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Hi everyone. In the profile page of the Miss Universe 2002 and runner up Justine Pasek his image is not very visible his face therefore cannot be recognized very well if anybody has any photo of her who could contribute where one sees clearly. talk | If a photo manages to see of her or some Miss Panama- Señorita Panamá hat information to add to his profile. Thank for help. Evanex 19:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I am about to nominate the article World Miss University for deletion because it does not appear to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. A Google News search found exactly 1 result, in a non-English language. The official website is a blank black page. Even unreliable sources like blogs don't seem to have much clear information. As this page is presumably of interest to this Wikiproject, I invite your comments on the AfD and/or improvements to the article to verify notability. Thanks. Qwyrxian ( talk) 12:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
To help address the many requests for photographs People-n-photo-bot has moved article talk pages from Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of artists and entertainers to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of beauty pageant contestants if it is in a sub-category of Category:Beauty pageant contestants. Members of this project are invited to address the requests for images listed. Please note that some articles may now have an appropriate photograph and that the needs-photo flag has simply not been removed, this can also be checked using the Image Existence Checker link on the category page. If a page has been incorrectly moved please inform me on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Traveler100 ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I came across
Carol Morris during my work on Project Iowa + Project Cities Notable people and was appalled that it had only 2 sentences with no info-box to describe the only Miss Iowa to win a Miss USA title not to mention winning the Miss Universe in 1956. Beauty pageants is not my area but I did develop the article to the extent I think your project should evaluate it and repost it's quality and importance scales which are both ??? now. Also because it is not my area of knowledge maybe someone from your project could refine the article and you may have better sources to expand the article further. I also have questions about her movie career as even though I had cited reputable sources they conflict with other sources mainly the actor Jeff Chandler's filmography on Wikipedia. I think her movie career could be expanded but I also think there is another actress Carol Morris and again I am not familiar with this area. Also I suggest someone consider if the lead line needs improvement or not. I did remove the US-pageant-bio-stub template from the article. One last thing I did a check on article traffic and Carol's article averages 30 views a day for the last 3 years with spike of 932 views on August 24, 2010.
Keep up the good work. --
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I have noticed that the beauty pageant templates are among the few that do not use state=autocollapse. I have added some footer templates ( Template:State Pageant Winners footer, Template:Miss USA delegates, and Template:Miss America Delegates) to some systems of templates. Without using autocollapse, it causes some template intensive pages like Shandi Finnessey to look a bit cluttered, but it complements other pages with fewer templates like Jeri Zimmerman. Implementing the commonly used autocollapse feature would alleviate this.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 02:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Do we have an article the mother-daughter pageant? Don't know its name.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Now that most major titleholders have articles, why don't Miss USA, Miss America and Miss Universe use templates rather than succession boxes.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 23:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I have requested that {{ Miss Universe Organization titleholders}}, {{ Big Four Pageants titleholders}}, {{ Miss Earth and runners-up titleholders}}, {{ Miss World Continental Queen of Beauty Titleholders}}, {{ Miss Dominican Republic Organization titleholders}}, {{ Carousel Production Inc. titleholders}}, {{ Miss Philippines-Earth titleholders}}, {{ Miss Chile Titleholders}}, {{ Vanbros titleholders}} and {{ Greenwood Productions titleholders}} all be edited so that they can be used to create single-location editable navboxes such as {{ Miss World Continental Queen of Beauty titleholders 2009}} and {{ Big Four Pageants titleholders 2010}}. Now instead of going to four or five pages, you can edit in one location using the v/d/e buttons. Also, since dedicated templates now exist for each year, I have created footers that link them all. I have only done recent years for the first four templates on the list above. Others will have to do the rest.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 21:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed a great deal of pageantry articles contain "Results summary" sections detailing how individual contestants did at the following level of competition. These sections make little sense to me, as the article's emphasis should be on that pageant, not the next one, and the information these sections contain is already covered in the "Winners" table, where it more appropriately belongs and where it is still easily accessible. I've already removed quite a few of these sections for the reasons stated but felt I should leave this note (does anyone even visit this Project?) in case someone comes across my edits and is looking for a more detailed explanation or place to debate this issue. If you do respond here, make sure to let me know! Mbinebri talk ← 18:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regan Hartley. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 20:58, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
people are adding lots of rude things and its messing up alot of the stuff. can someone help me please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Compwiz97 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The reviewer at Talk:Mallory Hagan/GA1 suggested that I request a copyedit.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 16:44, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I have been looking at the article Saiyma Haroon. Can each winner of Mrs. Pakistan World have an article?
She won when the competition was held in Oslo, so the Category: Beauty pageants in Pakistan might need changing. (She is a Norwegian citizen, from Oslo.)
