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User:Scribatorian has been making changes to the hall of fame sections on all the team articles... removing useful notes and other designations. There has been no discussion of this format change as far as I know and his edits seem unproductive. Spanneraol ( talk) 15:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Baseball Talk,
I have been looking at the page " List of current Major League Baseball players by nationality" for a while now and the more I look at it, the more I think it needs not only a cleanup but a complete change. There are duplicates of players everywhere, mistakes on some nationalities and birthplaces, and errors relating to national teams. I will try to keep this short but here is my idea.
1. Change the title to "List of current foreign Major League Baseball players", removing all American players born in the US (this clutters the page massively at the moment).
2. Adopt the format used on " List of current foreign Nippon Professional Baseball players".
3. Include Americans born outside US and US-born players who play for a foreign national team.
I have a sample for this on my sandbox for AL East, for reference. This uses the current 40-man rosters going through to Spring Training (provisionally).
So... I have a few questions...
1. What's everyone's thoughts on this?
2. If we go ahead with this, would it be better to use 40-man or 26-man (when the season starts)?
3. Should we at least semi-protect this page? It is one of the most wrong pages on Wikipedia and a lot of that is down to vandalism and inconsistent edits.
I would definitely like some feedback on this, as MLB is not my area of baseball.
ATrueCelt ( talk) 14:40, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
It is on three articles on minor league baseball seasons and can be found here [1]. Please come on over and join in the discussion. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 02:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Over at WikiProject College football we've had discussion recently regarding coaching trees on bio articles for coaches. Some of us noticed a proliferation in recent months of coaching tree list sections for coaches of lesser and lesser note. We reached a consensus that while such sections are appropriate for highly influential coaches where reliable third-party sources show substantive discussion of a coach's tree or legacy of coaching disciples, the vast major of such sections amount to some combination of synthesis, original research, and cruft. As such, I've culled over 800 such sections from bio articles for football coaches and left just 54, while identifying about 40 of the culled as possible candidates for inclusion, provided good sourcing can be found; see Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Coaching trees. There are smaller number of such coaching tree sections on bio articles for baseball coaches, e.g. Mark Marquess, Joe Maddon, Tim Corbin. I suspect the vast majority of these fall in the cruft bin. We are hoping to extended the consensus reached at WikiProject College football to other sports project and establish a site-wide policy on coaching trees. Please let me know your thoughts here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Tree littering. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to Gene Freese page. Go to References, click Reference #1, Gene Freese stats from Baseball Reference, goes to George Freese, not Gene Freese. Please correct. Thank you and have a good day. 2601:581:8000:BDC0:34BC:6409:E97C:88B2 ( talk) 13:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I propose to merge Utility infielder and Fourth outfielder into a single page under the title Utility player (baseball) which is currently a redirect to the relevant section of the Utility player page. Please participate in the discussion.
A list that this WikiProject is interestd is nominated at WP:FLRC here: Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Major League Baseball single-game home run leaders/archive1. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:29, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Skilgis1900 Created this article for the baseball history of all the minor league teams that played in Paris, Texas. There's around a dozen, the Paris Orioles were just the lat. My issue- About half those teams before the Orioles have their own article already, Paris Boosters and Paris Rockets for example. I see two solutions to this- All the other existing Paris MIL baseball articles get redirected over to the Orioles or the Orioles article gets purged of most of its non-Orioles content. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
In most (
~6,600) MLB player articles, in the infobox, the years they played on each team are linked using {{
MLB Year|yyyy}}
, which links to, e.g.,
1999 Major League Baseball season, an often-useful choice. However, there are apparently
over 1500 articles that, instead, use {{
Baseball year|yyyy}}
to link to, e.g.,
1999 in baseball, a more general baseball article that includes non-MLB activity (and less, useful, MLB-specific info). Note that my search is specifically only for players who started and ended their career in the MLB, so it seems there should be no reason not to link to the more specific MLB year article, right? I also limited it to 1901–2020, since the MLB season articles before that are just redirects to the general baseball year articles (not sure why players before 1903 have league parms set to MLB, but I guess it doesn't matter for this purpose).
Should a bot be used to fix these (and is there one)? It could probably be handled better than my search, and link to the appropriate article given the team and year (i.e., for players that have both MLB and non-MLB years/teams). On further thought, wouldn't it be even better to link to articles like 1913 New York Yankees season when there is one? —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 05:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
I posted this in Talk:2019 in baseball, but think I may get a bit more of a response here. I quite like the 'xxxx in baseball' articles such as 2019 in baseball, but I think they can greatly improve visually and in readability. There is also a heavy US bias with the pages and I think it would be more beneficial for them to follow a format more similar to 2019 in association football or 2019 in basketball. Looking for thoughts and opinions to avoid any edit warring. JRA Talk 05:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I've started sandboxing here what I thought would be a better look for the 2019 in baseball article. Obviously it's still wildly incomplete, but would like to get some feedback. JRA Talk 06:27, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to update the Pirates' new away jersey's on their homepage? Thanks Pitt3484 ( talk) 06:37, 23 February 2020 (UTC)Pitt3484
It's been almost 2 months since List of Major League Baseball single-inning home run leaders was nominated for FL (and a month since anyone has left comments). If a couple of folks from our baseball community can give it a quick look and some input, that would be much appreciated. — Bloom6132 ( talk) 12:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Should it contain entries for teams like the Canton Citizens even though it was never a ML team? Canton was a member of Mississippi–Ohio Valley League before that league merged with the Midwest League. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 23:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Stephen Strasburg, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
So, the infobox images of the team logos and cap insignias are getting targeted for improper fair use claims. From what I've seen, the Expos' cap insignia was deleted despite my best efforts to fight it. And the Orioles team logo was deleted uncontested. Is there anything we can do about this? True CRaysball | #RaysUp 06:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Wanted other opinions since the articles are not in my wheelhouse. From 2011 until 2018, History of baseball was a redirect to Origins of baseball. In May 2018, part of the Baseball article was split and pasted at the History article. I am concerned that the incoming links to History were actually meant for the Origin article, and also I wondered if these 2 articles should be merged? I know it might be a long article, but if splits were needed they should be titled specifically rather than just a broad History or Origin article. Thoughts? Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 18:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Color me crazy, but wasn't there at one time a page on the development of baseball team names, official and un-? Has it been deleted? And if we don't have one, shouldn't we?
And on a related topic, I suggest we start a discussion on regularizing pre-WW1 club names on a historically-correct basis, rather than the rather bogus Baseball Encyclopedia convention which seems to dominate (e.g. the Brooklyn club was never, ever named "Superbas;" that was a sportswriter handle akin to "Bronx Bombers." Solicitr ( talk) 00:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
MiLB.com have updated their roster template to reflect the MLB.com ones. I was wondering if we should remove all the players numbers because the new template lists their MLB/MiLB spring training camp rosters and since there won't likely be an MiLB season this year. 24.162.134.57 ( talk) 17:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently working on Ray Burris' article. It was embarrassingly bad when I got to it. There's no reason a guy who had a 15 year career should have a 3 sentence article. I'd like to encourage others to expand articles that need expanding. If writing isn't your thing, I take suggestions. Johnny Spasm ( talk) 23:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Mike Jackson (right-handed pitcher), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Therapyisgood ( talk) 19:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Ryan Hanigan, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Therapyisgood ( talk) 21:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, I realize this may be a big ask, and maybe I'm alone in this. There's a lot of playoffs articles that include a "composite score" like so: 2019_World_Series#Composite line score. It combines all the individual inning scores across all the games. I'm sure people have put good-faith work into them. However... what is the point of these? I think Wikipedia is unusual in thinking this is a thing at all, I certainly don't recall older newspaper articles or books ever presenting this. It seems to be something Wikipedia made up. What is the relevance? Does it signify anything if one team scored more runs in the fifth inning and the other team did very well in the seventh inning? It's a box score of a fake game that never happened and had 3-7 times as much run scoring as normal. It's useless at best, misleading at worst.
Now, this shouldn't be confused with not having stats-in-general across a series. The total runs / hits / errors, sure, include those. Maybe even other series-wide stats, if desired, like walks, stolen bases, etc. The inning-by-inning scoring breakdown, however, just doesn't make sense. There's lots of ways to theoretically present the stats from a series - you could create some sort of runs-by-batting-order chart that rather than by inning, e.g. comparing runs scored by the #2 spots in each team's batting order. You could do runs scored by the player's zodiac sign. Fanciful, and about as useful.
