 1061 |
This does tend to throw up a few false positives though when you get more specific (Ronald Reagan for actors & sports?), so maybe this wouldn't be the best approach for the work groups. PC78 ( talk) 19:54, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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Taking into account that the messages of this Talk page concerning Michael Jackson date back to 2009; and that as of today he is currently included in the vital articles of the English-language Wikipedia and also in the Meta-Wiki's " List of articles every Wikipedia should have", I therefore propose the addition of Michael Jackson to this list of Core biographies.
Michael Jackson is regarded as the most important Pop music icon in History, probably the most famous black man of all times, and one of the greatest creators with huge influence in the development of music videos and a legacy in Dance that is globally known.
In this list there are other artists (eg. Elvis Presley, who is more US/Europe-focused) who are not as global as Michael Jackson. In addition, he is (along with The Beatles) probably the music artist of the 20th & 21st centuries with the greatest influence on other artists and the music panorama.-- Salvabl ( talk) 20:18, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I expected to find Molière in the list of core biographies, as one of the greatest writers in the French language and world literature. French is often referred as "the language of Molière". Regards, Yann ( talk) 17:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
I think he should be on this list too. -- The helper5667 ( talk) 01:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)