Shouldn't articles about a beauty pageant inform in which city the contest was held in a particular year? -- Normash ( talk) 22:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Greetings everyone Could some of you please help impartially support with the development of the wiki information for Miss Multiverse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Multiverse Thank you in advance for your collaboration --Gausachs (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)Gausachs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gausachs ( talk • contribs)
Category:Beauty pageant hosts, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Liz Read! Talk! 20:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone has created an article titled "Miss Universe (2014)" does anyone know how titles can be edited? The parentheses are not needed in the title. It should just be Miss Universe 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararawr21 ( talk • contribs) 05:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
It's a mess. Please see Talk:Miss Asia Pacific World/Archives/2023 1#Recent modifications. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I found the article Stephanie Okwu while doing New Page review. Is it notable? Does it need fixing? Should it be tagged with a "WikiProject Beauty Pageants" template? I'll leave these questions to the experts here! -- Slashme ( talk) 15:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Please see Sexualization in child beauty pageants. It is a somewhat poorly written article (reads more like a persuasive essay), and I'm not sure if the topic itself is valid, or whether it represents an inherent POV-fork. The kicker is that one of the cited reliable sources actually came to the page to remove their own quote, because they said it was being abused and taken out of context to support a position contrary to what her research was about. I almost brought it to AfD, but I figured I'd give you all a heads-up, it may be salvageable as a topic, with a major overhaul to the article as it stands today. Gigs ( talk) 16:28, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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Another editor has created May Myat Noe. May Myat Noe won the Miss Asia Pacific World 2014 title in May 2014, but the organizers subsequently withdrew the title. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 02:58, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
In the last week I have found myself in a battle with another editor, trying to delete articles about Pageants and their contestants. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Grand International (2nd nomination) is still active. The core article in question needs writing help. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Manabí is another. Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#Beauty_pageant_contestants is a discussion that involves policy you might be interested in. See also the list below:
This is all content related to your project, which I think you will be the most qualified people to speak to the relevancy of these proposals. Trackinfo ( talk) 18:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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has been nominated for deletion. Come on over to the AFD [1] and join in the debate. ...William 19:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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The article Ron Wear has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Wear. (I'm curious - does winning a national beauty pageant automatically confer sufficient notability for a stand alone article?)-- Wikimedes ( talk) 20:19, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Ron Wear deletion discussion
Please see ongoing deletion discussion for Ron Wear, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Wear.
Thank you,
— Cirt ( talk) 01:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this project is really active, but I thought it worthwhile to at least advertise my intentions...
There have been a lot of AfD about (mostly) American beauty pageant contestant articles lately. A lot have been kept, some deleted, and a few closed as "merge". I feel the last category is probably the best way to deal with many of these articles, and plan to start merging the ones with unproven notability (e.g. those closed as merge/delete [if any content is viable] at AfD). To make this feasible, I plan to overhaul the typical Miss X article. Currently such articles consist of 1) a prose lead; 2) a "results" section with bullet points on the contestants who placed in the top X at the national contest; and 3) a table of the winners.
The second section is entirely redundant to the table and parts of the table would be better handled as prose. My intention would be to 1) remove the current "results" section (making sure the info is indeed in the table); 2) streamline the table: taking out notes, making place sort properly; and 3) and make a new results section about the state contest. This would include information from the notes column and information from the non-notable bios. For example, the Carrie Lee AfD was closed as "merge". Her bio (in part) reads, the rest being filler that wouldn't be transferred:
This would become: The 2005 Miss Minnesota USA state pageant was held in Bloomington. Carrie Lee won it in what was her fourth attempt at the title. She had placed third runner-up to Sarah Cahill in 2003, was second runner-up in 2002, and made the semi-finals in 2001. She became the first woman from Sebeka to win the Miss Minnesota USA title.