Am I the only one who thinks all these are weird? Would anyone else be up for a policy deprecating these, and using an adjusted template that only had totals or useful series-wide statistics? SnowFire ( talk) 00:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Seeing tentative support for this, I've removed a few of them, and will slowly remove some more if nobody complains. I'm not sure this change will "stick" however without some sort of guidance or policy, since I'm sure someone will see the composite score "missing" and run to fix it until they've been removed everywhere... I guess we'll see. SnowFire ( talk) 02:42, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, all verifiable information need not be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article ...— Bagumba ( talk) 04:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I've seen the progress being made at Wikipedia:The 50,000 Destubbing Challenge, and was thinking maybe it's time for us to work on some of the stubs in this project. Given baseball operations are mostly suspended right now, now would be as good of a time as any to expand all these 2-4 sentence articles we have. Thoughts? Wizardman 21:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Need a source. Many "RS" (a dubious classification with regard to early baseball), such as the Britannica, assert that Philadelphia N.L. officially adopted the name Phillies in 1890, making it the oldest team name in American professional sports. But I'll be darned if I can find a primary source backing up the assertion. Anyone? Solicitr ( talk) 20:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
All articles in the Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster article need a massive overhaul. It looks like these lists haven't been updated in nine years, which is a shame in a sense. The Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster (I–J) for instance still lists Raúl Ibañez as on the active roster. The lists need massive statistical and player overhauls, and probably lead updates too for new players. I asked the author about this about a week ago but that user hasn't edited for a while. If someone wants to take up the mantle on these that would be great. I would also like to note the ref label template that Template:Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster/Key uses, and the corresponding note label templates the articles use has been depreciated for some time now. Therapyisgood ( talk) 06:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
There's an image of Dave Freisleben on his article showing him in a Padres uniform. I'm not 100% sure about all the rules on copyright images and stuff, but I'd like to change the image to one on the net that I find more relevant. How do I do that unobjectionably? I think I made that word up, but I think you all get it. Also, the line " National League Player of the Week (May 24-30, 1976" was removed from his infobox. Why? I get not including something like that for, say, Pete Rose or Derek Jeter or anyone else who has a series of far more impressive career highlights, but when someone has a far less glorious career, why not include items like that in an infobox? I believe standard rules on what is and isn't acceptable for a career highlight is ridiculous. Would I include "Topps Rookie All-Star" on Joe Morgan's page? No. Would I include it on Jose Alberto Laboy? Yeah, why not? Johnny Spasm ( talk) 13:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I started—then abandoned—an effort to built Postseason results page for Major League Baseball (see also NFL playoff results), and I want to get this project taken out of my hands with more collaborators. I plan on moving this sandbox draft to Major League Baseball postseason results in the near future. – Piranha 249 21:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in a Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/The 1000 Destubbing Challenge to see 1000 baseball-related articles destubbed? Not a contest but it might be something which works to help improve existing content. If there is more than five people interested I'll create it.† Encyclopædius 11:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
MLB Collective Bargaining Agreement article was recently created and was assessed a GA rating (I changed it to Stub). It may need to be tagged for deletion, as the information could be detailed in Major League Baseball Players Association. However, I chose to bring it here because I can envision a fully detailed article about the current agreement as well as past agreements. If the project chose to keep it based on that, it would need to be renamed of course. Neonblak talk - 15:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Looks like we are gonna get a season... a shorter one than usual but still.... couple of things as we get ready to work the articles for this new season. 1) I think the season articles should contain the original game schedule as well as the new one... so we can discuss how it was changed as a result of the pandemic.. 2) Rosters... since they will be weird this season should we do a new roster template for the season (based off the spring training one) that lists the "taxi squad" or the 60 man "reserve list" instead of "inactive" players.. with maybe the 40-man roster guys designated with a *. What do you guys think? Spanneraol ( talk) 01:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to mark in every players articles if they test positive? Especially if they are asymptomatic.. I mean this could wind up being a lot of players so it seems really unnecessary and not encyclopedic... If they suffer serious illness from it sure but just getting a positive test? Anyone think this belongs? Spanneraol ( talk) 02:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
In past years I've used the release of the next season's schedule as my benchmark for the timing of the creation of team pages for the next season. MLB released the 2021 season schedule this week, but in my gut it feels too early to begin creating team pages for the 2021 season when there has yet to be a plate appearance for the 2020 season. (Some 2020 team pages don't even have the revised schedule in the game log for this year yet!) Is it time? Is it too early? Do we wait until about the 3rd week of August to begin creating those pages like we've done in past years? Bob305 ( talk) 20:49, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
For MLB players there's a panel on the right hand side of the page with the player's picture and some basic info. For an example look at the page of 2020 #2 draft pick Heston Kjerstad. Conspicuously missing is the player's height and weight. This is something that many users would probably want to know. I tried editing the Infobox baseball biography part of the page but it didn't work. Any suggestions ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Comic Book Guy ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
For background, here is the most recent discussion on this topic from the archives. My views are the same as before (and in the minority). isaacl ( talk) 22:22, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Here: Talk:Ty Cobb#It's time and past time to fix the batting average thing. I noticed this some of our articles have Cobbs lifetime average as .367 ( Ty Cobb, and 3,000 hit club, and Ty Cobb (song), and List of Major League Baseball records considered unbreakable, and probably others) while others have .366 ( Batting average (baseball), and List of Major League Baseball career batting average leaders, and probably others). Whichever you believe, it's not good to be giving the reader different values in different places I don't think. Herostratus ( talk) 17:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, have a proposition for you. I'm a paid staff member of Baseball Prospectus but also a longtime editor of Wikipedia (see my COI disclosure on my user page). There's interest at BP in updating the Wiki article. They're not trying to whitewash anything (e.g., the criticism section); rather, they want to bring the article more up to date with what the site has been doing lately. I'm fully aware that editing on behalf of your employer is frowned upon, so I'd like to work with the community here to only make changes we agree are compliant with Wikipedia's core policies. How does the community feel about working with me to implement some changes in that vein? If Muboshgu is available for input, I'd like to hear his thoughts. -- Jprg1966 (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
With the page List of baseball players who went directly to Major League Baseball, we should be seeing a few more entries on this list?
With the minor league season being cancelled, the college and high school players selected in the 2020 Major League Baseball draft that goes on to make their MLB debut this year should qualify to be put on the list, right?
Or would it be better to have a special subsection on that page dedicated to the effects of coronavirus, and list the affected players there? Canuck89 (Converse with me) 11:23, July 24, 2020 (UTC)
The discussion is here [3]. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
It's been over a month since List of Major League Baseball players with a home run in their first major league at bat was nominated for FL. If a couple of folks from our baseball community can give it a quick look and some input, that would be much appreciated. — Bloom6132 ( talk) 10:39, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster and their prodigy for FL Review at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster/archive1. Therapyisgood ( talk) 00:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Greetings, To fix the right side page overflow issue, I changed the "Page Content" lines from transclude to wikilinks instead. At "Statistics" section I added progression, pie graph, rainbow, wikilink QO daily log and popular pages. JoeNMLC ( talk) 13:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
I thought this Wikiproject should be made aware that many, if not most, cap insignias have been listed at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2020_August_14. Interested editors may wish to comment there. Indeed, if consensus emerges that cap logos violate the NFCC, this Wikiproject's manual of style may need to be updated. schetm ( talk) 03:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
The above article includes this sentence:
Coleman's duties were expanded to being host of Mets Extra (and later a fill-in play-by-play) when former host Howie Rose was hired to do play-by-play for the Mets and the Islanders games on SportsChannel New York.
SportsChannel New York is a wikilink, however I'm not sure what its target should be. Either MSG Plus or SportsChannel. The page SportsChannel New York currently redirects to the former, for what it's worth. Which one should I use? -- Puzzledvegetable Is it teatime already? 12:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
I was recently contacted by Fugitiveartist, the granddaughter of Howie Williamson, who offered to help expand the article. I've tried to explain our verifiability and original research policies, but beyond that I'd appreciate it if a more experienced content worker was able to chime in with advice that will probably be more helpful than mine. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 12:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to career statistics, line where it has his Hits per 9 innings stat. Change 7.84 to 7.47. Source: Baseball Reference pitching leaderboards: hits per 9 innings pitched. Seaver is #39.(round to three figures, 7.47). Thank you for your time. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:D945:D5B4:306D:41AC ( talk) 02:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I have corrected it. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 02:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I created an article this week on the 1919 Detroit Stars season. However, I found the Template:Infobox baseball season yearly a bit confusing, and it's kind of messed up. If anyone here is familiar with the workings of the template, I would appreciate help in fixing the layout in the 1919 Stars article. Thanks, Cbl62 ( talk) 03:15, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
The following World Series articles individual game narratives (all or most) can be expanded. They are 1909, 1910, 1915, 1917, 1920, 1934 and 1944 World Series. Have a good day. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 ( talk) 14:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The season article style guide ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/MLB team season articles format) does not specify a standard for the opening sentence. I'm not suggesting we must have one, as one size does not necessarily fit all, but I thought I'd get some feedback on some alternatives and see what's working well and what could be improved. My starting point was noticing that many such articles don't meet Manual of Style guideines for the first sentence ( MOS:BOLDAVOID etc.), so I am intending to fix some of these.