Similarly, the Miss Minnesota USA table has notes for 2014 winner Haley O'Brien saying:
This would become:
I think this is both a good compromise between those who want these articles deleted and those who want them kept, and a good way to improve the state pageant articles. Naturally, I wouldn't be merging articles closed as keep (although some content could be copied from them to get a couple sentences about each year's pageant easily) or articles with significant content without clear consensus to do so. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 23:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
It took longer than I'd hoped but 52 articles donw (including a dozen DYKs and another half-dozen pending) all solidly referenced means the Miss America 2016 pageant field is the first complete set of contestant articles all the way from Miss Alabama 2015 Meg McGuffin to Miss Wyoming 2015 Mikaela Shaw. (Why 52? DC and Puerto Rico.) Now if only we had some photos to go with these articles.... - Dravecky ( talk) 15:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Dear beauty pageant enthusiasts: The above userbox template has been nominated for deletion. It seems that no one is using it. You may wish to take part in the the discussion.— Anne Delong ( talk) 11:57, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Miss Universe#Request for comment: Miss Universe 2015. Thank you. -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:55, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
A former Miss Hollywood, Kari Johnson, has been nominated for a WP:AFD. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 23:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that I started an article on Kayla Martell. I'm not familiar with your WikiProject at all, so I just wanted to point this out in case there are any project tags and such that you guys usually put on the articles of contestants. Dismas| (talk) 07:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
See /info/en/?search=Miss_Multiverse It would be good if someone would take a look and perhaps rescue this article. I nominated it for AfD, but I'd much rather it were improved and kept. 09:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Are there any beauty pageants experts that can help with the Miss Multiverse wikipedia page before its to late? Missosology has created their second coverage of this pageant, but administrators here know so little about pageants that they don´t understand what missosology is: http://missosology.org/uncategorized/12017-miss-multiverse-2014-punta-cana-dominican-republic/
Urgent support needed, thank you Jose Cuello ( talk) 07:33, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
May I suggest that there be a dedicated deletion discussion list for beauty pageant related AFDs? Unless the person goes on to be a fashion model or designer or is otherwise involved in fashion, they usually have nothing to do with fashion, and it effectively amounts to spamming Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fashion. I'm copying below what I posted (with zero response, incidentally) a month ago on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting:
On the 6th February 2015, this is how the 52 active nominations on the Fashion AFD page broke down:
That's over 77% irrelevant AFDs in the Fashion AFD category - which is ridiculous. If an equivalent amount of off-topic/barely relevant stuff was dumped anywhere else, people wouldn't stand for it. It makes it very hard to properly focus on the nominated articles that ARE fashion-relevant.
I think this is something that really needs discussion/addressing. Plus, if the beauty pageant AFDs were in their own section, this will enable those who actually care about such articles such as ThaddeusB to address such nominations - and will cut down on at least one editor's snarky comments on them... Mabalu ( talk) 17:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I notice there have been a lot of pageant winner bios nominated for deletion recently, and a lot of flak about it here and there. I notice that the nominations variously refer to WP:NOPAGE and WP:NMODEL but I'm not sure if these notability guidelines are good enough to apply to this subject matter. In particular, pageant winners can probably be considered models but are they really entertainers? And can their notability really be graded against people whose professional career is in entertainment?
A good task for this project would be to discuss and determine reasonable guidelines for when a pageant winner is likely to be notable per the general notability guideline. For example: participants in or winners of what level of contest, multiple winners, and so on. Based of course on the likelihood of coverage in reliable sources, like our other guidelines.
Has anyone thought about doing this, or has it been attempted before? Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 19:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
The personal attacks are very unbecoming. Please focus on policy, not editors.
Given that bio after bio starts with "Suzy Winner is an American model and winner of Miss East Dakota 2015..." but when you check the supplied model profile link it's dead already.
NMODEL actually is not just about Models - it says:
Entertainers
Shortcuts: WP:ENT WP:ENTERTAINER WP:NACTOR WP:NMODEL
Actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, models, and celebrities:
A Miss Wherever is a minor celebrity (her claim to fame). She clearly models swimsuits, gowns etc and is judged on such during an event or series of rounds of an event. She performs on a stage with others doing the same things. Every pageant is a stage and/or tv production complete with a director, crew, lights, host, and so on. Many Miss's use pageants to further a hoped for acting, modeling, or onscreen journalism career and sometimes it works. They also are getting paid (often through scholarships, but also cash and prizes, especially in the international events). Pageants are obvious entertainment, complete with celebrity hosts, fansites, trivia, and more, just like TV shows and productions of Disney on Ice.
The actual reason that pageant fans oppose the self evident application of the Entertainers guideline is that only a few pageant winners successfully build their win into a large fan base or make any unique, prolific or innovative contribution to the field of entertainment. Just like all types of entertainers, its a tough road to fame, and most only taste a little before fading back into a normal life.
There simply is no better category fit in Wikipedia policy for this group of people. Legacypac ( talk) 03:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Now you are making some sense Ejgreen77. I don't agree with everything you say but there is some common ground.
Agreement on Point 1. If someone become Halle Berry and editors want to mention she was once Little Miss Springfield at age 4 that correctly and on topic shows an early interest in entertainment.
Possible agreement on Point 2. There is wide acceptance that Miss Teen USA state winners don't get stand alone articles, as evidenced by the general lack of them and the delete votes on them. I went through every state page for Miss Teen USA and sent the handful of article on individual state winners (with no other claim to fame) to AfD all at once and across all states, all years there were under 10 standalone article. It is not credible that a child winning these titles is noteworthy, even if there is a human interest story in the local paper. Winning something global like World_Individual_Debating_and_Public_Speaking_Championships#Past_Championships regional, state, national and international gets only your name listed in Wikipedia in a table. Winning state high school volleyball or soccer, or getting lead in a high school stage play gets you nothing on Wikipedia.
Agreement on Point 3. The minor pageant systems are barely or not notable, and their winners should not automatically given articles even with some routine press coverage. I believe these pageant systems should be treated like any other business on Wikipedia.
Agreement on Point 4. There is a lot of sloppy articles out there with unsourced claims.
Legacypac ( talk) 09:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Winners of Miss State or Miss State USA are not automatically notable. Coverage is usually WP:ROUTINE in RS and very limited, often to one or two namechecks. [3] I've seen so many editors assert that here ARE Reliable Sources, but no good sources appear, leaving blogs, fan sites and old facebook posts. Even the pageant organizers, who are not limited by webhosting, pull the minibios they post for the winners after their year is up. Often we can't validate anything in the article.
Having read as many as 1000 of these articles I've come to see some common types of participants:
The nomination at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_December_20#Template:Miss Earth titleholders 2001 needs some contributors.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
The articles Miss Nederland 2013 and Miss Nederland 2016 are both nominated for deletion. – Editør ( talk) 01:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
is at RFD here [4]. Please come on over and join in the discussion. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:18, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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He is listed as a member of this WikiProject. I will leave it up to his fellow WikiProject participants to decide when it would be appropriate to remove him from the list of active participants. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 20:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Coming from WP:COLOMBIA, I put this article up for deletion a few days ago as I didn't think she passed notability for her own Wikipedia article. I've since found out that this WikiProject has stub articles on every Miss Universe contestant, so Miss Torrenegra isn't alone. Nevertheless, it's only fair that the members of this project are notified of the deletion discussion and can voice their opinions here. Thanks. Richard3120 ( talk) 19:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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What should be done with this article? A recent edit changed some information and broke a template. The article contains two links:
page does not exist
domain does not exist
The first link (the only reference) is archived here. According to Google Translate, the article describes a parade; the only mention of the subject is "Miss Egypt Heba El-Sisy, had to be attended yesterday in Guayaquil, moments before the parade of floats." Miss Egypt says the subject was "unplaced". I did a very superficial Google search without finding anything relevant to WP:N. I see there is a notability RfC above—participants might like to give thoughts on this article. Johnuniq ( talk) 02:02, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
John Pack Lambert has now AFD-ed three national Miss Teen USA titleholders: Katie Blair, Tami Farrell, Kristi Addis. You're pushing your luck there, mate.
Btw for all these people who are saying state titleholders are not-notable as per BIO1E, I finally got a chance to look and your logic mystifies me. It says that "We should generally avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:
If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article. If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.
Please explain to me how the third condition is met in most of these cases? PageantUpdater ( talk) 12:11, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Given the vast array of open AFDs and the difficulty of perusing all of them I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Beauty Pageants. There are currently 70 open AFDs. PageantUpdater ( talk) 00:14, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
The article Miss intercontinental has been recreated. It has been nominated for deletion here [5]. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm copying this from one of the AfDs, as I believe it may be relevant. I'm leaning towards a WP:NPAGEANT essay vs SNG, for clearer relationship with GNG. Copy / paste follows:
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Alex Duilius is disputing the nature of the hosting rights of the Philippines of the Miss Universe 2016 since no source directly from the Miss Universe Organization has been retrieved. They are requesting for an admin, more experienced editors regarding this issue. See the Talk Page for discussion. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 01:47, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, are there any specific notability criteria for beauty pageant contestants and models? I'm aware of WP:NMODEL, but that seems to focus mostly on porn actors. (I've opened a discussion on that talk page to get some clarification). I've encountered a user who has created a variety of articles on beauty pageant contestants, and many of them have been nommed for deletion. I was hoping to point this user to some clear notability guidelines. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 07:48, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I just noticed that there is a discussion about this very thing above. I could just delete the comment, but I think this should serve as a real-world example of why we need specific criteria. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 07:53, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, comments are requested at
Template talk:Infobox pageant titleholder. The issue is about whether we can add a |native_name=
parameter to the infobox, which would bring the infobox more into conformity with other templates like
Template:Infobox person. Thanks.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk) 00:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm going to wait a few more days. If there are no objections to this proposal, I'll move ahead with the implementation. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 23:59, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Murder of JonBenét Ramsey#Requested move 20 September 2016. Among the concerns noted in the move discussion is whether or not WP:Undue weight is being given to a recent documentary. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I have requested semi protection due to excessive levels of vandalism. --- PageantUpdater ( talk) 16:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