Interested to hear what others think about what links to include and how it is phrased. -- Jameboy ( talk) 12:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
My requirements are follow MOS:BOLDAVOID and provide links to the team article and the respective MLB season. In the above Mets example, "2014 season" is MOS:EGGy and should be expanded to 2014 Major League Baseball season.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed a bunch of Yankees related biographical articles have had there infobox photos changed out to blurry screenshots from YES Network press conferences. Examples are this version of Buck Showalter and Mike Ford (baseball), where the infobox photo was updated to an image of him that is more recent and front facing, but in my opinion is far less descriptive and clear as the previous image. I think that while newer is ideal preferable, a clearer image is far more important and that in general having a headshot is not particularly important for athlete infoboxes. I have already started changing some of them back but I'd like to also build a consensus. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 19:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi. This editor needs help. He thinks it is a fine idea to (use tools to) revert proper updates to infoboxes of baseball stats. As he did here. I asked why he did that. He thinks a ref is needed with each update - and says that otherwise it is vandalism.
I tried explaining things to him without success. Can someone set him straight before I lose it? Thanks. -- 2604:2000:E010:1100:B1D8:2CA1:6CE6:78E8 ( talk) 06:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
... and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material.A non-baseball editor could legitimately not know where the information came from. There's no existing reference link in the infobox. It's not sourced in the body. If it's challenged (or not), just put the reference's URL in the edit summary.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
A fairly new user has split the Vancouver Canadians into two articles: Vancouver Canadians (the current Northwest League franchise) and Vancouver Canadians (PCL) (a team that preceded it in the Pacific Coast League). Succinctly, the PCL team relocated to Sacramento, and a NWL team was acquired and relocated to continue as the Canadians. I’m of the opinion that they are the same team and should be merged back to Vancouver Canadians.
I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to see if we are still of the same consensus. We may see more of this in the coming months with the likelihood that several MiLB teams may change classifications and/or leagues, this would be a good discussion to point back to when handling those changes. (I’m also temporarily with out a desktop internet connection, so I can’t perform the reverts myself very easily.) NatureBoyMD ( talk) 02:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
How does one edit the infoboxes for the Wild Card Game articles? I'm trying to add in 2020 American League Wild Card Series & 2020 National League Wild Card Series to the infoboxes at 2019 American League Wild Card Game & 2019 National League Wild Card Game articles. GoodDay ( talk) 15:50, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is the playoff format for 2020 will be different, and thus the article names will need to be different as well.: Won't the playoffs still unchanged at a high level with wild card, division, and league championship series? [4]— Bagumba ( talk) 04:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Needs to be updated, so it will show the extra playoffs teams. GoodDay ( talk) 21:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm seeing a lot of new articles sourced to it, so I wanted to confirm whether it's considered WP:RS. Thanks for any guidance anyone can offer. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 23:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the short description that appears at the bottom of {{ Infobox baseball league wild card game}}. Comments are welcome. isaacl ( talk) 23:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been working on bringing the Brooks Pounders article up to GA status, and noticed during the effort that I can't find a link for pitching mechanics, and didn't notice an entry in either the M or P glossary of baseball pages, although I may have just missed it. Do we have an article or list entry on this subject somewhere, because it's a fairly fundamental concept. Hog Farm Bacon 03:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
It isn't showing up in the project's article alerts, so if you'd like to chime in on the deletion of the now-defunct team rosters in the Appalachian League, you may do so at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 29#Appalachian League rosters. NatureBoyMD ( talk) 13:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys.. where are the team colors from the templates set? Someone changed the Dodgers secondary color to Red.... and red is really not a significant color in their scheme... it should be blue/white like it was before... But I can't figure out where those are set. Spanneraol ( talk) 04:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to Adolfo Phillips page, reference section. June and 11, 1967 are spaced far apart and I don't know how to correct that. Correct so it so it is together. (June 11, 1967). Thank you. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:2549:D739:8645:E35F ( talk) 03:11, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, hoping for some advice on naming conventions. Because of a second Ron Tompkins, I need to disambiguate the baseball player Ronald Everett Tompkins. Might someone from this project suggest what I rename his page? The other Ron Tompkins is a doctor, not a baseball player, if that helps. Thanks for the assistance! Innisfree987 ( talk) 01:04, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion about the use of team colors in baseball articles at Module talk:Sports color#A couple of issues with these colours. The particular focus is on the use of dark backgrounds in sortable tables, which obscures sort arrows, and blue text that may appear to look like a hyperlink. Any interested parties are invited to weigh in there. NatureBoyMD ( talk) 13:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Some editors have been changing the infobox on the Major League Baseball page so the "current season" field points to the current World Series instead of the MLB season article. The infobox, being a generic sports league one, does use the label "Current season, competition or edition". Nonetheless, personally I feel the MLB season article encompasses both the regular season and the playoffs, and would be an appropriate entry for the infobox. I think "competition" is better suited for sports that don't feature a regular season plus playoffs, but regardless, I don't think it's a good fit for describing the current phase of the Major League Baseball schedule. What does everyone think? isaacl ( talk) 17:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I think of the current season link as a hatnote of sorts. Someone enters MLB wanting to know what is happening currently this season, not historically, but it's ambiguous with the league, MLB, itself. Someone who then wants the playoffs or what not can get there through the current season page's TOC. Though I would think they would enter "MLB playoffs" or "World Series" otherwise. Yeah, the template should be customizable to display something more specific than verbose "Current season, competition or edition".— Bagumba ( talk) 07:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Is there a consensus about including “US” after City, State in Template:Infobox baseball biography? User:Nikkimaria is adding it to several players ( example). If there is no consensus against this, then she is certainly within her rights to add it. I know it hasn’t been standard practice to add it, but that is not the same as a consensus. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
I recently noted that Alex Gordon does not have his two Platinum Glove awards listed with his achievements. I attempted to add them, as they are listed for Matt Chapman, Nolan Arenado, Yadier Molina, and all other winners of the award; however, my edits were reverted twice. Shouldn’t they be a part of his achievements?
The Kip ( talk) 02:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.
The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process ( WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.
The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.
I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{ u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.
Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) ( talk) 23:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
New article idea I'm working on that I need help with for awhile. – Piranha 249 18:05, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the talk page for the Major League Baseball rivalries article regarding the appropriateness of a recent addition. There are other recent additions as well that might warrant discussion. Comments are welcome. isaacl ( talk) 01:05, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
I noticed recently a lot of team presidents were listed as President of Baseball Operations in teams infobox. I corrected that as they are very different jobs, however I find it strange that we don't have a spot for team president in the infobox. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 18:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to add a new line to an infobox? JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 00:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to make a street baseball article, which would broadly summarize the differences between various games in Category:Baseball genres from regular baseball, and could someone make it? I don't know the finer points of many of those games, but I think it could be interesting to have a definitive article to link to from Baseball, and it also might be somewhat useful for comparing street cricket in the Comparison between baseball and cricket article. GreekApple123 ( talk) 00:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
I'd appreciate a third opinion over at Talk:White Flag Trade, where Dennis Osmosis and I are at a bit of an impasse regarding the tone of the article. I came across the article looking like this a couple weeks ago, and was surprised at the relatively positive tone of the article given what I could find in external sources. I made this addition, Dennis reverted, and that's where the discussion on the talk page starts. Alyo ( chat· edits) 00:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Cecil Perkins age in infobox has to be changed from 79 to 80. I cant figure out how to change that. Thank you for your time. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:FD80:78A2:FA58:D25D ( talk) 12:00, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, it's clear that the Minor League Baseball article, the articles on the affiliated minor leagues, and the List of Minor League Baseball leagues and teams are going to need major overhauls soon to keep it updated to reflect the changes being wrought. That said, I think it's best if we a) don't try to piecemeal the changes b) don't report rumors as facts, and c) wait until the full lineup of leagues, affiliates, and classifications are known. It won't be too long what with the initial trickle of info released already. Per WP:NOTNEWS, I think it's best if we just plain wait for all info to be known, therefore don't fall into the trap of WP:CRYSTALBALL issues. oknazevad ( talk) 22:45, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Please see this article. This may have massive implications for any articles on MLB statistics and records. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 19:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I think waiting until Baseball Reference and MLB update is a good idea. This is a major decision, and it'll probably stick, but if it doesn't, it'd be annoying to have to change everything back. Sanfranciscogiants17 ( talk) 11:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
See post at Village Pump Technical, here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source indicating that the copyrights to Bowman baseball cards were never renewed? Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Style advice recommends them for use in articles, and there's a template indicating that they're in the public domain, but there doesn't seem to be any authority for the assertion. I ask because this issue came up in an FA review. Sanfranciscogiants17 ( talk) 13:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
A request for comment is open regarding the use of parenthetical disambiguation in relation to articles on sports stadia here: Wikipedia talk:Article titles#RfC Naming convention for sports stadia. Input is welcome. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I think going forward, we should try to create one postseason article for all rounds through the World Series, as the idea of arbitrarily splitting by round and league is ineffective. – Piranha 249 17:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
One more addition, I've proposed consolidating several articles ( List of Major League Baseball postseason teams, League Championship Series, Division Series, and Major League Baseball wild card) into an expanded Major League Baseball postseason article, as it makes no sense to have these as separate articles currently. I've also proposed all series results be centralized into a postseason results article, starting with the ALDS, NLDS, and Wild Card Games. – Piranha 249 21:35, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm looking for opinions on what should and shouldn't be included in this infobox. It isn't the most bloated infobox I've ever seen, but perhaps some changes could be made. Infinite mission ( talk) 01:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know the correct or I guess standard making for teams like the Kansas City Monarchs (2021-)? Something about that doesn’t look right but I’m not sure what... Corky 18:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Went ahead and moved it to the (2021–present) title because the dash is needed per MOS:DASH (the hyphen is incorrect) and per MOS:DATERANGE. oknazevad ( talk) 19:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello and good day. In 1928 Detroit Tigers season, other batters, when adding Paul Easterling, my addition (edit) was denied, claimed as not constructive. There must be a slight problem on my end why I am denied entering that. His stats came from the Baseball Reference page. Hope someone can help me with this. Had this problem over 2 years ago but cleared up. Have a good day. 2601:581:8402:6620:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 ( talk) 12:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
It seems the issue has been resolved for now. Please disregard. 2601:581:8402:6620:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 ( talk) 15:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Was having a conversation with some users on WikiProject NBA's talk page, and the topic of using Module:Sports table came up. It made me consider why many NA leagues still don't use the module, and also to try and build an experimental sports table for the League and Division-level standings (eventually).
My plan for these developments is to base them on standings like the 2012–13 NHL Conference standings, including a cut-off line between the postseason teams and those in the hunt. What's your thoughts? – Piranha 249 02:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
So, it's come to my attention through my reading at Baseball America that the historic minor league names may not be used for the newly structured minor leagues. And that includes the name "Minor League Baseball" due to rights issues. Apparently the way the reorganization is actually legally being structured all the invited teams are formally leaving their existing leagues and joining new leagues under direct MLB control. And none of the league lineups are actually set yet. So there may have to be a lot of redoing of the work already done on the subject once it becomes clear over the next few weeks. Especially since these would not be legally the same leagues that they were previously in. This is why I wanted to wait to make wholesale changes, as it was a lot more complex than we thought. oknazevad ( talk) 18:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I would urge patience as we wait for further confirmation but it's pretty peculiar that a league like the FSL, which is only losing two teams and not gaining any, would be announced as "Low-A Southeast" instead of simply retaining its name being a league based entirely in the state of Florida. Tampabay721 ( talk) 17:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
How exactly does the new term "Professional Development Leagues" fit into all this now? BilCat ( talk) 20:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
What the heck is this "musical career" nonsense at Bruce Robinson (baseball)? Echoedmyron ( talk) 23:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm currently in the process of creating a centralized list of game sevens to replace the current article. If you can, please be sure to help out as much as possible! – Piranha 249 18:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I’m happy to chip away at this project from time to time. Made my first additions last night. PatrickAtBeanstalk ( talk) 16:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I recently noticed that the infobox on Hank Aaron's page lists his full name above his date/place of birth. I can't say I've spotted this on any other MLB page, but obviously the parameter is there, so I went looking for consensus on if it's supposed to be used, and came up empty-handed. Am I not seeing the forest for the trees? I figure that, given that the template has a space for it, there's probably a reason most articles don't use it, but I could be wrong. Nohomersryan ( talk) 00:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone see any value in the recently defunct minor leagues having tables listing members in their final season along with what league they moved to for 2021? I don't. It seems arbitrary. Some editors have reverted their removal, so I wanted to see if there was a consensus for their inclusion or removal. NatureBoyMD ( talk) 15:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
My original reason for asking is that using the previously existing tables with an added column for a team’s 2021 league seems like too much information. If a table is the best way to display final teams, would it not be best to have columns for team name, city, and 2021 fate? Does the user need the name of their ballparks, seating capacity, division? I’m certainly not proposing forgetting about these teams or ignoring what’s happened. I just don’t wish for the league articles to look like memorials or be slanted toward recent history (any more than they already are). NatureBoyMD ( talk) 02:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi!
I recently tried to update the individual pages for all members of the Buffalo Baseball Hall of Fame by listing the accomplishment in their infobox. I then had all of my edits reverted by Yankees10, who apparently gatekeeps all the baseball player pages and is telling me that Minor League Baseball accomplishments are not important. I pointed out to him that most of the players in the Buffalo Baseball Hall of Fame overlap with members of the International League Hall of Fame, which from what I've seen is allowed in infoboxes. I asked Yankees10 why that is and why players who peaked in Minor League Baseball should not have their accomplishments listed. He had no response and referred me to the style guide. I'd like to propose an amendment to Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Player style advice so that minor league and regional Halls of Fame can be listed in infoboxes. It's also notable that several members of the Buffalo Baseball Hall of Fame played for defunct Major League franchises in Buffalo ( Buffalo Blues and the 1879–1885 Buffalo Bisons). Thanks! TheNewMinistry ( talk) 23:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
FYI wikt:en:Major League Baseball has been nominated for deletion; see wikt:en:Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English#Major League Baseball -- the entry itself is not tagged, but it is listed at deletion -- 65.93.183.33 ( talk) 00:38, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Alright. Ty Cobb's lifetime batting average is .366. I've edited his article to say so. I mean I put in three paragraphs about it, which is maybe overkill, but I guess a lot of readers are confused about all this, and some are stubborn I guess.
So just to point out first of all that the Wikipedia is the only -- and I mean literally the only -- important independent NPOV publication on Earth with any standing that is still saying (in places) that Ty Cobb's lifetime batting average was .367. At this point that is basically WP:FRINGE position which we should only mention to disprove, and certainly not to claim as true, as we are now (in places). Also we were and are saying .366 in some places and .367 in others, and that's just embarrassing.
Yeah I get that people want to mess around with the term "official", but... "official" means "legal", mostly. It can be is sometimes stretched to mean "authoritative" (that is, "able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable")
OK, so the legal sense, there are no official baseball statistics. Sorry, there just aren't. If there was any doubt of this, it was decided by ''C.B.C. Distribution Marketing v. Major League Baseball which ruled that baseball statistics, as being mere facts, are in the public domain. Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. doesn't like that. They wanted to own the statistics and only allow people to publish them that they had sold to rights to. Of course they did; they're a business, and income is income. But the court said no. (It is true that the private for-profit corporation Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. has some official -- that is, legal -- rights and responsibilities regarding major league baseball. They collect merchandise fees on copyrighted team material, handle scheduling, publish the official rule book, negotiate labor contracts, and so forth. These are all things that require legal authority, which Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. has. Because Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. has some authority, some people -- not many anymore, but still some I guess -- think that they also have legal authority in areas where they don't, but would just as soon people think they do.
So what about in the "authoritative" sense -- "able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable"? Are you kidding? Nobody -- and I mean actually literally nobody -- with any expertise and standing in the baseball world pays any attention to Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc.'s stats. If you go to a SABR meetup and try to be like "Well, but Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. says Cobb batted .367, and after all they are pretty authoritative" you'll be treated the same as if you go a meetup of the National Geographic Society and try to argue for a flat earth.
Why does Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. -- if they mattered, which they don't -- still say that Cobb batted .367? Heck if I know, but I assume that's it combination of being still run by stubborn boomers ("The passage of 70 years, in our judgment, constitutes a certain statute of limitation as to recognizing any changes" -- Bowie Kuhn) and existing for the purpose of making a profit and not caring too much about things that don't impact that. It is true that Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. outsources it's statistics compilation work to Elias, which has statisticians and historians on staff and is for most things considered reliable, but first of all Elias doesn't reveal its sources or methodology, which makes them useless as a historical or scientific source, and second of all I think we can all be quite sure that Elias's methodology in this case is "The client wants us to say .367, so we do."
It's not worth arguing about this. I mean the arguments for Cobb hitting .367 basically devolve to "When I was 12, I read the Fireside Book of Baseball cover to cover, and it said..." or "In my day we played with an old taped-up ball in the field down by the creek, and my grandpappy told me Ty Cobb hit .367, and we didn't have this monkey business with four-eye neckbeards doing 'research' to vet 'facts' in some nerd-central '"library'". We don't deal with other historical facts on that basis, and let's not here. If there's any pushback on this we can go to to a time-wasting RfC. Herostratus ( talk) 15:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't think most of the third and fourth paragraphs in Ty Cobb § Regular season statistics belong there as they aren't about Ty Cobb, beyond the mentions of his batting average. There is an interesting history about MLB statistics which could perhaps be placed in the baseball statistics article that can incorporate some of this (as I understand it, through most of its history MLB didn't keep its own record book; it's progressed to the point where it hired one of the preeminent sabermetricians, "Tom Tango" (aka tangotiger). as the stats guru for MLB Advanced Media). The other stuff about what Major League Baseball Enterprises does wouldn't be a fit for that article either, though. The court ruling is really about whether or not there is proprietary ownership over data, and not about the authoritativeness or officialness of baseball records, so it's a bit of a non sequitur in this context.