This is just to note that a flood (dozens?) of proposed deletions of articles of interest to the project have appeared today. Examples include Miss U.S. International 2015 and Tanisha Demour. I have no expertise in this field and a review by more experienced editors would be welcome. -- Mark viking ( talk) 19:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hi everyone. In the profile page of the Miss Universe 2002 and runner up Justine Pasek his image is not very visible his face therefore cannot be recognized very well if anybody has any photo of her who could contribute where one sees clearly. talk | If a photo manages to see of her or some Miss Panama- Señorita Panamá hat information to add to his profile. Thank for help. Evanex 19:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I am about to nominate the article World Miss University for deletion because it does not appear to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. A Google News search found exactly 1 result, in a non-English language. The official website is a blank black page. Even unreliable sources like blogs don't seem to have much clear information. As this page is presumably of interest to this Wikiproject, I invite your comments on the AfD and/or improvements to the article to verify notability. Thanks. Qwyrxian ( talk) 12:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
To help address the many requests for photographs People-n-photo-bot has moved article talk pages from Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of artists and entertainers to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of beauty pageant contestants if it is in a sub-category of Category:Beauty pageant contestants. Members of this project are invited to address the requests for images listed. Please note that some articles may now have an appropriate photograph and that the needs-photo flag has simply not been removed, this can also be checked using the Image Existence Checker link on the category page. If a page has been incorrectly moved please inform me on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Traveler100 ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I came across
Carol Morris during my work on Project Iowa + Project Cities Notable people and was appalled that it had only 2 sentences with no info-box to describe the only Miss Iowa to win a Miss USA title not to mention winning the Miss Universe in 1956. Beauty pageants is not my area but I did develop the article to the extent I think your project should evaluate it and repost it's quality and importance scales which are both ??? now. Also because it is not my area of knowledge maybe someone from your project could refine the article and you may have better sources to expand the article further. I also have questions about her movie career as even though I had cited reputable sources they conflict with other sources mainly the actor Jeff Chandler's filmography on Wikipedia. I think her movie career could be expanded but I also think there is another actress Carol Morris and again I am not familiar with this area. Also I suggest someone consider if the lead line needs improvement or not. I did remove the US-pageant-bio-stub template from the article. One last thing I did a check on article traffic and Carol's article averages 30 views a day for the last 3 years with spike of 932 views on August 24, 2010.
Keep up the good work. --
RifeIdeas
Talk 20:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed that the beauty pageant templates are among the few that do not use state=autocollapse. I have added some footer templates ( Template:State Pageant Winners footer, Template:Miss USA delegates, and Template:Miss America Delegates) to some systems of templates. Without using autocollapse, it causes some template intensive pages like Shandi Finnessey to look a bit cluttered, but it complements other pages with fewer templates like Jeri Zimmerman. Implementing the commonly used autocollapse feature would alleviate this.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 02:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Do we have an article the mother-daughter pageant? Don't know its name.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Now that most major titleholders have articles, why don't Miss USA, Miss America and Miss Universe use templates rather than succession boxes.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 23:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I have requested that {{ Miss Universe Organization titleholders}}, {{ Big Four Pageants titleholders}}, {{ Miss Earth and runners-up titleholders}}, {{ Miss World Continental Queen of Beauty Titleholders}}, {{ Miss Dominican Republic Organization titleholders}}, {{ Carousel Production Inc. titleholders}}, {{ Miss Philippines-Earth titleholders}}, {{ Miss Chile Titleholders}}, {{ Vanbros titleholders}} and {{ Greenwood Productions titleholders}} all be edited so that they can be used to create single-location editable navboxes such as {{ Miss World Continental Queen of Beauty titleholders 2009}} and {{ Big Four Pageants titleholders 2010}}. Now instead of going to four or five pages, you can edit in one location using the v/d/e buttons. Also, since dedicated templates now exist for each year, I have created footers that link them all. I have only done recent years for the first four templates on the list above. Others will have to do the rest.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 21:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed a great deal of pageantry articles contain "Results summary" sections detailing how individual contestants did at the following level of competition. These sections make little sense to me, as the article's emphasis should be on that pageant, not the next one, and the information these sections contain is already covered in the "Winners" table, where it more appropriately belongs and where it is still easily accessible. I've already removed quite a few of these sections for the reasons stated but felt I should leave this note (does anyone even visit this Project?) in case someone comes across my edits and is looking for a more detailed explanation or place to debate this issue. If you do respond here, make sure to let me know! Mbinebri talk ← 18:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regan Hartley. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 20:58, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
people are adding lots of rude things and its messing up alot of the stuff. can someone help me please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Compwiz97 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The reviewer at Talk:Mallory Hagan/GA1 suggested that I request a copyedit.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 16:44, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I have been looking at the article Saiyma Haroon. Can each winner of Mrs. Pakistan World have an article?
She won when the competition was held in Oslo, so the Category: Beauty pageants in Pakistan might need changing. (She is a Norwegian citizen, from Oslo.)