The concept of official records (which is just "what MLB says"—no more, no less) is getting more scrutiny once again, now that the Negro League stats will be incorporated in some manner. With this door opening to the numbers changing, perhaps the chance will be taken to incorporate the most recent research. isaacl ( talk) 06:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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User:Scribatorian has been making changes to the hall of fame sections on all the team articles... removing useful notes and other designations. There has been no discussion of this format change as far as I know and his edits seem unproductive. Spanneraol ( talk) 15:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Baseball Talk,
I have been looking at the page " List of current Major League Baseball players by nationality" for a while now and the more I look at it, the more I think it needs not only a cleanup but a complete change. There are duplicates of players everywhere, mistakes on some nationalities and birthplaces, and errors relating to national teams. I will try to keep this short but here is my idea.
1. Change the title to "List of current foreign Major League Baseball players", removing all American players born in the US (this clutters the page massively at the moment).
2. Adopt the format used on " List of current foreign Nippon Professional Baseball players".
3. Include Americans born outside US and US-born players who play for a foreign national team.
I have a sample for this on my sandbox for AL East, for reference. This uses the current 40-man rosters going through to Spring Training (provisionally).
So... I have a few questions...
1. What's everyone's thoughts on this?
2. If we go ahead with this, would it be better to use 40-man or 26-man (when the season starts)?
3. Should we at least semi-protect this page? It is one of the most wrong pages on Wikipedia and a lot of that is down to vandalism and inconsistent edits.
I would definitely like some feedback on this, as MLB is not my area of baseball.
ATrueCelt ( talk) 14:40, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
It is on three articles on minor league baseball seasons and can be found here [1]. Please come on over and join in the discussion. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 02:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Over at WikiProject College football we've had discussion recently regarding coaching trees on bio articles for coaches. Some of us noticed a proliferation in recent months of coaching tree list sections for coaches of lesser and lesser note. We reached a consensus that while such sections are appropriate for highly influential coaches where reliable third-party sources show substantive discussion of a coach's tree or legacy of coaching disciples, the vast major of such sections amount to some combination of synthesis, original research, and cruft. As such, I've culled over 800 such sections from bio articles for football coaches and left just 54, while identifying about 40 of the culled as possible candidates for inclusion, provided good sourcing can be found; see Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Coaching trees. There are smaller number of such coaching tree sections on bio articles for baseball coaches, e.g. Mark Marquess, Joe Maddon, Tim Corbin. I suspect the vast majority of these fall in the cruft bin. We are hoping to extended the consensus reached at WikiProject College football to other sports project and establish a site-wide policy on coaching trees. Please let me know your thoughts here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Tree littering. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to Gene Freese page. Go to References, click Reference #1, Gene Freese stats from Baseball Reference, goes to George Freese, not Gene Freese. Please correct. Thank you and have a good day. 2601:581:8000:BDC0:34BC:6409:E97C:88B2 ( talk) 13:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I propose to merge Utility infielder and Fourth outfielder into a single page under the title Utility player (baseball) which is currently a redirect to the relevant section of the Utility player page. Please participate in the discussion.
A list that this WikiProject is interestd is nominated at WP:FLRC here: Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Major League Baseball single-game home run leaders/archive1. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:29, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Skilgis1900 Created this article for the baseball history of all the minor league teams that played in Paris, Texas. There's around a dozen, the Paris Orioles were just the lat. My issue- About half those teams before the Orioles have their own article already, Paris Boosters and Paris Rockets for example. I see two solutions to this- All the other existing Paris MIL baseball articles get redirected over to the Orioles or the Orioles article gets purged of most of its non-Orioles content. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
In most (
~6,600) MLB player articles, in the infobox, the years they played on each team are linked using {{
MLB Year|yyyy}}
, which links to, e.g.,
1999 Major League Baseball season, an often-useful choice. However, there are apparently
over 1500 articles that, instead, use {{
Baseball year|yyyy}}
to link to, e.g.,
1999 in baseball, a more general baseball article that includes non-MLB activity (and less, useful, MLB-specific info). Note that my search is specifically only for players who started and ended their career in the MLB, so it seems there should be no reason not to link to the more specific MLB year article, right? I also limited it to 1901–2020, since the MLB season articles before that are just redirects to the general baseball year articles (not sure why players before 1903 have league parms set to MLB, but I guess it doesn't matter for this purpose).
Should a bot be used to fix these (and is there one)? It could probably be handled better than my search, and link to the appropriate article given the team and year (i.e., for players that have both MLB and non-MLB years/teams). On further thought, wouldn't it be even better to link to articles like 1913 New York Yankees season when there is one? —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 05:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
I posted this in Talk:2019 in baseball, but think I may get a bit more of a response here. I quite like the 'xxxx in baseball' articles such as 2019 in baseball, but I think they can greatly improve visually and in readability. There is also a heavy US bias with the pages and I think it would be more beneficial for them to follow a format more similar to 2019 in association football or 2019 in basketball. Looking for thoughts and opinions to avoid any edit warring. JRA Talk 05:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I've started sandboxing here what I thought would be a better look for the 2019 in baseball article. Obviously it's still wildly incomplete, but would like to get some feedback. JRA Talk 06:27, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to update the Pirates' new away jersey's on their homepage? Thanks Pitt3484 ( talk) 06:37, 23 February 2020 (UTC)Pitt3484
It's been almost 2 months since List of Major League Baseball single-inning home run leaders was nominated for FL (and a month since anyone has left comments). If a couple of folks from our baseball community can give it a quick look and some input, that would be much appreciated. — Bloom6132 ( talk) 12:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Should it contain entries for teams like the Canton Citizens even though it was never a ML team? Canton was a member of Mississippi–Ohio Valley League before that league merged with the Midwest League. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 23:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Stephen Strasburg, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
So, the infobox images of the team logos and cap insignias are getting targeted for improper fair use claims. From what I've seen, the Expos' cap insignia was deleted despite my best efforts to fight it. And the Orioles team logo was deleted uncontested. Is there anything we can do about this? True CRaysball | #RaysUp 06:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Wanted other opinions since the articles are not in my wheelhouse. From 2011 until 2018, History of baseball was a redirect to Origins of baseball. In May 2018, part of the Baseball article was split and pasted at the History article. I am concerned that the incoming links to History were actually meant for the Origin article, and also I wondered if these 2 articles should be merged? I know it might be a long article, but if splits were needed they should be titled specifically rather than just a broad History or Origin article. Thoughts? Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 18:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Color me crazy, but wasn't there at one time a page on the development of baseball team names, official and un-? Has it been deleted? And if we don't have one, shouldn't we?
And on a related topic, I suggest we start a discussion on regularizing pre-WW1 club names on a historically-correct basis, rather than the rather bogus Baseball Encyclopedia convention which seems to dominate (e.g. the Brooklyn club was never, ever named "Superbas;" that was a sportswriter handle akin to "Bronx Bombers." Solicitr ( talk) 00:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
MiLB.com have updated their roster template to reflect the MLB.com ones. I was wondering if we should remove all the players numbers because the new template lists their MLB/MiLB spring training camp rosters and since there won't likely be an MiLB season this year. 24.162.134.57 ( talk) 17:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently working on Ray Burris' article. It was embarrassingly bad when I got to it. There's no reason a guy who had a 15 year career should have a 3 sentence article. I'd like to encourage others to expand articles that need expanding. If writing isn't your thing, I take suggestions. Johnny Spasm ( talk) 23:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Mike Jackson (right-handed pitcher), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Therapyisgood ( talk) 19:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Ryan Hanigan, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Therapyisgood ( talk) 21:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, I realize this may be a big ask, and maybe I'm alone in this. There's a lot of playoffs articles that include a "composite score" like so: 2019_World_Series#Composite line score. It combines all the individual inning scores across all the games. I'm sure people have put good-faith work into them. However... what is the point of these? I think Wikipedia is unusual in thinking this is a thing at all, I certainly don't recall older newspaper articles or books ever presenting this. It seems to be something Wikipedia made up. What is the relevance? Does it signify anything if one team scored more runs in the fifth inning and the other team did very well in the seventh inning? It's a box score of a fake game that never happened and had 3-7 times as much run scoring as normal. It's useless at best, misleading at worst.
Now, this shouldn't be confused with not having stats-in-general across a series. The total runs / hits / errors, sure, include those. Maybe even other series-wide stats, if desired, like walks, stolen bases, etc. The inning-by-inning scoring breakdown, however, just doesn't make sense. There's lots of ways to theoretically present the stats from a series - you could create some sort of runs-by-batting-order chart that rather than by inning, e.g. comparing runs scored by the #2 spots in each team's batting order. You could do runs scored by the player's zodiac sign. Fanciful, and about as useful.
Am I the only one who thinks all these are weird? Would anyone else be up for a policy deprecating these, and using an adjusted template that only had totals or useful series-wide statistics? SnowFire ( talk) 00:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Seeing tentative support for this, I've removed a few of them, and will slowly remove some more if nobody complains. I'm not sure this change will "stick" however without some sort of guidance or policy, since I'm sure someone will see the composite score "missing" and run to fix it until they've been removed everywhere... I guess we'll see. SnowFire ( talk) 02:42, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, all verifiable information need not be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article ...— Bagumba ( talk) 04:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I've seen the progress being made at Wikipedia:The 50,000 Destubbing Challenge, and was thinking maybe it's time for us to work on some of the stubs in this project. Given baseball operations are mostly suspended right now, now would be as good of a time as any to expand all these 2-4 sentence articles we have. Thoughts? Wizardman 21:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Need a source. Many "RS" (a dubious classification with regard to early baseball), such as the Britannica, assert that Philadelphia N.L. officially adopted the name Phillies in 1890, making it the oldest team name in American professional sports. But I'll be darned if I can find a primary source backing up the assertion. Anyone? Solicitr ( talk) 20:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
All articles in the Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster article need a massive overhaul. It looks like these lists haven't been updated in nine years, which is a shame in a sense. The Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster (I–J) for instance still lists Raúl Ibañez as on the active roster. The lists need massive statistical and player overhauls, and probably lead updates too for new players. I asked the author about this about a week ago but that user hasn't edited for a while. If someone wants to take up the mantle on these that would be great. I would also like to note the ref label template that Template:Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster/Key uses, and the corresponding note label templates the articles use has been depreciated for some time now. Therapyisgood ( talk) 06:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
There's an image of Dave Freisleben on his article showing him in a Padres uniform. I'm not 100% sure about all the rules on copyright images and stuff, but I'd like to change the image to one on the net that I find more relevant. How do I do that unobjectionably? I think I made that word up, but I think you all get it. Also, the line " National League Player of the Week (May 24-30, 1976" was removed from his infobox. Why? I get not including something like that for, say, Pete Rose or Derek Jeter or anyone else who has a series of far more impressive career highlights, but when someone has a far less glorious career, why not include items like that in an infobox? I believe standard rules on what is and isn't acceptable for a career highlight is ridiculous. Would I include "Topps Rookie All-Star" on Joe Morgan's page? No. Would I include it on Jose Alberto Laboy? Yeah, why not? Johnny Spasm ( talk) 13:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I started—then abandoned—an effort to built Postseason results page for Major League Baseball (see also NFL playoff results), and I want to get this project taken out of my hands with more collaborators. I plan on moving this sandbox draft to Major League Baseball postseason results in the near future. – Piranha 249 21:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in a Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/The 1000 Destubbing Challenge to see 1000 baseball-related articles destubbed? Not a contest but it might be something which works to help improve existing content. If there is more than five people interested I'll create it.† Encyclopædius 11:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
MLB Collective Bargaining Agreement article was recently created and was assessed a GA rating (I changed it to Stub). It may need to be tagged for deletion, as the information could be detailed in Major League Baseball Players Association. However, I chose to bring it here because I can envision a fully detailed article about the current agreement as well as past agreements. If the project chose to keep it based on that, it would need to be renamed of course. Neonblak talk - 15:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Looks like we are gonna get a season... a shorter one than usual but still.... couple of things as we get ready to work the articles for this new season. 1) I think the season articles should contain the original game schedule as well as the new one... so we can discuss how it was changed as a result of the pandemic.. 2) Rosters... since they will be weird this season should we do a new roster template for the season (based off the spring training one) that lists the "taxi squad" or the 60 man "reserve list" instead of "inactive" players.. with maybe the 40-man roster guys designated with a *. What do you guys think? Spanneraol ( talk) 01:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to mark in every players articles if they test positive? Especially if they are asymptomatic.. I mean this could wind up being a lot of players so it seems really unnecessary and not encyclopedic... If they suffer serious illness from it sure but just getting a positive test? Anyone think this belongs? Spanneraol ( talk) 02:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
In past years I've used the release of the next season's schedule as my benchmark for the timing of the creation of team pages for the next season. MLB released the 2021 season schedule this week, but in my gut it feels too early to begin creating team pages for the 2021 season when there has yet to be a plate appearance for the 2020 season. (Some 2020 team pages don't even have the revised schedule in the game log for this year yet!) Is it time? Is it too early? Do we wait until about the 3rd week of August to begin creating those pages like we've done in past years? Bob305 ( talk) 20:49, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
For MLB players there's a panel on the right hand side of the page with the player's picture and some basic info. For an example look at the page of 2020 #2 draft pick Heston Kjerstad. Conspicuously missing is the player's height and weight. This is something that many users would probably want to know. I tried editing the Infobox baseball biography part of the page but it didn't work. Any suggestions ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Comic Book Guy ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
For background, here is the most recent discussion on this topic from the archives. My views are the same as before (and in the minority). isaacl ( talk) 22:22, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Here: Talk:Ty Cobb#It's time and past time to fix the batting average thing. I noticed this some of our articles have Cobbs lifetime average as .367 ( Ty Cobb, and 3,000 hit club, and Ty Cobb (song), and List of Major League Baseball records considered unbreakable, and probably others) while others have .366 ( Batting average (baseball), and List of Major League Baseball career batting average leaders, and probably others). Whichever you believe, it's not good to be giving the reader different values in different places I don't think. Herostratus ( talk) 17:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, have a proposition for you. I'm a paid staff member of Baseball Prospectus but also a longtime editor of Wikipedia (see my COI disclosure on my user page). There's interest at BP in updating the Wiki article. They're not trying to whitewash anything (e.g., the criticism section); rather, they want to bring the article more up to date with what the site has been doing lately. I'm fully aware that editing on behalf of your employer is frowned upon, so I'd like to work with the community here to only make changes we agree are compliant with Wikipedia's core policies. How does the community feel about working with me to implement some changes in that vein? If Muboshgu is available for input, I'd like to hear his thoughts. -- Jprg1966 (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
With the page List of baseball players who went directly to Major League Baseball, we should be seeing a few more entries on this list?
With the minor league season being cancelled, the college and high school players selected in the 2020 Major League Baseball draft that goes on to make their MLB debut this year should qualify to be put on the list, right?
Or would it be better to have a special subsection on that page dedicated to the effects of coronavirus, and list the affected players there? Canuck89 (Converse with me) 11:23, July 24, 2020 (UTC)
The discussion is here [3]. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
It's been over a month since List of Major League Baseball players with a home run in their first major league at bat was nominated for FL. If a couple of folks from our baseball community can give it a quick look and some input, that would be much appreciated. — Bloom6132 ( talk) 10:39, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster and their prodigy for FL Review at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster/archive1. Therapyisgood ( talk) 00:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Greetings, To fix the right side page overflow issue, I changed the "Page Content" lines from transclude to wikilinks instead. At "Statistics" section I added progression, pie graph, rainbow, wikilink QO daily log and popular pages. JoeNMLC ( talk) 13:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
I thought this Wikiproject should be made aware that many, if not most, cap insignias have been listed at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2020_August_14. Interested editors may wish to comment there. Indeed, if consensus emerges that cap logos violate the NFCC, this Wikiproject's manual of style may need to be updated. schetm ( talk) 03:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
The above article includes this sentence:
Coleman's duties were expanded to being host of Mets Extra (and later a fill-in play-by-play) when former host Howie Rose was hired to do play-by-play for the Mets and the Islanders games on SportsChannel New York.
SportsChannel New York is a wikilink, however I'm not sure what its target should be. Either MSG Plus or SportsChannel. The page SportsChannel New York currently redirects to the former, for what it's worth. Which one should I use? -- Puzzledvegetable Is it teatime already? 12:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
I was recently contacted by Fugitiveartist, the granddaughter of Howie Williamson, who offered to help expand the article. I've tried to explain our verifiability and original research policies, but beyond that I'd appreciate it if a more experienced content worker was able to chime in with advice that will probably be more helpful than mine. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 12:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to career statistics, line where it has his Hits per 9 innings stat. Change 7.84 to 7.47. Source: Baseball Reference pitching leaderboards: hits per 9 innings pitched. Seaver is #39.(round to three figures, 7.47). Thank you for your time. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:D945:D5B4:306D:41AC ( talk) 02:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I have corrected it. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 02:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I created an article this week on the 1919 Detroit Stars season. However, I found the Template:Infobox baseball season yearly a bit confusing, and it's kind of messed up. If anyone here is familiar with the workings of the template, I would appreciate help in fixing the layout in the 1919 Stars article. Thanks, Cbl62 ( talk) 03:15, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
The following World Series articles individual game narratives (all or most) can be expanded. They are 1909, 1910, 1915, 1917, 1920, 1934 and 1944 World Series. Have a good day. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 ( talk) 14:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The season article style guide ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/MLB team season articles format) does not specify a standard for the opening sentence. I'm not suggesting we must have one, as one size does not necessarily fit all, but I thought I'd get some feedback on some alternatives and see what's working well and what could be improved. My starting point was noticing that many such articles don't meet Manual of Style guideines for the first sentence ( MOS:BOLDAVOID etc.), so I am intending to fix some of these.
Interested to hear what others think about what links to include and how it is phrased. -- Jameboy ( talk) 12:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
My requirements are follow MOS:BOLDAVOID and provide links to the team article and the respective MLB season. In the above Mets example, "2014 season" is MOS:EGGy and should be expanded to 2014 Major League Baseball season.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed a bunch of Yankees related biographical articles have had there infobox photos changed out to blurry screenshots from YES Network press conferences. Examples are this version of Buck Showalter and Mike Ford (baseball), where the infobox photo was updated to an image of him that is more recent and front facing, but in my opinion is far less descriptive and clear as the previous image. I think that while newer is ideal preferable, a clearer image is far more important and that in general having a headshot is not particularly important for athlete infoboxes. I have already started changing some of them back but I'd like to also build a consensus. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 19:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi. This editor needs help. He thinks it is a fine idea to (use tools to) revert proper updates to infoboxes of baseball stats. As he did here. I asked why he did that. He thinks a ref is needed with each update - and says that otherwise it is vandalism.
I tried explaining things to him without success. Can someone set him straight before I lose it? Thanks. -- 2604:2000:E010:1100:B1D8:2CA1:6CE6:78E8 ( talk) 06:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
... and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material.A non-baseball editor could legitimately not know where the information came from. There's no existing reference link in the infobox. It's not sourced in the body. If it's challenged (or not), just put the reference's URL in the edit summary.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
A fairly new user has split the Vancouver Canadians into two articles: Vancouver Canadians (the current Northwest League franchise) and Vancouver Canadians (PCL) (a team that preceded it in the Pacific Coast League). Succinctly, the PCL team relocated to Sacramento, and a NWL team was acquired and relocated to continue as the Canadians. I’m of the opinion that they are the same team and should be merged back to Vancouver Canadians.
I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to see if we are still of the same consensus. We may see more of this in the coming months with the likelihood that several MiLB teams may change classifications and/or leagues, this would be a good discussion to point back to when handling those changes. (I’m also temporarily with out a desktop internet connection, so I can’t perform the reverts myself very easily.) NatureBoyMD ( talk) 02:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
How does one edit the infoboxes for the Wild Card Game articles? I'm trying to add in 2020 American League Wild Card Series & 2020 National League Wild Card Series to the infoboxes at 2019 American League Wild Card Game & 2019 National League Wild Card Game articles. GoodDay ( talk) 15:50, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is the playoff format for 2020 will be different, and thus the article names will need to be different as well.: Won't the playoffs still unchanged at a high level with wild card, division, and league championship series? [4]— Bagumba ( talk) 04:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Needs to be updated, so it will show the extra playoffs teams. GoodDay ( talk) 21:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm seeing a lot of new articles sourced to it, so I wanted to confirm whether it's considered WP:RS. Thanks for any guidance anyone can offer. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 23:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the short description that appears at the bottom of {{ Infobox baseball league wild card game}}. Comments are welcome. isaacl ( talk) 23:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been working on bringing the Brooks Pounders article up to GA status, and noticed during the effort that I can't find a link for pitching mechanics, and didn't notice an entry in either the M or P glossary of baseball pages, although I may have just missed it. Do we have an article or list entry on this subject somewhere, because it's a fairly fundamental concept. Hog Farm Bacon 03:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
It isn't showing up in the project's article alerts, so if you'd like to chime in on the deletion of the now-defunct team rosters in the Appalachian League, you may do so at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 29#Appalachian League rosters. NatureBoyMD ( talk) 13:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys.. where are the team colors from the templates set? Someone changed the Dodgers secondary color to Red.... and red is really not a significant color in their scheme... it should be blue/white like it was before... But I can't figure out where those are set. Spanneraol ( talk) 04:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to Adolfo Phillips page, reference section. June and 11, 1967 are spaced far apart and I don't know how to correct that. Correct so it so it is together. (June 11, 1967). Thank you. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:2549:D739:8645:E35F ( talk) 03:11, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, hoping for some advice on naming conventions. Because of a second Ron Tompkins, I need to disambiguate the baseball player Ronald Everett Tompkins. Might someone from this project suggest what I rename his page? The other Ron Tompkins is a doctor, not a baseball player, if that helps. Thanks for the assistance! Innisfree987 ( talk) 01:04, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion about the use of team colors in baseball articles at Module talk:Sports color#A couple of issues with these colours. The particular focus is on the use of dark backgrounds in sortable tables, which obscures sort arrows, and blue text that may appear to look like a hyperlink. Any interested parties are invited to weigh in there. NatureBoyMD ( talk) 13:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Some editors have been changing the infobox on the Major League Baseball page so the "current season" field points to the current World Series instead of the MLB season article. The infobox, being a generic sports league one, does use the label "Current season, competition or edition". Nonetheless, personally I feel the MLB season article encompasses both the regular season and the playoffs, and would be an appropriate entry for the infobox. I think "competition" is better suited for sports that don't feature a regular season plus playoffs, but regardless, I don't think it's a good fit for describing the current phase of the Major League Baseball schedule. What does everyone think? isaacl ( talk) 17:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I think of the current season link as a hatnote of sorts. Someone enters MLB wanting to know what is happening currently this season, not historically, but it's ambiguous with the league, MLB, itself. Someone who then wants the playoffs or what not can get there through the current season page's TOC. Though I would think they would enter "MLB playoffs" or "World Series" otherwise. Yeah, the template should be customizable to display something more specific than verbose "Current season, competition or edition".— Bagumba ( talk) 07:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Is there a consensus about including “US” after City, State in Template:Infobox baseball biography? User:Nikkimaria is adding it to several players ( example). If there is no consensus against this, then she is certainly within her rights to add it. I know it hasn’t been standard practice to add it, but that is not the same as a consensus. Rikster2 ( talk) 23:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
I recently noted that Alex Gordon does not have his two Platinum Glove awards listed with his achievements. I attempted to add them, as they are listed for Matt Chapman, Nolan Arenado, Yadier Molina, and all other winners of the award; however, my edits were reverted twice. Shouldn’t they be a part of his achievements?
The Kip ( talk) 02:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.
The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process ( WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.
The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.
I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{ u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.
Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) ( talk) 23:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
New article idea I'm working on that I need help with for awhile. – Piranha 249 18:05, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the talk page for the Major League Baseball rivalries article regarding the appropriateness of a recent addition. There are other recent additions as well that might warrant discussion. Comments are welcome. isaacl ( talk) 01:05, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
I noticed recently a lot of team presidents were listed as President of Baseball Operations in teams infobox. I corrected that as they are very different jobs, however I find it strange that we don't have a spot for team president in the infobox. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 18:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to add a new line to an infobox? JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 00:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to make a street baseball article, which would broadly summarize the differences between various games in Category:Baseball genres from regular baseball, and could someone make it? I don't know the finer points of many of those games, but I think it could be interesting to have a definitive article to link to from Baseball, and it also might be somewhat useful for comparing street cricket in the Comparison between baseball and cricket article. GreekApple123 ( talk) 00:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
I'd appreciate a third opinion over at Talk:White Flag Trade, where Dennis Osmosis and I are at a bit of an impasse regarding the tone of the article. I came across the article looking like this a couple weeks ago, and was surprised at the relatively positive tone of the article given what I could find in external sources. I made this addition, Dennis reverted, and that's where the discussion on the talk page starts. Alyo ( chat· edits) 00:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Cecil Perkins age in infobox has to be changed from 79 to 80. I cant figure out how to change that. Thank you for your time. 2601:581:8402:1EE0:FD80:78A2:FA58:D25D ( talk) 12:00, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, it's clear that the Minor League Baseball article, the articles on the affiliated minor leagues, and the List of Minor League Baseball leagues and teams are going to need major overhauls soon to keep it updated to reflect the changes being wrought. That said, I think it's best if we a) don't try to piecemeal the changes b) don't report rumors as facts, and c) wait until the full lineup of leagues, affiliates, and classifications are known. It won't be too long what with the initial trickle of info released already. Per WP:NOTNEWS, I think it's best if we just plain wait for all info to be known, therefore don't fall into the trap of WP:CRYSTALBALL issues. oknazevad ( talk) 22:45, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Please see this article. This may have massive implications for any articles on MLB statistics and records. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 19:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I think waiting until Baseball Reference and MLB update is a good idea. This is a major decision, and it'll probably stick, but if it doesn't, it'd be annoying to have to change everything back. Sanfranciscogiants17 ( talk) 11:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
See post at Village Pump Technical, here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source indicating that the copyrights to Bowman baseball cards were never renewed? Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Style advice recommends them for use in articles, and there's a template indicating that they're in the public domain, but there doesn't seem to be any authority for the assertion. I ask because this issue came up in an FA review. Sanfranciscogiants17 ( talk) 13:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
A request for comment is open regarding the use of parenthetical disambiguation in relation to articles on sports stadia here: Wikipedia talk:Article titles#RfC Naming convention for sports stadia. Input is welcome. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I think going forward, we should try to create one postseason article for all rounds through the World Series, as the idea of arbitrarily splitting by round and league is ineffective. – Piranha 249 17:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
One more addition, I've proposed consolidating several articles ( List of Major League Baseball postseason teams, League Championship Series, Division Series, and Major League Baseball wild card) into an expanded Major League Baseball postseason article, as it makes no sense to have these as separate articles currently. I've also proposed all series results be centralized into a postseason results article, starting with the ALDS, NLDS, and Wild Card Games. – Piranha 249 21:35, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm looking for opinions on what should and shouldn't be included in this infobox. It isn't the most bloated infobox I've ever seen, but perhaps some changes could be made. Infinite mission ( talk) 01:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know the correct or I guess standard making for teams like the Kansas City Monarchs (2021-)? Something about that doesn’t look right but I’m not sure what... Corky 18:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Went ahead and moved it to the (2021–present) title because the dash is needed per MOS:DASH (the hyphen is incorrect) and per MOS:DATERANGE. oknazevad ( talk) 19:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello and good day. In 1928 Detroit Tigers season, other batters, when adding Paul Easterling, my addition (edit) was denied, claimed as not constructive. There must be a slight problem on my end why I am denied entering that. His stats came from the Baseball Reference page. Hope someone can help me with this. Had this problem over 2 years ago but cleared up. Have a good day. 2601:581:8402:6620:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 ( talk) 12:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
It seems the issue has been resolved for now. Please disregard. 2601:581:8402:6620:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 ( talk) 15:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Was having a conversation with some users on WikiProject NBA's talk page, and the topic of using Module:Sports table came up. It made me consider why many NA leagues still don't use the module, and also to try and build an experimental sports table for the League and Division-level standings (eventually).
My plan for these developments is to base them on standings like the 2012–13 NHL Conference standings, including a cut-off line between the postseason teams and those in the hunt. What's your thoughts? – Piranha 249 02:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
So, it's come to my attention through my reading at Baseball America that the historic minor league names may not be used for the newly structured minor leagues. And that includes the name "Minor League Baseball" due to rights issues. Apparently the way the reorganization is actually legally being structured all the invited teams are formally leaving their existing leagues and joining new leagues under direct MLB control. And none of the league lineups are actually set yet. So there may have to be a lot of redoing of the work already done on the subject once it becomes clear over the next few weeks. Especially since these would not be legally the same leagues that they were previously in. This is why I wanted to wait to make wholesale changes, as it was a lot more complex than we thought. oknazevad ( talk) 18:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I would urge patience as we wait for further confirmation but it's pretty peculiar that a league like the FSL, which is only losing two teams and not gaining any, would be announced as "Low-A Southeast" instead of simply retaining its name being a league based entirely in the state of Florida. Tampabay721 ( talk) 17:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
How exactly does the new term "Professional Development Leagues" fit into all this now? BilCat ( talk) 20:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
What the heck is this "musical career" nonsense at Bruce Robinson (baseball)? Echoedmyron ( talk) 23:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm currently in the process of creating a centralized list of game sevens to replace the current article. If you can, please be sure to help out as much as possible! – Piranha 249 18:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I’m happy to chip away at this project from time to time. Made my first additions last night. PatrickAtBeanstalk ( talk) 16:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I recently noticed that the infobox on Hank Aaron's page lists his full name above his date/place of birth. I can't say I've spotted this on any other MLB page, but obviously the parameter is there, so I went looking for consensus on if it's supposed to be used, and came up empty-handed. Am I not seeing the forest for the trees? I figure that, given that the template has a space for it, there's probably a reason most articles don't use it, but I could be wrong. Nohomersryan ( talk) 00:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone see any value in the recently defunct minor leagues having tables listing members in their final season along with what league they moved to for 2021? I don't. It seems arbitrary. Some editors have reverted their removal, so I wanted to see if there was a consensus for their inclusion or removal. NatureBoyMD ( talk) 15:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
My original reason for asking is that using the previously existing tables with an added column for a team’s 2021 league seems like too much information. If a table is the best way to display final teams, would it not be best to have columns for team name, city, and 2021 fate? Does the user need the name of their ballparks, seating capacity, division? I’m certainly not proposing forgetting about these teams or ignoring what’s happened. I just don’t wish for the league articles to look like memorials or be slanted toward recent history (any more than they already are). NatureBoyMD ( talk) 02:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi!
I recently tried to update the individual pages for all members of the Buffalo Baseball Hall of Fame by listing the accomplishment in their infobox. I then had all of my edits reverted by Yankees10, who apparently gatekeeps all the baseball player pages and is telling me that Minor League Baseball accomplishments are not important. I pointed out to him that most of the players in the Buffalo Baseball Hall of Fame overlap with members of the International League Hall of Fame, which from what I've seen is allowed in infoboxes. I asked Yankees10 why that is and why players who peaked in Minor League Baseball should not have their accomplishments listed. He had no response and referred me to the style guide. I'd like to propose an amendment to Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Player style advice so that minor league and regional Halls of Fame can be listed in infoboxes. It's also notable that several members of the Buffalo Baseball Hall of Fame played for defunct Major League franchises in Buffalo ( Buffalo Blues and the 1879–1885 Buffalo Bisons). Thanks! TheNewMinistry ( talk) 23:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
FYI wikt:en:Major League Baseball has been nominated for deletion; see wikt:en:Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English#Major League Baseball -- the entry itself is not tagged, but it is listed at deletion -- 65.93.183.33 ( talk) 00:38, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Alright. Ty Cobb's lifetime batting average is .366. I've edited his article to say so. I mean I put in three paragraphs about it, which is maybe overkill, but I guess a lot of readers are confused about all this, and some are stubborn I guess.
So just to point out first of all that the Wikipedia is the only -- and I mean literally the only -- important independent NPOV publication on Earth with any standing that is still saying (in places) that Ty Cobb's lifetime batting average was .367. At this point that is basically WP:FRINGE position which we should only mention to disprove, and certainly not to claim as true, as we are now (in places). Also we were and are saying .366 in some places and .367 in others, and that's just embarrassing.
Yeah I get that people want to mess around with the term "official", but... "official" means "legal", mostly. It can be is sometimes stretched to mean "authoritative" (that is, "able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable")
OK, so the legal sense, there are no official baseball statistics. Sorry, there just aren't. If there was any doubt of this, it was decided by ''C.B.C. Distribution Marketing v. Major League Baseball which ruled that baseball statistics, as being mere facts, are in the public domain. Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. doesn't like that. They wanted to own the statistics and only allow people to publish them that they had sold to rights to. Of course they did; they're a business, and income is income. But the court said no. (It is true that the private for-profit corporation Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. has some official -- that is, legal -- rights and responsibilities regarding major league baseball. They collect merchandise fees on copyrighted team material, handle scheduling, publish the official rule book, negotiate labor contracts, and so forth. These are all things that require legal authority, which Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. has. Because Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. has some authority, some people -- not many anymore, but still some I guess -- think that they also have legal authority in areas where they don't, but would just as soon people think they do.
So what about in the "authoritative" sense -- "able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable"? Are you kidding? Nobody -- and I mean actually literally nobody -- with any expertise and standing in the baseball world pays any attention to Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc.'s stats. If you go to a SABR meetup and try to be like "Well, but Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. says Cobb batted .367, and after all they are pretty authoritative" you'll be treated the same as if you go a meetup of the National Geographic Society and try to argue for a flat earth.
Why does Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. -- if they mattered, which they don't -- still say that Cobb batted .367? Heck if I know, but I assume that's it combination of being still run by stubborn boomers ("The passage of 70 years, in our judgment, constitutes a certain statute of limitation as to recognizing any changes" -- Bowie Kuhn) and existing for the purpose of making a profit and not caring too much about things that don't impact that. It is true that Major League Baseball Enterprises, Inc. outsources it's statistics compilation work to Elias, which has statisticians and historians on staff and is for most things considered reliable, but first of all Elias doesn't reveal its sources or methodology, which makes them useless as a historical or scientific source, and second of all I think we can all be quite sure that Elias's methodology in this case is "The client wants us to say .367, so we do."
It's not worth arguing about this. I mean the arguments for Cobb hitting .367 basically devolve to "When I was 12, I read the Fireside Book of Baseball cover to cover, and it said..." or "In my day we played with an old taped-up ball in the field down by the creek, and my grandpappy told me Ty Cobb hit .367, and we didn't have this monkey business with four-eye neckbeards doing 'research' to vet 'facts' in some nerd-central '"library'". We don't deal with other historical facts on that basis, and let's not here. If there's any pushback on this we can go to to a time-wasting RfC. Herostratus ( talk) 15:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't think most of the third and fourth paragraphs in Ty Cobb § Regular season statistics belong there as they aren't about Ty Cobb, beyond the mentions of his batting average. There is an interesting history about MLB statistics which could perhaps be placed in the baseball statistics article that can incorporate some of this (as I understand it, through most of its history MLB didn't keep its own record book; it's progressed to the point where it hired one of the preeminent sabermetricians, "Tom Tango" (aka tangotiger). as the stats guru for MLB Advanced Media). The other stuff about what Major League Baseball Enterprises does wouldn't be a fit for that article either, though. The court ruling is really about whether or not there is proprietary ownership over data, and not about the authoritativeness or officialness of baseball records, so it's a bit of a non sequitur in this context.
The concept of official records (which is just "what MLB says"—no more, no less) is getting more scrutiny once again, now that the Negro League stats will be incorporated in some manner. With this door opening to the numbers changing, perhaps the chance will be taken to incorporate the most recent research. isaacl ( talk) 06:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)