Shouldn't articles about a beauty pageant inform in which city the contest was held in a particular year? -- Normash ( talk) 22:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Greetings everyone Could some of you please help impartially support with the development of the wiki information for Miss Multiverse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Multiverse Thank you in advance for your collaboration --Gausachs (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)Gausachs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gausachs ( talk • contribs)
Category:Beauty pageant hosts, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Liz Read! Talk! 20:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone has created an article titled "Miss Universe (2014)" does anyone know how titles can be edited? The parentheses are not needed in the title. It should just be Miss Universe 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararawr21 ( talk • contribs) 05:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
It's a mess. Please see Talk:Miss Asia Pacific World/Archives/2023 1#Recent modifications. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I found the article Stephanie Okwu while doing New Page review. Is it notable? Does it need fixing? Should it be tagged with a "WikiProject Beauty Pageants" template? I'll leave these questions to the experts here! -- Slashme ( talk) 15:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Please see Sexualization in child beauty pageants. It is a somewhat poorly written article (reads more like a persuasive essay), and I'm not sure if the topic itself is valid, or whether it represents an inherent POV-fork. The kicker is that one of the cited reliable sources actually came to the page to remove their own quote, because they said it was being abused and taken out of context to support a position contrary to what her research was about. I almost brought it to AfD, but I figured I'd give you all a heads-up, it may be salvageable as a topic, with a major overhaul to the article as it stands today. Gigs ( talk) 16:28, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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Another editor has created May Myat Noe. May Myat Noe won the Miss Asia Pacific World 2014 title in May 2014, but the organizers subsequently withdrew the title. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 02:58, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
In the last week I have found myself in a battle with another editor, trying to delete articles about Pageants and their contestants. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Grand International (2nd nomination) is still active. The core article in question needs writing help. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Manabí is another. Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#Beauty_pageant_contestants is a discussion that involves policy you might be interested in. See also the list below:
This is all content related to your project, which I think you will be the most qualified people to speak to the relevancy of these proposals. Trackinfo ( talk) 18:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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has been nominated for deletion. Come on over to the AFD [1] and join in the debate. ...William 19:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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The article Ron Wear has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Wear. (I'm curious - does winning a national beauty pageant automatically confer sufficient notability for a stand alone article?)-- Wikimedes ( talk) 20:19, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Ron Wear deletion discussion
Please see ongoing deletion discussion for Ron Wear, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Wear.
Thank you,
— Cirt ( talk) 01:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this project is really active, but I thought it worthwhile to at least advertise my intentions...
There have been a lot of AfD about (mostly) American beauty pageant contestant articles lately. A lot have been kept, some deleted, and a few closed as "merge". I feel the last category is probably the best way to deal with many of these articles, and plan to start merging the ones with unproven notability (e.g. those closed as merge/delete [if any content is viable] at AfD). To make this feasible, I plan to overhaul the typical Miss X article. Currently such articles consist of 1) a prose lead; 2) a "results" section with bullet points on the contestants who placed in the top X at the national contest; and 3) a table of the winners.
The second section is entirely redundant to the table and parts of the table would be better handled as prose. My intention would be to 1) remove the current "results" section (making sure the info is indeed in the table); 2) streamline the table: taking out notes, making place sort properly; and 3) and make a new results section about the state contest. This would include information from the notes column and information from the non-notable bios. For example, the Carrie Lee AfD was closed as "merge". Her bio (in part) reads, the rest being filler that wouldn't be transferred:
This would become: The 2005 Miss Minnesota USA state pageant was held in Bloomington. Carrie Lee won it in what was her fourth attempt at the title. She had placed third runner-up to Sarah Cahill in 2003, was second runner-up in 2002, and made the semi-finals in 2001. She became the first woman from Sebeka to win the Miss Minnesota USA title.
Similarly, the Miss Minnesota USA table has notes for 2014 winner Haley O'Brien saying:
This would become:
I think this is both a good compromise between those who want these articles deleted and those who want them kept, and a good way to improve the state pageant articles. Naturally, I wouldn't be merging articles closed as keep (although some content could be copied from them to get a couple sentences about each year's pageant easily) or articles with significant content without clear consensus to do so. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 23:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
It took longer than I'd hoped but 52 articles donw (including a dozen DYKs and another half-dozen pending) all solidly referenced means the Miss America 2016 pageant field is the first complete set of contestant articles all the way from Miss Alabama 2015 Meg McGuffin to Miss Wyoming 2015 Mikaela Shaw. (Why 52? DC and Puerto Rico.) Now if only we had some photos to go with these articles.... - Dravecky ( talk) 15:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Dear beauty pageant enthusiasts: The above userbox template has been nominated for deletion. It seems that no one is using it. You may wish to take part in the the discussion.— Anne Delong ( talk) 11:57, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Miss Universe#Request for comment: Miss Universe 2015. Thank you. -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:55, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
A former Miss Hollywood, Kari Johnson, has been nominated for a WP:AFD. ---- moreno oso ( talk) 23:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that I started an article on Kayla Martell. I'm not familiar with your WikiProject at all, so I just wanted to point this out in case there are any project tags and such that you guys usually put on the articles of contestants. Dismas| (talk) 07:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
See /info/en/?search=Miss_Multiverse It would be good if someone would take a look and perhaps rescue this article. I nominated it for AfD, but I'd much rather it were improved and kept. 09:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Are there any beauty pageants experts that can help with the Miss Multiverse wikipedia page before its to late? Missosology has created their second coverage of this pageant, but administrators here know so little about pageants that they don´t understand what missosology is: http://missosology.org/uncategorized/12017-miss-multiverse-2014-punta-cana-dominican-republic/
Urgent support needed, thank you Jose Cuello ( talk) 07:33, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
May I suggest that there be a dedicated deletion discussion list for beauty pageant related AFDs? Unless the person goes on to be a fashion model or designer or is otherwise involved in fashion, they usually have nothing to do with fashion, and it effectively amounts to spamming Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fashion. I'm copying below what I posted (with zero response, incidentally) a month ago on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting:
On the 6th February 2015, this is how the 52 active nominations on the Fashion AFD page broke down:
That's over 77% irrelevant AFDs in the Fashion AFD category - which is ridiculous. If an equivalent amount of off-topic/barely relevant stuff was dumped anywhere else, people wouldn't stand for it. It makes it very hard to properly focus on the nominated articles that ARE fashion-relevant.
I think this is something that really needs discussion/addressing. Plus, if the beauty pageant AFDs were in their own section, this will enable those who actually care about such articles such as ThaddeusB to address such nominations - and will cut down on at least one editor's snarky comments on them... Mabalu ( talk) 17:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I notice there have been a lot of pageant winner bios nominated for deletion recently, and a lot of flak about it here and there. I notice that the nominations variously refer to WP:NOPAGE and WP:NMODEL but I'm not sure if these notability guidelines are good enough to apply to this subject matter. In particular, pageant winners can probably be considered models but are they really entertainers? And can their notability really be graded against people whose professional career is in entertainment?
A good task for this project would be to discuss and determine reasonable guidelines for when a pageant winner is likely to be notable per the general notability guideline. For example: participants in or winners of what level of contest, multiple winners, and so on. Based of course on the likelihood of coverage in reliable sources, like our other guidelines.
Has anyone thought about doing this, or has it been attempted before? Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 19:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
The personal attacks are very unbecoming. Please focus on policy, not editors.
Given that bio after bio starts with "Suzy Winner is an American model and winner of Miss East Dakota 2015..." but when you check the supplied model profile link it's dead already.
NMODEL actually is not just about Models - it says:
Entertainers
Shortcuts: WP:ENT WP:ENTERTAINER WP:NACTOR WP:NMODEL
Actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, models, and celebrities:
A Miss Wherever is a minor celebrity (her claim to fame). She clearly models swimsuits, gowns etc and is judged on such during an event or series of rounds of an event. She performs on a stage with others doing the same things. Every pageant is a stage and/or tv production complete with a director, crew, lights, host, and so on. Many Miss's use pageants to further a hoped for acting, modeling, or onscreen journalism career and sometimes it works. They also are getting paid (often through scholarships, but also cash and prizes, especially in the international events). Pageants are obvious entertainment, complete with celebrity hosts, fansites, trivia, and more, just like TV shows and productions of Disney on Ice.
The actual reason that pageant fans oppose the self evident application of the Entertainers guideline is that only a few pageant winners successfully build their win into a large fan base or make any unique, prolific or innovative contribution to the field of entertainment. Just like all types of entertainers, its a tough road to fame, and most only taste a little before fading back into a normal life.
There simply is no better category fit in Wikipedia policy for this group of people. Legacypac ( talk) 03:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Now you are making some sense Ejgreen77. I don't agree with everything you say but there is some common ground.
Agreement on Point 1. If someone become Halle Berry and editors want to mention she was once Little Miss Springfield at age 4 that correctly and on topic shows an early interest in entertainment.
Possible agreement on Point 2. There is wide acceptance that Miss Teen USA state winners don't get stand alone articles, as evidenced by the general lack of them and the delete votes on them. I went through every state page for Miss Teen USA and sent the handful of article on individual state winners (with no other claim to fame) to AfD all at once and across all states, all years there were under 10 standalone article. It is not credible that a child winning these titles is noteworthy, even if there is a human interest story in the local paper. Winning something global like World_Individual_Debating_and_Public_Speaking_Championships#Past_Championships regional, state, national and international gets only your name listed in Wikipedia in a table. Winning state high school volleyball or soccer, or getting lead in a high school stage play gets you nothing on Wikipedia.
Agreement on Point 3. The minor pageant systems are barely or not notable, and their winners should not automatically given articles even with some routine press coverage. I believe these pageant systems should be treated like any other business on Wikipedia.
Agreement on Point 4. There is a lot of sloppy articles out there with unsourced claims.
Legacypac ( talk) 09:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Winners of Miss State or Miss State USA are not automatically notable. Coverage is usually WP:ROUTINE in RS and very limited, often to one or two namechecks. [3] I've seen so many editors assert that here ARE Reliable Sources, but no good sources appear, leaving blogs, fan sites and old facebook posts. Even the pageant organizers, who are not limited by webhosting, pull the minibios they post for the winners after their year is up. Often we can't validate anything in the article.
Having read as many as 1000 of these articles I've come to see some common types of participants:
The nomination at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_December_20#Template:Miss Earth titleholders 2001 needs some contributors.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
The articles Miss Nederland 2013 and Miss Nederland 2016 are both nominated for deletion. – Editør ( talk) 01:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
is at RFD here [4]. Please come on over and join in the discussion. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:18, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Dravecky ( talk · contribs) died last Saturday, April 23. See his talk page for details.
He is listed as a member of this WikiProject. I will leave it up to his fellow WikiProject participants to decide when it would be appropriate to remove him from the list of active participants. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 20:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Coming from WP:COLOMBIA, I put this article up for deletion a few days ago as I didn't think she passed notability for her own Wikipedia article. I've since found out that this WikiProject has stub articles on every Miss Universe contestant, so Miss Torrenegra isn't alone. Nevertheless, it's only fair that the members of this project are notified of the deletion discussion and can voice their opinions here. Thanks. Richard3120 ( talk) 19:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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What should be done with this article? A recent edit changed some information and broke a template. The article contains two links:
page does not exist
domain does not exist
The first link (the only reference) is archived here. According to Google Translate, the article describes a parade; the only mention of the subject is "Miss Egypt Heba El-Sisy, had to be attended yesterday in Guayaquil, moments before the parade of floats." Miss Egypt says the subject was "unplaced". I did a very superficial Google search without finding anything relevant to WP:N. I see there is a notability RfC above—participants might like to give thoughts on this article. Johnuniq ( talk) 02:02, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
John Pack Lambert has now AFD-ed three national Miss Teen USA titleholders: Katie Blair, Tami Farrell, Kristi Addis. You're pushing your luck there, mate.
Btw for all these people who are saying state titleholders are not-notable as per BIO1E, I finally got a chance to look and your logic mystifies me. It says that "We should generally avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:
If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article. If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.
Please explain to me how the third condition is met in most of these cases? PageantUpdater ( talk) 12:11, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Given the vast array of open AFDs and the difficulty of perusing all of them I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Beauty Pageants. There are currently 70 open AFDs. PageantUpdater ( talk) 00:14, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
The article Miss intercontinental has been recreated. It has been nominated for deletion here [5]. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm copying this from one of the AfDs, as I believe it may be relevant. I'm leaning towards a WP:NPAGEANT essay vs SNG, for clearer relationship with GNG. Copy / paste follows:
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Alex Duilius is disputing the nature of the hosting rights of the Philippines of the Miss Universe 2016 since no source directly from the Miss Universe Organization has been retrieved. They are requesting for an admin, more experienced editors regarding this issue. See the Talk Page for discussion. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 01:47, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, are there any specific notability criteria for beauty pageant contestants and models? I'm aware of WP:NMODEL, but that seems to focus mostly on porn actors. (I've opened a discussion on that talk page to get some clarification). I've encountered a user who has created a variety of articles on beauty pageant contestants, and many of them have been nommed for deletion. I was hoping to point this user to some clear notability guidelines. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 07:48, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I just noticed that there is a discussion about this very thing above. I could just delete the comment, but I think this should serve as a real-world example of why we need specific criteria. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 07:53, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi all, comments are requested at
Template talk:Infobox pageant titleholder. The issue is about whether we can add a |native_name=
parameter to the infobox, which would bring the infobox more into conformity with other templates like
Template:Infobox person. Thanks.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk) 00:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm going to wait a few more days. If there are no objections to this proposal, I'll move ahead with the implementation. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 23:59, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Murder of JonBenét Ramsey#Requested move 20 September 2016. Among the concerns noted in the move discussion is whether or not WP:Undue weight is being given to a recent documentary. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I have requested semi protection due to excessive levels of vandalism. --- PageantUpdater ( talk) 16:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
This is just to note that a flood (dozens?) of proposed deletions of articles of interest to the project have appeared today. Examples include Miss U.S. International 2015 and Tanisha Demour. I have no expertise in this field and a review by more experienced editors would be welcome. -- Mark viking ( talk) 19:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC)