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Just came across Category:Australian rules football teams in London. Most of these have been sourced from club websites or blogs, if at all. Is there any reason these should have articles in their own right? I notice that there also club pages for teams elsewhere in England and Europe as a whole. Do these need to be merged in with the Australian rules football in foo series? Hack ( talk) 03:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Prompted by this edit, but I'm asking more generally. Should acting captains be added to the myriad lists and navboxes we have about captains? Jenks24 ( talk) 13:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Another squad navbox query... when I went through all the navboxes last year a few of of them had senior assistant coaches noted in them. It's a pretty critical part of today's football landscape and I was thinking that it would actually be pretty to handy to have them noted, especially since we've got them in the inline templates as well. What are the thoughts on this? Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 11:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm only bringing this up because The Pope added McVeigh back into the Essendon squad template. I'm of the thinking that we don't necessarily have to reflect list lodgement, and we're better served reflecting what the list actually looks like at any given time. For instance, last year Fevola was removed from the Brisbane template very early on in the piece, which I think makes better sense in terms of showing people what squad Brisbane had at their disposal at any given time of the year. I think we should only be people on there who are going to serve that club again, and if for some reason they come back out of retirement it's easy enough to add it back in. I think it is a bit of an issue because even today I still find these templates on pages for players long retired or delisted. Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 04:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
As a Port Adelaide fan and a fellow human being I'm obviously greatly saddened by the death of John McCarthy. As a Wikipedian I deal with it by wondering how to record his death in 2012 AFL season. It seems a little harsh listing him under the Retirements, sackings and delistings subsection and his death surely will be one of the things people remember about this season but there's not really anywhere to put the article. Thoughts? -- Roisterer ( talk) 11:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering if there is a preferred way of dealing with name changes in player biographies. For example, Don Holmes made his league debut for Swan Districts in 1978 in the Western Australian National Football League, played most of his career in the West Australian Football League, before retiring after the 1990 Western Australia State Football League season. Is there an elegant way of dealing with this without confusing the hell out of people? Hack ( talk) 01:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Seeing that the Gaeilic Football GF result is mentioned on the homepage in "In the News", I presume Saturday's result is newsworthy enough to make it? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:Australian rules footballers from Sydney and Category:Australian rules footballers from Brisbane, which are related to this project, have been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. The-Pope ( talk) 14:52, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
is in this list at #2. Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football/Popular pages. sigh. The-Pope ( talk) 08:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Coolaroo Football Club had been nominated for deletion. For a while I've been concerned about the notability of lots of our lower level clubs. Most articles are either micro stubs or overly detailed duplicates of the club's honour boards (and probably the only source that exists anywhere for some of them is the board hanging on the wall of the clubrooms). Now that footypedia is dead and even full points footy's and its replacement seem focused on only the AFL and the 2nd level leagues, the main online sources are local community newspapers and the clubs own website, often at sportingpulse. Some of the older teams in the bigger leagues may have some decent coverage, so I'm not calling for a blanket ban, but should we revert to the default position of redirect clubs to their leagues, unless there is significant coverage in independent sources? I know that some editors have put a lot of effort into these lower level teams, but I'm just not seeing enough refs out there to back it up. The-Pope ( talk) 13:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
OK so it seems with the AFL's revamped website that all links used on Wikipedia are now broken. Not sure if the articles still exist or not on the website as the search function is not working and I can't get articles to load via Google either. – Allied45 ( talk) 07:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
New article that seems to meet WP:GNG. I rescued it from a BLP PROD but it needs some more references and categories. Cheers! § FreeRangeFrog croak 21:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
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{{Brisplayer|link=jonathan-brown|alt=Jonathan Brown}}
. I've updated the project's template examples page
here to show the new usage. So now that it is useful again, you'd think it should be safe from deletion.
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Michael O'Brien (Australian rules footballer)
There's an ongoing passive edit war amongst various people at List of Australian Football League premiers about the entry for the 1999 premiership. Some people edit to use the name "Kangaroos" (as this was during that period of time where the team did not use the 'North Melbourne' name), and others are editing it to "North Melbourne" based on what is given in the AFL Season Guide. It's a small point, but let's get a consensus and move on.
I have a weak preference for 'Kangaroos', because my preference is to use the period-correct names wherever possible. I don't know if Wikipedia has an official policy that I can link to for that, but that's my preference. Aspirex ( talk) 22:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Apart from the AFL and the semi-pro state leagues, all the other leagues around the country have a hodge podge of custom infoboxes without any standardisation. I've tried to source a suitable template but haven't yet found one. Some of these leagues are very notable in themselves, so it would be good to be able to use an infobox that doesn't have to refer to stadiums and attendances ... suggestions ? -- Rulesfan ( talk) 03:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I've recently been going through the current player articles, updating the old links to the afl/club sites to the new format, and I've noticed that quite a few players have a detailed stats table in their articles, ie kicks marks etc, not just the games/goals in the infobox. Very few, if any, are up to date. Most stop in 2010.
I haven't removed any, but I am tempted to. Personally, I find it hard enough to keep the 22 Fremantle players games and goals tally in the infobox updated each week, to worry about detailed stats. Waiting until the end of the year is an option, but that's saying, if you want to see the recent stats, then go to the AFL tables site (or if you want, Footywire or whatever) and the {{ AflRleague}} template should be in every player's external links section. So why do we bother trying to manually do something that an automated database system does so much better?
I can see that in the high profile retired players, it might be of use, or interest, and of course it is static for retired players, so easy to keep it correct; and maybe in a couple of current articles if you can guarantee that they will be kept updated (ie the Joel Selwood FA is an obvious candidate, but I see even it isn't up to date). Do others think it the effort of keeping it up to date is worth it, or is there consensus to leave them, regardless of their completeness, or should we just remove them from most player articles? And don't get me started on the "double-banger" version I've just seen in Martin Mattner! The-Pope ( talk) 14:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
could they check on Morley Kidgell, South Melbourne player from 1904? Specifically I wanted to check whether they give another name for him, as a search of our friend Trove throws up some references to a Henry Morley Kidgell, born in 1881, which would fit in with a 1904 debut, a 1948 death and his rise to the head of the Carriers Association of Victoria (a predecessor to the Transport Union). Cheers. -- Roisterer ( talk) 18:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
From my looking at the AFL draft pages, we are missing listing the rookie promotions at the end of the 2007 season (beginning of 2008). My example is Jake King who was in the 2006/7 rookie draft, promoted to play that year, and fixed into the senior list at the end of 2007. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Howdy AFL folks! There's a discussion at DRV ( here) about an AfD about a player. Throughout the AfD and DRV there have been regular references to " WP:ATHLETE, point 3", meaning the section of that guideline that pertains to Australian rules football players. It was the only section of that guideline (from what I could see) that didn't have a shortcut. To help things along I created WP:NAFL as a redirect to that section. Thought it might be useful for discussions - "does/doesn't meet WP:NAFL" and whatnot - like we have for other criteria. Stalwart 111 00:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source for SANFL stats? Hack ( talk) 05:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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I notice that the Gold Coast and GWS official pages almost always use uppercase for their club nicknames eg Gold Coast SUNS and GWS GIANTS. Just wondering if anyone has seen this documented somewhere. Hack ( talk) 06:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC) subsets of the AFL's site, so that's
There is a Wikipedia style principle on the use of capitals which says that when a whole word or phrase (such as a newspaper headline) is capitalised in a source that it is "normalised" (or some term like this) to standard text capitalisation when used in articles. I will try to find it in the Manual of Style. Afterwriting ( talk) 11:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
At the moment, the lead for all of our Grand Final articles contain the statement "It was the 'x'th annual Grand Final of the Victorian Football League/Australian Football League, (footnote: In 1897 and 1924 there were no Grand Finals and instead the premier was decided by a finals play-off; in 1948 and 1977 there were Grand Final replays after initial draws.) staged to determine the premiers for the xxxx AFL season."
I have a few problems with this. The most obvious is that the reasoning in the footnote, relating to deducting 1897 and 1924, then adding the 1948 and 1977 replays to come up with the same ordinal number as the season is no longer valid because of the 2010 replay. The other is the fact that early non-challenge finals have been retconned into Grand Finals (which is a wider issue in itself, but one which is mostly managed acceptably).
I don't see a strong need for the ordinal in the lead, and I'd propose to simply replace it with "It was staged to determine the premiers for the xxxx AFL season"; and, for pre-1930 "Grand" Finals which were not challenge-finals, with "It was staged as part of the xxxx VFL finals series, and determined the premiers the season".
It is a moderate undertaking to apply this to 117 articles, so I figured it's worth getting agreement up front. Aspirex ( talk) 07:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
With the usual amount of notification and project involvement, we've just had a bunch of jumper designs be deleted from commons. I've given up on graphics here, the copyright gurus make it all too hard. But if anyone else wants to fight the fight, have a look at the "discussion". They mentioned moving them back to enwp, but just deleting them must have been much easier. The-Pope ( talk) 14:37, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
The 1976 and 1977 WANFL season articles claim that climate change, specifically a reduction in rainfall in Perth, led to a dramatic increase in scoring from 1976 onwards. I have heard this claim before but have never read it before. Does anyone know if the link between the two has been made before in reliable sources? Were there other factors involved - for example changes in ball specifications or manufactoring methods around this time? Hack ( talk) 09:03, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
For the multiple premiership templates, which you can see at User:Thefourdotelipsis/prem2, do you think it would be better just having individual years, or should we keep them as they are? Jevansen ( talk) 09:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello.
I created a wiki ... Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Windsor Mariners
I'm trying to get it submitted but for some reason an editor said that it has been made already. BUT if you do a search for Windsor Mariners it only redirects you to the AFL Canada wiki ... so that's why I created this Windsor Mariners wiki page. Plus they had 2 Team Canada members which is extremely special.
Well, I was wondering what I can do to get this wiki page up and running.
Thank you in advance for your time and help. FootyInfo1 ( talk) 01:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)FootyInfo1
There's a discussion at Talk:Greater Western Sydney Football Club#Requested move proposing that the article name be changed to "Greater Western Sydney Giants".
I commented in the thread before that to the effect that I thought that "the name needed to be consistent with other AFL clubs. Trouble is, they're not consistent themselves. The older, pre-AFL clubs have names such as Geelong Football Club and Hawthorn Football Club, but a couple of the newer clubs, West Coast Eagles and Sydney Swans, don't fit that pattern at all."
I now see the possibility of something sneaky happening here. The editor proposing the name change is one of those determined that Wikipedia should use the name football for all articles about soccer in Australia. Removing the words "football club" from the Western Sydney article fits his broader agenda. HiLo48 ( talk) 12:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
I am looking to add an infobox to a couple of WAFL Grand Final articles. I notice there is a Template:Infobox AFL grand final but this has a few AFL-specific fields so is not usable in its current form. Could someone with someone with some knowledge of the markup of this infobox modify the infobox so that it can be used on GF articles for state leagues? Hack ( talk) 08:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
WikiProject Australian rules football/Archive 6 | |
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Date | 19 September 2010 |
Ground | Subiaco Oval |
Attendance | 24,638 |
Result | Swan Districts, 14.16 (100) def Claremont, 14.15 (99) |
Accolades | |
Sandover Medal | Andrew Krakouer Swan Districts |
John Todd Medal | Brian Dawson |
Broadcast in Australia | |
Television | ABC1 |
Radio | 720 ABC Perth |
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Hack ( talk) 05:29, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
The laws page has been moved without discussion from Laws of Australian rules football to Laws of Australian football. The official law book appears with the title Laws of Australian Football with football capitalised. Given the official name of the code of laws has changed over the years and the scope of the article covers the entire history of the game, I would suggest Laws of Australian rules football is a more appropriate title. Hack ( talk) 08:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 26#Wikipedia:FOOTY. Giant Snowman 10:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to give the project a heads-up that I am planing to nominate the following images :
For deletion as copyvio's of teams kits unless someone wishes to make FUR's for them and they are removed from Tables's and Galleries as per WP:NFG. LGA talk edits 23:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Lake Oval, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Hack ( talk) 06:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
According to Sports broadcasting contracts in Australia#Australian Rules Football and South Australian Amateur Football League, the SAAFL will be on the Nine Network this year. Surely this is a sponsorship arrangement and not matchday coverage? Hack ( talk) 03:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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We don't currently have articles for these two drafts and as much as I'd like to create these articles, there is a paucity of "credible" sources to use here - I don't know of anything in hardcopy that lists details of the players drafted (I'm old enough to remember the first draft and it barely rated a mention in the newspapers of the time) and we're left with posts on website forums giving the draft list (not that I think these lists are wrong but that many people wouldn't neccesarily see them as a credible source). So, what are people's thoughts - can we use say these posts as sources or go without having articles for two national drafts? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:41, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Seeking discussion from the project on the treatment of the 2014 preseason within Wikipedia. Refer to discussion at Talk:2014 NAB Challenge. Aspirex ( talk) 06:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Thought I'd mention that Tom Wills, the founder of Australian rules football, is now a Good Article. Congratulations to User:HappyWaldo and fellow editors for creating a well-written and absorbing article. Occasionally I have fleeting moments of belief that I will actually get enough spare time to build up another GA myself but between work and my partner's belief that time spent on Wikipedia could be better spent sanding down bedroom walls, I can't see it happening anytime soon. -- Roisterer ( talk) 04:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
At d:User:Billinghurst/AFL properties I am starting to look to compile a list of properties that we would wish to capture for players and coaches articles. I would appreciate any feedback/additions, here or there, on what else may be needed. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone has gone through all the club articles and has changed the infoboxes from (Infobox aus sport club) to (Infobox sport club). In doing this, the italic formatting around the club songs has changed to Quotes. The new headings are not really applicable to Australian Football. Emblem has become Nickname - Example: Essendon's Emblem is the Bombers, their nickname is the 'Dons. Nickname is generally an informal name, whereas Emblem is an official branding. Song has become Anthem - I have never hears a Club Song referred to as an "Anthem" Coach has become Head Coach - Club Coach would be a more common term, generally Head Coach is not used in Australian Football. Example: Mount Compass Football Club Screech1616 ( talk) 09:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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(ie quotes). Was this done at the same time?
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I've been looking through a lot of the local footy league articles, and the ladders are taking up a lot of space. I think I can expand on those with some research, but I think it would be an idea to create a sub page for the league and only leave the most recent ladder on the main article. What does the project think of this idea? Real Footy V9 ( talk) 06:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Apologies for what is probably a minor question but while searching for something else, I found a [ "archie smith" collingwood&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=193 great article] on Richmond, circa 1933. Amongst the caricatures that we're no doubt sadly not able to use, there's a refernce to Ern Saunders, the Richmond head trainer who also helped Sir Donald Bradman, amongst others. On the top of the last column, the article states that Saunders spent two seasons (1897 & 1898) playing for Collingwood before moving to South Melbourne to play for three seasons. The article certainly makes it sound like he played senior football during that time but, as far as I can see, Ern Saunders never played senior football (although his son Richie Saunders did). Am I reading the article wrong? -- Roisterer ( talk) 07:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Yahoo to anyone who may be lurking. I briefly just tidied up the Essendon page to bring its structure more in line with other good international football club pages. Basically the structure is: History, club symbols, support, rivalries, organisation and finance, honours, current players and officials, match records and reserves. The page is still rubbish, but I feel its more appealing now.
The biggest change was by cutting the 'player awards' bit. Now this article is on the club, and the article becomes too lengthy when these are included. There's relevant sub-articles for these. Any objections? Aaroncrick TALK 22:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
We're apparently missing two articles, Reuben Cooper and Tony Vigona. Apparently, Vigona doesn't qualify as He never actually played professionally at the top level - his article was initialy AFD'd, but was user deleted under CSD:H. Cooper, I'm having a hell of a time finding any refs on the guy - he only played for us twice, and according to Footywire, he only lasted a week. If we're going to get articles on these two up, I'm going to need some serious help to establish notability which will get them in. Any takers to give me a hand? Thanks! CharlieTheCabbie ( talk) 21:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi all, it's been a while since I posted here, but I've recently been doing work on the 2013 AFL Draft page, mainly in terms of tidying up the tables and article in general. I was hoping I could get some input into whether you think the structure of the article works.
For example, I am not too convinced the "Changes by team" table is needed, however I have left it in for now. My goal is to perhaps get this list up to Featured List standard, so it would be great if anyone who has had experience in that process to give a few pointers. Ultimately, I would like this article to serve as a model for the related draft pages and improve our coverage of this topic.
Thanks, Allied45 ( talk) 06:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone have a reference showing that the J. J. Liston Trophy and Field Medal were awarded retrospectively to players who lost on countback? I'm pretty sure it happened, but I haven't been able to find a reliable source confirming it. Aspirex ( talk) 02:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I've noted on quite a few of our year based Brownlow Medal articles, that the external links to AFLTables and Footywire are used as sources for the medal listings and vote tally for each respective year. I've also noticed that our references sections are 99% empty. While I was speaking to someone in the help channel for the English Wikipedia on IRC, it was suggested that we can simply strip out the External Links headers, and use the two external links as reliable 3rd party references. Any thoughts on this? CharlieTheCabbie| Yack to the driver 23:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Can I have some more eyes at the above article please. Only two of us have played on the Talk page for this issue, so we need more input. An editor who is happy to have players simply play for different codes when they move from one form of rugby to another insists on describing them as being poached when they choose to play Australian football. I think even the editor involved agrees that "poached" is a non-neutral term, but argues that it is what actually happened (and apparently doesn't happen when they change rugby codes). I believe it would do no harm at all, and be a much better look for Wikipedia, if we used the neutral term "recruited", but he won't have a bar of it.
Note that this has already been taken to the NPOV Noticeboard. No real support for our AFL hating editor's position. But he persists. HiLo48 ( talk) 07:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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User:NickGibson3900 recently tagged 2014 AFL season for having too short a lead section, which has led to a couple of isolated unilateral edits of the lead. Makes sense to discuss this here, and whether we need a standard format, since it can have an influence on all season article leads. Aspirex ( talk) 06:45, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I've come across a player called Andy Demetriou who was selected once for South Melbourne but didn't make it off the bench. Other than the cooincidence of having the same name as a slightly more successful footballer, he doesn't seem to have got a lot of coverage in reliable sources. Given he didn't really appear in an actual match, what do people think about his notability? Hack ( talk) 05:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Charlie MacKay (b. 05/05/1880) per the Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers played for both Melbourne and University - Demonwiki says the same thing. The List of University Football Club players doesn't give him a mention though. I can see a player named Frank Macky that played in the same year, for the same amount of games and goals. the Encyclopedia however has him listed as a separate person. Does anyone have more info? Wouldn't be surprised if they ended up being the same person. Terlob ( talk) 06:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Starting yesterday afternoon, three (apparently) different editors have added Rodney Eade as coach of the club for next year. There are many rumours to this effect, but nothing concrete yet. I have reverted twice, and don't want to go near 3RR. Can others please help? HiLo48 ( talk) 21:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I just created Jordon Bourke. This was the last red link on List of AFL debuts in 2014. - Yellow Dingo ( talk) 09:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Need a input from a third opinion on an edit-war that is brewing on the SANFL page. Referenced information is repeatedly being removed by User:Thejoebloggsblog without reason other than accusation of vandalism or trolling. Repeated efforts to engage in discussion to understand what is objectionable has been ignored.
The text that is apparently objectionable is the following in the former clubs section:
Having a bit of a look further, it seems that this was also a problem on the former Port Adelaide SANFL article. Talk:Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) Screech1616 ( talk) 12:23, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Months after the rleague.com website closed down, and most of the manual links switched to afltables.com, the template that we use on thousands of player pages to get their stats has been moved to {{ AFL Tables}}. I'll hope that a bot will magically appear to change all the {{ AflRleague}}s to {{ AFL Tables}}, because I'm not going to do it, but from now on, can everyone start using {{ AFL Tables}} on player pages. Thanks, The-Pope ( talk) 11:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
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I want to redirect all of the articles set up for AFL reserves teams (e.g. Geelong Football Club (VFL)) into a "reserves team" subsection of the parent AFL club articles. Each subsection would contain in brief detail the club's current and historical reserves affiliations, a list of premierships, and little else. I don't think it makes sense to describe these teams in the same way that we would a VFA/VFL club, since these are effectively developmental teams for which premierships are a bonus rather than necessarily a goal. I believe articles have been written for these teams only because of their affiliation with the VFL, contravening the guideline that notability cannot be inherited by association with the VFL; and that if the clubs' reserves teams were still playing in a dedicated reserves competition instead of the VFL, they would never be granted stand-alone articles. But, I thought I'd raise the topic for discussion rather than leap straight into it. Aspirex ( talk) 02:00, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal to move City of Manchester Stadium to Etihad Stadium on the basis that since 2011 that's what it is commonly known as. Obviously Docklands Stadium current name as Etihad Stadium isn't significant in comparison. Dan arndt ( talk) 15:33, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
By my count, we've either just ticked over, or are about to reach, 8000 VFL/AFL player articles created. Fantastic work by all involved, from the relentless consistency of User:Jevansen to the "surge and disappear" complete team by team approach of User:Terlob, and all of the rest of us who pick off an article here and there. But, with 12315 players having played in the VFL/AFL, we still have half as many still to go. Despite what is written in WP:NAFL, over 600 of those players only played a single game. More than 1400 played less than 10 games and made their debut before 1940. I doubt if many of these players are truly notable. I'm not arguing to change NAFL, but I don't think the project is diminished if we declare that the default position for these old low game players is a redirect to the team player list article or mention on the dab page. At the other end of the notability scale, I've found 35 (after I completed Jim Miller (Australian footballer) today) 100 game players without articles, some as recently as the 1970s. IMO, these should be our focus.
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Obviously, once these are done there are at least 600 other >50 games or >1970s players, and a lot of the lower game players, even single game players, which might be notable for pre/post VFL careers or other reasons, and I'm not by any means suggesting that we delete any articles already made, but just trying to highlight where our most obvious gaps are. Cheers, The-Pope ( talk) 08:03, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Terlob, good to have you back and thanks Pope for compiling these lists. Terlob, if you're tackling the 100 game players and maybe the 50 gamers, I might keep working through the remaining 1980s players. Something that might assist, Australianfootball.com, has death dates for most deceased players. Jevansen ( talk) 21:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I have just created {{ AustralianFootball}} to standardise the links to player articles on the AustralianFootball.com website. For those that don't know, AustralianFootball.com absorbed most of the old FullPointsFooty website data a few years ago, now has most of the AFL Tables data linked too, but still has some non-AFL/VFL players too. It is also starting to record death dates, which until now, have not been as readily available as birth dates.
Template use is very similar to AFL Tables, you just copy the name and number from the URL as the "ref=", ie
prints as
Clinton Wolf at AustralianFootball.com
You only need to use the "alt=" parameter when you don't want the page name to be used. It's even smart enough now to automagically drop off the (footballer, born 1984) section too. The-Pope ( talk) 15:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Our first Australian conference for Wikipedians/Wikimedians will be held 3-5 October 2015. Organised by Wikimedia Australia, there will be a 2-day conference (Saturday 3 October and Sunday 4 October) with an optional 3rd day (Monday 5 October) for specialist topics (unconference discussions, training sessions, etc). The venue is the State Library of Queensland in Brisbane. So put those dates in your diary! Note: Monday is a public holiday is some states but not others. Read about it here: WikiConference Australia 2015
As part of that page, there are now sections for you to:
It would really help our planning if you could let us know about possible attendance and the kind of topics that would make you want to come. If you don’t want to express your views on-wiki, please email me at kerry.raymond@wikimedia.org.au or committee@wikimedia.org.au
We are hoping to have travel subsidies available to assist active Australasian Wikipedians to attend the conference, although we are not currently in a position to provide details, but be assured we are doing everything we can to make it possible for active Australian Wikipedians to come to the conference. Kerry ( talk) 00:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
This football-related AfD only has two participants at the moment. Can we get some other input so it doesn't end as a summary no consensus. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joseph_Wren_Memorial_Trophy Aspirex ( talk) 23:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
We have quite a lot of articles dedicated to trophies such as Beyondblue Cup (AFL), Blue Ribbon Cup, Richard Pratt Cup, Prime Minister's Cup (AFL), etc. – which quite frankly are all scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to importance. Grand scheme of things, in each case the trophy's existence is its only notable feature; a list of trophy winners and bests-on-ground is not. I propose to redirect all of these (except for local derbies and other rivalries on a case-by-case basis) into a single article which gives the basic detail on each trophy (which teams contest it, where it is contested if relevant, what it's named after, when it was first contested, and what the best-on-ground award is called) and nothing else. Any comments welcome. Any suggestions on what to call such an article (because I can't think of anything elegant) also welcome. Aspirex ( talk) 07:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
In article namespace subdirectories have been turned off so AC/DC is an article title. However the talk page talk:AC/DC consists of two pages, and the parent page is talk:AC a totally unrelated subject. As it happens it is unlikely that AC will move so the sub-pages under it are unlikely to be moved and even if they are the are "only" talk pages and it will not affect the article page.
Like article talk pages, pages under the namespace "template" have not had the the sub-page option turned off, so a template page like Template:1911/12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players is actually a sub-page of Template:1911 and while this is not usually a problem, it causes problems if the parent page is moved, as usually at least all the talk pages including sub-pages, and possibly all the sub-pages under it in template space will be moved to the new name.
For this reason I have moved Template:1911/12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players to Template:1911–12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players (along with its talk page). This does not in anyway alter what is displayed in article space although it is necessary to change the "name=" parameter to the new name (eg Template:1911–12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players) if the page is to remain editable directly from article space.
I suggest of future proofing that someone who supports this project goes through the list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football/Articles and makes similar changes to similar pages. -- PBS ( talk) 12:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't have much of a problem with changing the years - except that I'd prefer to see 2007, 09, 11 for non-continuous years rather than 2007-09-11. But is VFL-AFL ok? Should we do something like AFL (VFL) instead? And whilst we're moving things, should we get rid of the nicknames and use "Football Club", as per our MOS? The-Pope ( talk) 13:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Apologies in advance if this has a simple explanation; I had a flu shot earlier today and I'm still spaced. So, for no apparent reason, I was looking to update Tom Nolan (Australian rules footballer) and thus went to Trove, and found this.
Nolan made his VFL debut for Fitzroy in Round 10, 15 July 1899; as seen in the above link, the 20 July 1899 edition of Melbourne Punch refers to the debut of "Nolan" in the following way:
I'm guessing the F.E. Fontaine referred to is Fred Fontaine, who also played for Fitzroy. Fontaine isn't recorded as playing in Round 10, 1899, so theoretically could have played as Nolan in that match, but did front up in Round 11, against St Kilda, where our man Nolan is also listed as playing.
Punch was known as a satirical magazine so it's possible that their reference to Fontaine and Nolan being one and the same was not made seriously, or that F.E. Fontaine may be someone other than Fred Fontaine. Thoughts, anyone? -- Roisterer ( talk) 13:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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I am proposing the following three mergers. I am proposing them here rather than on the individual pages because they share a common justification:
It would appear to me an obvious merger, and I've been quite surprised that my bold merger attempts have met with any opposition. These mergers involve no loss of content. The full narrative about the history of the medal, whom it is named after, etc., can be easily transcribed to the game article without seeming out of place; and the winners of the medal can be listed in their own column in the table of game results (consistent with how it is done in Anzac Day clash), which not only retains all of the information but puts in it clearer context, since the winner is listed beside the match result. Put in Wikipedia guidelines terms, the medal articles are unnecessary content forks, in that the game articles are not sufficiently large or unwieldy to justify the article spin-out type of fork.
As it stands at the moment, Showdown Medal and Marcus Ashcroft Medal can simply be redirected with no other action, since the target pages already contain the full content of the medal pages. Merging Ross Glendinning Medal will require the new columns to be created in the table. Aspirex ( talk) 04:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Following this recent AfD decision relating the deletion of other single-match best-on-ground awards, I believe it lends further weight to being more selective with which awards are given individual pages; and therefore a logical extension that the Glendinning, Ashcroft and Showdown Medals are not notable enough for their own pages and should be merged into the parent match articles. Aspirex ( talk) 06:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
It's bugging me that all of a sudden the icons for clubs on Grand Final pages are aligning left.
I'm sure its a simple fix. Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 14:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I am currently in a dispute with
Flickerd over the notability of the SANFL prior to the introduction of the Adelaide Crows. All reference to Central District and the games played and goals scored in the SANFL has been removed from the infobox for
John Platten, likewise Port Adelaide games and goals have been removed from
Craig Bradley and the West Adelaide details for
Shaun Rehn citing:
SANFL stats/HL do not meet WP:NAFL point 3, stats/highlights are still notable enough to mention within article, however, VFL/AFL is the top-tier competition and he is known for being a VFL/AFL player, therefore, infobox should be reserved for that
Under this logic,
Russell Ebert's 391 games for Port Adelaide and
Graham Cornes's 364 games for Glenelg and South Adelaide should also be removed, just because they happen to have played a season in the VFL.
How do we go about changing
WP:NAFL? People with SANFL achievements prior to 1991 and WAFL achievements prior to 1987 should be treated in the same way as point 2 in regards to notability:
2.Before 1990, appeared in a match of the Victorian Football League.
Either they should be included, or point 2 removed altogether. This bizarre determination of notability means that Alan Tait is more notable in the Wikipedia world than Paul Bagshaw. Screech1616 ( talk) 14:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
WP:NAFL is specifically designed as criteria to determine whether or not a player gets an article; and, more generally, the Wikipedia:Notability guideline is designed to refer to entire articles (as it says in the "in a nutshell" box at the top of the policy, The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article.) Additionally, WP:NAFL is minimum criteria for inclusion; and not meeting NAFL doesn't automatically exclude. Therefore, I don't think Flickerd is quoting the NAFL guideline in the manner in which it is meant to be applied.
On the dispute itself, I don't think anyone should be arguing against players from pre-1985 having their SANFL/WAFL stats included, nor do I think anyone should be arguing against players post-1995 having their SANFL/WAFL stats excluded – we should be focussing our debate on the 1985–1995 grey area and not getting distracted by players like Ebert and Cornes.
Rehn is the very definition of a grey area player in this specific debate. He played his first season with Wests in 1990 (before the Crows joined) and was aged 19, but he only really had a two-year senior career with Wests before he was a regular senior AFL player. I'm a bit of a fence-sitter in the Rehn debate, but if forced to lean one direction, I think his games for Wests should be valid for inclusion in the infobox. My reasoning is that I don't believe SANFL football should suddenly lose its "senior status" in 1991 just because it lost its top twenty players on any given week to the AFL. And for players of Rehn's age: if I recall correctly, South Australian players still weren't being cleared to Victoria until they were 23 at that time (even if drafted at a younger age); therefore, young South Australian players around that time had very limited access to the AFL (probably five to ten spots in the otherwise experienced Adelaide Crows team); and Rehn's time at Wests was therefore still the highest level of senior football available to him, and it was still a good standard of football. That makes it "senior" in my mind.
Bradley is not a grey area player: his entire SANFL career was pre-1985 and should be seen as notable. I have no problem with those statistics being included alongside the AFL statistics and summed into a senior total.
Platten is a challenging one. I think his main stint at Centrals should be included in the same way as Bradley's time at Port Adelaide; but that final half-season at Centrals in 1998 is clearly of lower senior status. What we really need is the AFL history department to make a formal ruling on what is "senior" and what isn't – and then we could simply leave Platten's second stint out of the infobox but describe it in the text. Without that sort of ruling, I think we're kind of stuck leaving both stints in the infobox for completeness.
In my mind, the best solution is that we should include SANFL teams from the "grey area" in the infobox, but we should not sum SANFL and VFL numbers into a "senior total" for any grey area players. Follow the structure on Mark Williams (Australian footballer born 1958) and leave each league as separate for any grey area players; that way we're not making an implication one way or the other about the equivalency of the leagues at that time. Aspirex ( talk) 01:28, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
No significance: I only said 1985–1995 because it represents the fact that the SANFL and WAFL lost their "seniorness" (for lack of a better word) gradually – and that players like Rehn who may have started a couple of years before their state's AFL team was established are seen to have their entire SANFL/WAFL careers fall into the grey area. As for Flickerd's suggestion: like I alluded to before, I don't think we're going to be able to set clear criteria mandating exactly what is to be included and excluded unless the AFL invents an official definition of "senior football" that we can work from (their talk last year about backdating senior premierships to 1870 and creating separate "Victorian era" and "Australian era" definitions hopefully suggests that they are heading in that direction). But if we were to try to make up our own definition, I'd suggest the following starting point, with the caveat that anything else can be included by agreement. I think by necessity there has to be a lot of case-by-case judgements. For the "Big 3" leagues, I'd suggest:
For the Tasmanian leagues and post-1897 VFA, I think it becomes entirely case-by-case; and I think it should be based more on the absolute notability of their careers in the context of those leagues, rather than the notability compared with their VFL/AFL careers – e.g. Darrel Baldock, Barry Round, Peter Hudson and Laurie Nash all had, in my opinion, careers in Tasmania/VFA which should be included in an infobox, even though their VFL/AFL careers were overall much more notable; someone like Athol Hodgetts, even though his NWFU and VFA careers were more notable than his brief VFL career, wasn't important enough to those minor leagues for those teams to go in the infobox; someone like a Jim Christou, whose VFA resume was pretty impressive, could really go either way. I'd also feel comfortable including pre-1920s statistics from the Goldfields FL or the Barrier Ranges FA under the same criteria.
Also, I suppose on a related matter, how we set up the infoboxes should dictate how we define "original team". I think "original team" has to be the last team that the player played for which is not listed in the infobox – i.e. a team should not be detailed in the infobox and listed as original team for the same player. (In Screech's Laurence Schache example, Sturt is shown as both the earliest team in the infobox, and also as the "original team". In his case, "original team" would become Essendon Reserves, or maybe whichever team he played for in the Hopetoun area) Aspirex ( talk) 11:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
As others have raised here, there remains the fundamental issue of stating that someone who played one senior match for Geelong in the early 1940s (when, due to player shortage, the club was literally pulling blokes off the street and sticking a guernsey on them) is more notable than a chap who broke goalkicking records in a range of country leagues. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
So there I was, innocently attempting to add Brad Gotch's Port Adelaide statistics to his info box when I got this rather disconcerting message:
I wasn't sure whether I needed to go into hiding and take an assumed name (who knew Gotch was so opposed to having his Port stats added to his infobox). Can someone put me out of my misery and fix Gotch's infobox? Thanks. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
There are two Aaron Blacks. One plays (sometimes) for North Melbourne, the other won the Sandover Medal playing for West Perth. Now, our standard method to disambiguate players with the same name used to be middle initials, but now is (footballer, born XXX), ie
Up until yesterday, the North Melbourne Black was at Aaron Black (Australian footballer) and the West Perth Black didn't exist. Then the West Perth Black was created at Aaron Black (footballer, born 1992) by User:Athomeinkobe. User:Compassionate727 has since moved them to Aaron Black (AFL footballer) and Aaron Black (WAFL footballer). Now I can understand how this makes sense, but we specifically try to avoid using AFL footballer as a disambiguator, as players rarely only play AFL (you could argue that at the moment he's more of a VFL footballer). He also played 3 games for Peel in the WAFL in 2009. Likewise, the West Perth Black could be drafted to the AFL next year, or move to the SANFL/VFL etc. So, should we leave it at the article title that best suits today, and move it only if the facts change in the future, or should we revert back to our standard format of using birth year? The-Pope ( talk) 13:25, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps 30 years ago I read an article about the traditional game "Amarkum", played by Aboriginal people in southern South Australia, which was similar to Marn Grook, and which the nascent Australian rules teams in South Australia based much of their rules on. The author claimed that we get the word "mark" from Amarkum.
I don't think I imagined the article (and I don't think it was an April Fool's Day article) but I can't find anything online on Amarkum. Has anyone else heard of Amarkum? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Please see this discussion regarding small text in Template:Infobox AFL player, which may need to be altered to meet the WP:FONTSIZE guideline. Suggestions on how to display the information currently smaller than 11px would be appreciated. ~ Rob Talk 09:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
As is my wont, I type random former Australian rules footballer names into Trove and never ceased to be amazed by the result. This time, it was Bernie Fyffe and the first result was Fyffe&searchLimits= this, a letter written by 6 year old Bernie to Kango Children's Corner in the Melbourne Advocate. Does this count as a reliable source to add to Fyffe's article (although we can probably leave out the fact his teacher was a Miss Gregson). -- Roisterer ( talk) 23:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello football enthusiasts. This draft is about a touch football player who has played in the World Cup. I don't know anything about this kind of football. Is this a notable athlete?— Anne Delong ( talk) 04:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I recently added an ISBN of 9771839838003 to a ref for the annual AFL 2015 Season guide book. I don't have the book, I got the ISBN from the NLA and a bookstore. It's being reported as an invalid ISBN. Does anyone have a hard copy of the book to confirm if it is real or a typo? Thanks. The-Pope ( talk) 13:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
I wonder what project members think of articles like this where final training lists for 1949 were announced.
"Final Training Lists Announced". The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957). Melbourne, Vic.: National Library of Australia. 11 April 1949. p. 14. Retrieved 14 August 2015.
Do you think all these names can now be added to each club's entry no matter when they actually debuted, even if a couple of years later e.g 1951 or 1952, or indeed never ? The Richmond list for example could have N Bloom and J Grey added as the Trove article shows them on the supplementary list for 1949 but neither played a senior match for the club. RossRSmith ( talk) 01:42, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can see, we have a nearly even split of how to place a nickname in the middle of an article title. Should we use double quotation marks like:
or single quote marks like:
Or should we avoid it at all costs. I'm considering what to do with Jack McKenzie (footballer). I think that Jack "Dookie" McKenzie or Jack 'Dookie' McKenzie is best, as I've barely found a ref that doesn't call him Dookie. And he did have a son also Jack who also played a few games, hence more disambiguation is needed. And there was Alex McKenzie who was also called Dookie, who played for Carlton pre-VFL.( blueseum) I haven't been able to find an MOS section to advise either way. Or, do we simply remove the first name and the quotation marks altogether and go with Chicken Smallhorn and Nipper Truscott? I think Mark Jackson (Australian footballer) is probably better than Jacko Jackson, as he was never actually called that. Opinions? The-Pope ( talk) 04:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Quotation marks are advised against at WP:NICKNAME: "avoid (for example) adding a nickname, or a contracted version of the original first name(s) in quotes between first and last name" (emphasis mine). That said, it's hardly the most strictly enforced guideline going around – as this discussion proves, it's pretty easy to find article titles that don't follow it. Personally I'd do away with them because if they ever do get mentioned at a fairly rules-conscious process like WP:RM they're likely to be renamed anyway. Most of the ones listed could simply drop the given name and if there are any that wouldn't be well enough known as simply "[nickname] [surname]" then we probably shouldn't have had the nickname in the title to begin with. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Over the past few days, an IP/new editor is repeatedly reverting to his preferred version of the Sam Mitchell (footballer) and Chris Masten articles, incorporating, IMO, far too much detail, conjecture and reaction to the kneeing and biting incidents. As it is generally referenced, I've left a lot of it, but for reasons of UNDUE/BALANCE (nevermind the capitalisation/spelling issues), I don't think it all should be there. He/she is not using edit summaries, nor reply to talk pages, so can others please review and keep an eye on it. The-Pope ( talk) 02:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
The parts of the Penalty card article that mention Aussie rules could do with some work. Hack ( talk) 18:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
I've recently come across a lot of new nav boxes that have been created relating to Brisbane Lions awards, I'm not quite sure what the requirements of notability for nav boxes are, but for some of them I just cannot see how they are notable. I guess I'm basing it off of other nav boxes I've seen, and I don't know if it's a case of notability or if it's a case of no one making them yet. Here are the ones that I think lack notability
{{Nigel Lappin Trophy}}
{{Alastair Lynch Trophy}}
I don't want to discredit the effort that has been gone to in order to make these, but when you have an external link section that looks like Luke Power's or Simon Black's, I feel like it degrades the value of other awards. I'm not 100% sure of the requirements, so I thought I would bring it here for other opinions. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 16:03, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Could editors please keep an eye on List of Brownlow Medal winners. There is persistent disruptive editing regarding Jobe Watson's Brownlow eligibility. Jevansen ( talk) 01:38, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
It is apparent that for the past five AFL Grand Finals, no pictures of the game have been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons nor uploaded to Flickr with a suitable Creative Commons license for use on Wikipedia. I hope it isn't too much to ask: will any editor here who is lucky enough to be attending the Grand Final this year be able to take some photograph and upload some pics for us to use on articles such as 2015 AFL Grand Final? It would be greatly appreciated! Philip Terry Graham 05:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that the Template:Port Adelaide Football Club Coaches includes (in italics) caretaker coaches of Port Adelaide but Phil Walsh is not included. Walsh took over coaching responsibilities from Mark Williams for one match following the death of Fos Williams. If Alan Richardson is included as a coach on the basis for filling in for Ken Hinkley when the latter was battling the flu, then surely Walsh should be included as well. What do people think? -- Roisterer ( talk) 04:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I suppose there's been a bit of a slow-burn – not really an edit war, but certainly a difference in style choice – relating to the use of team icons in articles, the key proponents Thejoebloggsblog adding icons and and Flickerd removing them on an WP:ICONDECORATION basis. Seeing that Thejoebloggsblog has just put icons back into the List of Australian Football League premiers article and Flickerd has reverted it, I think it's time to get a project consensus.
I'm personally in favour of the use of club icons in the main table of List of Australian Football League premiers, and of any table like it where there is a long list of teams and the key information to be conveyed is the frequency and grouping of a club's entries (e.g. how many flags, and in which periods did a club dominate). By my read of the WP:ICONDECORATION clause, I would say that in a list such as this one, the icons do indeed "serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension", which is a valid reason for including them. It allows readers to identify periods of club dominance at a visual glance, which counts as improved comprehension to me.
I am opposed to using the icons in most other cases, such as:
I guess the other issue is copyright, as I've seen icons removed and re-uploaded on an ongoing basis for a while now. They don't seem to have that issue in the rugby league articles where they've developed their own icons with the team colours in diagonal square patterns rather than a likeness of the guernsey.
etc. (See
Template:League_icon) Perhaps we should adopt that same style.
Aspirex (
talk)
05:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Aspirex In regard to the copyright the icons have slowly become more and more generic. The only icons that are pushing the boundaries at the moment are that of Carlton, GWS and Brisbane. If these get taken down they can be simplified further. Generic shapes and colours have no protection under copyright. I think the icons add a significant amount to the articles.
The icons in question...
File:AFL Brisbane Icon.jpg
Thejoebloggsblog (
talk)
06:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I've noticed for quite some time that the AFL/VFL ladders are still mostly hardcoded. We have to input Games Played, Wins, Draws, Losses, Points For, Points Against, Percentage and Points. Out of these Played, Percentage and Points could be calculated based on the others (W+D+L, PF/PA*100, W*4+D*2). In soccer there has nearly always been templates which require the minimum input and the rest is calculated, with lately the Sports table module (specifically WDL) making it easier than ever. Is it not time Australian Football can use these kinds of tables? Either as a separate template, or another spin-off from the Module.
I have personally wanted to work on it for a while, but have not found the time due to my uni workload. And I'm not entirely sure if I have the technical skill for it. I'd love to hear ideas for implantation or even better if someone has time and ability to pick up the glove.
-- SuperJew ( talk) 13:35, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
@ Aspirex:@ Jenks24:@ The-Pope: Ok. So with a lot of help, the Module has been adapted and can be used for footy. Don't worry Aspirex, it's also very easy to adapt it to SANFL point system. I have a trial here in my sandbox. Please have a look and let me know if there's anything you don't understand and/or should be better explained in comments on the source page. If there are no reasons against, we can start implementing this on the upcoming seasons. -- SuperJew ( talk) 23:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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and they will have a bolded "(Q)" next to their name with the explanation "(Q): Qualified to the phase indicated" below the table. These statusletters can often be removed after all matches has been played as the position is then indication if the team qualified or not.
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01:16, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Okay. I've implemented it in the current season. Feel free to talk about any issues/worries/ideas/improvements. -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
I am just unsure as to whether the new template is good enough as the AFL can have points adjusted and changed, eg. Phil Walsh match cancelled. This also happened in the NRL and A-League with salary cap issues as mentioned above. I just don't really understand why you would want to change something that is already working? Thanks, TheLabRats ( talk) 11:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC) Also, every time a team changes position, you will need to chnage the team name up to 7 times. I dont understand how it is hard to just add 4 points onto a winning team and do the percentage on the calculator. I also think with the points for and points against system, it really only makes it easier for other lower-scoring sports such as Rugby and Soccer, where the total number of points is much less. Just my opinion, TheLabRats ( talk) 11:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, I just edited the new ladder and believe it took way too long to update this. The other version was much quicker to edit, without having to change the team name 9 times! Can anyone tell me why we are even using this new format for AFL?? TheLabRats ( talk) 05:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
See here. Apparently 146 matches (from 1909 to 1990, all at the G) have had their official attendance figures adjusted. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Just a quick question, should the season pages i.e. 2015 AFL season, 2015 Adelaide Football Club season, be classed as lists or rated articles (i.e. start class)? I would have thought they would be rated articles, but I noticed 1897–2012 have been classed as lists, and the more recent ones are rated articles (mostly start class). Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 00:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone have any suggestions for how these should ideally be, err, 'extracted' to get the best quality image? In the past I've just used screenshot and then uploaded that, but on reflection I thought someone with photoshop skills or the like might have a better suggestion. Asking mainly in relation to this which should be a good source of images for about 30 players, most of whom I assume won't already have a pic on Wikipedia. Thanks, Jenks24 ( talk) 13:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Following on from a discussion at Jevansen's talk page (see User talk:Jevansen#Alan Thomson), I'm wondering if anyone else can have more luck finding a source to officially confirm that Dave McGrath (footballer, born 1872) is the same person as Charles McGrath (notable for being a politician). They have the same dob/dod and Dave's full name is "David C. McGrath" to Charles' full name of "David Charles McGrath". The politician's son, Dave McGrath (footballer, born 1899), also played for Fitzroy. Taking all this into account, they are almost certainly one person, but I think to merge the articles without first finding a source to confirm it would be a WP:SYNTH violation. Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 14:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Following on a bit from the discussion here about navboxes a few months ago and more directly from a discussion at my talk page, User talk:Jenks24#Collingwood award templates. I think we should largely do away with any remaining succession boxes that are in use amongst this project. Either the award or position is notable enough for a navbox, in which case having a succession box us just duplicating content, or the award/position is not notable enough for a navbox, in which case the succession boxes should also be removed as non-notable. Thoughts? Jenks24 ( talk) 09:56, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Similar discussion going on for NFL at the moment: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Succession boxes?. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a current push to remove NavBoxes as per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 January 28#Brisbane Lions navboxes, now whilst some can be a bit trivial, they certainly do add value to a number of articles. At the moment all the All-Australian ones do not typically fit WP:NAVBOX criterion #4 because there is not a dedicated article on each AA team, but deleting these would be a poor outcome. Personally I have dedicated hours to creating NavBoxes for State of Origin teams (information that is poorly covered elsewhere) and would hate to see this work undone. Personally I think that Navboxes are a great way of linking articles together and add to the overall Wikipedia experience. Screech1616 ( talk) 12:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
Continuing with the vein of discussion regarding deletion/keeping of navboxes, I wanted to reopen the discussion about best first year/young player. As has been previously mentioned by Flickerd "all clubs have an award for it, the AFL industry places a large emphasis on younger players/draftees and the reputation that has been built for the Rising Star and AFLPA first year player means that young player awards do have value. Also there are often articles during the year about "who is your club's best young player" and articles about draftees, so there is a level of coverage." I agree with this statement and think it should be included in our "notable list" with captains, coaches, leading goalkickers and B&F winners. Comment your thoughts below. -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:29, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
is this article about guernseys really notable as an article rather than just a paragraph in the club's main article? -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, just asking a quick question. There's been a lot of talk about navboxes recently, and I was wondering if, in other's opinions, the 22under22 teams from 2012 to present are notable. I think they are, but I tend to be quite generous on the "notable" side. Thanks, Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 16:12, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Would anyone object to a navbox for the Essendon 34? (Or for the supplements saga in general?) Aspirex ( talk) 09:50, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
My proposal for the box:
Aspirex ( talk) 10:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Mark of the Year for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – SchroCat ( talk) 08:50, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just a quick note about this. I started this article yesterday, and it would seem that Blinman is
the same person described on the
australianfootball.com website. (I also really wish that website had a Wikipedia page, but that's another story.) Would be great if those of you with non-internet sources - namely those primitive wood-pulp and printer's-ink based references that I believe are called "books"
- could have a look at this.
Thanks! Pete AU aka --
Shirt58 (
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10:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
So, I was going through old players' pages, mostly disambiguating etc. when I noticed this. The Wikipedia article Fred MacQuire lists him as a North Melbourne player who played 2 games in 1956 (for no goals), who was born on 4 May 1938 and died on 19 December 2012. The only AFL Tables listing of Fred MacQuire also played for the Roos in 1956, but he played 10 games in that year, and continued to play until '59, playing 15 games for 2 goals. He is listed as being born on 12 November 1936. The article links to that page, and there aren't any other Fred MacQuires (or McQuires, Macquires or Mcquires) on the site. Also, the AFL Tables' Fred is 183cm / 84kg, and the Wikipedia Fred is 178cm /74kg. What is going on here? Can't work it out. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 00:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
This is for the general information of all Aussie Rules editors.
Does anyone know whether or not the Australian_Football_Media_Association_Player_of_the_Year is still a thing? I can't really find much on it over the past few years, but maybe it's changed names or something. The article goes up to 2010, so it's either missing five entries or it's missing a sentence explaining that the award is defunct. Aspirex ( talk) 09:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Could anyone help complete the GA process here please? The nominator is absent and it needs some changes to pass GA. Thanks.-- Echetus Xe 17:19, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello all,
I recently finished the creation of List of VFL/AFL players to have scored 500 goals, which as you can imagine took me some time. Frustratingly however, only a few hours after creation, I found List of Australian Football League all-time leading goalkickers. While I will begrudgingly admit that the second article is better and the first is now worth zip, I think that "List of VFL/AFL players to have scored 500 goals" is a better title, especially to conform with List of VFL/AFL players to have played 300 games. So, I've come here to see whether others agree or disagree with deleting the "500 goals" article and then moving the "all-time leading goalkickers" article to the "500 goals" title, or whether others have other ideas. Thanks, Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 00:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Only one response here so I'm going to go ahead and do it. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 23:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I think that List of Brownlow Medal winners should not have any asterisks or notes about Watson's suspension, until the AFL Commission makes a decision. Mr IP disagrees but won't discuss it. What do others think? The-Pope ( talk) 14:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I've been against including the asterisk in the past but the fact that the AFL guide now includes I think makes it hard to argue against it. That source, or the article Aspirex linked to, should be included in the footnote. Once the AFL Commission makes a decision, the footnote should be removed if he is allowed to keep the medal, if not then depending on the verdict his name will either be crossed out or removed and replaced by the runners-up. Jevansen ( talk) 00:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Due to large-scale accessibility problems, Template:Infobox AFL biography needs to be updated. Please see the discussion here for more information and to participate in the discussion. ~ Rob Talk 23:15, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Thought any AFL editors might be interested in this. There is an AfD discsussion here on List of Leicester City F.C. individual awards which affects a few AFL articles. Many clubs have similar articles ( Brisbane Lions, Essendon, Fitzroy, Geelong, Gold Coast, North Melbourne, West Coast), with a few of those (Brisbane Lions, Geelong, North Melbourne) nominated for deletion citing the Leicester AfD. Any opinions on whether those already nominated should be deleted, or whether we should nominate the others too? I'm in favour of keeping all. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 23:14, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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Just came across Category:Australian rules football teams in London. Most of these have been sourced from club websites or blogs, if at all. Is there any reason these should have articles in their own right? I notice that there also club pages for teams elsewhere in England and Europe as a whole. Do these need to be merged in with the Australian rules football in foo series? Hack ( talk) 03:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Prompted by this edit, but I'm asking more generally. Should acting captains be added to the myriad lists and navboxes we have about captains? Jenks24 ( talk) 13:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Another squad navbox query... when I went through all the navboxes last year a few of of them had senior assistant coaches noted in them. It's a pretty critical part of today's football landscape and I was thinking that it would actually be pretty to handy to have them noted, especially since we've got them in the inline templates as well. What are the thoughts on this? Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 11:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm only bringing this up because The Pope added McVeigh back into the Essendon squad template. I'm of the thinking that we don't necessarily have to reflect list lodgement, and we're better served reflecting what the list actually looks like at any given time. For instance, last year Fevola was removed from the Brisbane template very early on in the piece, which I think makes better sense in terms of showing people what squad Brisbane had at their disposal at any given time of the year. I think we should only be people on there who are going to serve that club again, and if for some reason they come back out of retirement it's easy enough to add it back in. I think it is a bit of an issue because even today I still find these templates on pages for players long retired or delisted. Thefourdotelipsis ( talk) 04:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
As a Port Adelaide fan and a fellow human being I'm obviously greatly saddened by the death of John McCarthy. As a Wikipedian I deal with it by wondering how to record his death in 2012 AFL season. It seems a little harsh listing him under the Retirements, sackings and delistings subsection and his death surely will be one of the things people remember about this season but there's not really anywhere to put the article. Thoughts? -- Roisterer ( talk) 11:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering if there is a preferred way of dealing with name changes in player biographies. For example, Don Holmes made his league debut for Swan Districts in 1978 in the Western Australian National Football League, played most of his career in the West Australian Football League, before retiring after the 1990 Western Australia State Football League season. Is there an elegant way of dealing with this without confusing the hell out of people? Hack ( talk) 01:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Seeing that the Gaeilic Football GF result is mentioned on the homepage in "In the News", I presume Saturday's result is newsworthy enough to make it? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:Australian rules footballers from Sydney and Category:Australian rules footballers from Brisbane, which are related to this project, have been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. The-Pope ( talk) 14:52, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
is in this list at #2. Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football/Popular pages. sigh. The-Pope ( talk) 08:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Coolaroo Football Club had been nominated for deletion. For a while I've been concerned about the notability of lots of our lower level clubs. Most articles are either micro stubs or overly detailed duplicates of the club's honour boards (and probably the only source that exists anywhere for some of them is the board hanging on the wall of the clubrooms). Now that footypedia is dead and even full points footy's and its replacement seem focused on only the AFL and the 2nd level leagues, the main online sources are local community newspapers and the clubs own website, often at sportingpulse. Some of the older teams in the bigger leagues may have some decent coverage, so I'm not calling for a blanket ban, but should we revert to the default position of redirect clubs to their leagues, unless there is significant coverage in independent sources? I know that some editors have put a lot of effort into these lower level teams, but I'm just not seeing enough refs out there to back it up. The-Pope ( talk) 13:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
OK so it seems with the AFL's revamped website that all links used on Wikipedia are now broken. Not sure if the articles still exist or not on the website as the search function is not working and I can't get articles to load via Google either. – Allied45 ( talk) 07:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
New article that seems to meet WP:GNG. I rescued it from a BLP PROD but it needs some more references and categories. Cheers! § FreeRangeFrog croak 21:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian ( talk) 02:46, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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{{Brisplayer|link=jonathan-brown|alt=Jonathan Brown}}
. I've updated the project's template examples page
here to show the new usage. So now that it is useful again, you'd think it should be safe from deletion.
The-Pope (
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08:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Michael O'Brien (Australian rules footballer)
There's an ongoing passive edit war amongst various people at List of Australian Football League premiers about the entry for the 1999 premiership. Some people edit to use the name "Kangaroos" (as this was during that period of time where the team did not use the 'North Melbourne' name), and others are editing it to "North Melbourne" based on what is given in the AFL Season Guide. It's a small point, but let's get a consensus and move on.
I have a weak preference for 'Kangaroos', because my preference is to use the period-correct names wherever possible. I don't know if Wikipedia has an official policy that I can link to for that, but that's my preference. Aspirex ( talk) 22:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Apart from the AFL and the semi-pro state leagues, all the other leagues around the country have a hodge podge of custom infoboxes without any standardisation. I've tried to source a suitable template but haven't yet found one. Some of these leagues are very notable in themselves, so it would be good to be able to use an infobox that doesn't have to refer to stadiums and attendances ... suggestions ? -- Rulesfan ( talk) 03:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I've recently been going through the current player articles, updating the old links to the afl/club sites to the new format, and I've noticed that quite a few players have a detailed stats table in their articles, ie kicks marks etc, not just the games/goals in the infobox. Very few, if any, are up to date. Most stop in 2010.
I haven't removed any, but I am tempted to. Personally, I find it hard enough to keep the 22 Fremantle players games and goals tally in the infobox updated each week, to worry about detailed stats. Waiting until the end of the year is an option, but that's saying, if you want to see the recent stats, then go to the AFL tables site (or if you want, Footywire or whatever) and the {{ AflRleague}} template should be in every player's external links section. So why do we bother trying to manually do something that an automated database system does so much better?
I can see that in the high profile retired players, it might be of use, or interest, and of course it is static for retired players, so easy to keep it correct; and maybe in a couple of current articles if you can guarantee that they will be kept updated (ie the Joel Selwood FA is an obvious candidate, but I see even it isn't up to date). Do others think it the effort of keeping it up to date is worth it, or is there consensus to leave them, regardless of their completeness, or should we just remove them from most player articles? And don't get me started on the "double-banger" version I've just seen in Martin Mattner! The-Pope ( talk) 14:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
could they check on Morley Kidgell, South Melbourne player from 1904? Specifically I wanted to check whether they give another name for him, as a search of our friend Trove throws up some references to a Henry Morley Kidgell, born in 1881, which would fit in with a 1904 debut, a 1948 death and his rise to the head of the Carriers Association of Victoria (a predecessor to the Transport Union). Cheers. -- Roisterer ( talk) 18:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
From my looking at the AFL draft pages, we are missing listing the rookie promotions at the end of the 2007 season (beginning of 2008). My example is Jake King who was in the 2006/7 rookie draft, promoted to play that year, and fixed into the senior list at the end of 2007. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Howdy AFL folks! There's a discussion at DRV ( here) about an AfD about a player. Throughout the AfD and DRV there have been regular references to " WP:ATHLETE, point 3", meaning the section of that guideline that pertains to Australian rules football players. It was the only section of that guideline (from what I could see) that didn't have a shortcut. To help things along I created WP:NAFL as a redirect to that section. Thought it might be useful for discussions - "does/doesn't meet WP:NAFL" and whatnot - like we have for other criteria. Stalwart 111 00:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source for SANFL stats? Hack ( talk) 05:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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I notice that the Gold Coast and GWS official pages almost always use uppercase for their club nicknames eg Gold Coast SUNS and GWS GIANTS. Just wondering if anyone has seen this documented somewhere. Hack ( talk) 06:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC) subsets of the AFL's site, so that's
There is a Wikipedia style principle on the use of capitals which says that when a whole word or phrase (such as a newspaper headline) is capitalised in a source that it is "normalised" (or some term like this) to standard text capitalisation when used in articles. I will try to find it in the Manual of Style. Afterwriting ( talk) 11:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
At the moment, the lead for all of our Grand Final articles contain the statement "It was the 'x'th annual Grand Final of the Victorian Football League/Australian Football League, (footnote: In 1897 and 1924 there were no Grand Finals and instead the premier was decided by a finals play-off; in 1948 and 1977 there were Grand Final replays after initial draws.) staged to determine the premiers for the xxxx AFL season."
I have a few problems with this. The most obvious is that the reasoning in the footnote, relating to deducting 1897 and 1924, then adding the 1948 and 1977 replays to come up with the same ordinal number as the season is no longer valid because of the 2010 replay. The other is the fact that early non-challenge finals have been retconned into Grand Finals (which is a wider issue in itself, but one which is mostly managed acceptably).
I don't see a strong need for the ordinal in the lead, and I'd propose to simply replace it with "It was staged to determine the premiers for the xxxx AFL season"; and, for pre-1930 "Grand" Finals which were not challenge-finals, with "It was staged as part of the xxxx VFL finals series, and determined the premiers the season".
It is a moderate undertaking to apply this to 117 articles, so I figured it's worth getting agreement up front. Aspirex ( talk) 07:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
With the usual amount of notification and project involvement, we've just had a bunch of jumper designs be deleted from commons. I've given up on graphics here, the copyright gurus make it all too hard. But if anyone else wants to fight the fight, have a look at the "discussion". They mentioned moving them back to enwp, but just deleting them must have been much easier. The-Pope ( talk) 14:37, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
The 1976 and 1977 WANFL season articles claim that climate change, specifically a reduction in rainfall in Perth, led to a dramatic increase in scoring from 1976 onwards. I have heard this claim before but have never read it before. Does anyone know if the link between the two has been made before in reliable sources? Were there other factors involved - for example changes in ball specifications or manufactoring methods around this time? Hack ( talk) 09:03, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
For the multiple premiership templates, which you can see at User:Thefourdotelipsis/prem2, do you think it would be better just having individual years, or should we keep them as they are? Jevansen ( talk) 09:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello.
I created a wiki ... Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Windsor Mariners
I'm trying to get it submitted but for some reason an editor said that it has been made already. BUT if you do a search for Windsor Mariners it only redirects you to the AFL Canada wiki ... so that's why I created this Windsor Mariners wiki page. Plus they had 2 Team Canada members which is extremely special.
Well, I was wondering what I can do to get this wiki page up and running.
Thank you in advance for your time and help. FootyInfo1 ( talk) 01:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)FootyInfo1
There's a discussion at Talk:Greater Western Sydney Football Club#Requested move proposing that the article name be changed to "Greater Western Sydney Giants".
I commented in the thread before that to the effect that I thought that "the name needed to be consistent with other AFL clubs. Trouble is, they're not consistent themselves. The older, pre-AFL clubs have names such as Geelong Football Club and Hawthorn Football Club, but a couple of the newer clubs, West Coast Eagles and Sydney Swans, don't fit that pattern at all."
I now see the possibility of something sneaky happening here. The editor proposing the name change is one of those determined that Wikipedia should use the name football for all articles about soccer in Australia. Removing the words "football club" from the Western Sydney article fits his broader agenda. HiLo48 ( talk) 12:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
I am looking to add an infobox to a couple of WAFL Grand Final articles. I notice there is a Template:Infobox AFL grand final but this has a few AFL-specific fields so is not usable in its current form. Could someone with someone with some knowledge of the markup of this infobox modify the infobox so that it can be used on GF articles for state leagues? Hack ( talk) 08:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
WikiProject Australian rules football/Archive 6 | |
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Date | 19 September 2010 |
Ground | Subiaco Oval |
Attendance | 24,638 |
Result | Swan Districts, 14.16 (100) def Claremont, 14.15 (99) |
Accolades | |
Sandover Medal | Andrew Krakouer Swan Districts |
John Todd Medal | Brian Dawson |
Broadcast in Australia | |
Television | ABC1 |
Radio | 720 ABC Perth |
- Title - <article title>
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Hack ( talk) 05:29, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
The laws page has been moved without discussion from Laws of Australian rules football to Laws of Australian football. The official law book appears with the title Laws of Australian Football with football capitalised. Given the official name of the code of laws has changed over the years and the scope of the article covers the entire history of the game, I would suggest Laws of Australian rules football is a more appropriate title. Hack ( talk) 08:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 26#Wikipedia:FOOTY. Giant Snowman 10:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to give the project a heads-up that I am planing to nominate the following images :
For deletion as copyvio's of teams kits unless someone wishes to make FUR's for them and they are removed from Tables's and Galleries as per WP:NFG. LGA talk edits 23:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Lake Oval, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Hack ( talk) 06:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
According to Sports broadcasting contracts in Australia#Australian Rules Football and South Australian Amateur Football League, the SAAFL will be on the Nine Network this year. Surely this is a sponsorship arrangement and not matchday coverage? Hack ( talk) 03:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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We don't currently have articles for these two drafts and as much as I'd like to create these articles, there is a paucity of "credible" sources to use here - I don't know of anything in hardcopy that lists details of the players drafted (I'm old enough to remember the first draft and it barely rated a mention in the newspapers of the time) and we're left with posts on website forums giving the draft list (not that I think these lists are wrong but that many people wouldn't neccesarily see them as a credible source). So, what are people's thoughts - can we use say these posts as sources or go without having articles for two national drafts? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:41, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Seeking discussion from the project on the treatment of the 2014 preseason within Wikipedia. Refer to discussion at Talk:2014 NAB Challenge. Aspirex ( talk) 06:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Thought I'd mention that Tom Wills, the founder of Australian rules football, is now a Good Article. Congratulations to User:HappyWaldo and fellow editors for creating a well-written and absorbing article. Occasionally I have fleeting moments of belief that I will actually get enough spare time to build up another GA myself but between work and my partner's belief that time spent on Wikipedia could be better spent sanding down bedroom walls, I can't see it happening anytime soon. -- Roisterer ( talk) 04:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
At d:User:Billinghurst/AFL properties I am starting to look to compile a list of properties that we would wish to capture for players and coaches articles. I would appreciate any feedback/additions, here or there, on what else may be needed. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone has gone through all the club articles and has changed the infoboxes from (Infobox aus sport club) to (Infobox sport club). In doing this, the italic formatting around the club songs has changed to Quotes. The new headings are not really applicable to Australian Football. Emblem has become Nickname - Example: Essendon's Emblem is the Bombers, their nickname is the 'Dons. Nickname is generally an informal name, whereas Emblem is an official branding. Song has become Anthem - I have never hears a Club Song referred to as an "Anthem" Coach has become Head Coach - Club Coach would be a more common term, generally Head Coach is not used in Australian Football. Example: Mount Compass Football Club Screech1616 ( talk) 09:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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(ie to format italic) being changed to "
(ie quotes). Was this done at the same time?
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I've been looking through a lot of the local footy league articles, and the ladders are taking up a lot of space. I think I can expand on those with some research, but I think it would be an idea to create a sub page for the league and only leave the most recent ladder on the main article. What does the project think of this idea? Real Footy V9 ( talk) 06:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Apologies for what is probably a minor question but while searching for something else, I found a [ "archie smith" collingwood&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=193 great article] on Richmond, circa 1933. Amongst the caricatures that we're no doubt sadly not able to use, there's a refernce to Ern Saunders, the Richmond head trainer who also helped Sir Donald Bradman, amongst others. On the top of the last column, the article states that Saunders spent two seasons (1897 & 1898) playing for Collingwood before moving to South Melbourne to play for three seasons. The article certainly makes it sound like he played senior football during that time but, as far as I can see, Ern Saunders never played senior football (although his son Richie Saunders did). Am I reading the article wrong? -- Roisterer ( talk) 07:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Yahoo to anyone who may be lurking. I briefly just tidied up the Essendon page to bring its structure more in line with other good international football club pages. Basically the structure is: History, club symbols, support, rivalries, organisation and finance, honours, current players and officials, match records and reserves. The page is still rubbish, but I feel its more appealing now.
The biggest change was by cutting the 'player awards' bit. Now this article is on the club, and the article becomes too lengthy when these are included. There's relevant sub-articles for these. Any objections? Aaroncrick TALK 22:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
We're apparently missing two articles, Reuben Cooper and Tony Vigona. Apparently, Vigona doesn't qualify as He never actually played professionally at the top level - his article was initialy AFD'd, but was user deleted under CSD:H. Cooper, I'm having a hell of a time finding any refs on the guy - he only played for us twice, and according to Footywire, he only lasted a week. If we're going to get articles on these two up, I'm going to need some serious help to establish notability which will get them in. Any takers to give me a hand? Thanks! CharlieTheCabbie ( talk) 21:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi all, it's been a while since I posted here, but I've recently been doing work on the 2013 AFL Draft page, mainly in terms of tidying up the tables and article in general. I was hoping I could get some input into whether you think the structure of the article works.
For example, I am not too convinced the "Changes by team" table is needed, however I have left it in for now. My goal is to perhaps get this list up to Featured List standard, so it would be great if anyone who has had experience in that process to give a few pointers. Ultimately, I would like this article to serve as a model for the related draft pages and improve our coverage of this topic.
Thanks, Allied45 ( talk) 06:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone have a reference showing that the J. J. Liston Trophy and Field Medal were awarded retrospectively to players who lost on countback? I'm pretty sure it happened, but I haven't been able to find a reliable source confirming it. Aspirex ( talk) 02:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I've noted on quite a few of our year based Brownlow Medal articles, that the external links to AFLTables and Footywire are used as sources for the medal listings and vote tally for each respective year. I've also noticed that our references sections are 99% empty. While I was speaking to someone in the help channel for the English Wikipedia on IRC, it was suggested that we can simply strip out the External Links headers, and use the two external links as reliable 3rd party references. Any thoughts on this? CharlieTheCabbie| Yack to the driver 23:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Can I have some more eyes at the above article please. Only two of us have played on the Talk page for this issue, so we need more input. An editor who is happy to have players simply play for different codes when they move from one form of rugby to another insists on describing them as being poached when they choose to play Australian football. I think even the editor involved agrees that "poached" is a non-neutral term, but argues that it is what actually happened (and apparently doesn't happen when they change rugby codes). I believe it would do no harm at all, and be a much better look for Wikipedia, if we used the neutral term "recruited", but he won't have a bar of it.
Note that this has already been taken to the NPOV Noticeboard. No real support for our AFL hating editor's position. But he persists. HiLo48 ( talk) 07:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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User:NickGibson3900 recently tagged 2014 AFL season for having too short a lead section, which has led to a couple of isolated unilateral edits of the lead. Makes sense to discuss this here, and whether we need a standard format, since it can have an influence on all season article leads. Aspirex ( talk) 06:45, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I've come across a player called Andy Demetriou who was selected once for South Melbourne but didn't make it off the bench. Other than the cooincidence of having the same name as a slightly more successful footballer, he doesn't seem to have got a lot of coverage in reliable sources. Given he didn't really appear in an actual match, what do people think about his notability? Hack ( talk) 05:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Charlie MacKay (b. 05/05/1880) per the Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers played for both Melbourne and University - Demonwiki says the same thing. The List of University Football Club players doesn't give him a mention though. I can see a player named Frank Macky that played in the same year, for the same amount of games and goals. the Encyclopedia however has him listed as a separate person. Does anyone have more info? Wouldn't be surprised if they ended up being the same person. Terlob ( talk) 06:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Starting yesterday afternoon, three (apparently) different editors have added Rodney Eade as coach of the club for next year. There are many rumours to this effect, but nothing concrete yet. I have reverted twice, and don't want to go near 3RR. Can others please help? HiLo48 ( talk) 21:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I just created Jordon Bourke. This was the last red link on List of AFL debuts in 2014. - Yellow Dingo ( talk) 09:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Need a input from a third opinion on an edit-war that is brewing on the SANFL page. Referenced information is repeatedly being removed by User:Thejoebloggsblog without reason other than accusation of vandalism or trolling. Repeated efforts to engage in discussion to understand what is objectionable has been ignored.
The text that is apparently objectionable is the following in the former clubs section:
Having a bit of a look further, it seems that this was also a problem on the former Port Adelaide SANFL article. Talk:Port Adelaide Football Club (SANFL) Screech1616 ( talk) 12:23, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Months after the rleague.com website closed down, and most of the manual links switched to afltables.com, the template that we use on thousands of player pages to get their stats has been moved to {{ AFL Tables}}. I'll hope that a bot will magically appear to change all the {{ AflRleague}}s to {{ AFL Tables}}, because I'm not going to do it, but from now on, can everyone start using {{ AFL Tables}} on player pages. Thanks, The-Pope ( talk) 11:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
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I want to redirect all of the articles set up for AFL reserves teams (e.g. Geelong Football Club (VFL)) into a "reserves team" subsection of the parent AFL club articles. Each subsection would contain in brief detail the club's current and historical reserves affiliations, a list of premierships, and little else. I don't think it makes sense to describe these teams in the same way that we would a VFA/VFL club, since these are effectively developmental teams for which premierships are a bonus rather than necessarily a goal. I believe articles have been written for these teams only because of their affiliation with the VFL, contravening the guideline that notability cannot be inherited by association with the VFL; and that if the clubs' reserves teams were still playing in a dedicated reserves competition instead of the VFL, they would never be granted stand-alone articles. But, I thought I'd raise the topic for discussion rather than leap straight into it. Aspirex ( talk) 02:00, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal to move City of Manchester Stadium to Etihad Stadium on the basis that since 2011 that's what it is commonly known as. Obviously Docklands Stadium current name as Etihad Stadium isn't significant in comparison. Dan arndt ( talk) 15:33, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
By my count, we've either just ticked over, or are about to reach, 8000 VFL/AFL player articles created. Fantastic work by all involved, from the relentless consistency of User:Jevansen to the "surge and disappear" complete team by team approach of User:Terlob, and all of the rest of us who pick off an article here and there. But, with 12315 players having played in the VFL/AFL, we still have half as many still to go. Despite what is written in WP:NAFL, over 600 of those players only played a single game. More than 1400 played less than 10 games and made their debut before 1940. I doubt if many of these players are truly notable. I'm not arguing to change NAFL, but I don't think the project is diminished if we declare that the default position for these old low game players is a redirect to the team player list article or mention on the dab page. At the other end of the notability scale, I've found 35 (after I completed Jim Miller (Australian footballer) today) 100 game players without articles, some as recently as the 1970s. IMO, these should be our focus.
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Obviously, once these are done there are at least 600 other >50 games or >1970s players, and a lot of the lower game players, even single game players, which might be notable for pre/post VFL careers or other reasons, and I'm not by any means suggesting that we delete any articles already made, but just trying to highlight where our most obvious gaps are. Cheers, The-Pope ( talk) 08:03, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Terlob, good to have you back and thanks Pope for compiling these lists. Terlob, if you're tackling the 100 game players and maybe the 50 gamers, I might keep working through the remaining 1980s players. Something that might assist, Australianfootball.com, has death dates for most deceased players. Jevansen ( talk) 21:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I have just created {{ AustralianFootball}} to standardise the links to player articles on the AustralianFootball.com website. For those that don't know, AustralianFootball.com absorbed most of the old FullPointsFooty website data a few years ago, now has most of the AFL Tables data linked too, but still has some non-AFL/VFL players too. It is also starting to record death dates, which until now, have not been as readily available as birth dates.
Template use is very similar to AFL Tables, you just copy the name and number from the URL as the "ref=", ie
prints as
Clinton Wolf at AustralianFootball.com
You only need to use the "alt=" parameter when you don't want the page name to be used. It's even smart enough now to automagically drop off the (footballer, born 1984) section too. The-Pope ( talk) 15:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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This football-related AfD only has two participants at the moment. Can we get some other input so it doesn't end as a summary no consensus. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joseph_Wren_Memorial_Trophy Aspirex ( talk) 23:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
We have quite a lot of articles dedicated to trophies such as Beyondblue Cup (AFL), Blue Ribbon Cup, Richard Pratt Cup, Prime Minister's Cup (AFL), etc. – which quite frankly are all scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to importance. Grand scheme of things, in each case the trophy's existence is its only notable feature; a list of trophy winners and bests-on-ground is not. I propose to redirect all of these (except for local derbies and other rivalries on a case-by-case basis) into a single article which gives the basic detail on each trophy (which teams contest it, where it is contested if relevant, what it's named after, when it was first contested, and what the best-on-ground award is called) and nothing else. Any comments welcome. Any suggestions on what to call such an article (because I can't think of anything elegant) also welcome. Aspirex ( talk) 07:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
In article namespace subdirectories have been turned off so AC/DC is an article title. However the talk page talk:AC/DC consists of two pages, and the parent page is talk:AC a totally unrelated subject. As it happens it is unlikely that AC will move so the sub-pages under it are unlikely to be moved and even if they are the are "only" talk pages and it will not affect the article page.
Like article talk pages, pages under the namespace "template" have not had the the sub-page option turned off, so a template page like Template:1911/12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players is actually a sub-page of Template:1911 and while this is not usually a problem, it causes problems if the parent page is moved, as usually at least all the talk pages including sub-pages, and possibly all the sub-pages under it in template space will be moved to the new name.
For this reason I have moved Template:1911/12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players to Template:1911–12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players (along with its talk page). This does not in anyway alter what is displayed in article space although it is necessary to change the "name=" parameter to the new name (eg Template:1911–12 Essendon Bombers dual premiership players) if the page is to remain editable directly from article space.
I suggest of future proofing that someone who supports this project goes through the list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football/Articles and makes similar changes to similar pages. -- PBS ( talk) 12:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't have much of a problem with changing the years - except that I'd prefer to see 2007, 09, 11 for non-continuous years rather than 2007-09-11. But is VFL-AFL ok? Should we do something like AFL (VFL) instead? And whilst we're moving things, should we get rid of the nicknames and use "Football Club", as per our MOS? The-Pope ( talk) 13:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Apologies in advance if this has a simple explanation; I had a flu shot earlier today and I'm still spaced. So, for no apparent reason, I was looking to update Tom Nolan (Australian rules footballer) and thus went to Trove, and found this.
Nolan made his VFL debut for Fitzroy in Round 10, 15 July 1899; as seen in the above link, the 20 July 1899 edition of Melbourne Punch refers to the debut of "Nolan" in the following way:
I'm guessing the F.E. Fontaine referred to is Fred Fontaine, who also played for Fitzroy. Fontaine isn't recorded as playing in Round 10, 1899, so theoretically could have played as Nolan in that match, but did front up in Round 11, against St Kilda, where our man Nolan is also listed as playing.
Punch was known as a satirical magazine so it's possible that their reference to Fontaine and Nolan being one and the same was not made seriously, or that F.E. Fontaine may be someone other than Fred Fontaine. Thoughts, anyone? -- Roisterer ( talk) 13:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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I am proposing the following three mergers. I am proposing them here rather than on the individual pages because they share a common justification:
It would appear to me an obvious merger, and I've been quite surprised that my bold merger attempts have met with any opposition. These mergers involve no loss of content. The full narrative about the history of the medal, whom it is named after, etc., can be easily transcribed to the game article without seeming out of place; and the winners of the medal can be listed in their own column in the table of game results (consistent with how it is done in Anzac Day clash), which not only retains all of the information but puts in it clearer context, since the winner is listed beside the match result. Put in Wikipedia guidelines terms, the medal articles are unnecessary content forks, in that the game articles are not sufficiently large or unwieldy to justify the article spin-out type of fork.
As it stands at the moment, Showdown Medal and Marcus Ashcroft Medal can simply be redirected with no other action, since the target pages already contain the full content of the medal pages. Merging Ross Glendinning Medal will require the new columns to be created in the table. Aspirex ( talk) 04:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Following this recent AfD decision relating the deletion of other single-match best-on-ground awards, I believe it lends further weight to being more selective with which awards are given individual pages; and therefore a logical extension that the Glendinning, Ashcroft and Showdown Medals are not notable enough for their own pages and should be merged into the parent match articles. Aspirex ( talk) 06:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
It's bugging me that all of a sudden the icons for clubs on Grand Final pages are aligning left.
I'm sure its a simple fix. Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 14:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I am currently in a dispute with
Flickerd over the notability of the SANFL prior to the introduction of the Adelaide Crows. All reference to Central District and the games played and goals scored in the SANFL has been removed from the infobox for
John Platten, likewise Port Adelaide games and goals have been removed from
Craig Bradley and the West Adelaide details for
Shaun Rehn citing:
SANFL stats/HL do not meet WP:NAFL point 3, stats/highlights are still notable enough to mention within article, however, VFL/AFL is the top-tier competition and he is known for being a VFL/AFL player, therefore, infobox should be reserved for that
Under this logic,
Russell Ebert's 391 games for Port Adelaide and
Graham Cornes's 364 games for Glenelg and South Adelaide should also be removed, just because they happen to have played a season in the VFL.
How do we go about changing
WP:NAFL? People with SANFL achievements prior to 1991 and WAFL achievements prior to 1987 should be treated in the same way as point 2 in regards to notability:
2.Before 1990, appeared in a match of the Victorian Football League.
Either they should be included, or point 2 removed altogether. This bizarre determination of notability means that Alan Tait is more notable in the Wikipedia world than Paul Bagshaw. Screech1616 ( talk) 14:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
WP:NAFL is specifically designed as criteria to determine whether or not a player gets an article; and, more generally, the Wikipedia:Notability guideline is designed to refer to entire articles (as it says in the "in a nutshell" box at the top of the policy, The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article.) Additionally, WP:NAFL is minimum criteria for inclusion; and not meeting NAFL doesn't automatically exclude. Therefore, I don't think Flickerd is quoting the NAFL guideline in the manner in which it is meant to be applied.
On the dispute itself, I don't think anyone should be arguing against players from pre-1985 having their SANFL/WAFL stats included, nor do I think anyone should be arguing against players post-1995 having their SANFL/WAFL stats excluded – we should be focussing our debate on the 1985–1995 grey area and not getting distracted by players like Ebert and Cornes.
Rehn is the very definition of a grey area player in this specific debate. He played his first season with Wests in 1990 (before the Crows joined) and was aged 19, but he only really had a two-year senior career with Wests before he was a regular senior AFL player. I'm a bit of a fence-sitter in the Rehn debate, but if forced to lean one direction, I think his games for Wests should be valid for inclusion in the infobox. My reasoning is that I don't believe SANFL football should suddenly lose its "senior status" in 1991 just because it lost its top twenty players on any given week to the AFL. And for players of Rehn's age: if I recall correctly, South Australian players still weren't being cleared to Victoria until they were 23 at that time (even if drafted at a younger age); therefore, young South Australian players around that time had very limited access to the AFL (probably five to ten spots in the otherwise experienced Adelaide Crows team); and Rehn's time at Wests was therefore still the highest level of senior football available to him, and it was still a good standard of football. That makes it "senior" in my mind.
Bradley is not a grey area player: his entire SANFL career was pre-1985 and should be seen as notable. I have no problem with those statistics being included alongside the AFL statistics and summed into a senior total.
Platten is a challenging one. I think his main stint at Centrals should be included in the same way as Bradley's time at Port Adelaide; but that final half-season at Centrals in 1998 is clearly of lower senior status. What we really need is the AFL history department to make a formal ruling on what is "senior" and what isn't – and then we could simply leave Platten's second stint out of the infobox but describe it in the text. Without that sort of ruling, I think we're kind of stuck leaving both stints in the infobox for completeness.
In my mind, the best solution is that we should include SANFL teams from the "grey area" in the infobox, but we should not sum SANFL and VFL numbers into a "senior total" for any grey area players. Follow the structure on Mark Williams (Australian footballer born 1958) and leave each league as separate for any grey area players; that way we're not making an implication one way or the other about the equivalency of the leagues at that time. Aspirex ( talk) 01:28, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
No significance: I only said 1985–1995 because it represents the fact that the SANFL and WAFL lost their "seniorness" (for lack of a better word) gradually – and that players like Rehn who may have started a couple of years before their state's AFL team was established are seen to have their entire SANFL/WAFL careers fall into the grey area. As for Flickerd's suggestion: like I alluded to before, I don't think we're going to be able to set clear criteria mandating exactly what is to be included and excluded unless the AFL invents an official definition of "senior football" that we can work from (their talk last year about backdating senior premierships to 1870 and creating separate "Victorian era" and "Australian era" definitions hopefully suggests that they are heading in that direction). But if we were to try to make up our own definition, I'd suggest the following starting point, with the caveat that anything else can be included by agreement. I think by necessity there has to be a lot of case-by-case judgements. For the "Big 3" leagues, I'd suggest:
For the Tasmanian leagues and post-1897 VFA, I think it becomes entirely case-by-case; and I think it should be based more on the absolute notability of their careers in the context of those leagues, rather than the notability compared with their VFL/AFL careers – e.g. Darrel Baldock, Barry Round, Peter Hudson and Laurie Nash all had, in my opinion, careers in Tasmania/VFA which should be included in an infobox, even though their VFL/AFL careers were overall much more notable; someone like Athol Hodgetts, even though his NWFU and VFA careers were more notable than his brief VFL career, wasn't important enough to those minor leagues for those teams to go in the infobox; someone like a Jim Christou, whose VFA resume was pretty impressive, could really go either way. I'd also feel comfortable including pre-1920s statistics from the Goldfields FL or the Barrier Ranges FA under the same criteria.
Also, I suppose on a related matter, how we set up the infoboxes should dictate how we define "original team". I think "original team" has to be the last team that the player played for which is not listed in the infobox – i.e. a team should not be detailed in the infobox and listed as original team for the same player. (In Screech's Laurence Schache example, Sturt is shown as both the earliest team in the infobox, and also as the "original team". In his case, "original team" would become Essendon Reserves, or maybe whichever team he played for in the Hopetoun area) Aspirex ( talk) 11:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
As others have raised here, there remains the fundamental issue of stating that someone who played one senior match for Geelong in the early 1940s (when, due to player shortage, the club was literally pulling blokes off the street and sticking a guernsey on them) is more notable than a chap who broke goalkicking records in a range of country leagues. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
So there I was, innocently attempting to add Brad Gotch's Port Adelaide statistics to his info box when I got this rather disconcerting message:
I wasn't sure whether I needed to go into hiding and take an assumed name (who knew Gotch was so opposed to having his Port stats added to his infobox). Can someone put me out of my misery and fix Gotch's infobox? Thanks. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
There are two Aaron Blacks. One plays (sometimes) for North Melbourne, the other won the Sandover Medal playing for West Perth. Now, our standard method to disambiguate players with the same name used to be middle initials, but now is (footballer, born XXX), ie
Up until yesterday, the North Melbourne Black was at Aaron Black (Australian footballer) and the West Perth Black didn't exist. Then the West Perth Black was created at Aaron Black (footballer, born 1992) by User:Athomeinkobe. User:Compassionate727 has since moved them to Aaron Black (AFL footballer) and Aaron Black (WAFL footballer). Now I can understand how this makes sense, but we specifically try to avoid using AFL footballer as a disambiguator, as players rarely only play AFL (you could argue that at the moment he's more of a VFL footballer). He also played 3 games for Peel in the WAFL in 2009. Likewise, the West Perth Black could be drafted to the AFL next year, or move to the SANFL/VFL etc. So, should we leave it at the article title that best suits today, and move it only if the facts change in the future, or should we revert back to our standard format of using birth year? The-Pope ( talk) 13:25, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps 30 years ago I read an article about the traditional game "Amarkum", played by Aboriginal people in southern South Australia, which was similar to Marn Grook, and which the nascent Australian rules teams in South Australia based much of their rules on. The author claimed that we get the word "mark" from Amarkum.
I don't think I imagined the article (and I don't think it was an April Fool's Day article) but I can't find anything online on Amarkum. Has anyone else heard of Amarkum? -- Roisterer ( talk) 01:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Please see this discussion regarding small text in Template:Infobox AFL player, which may need to be altered to meet the WP:FONTSIZE guideline. Suggestions on how to display the information currently smaller than 11px would be appreciated. ~ Rob Talk 09:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
As is my wont, I type random former Australian rules footballer names into Trove and never ceased to be amazed by the result. This time, it was Bernie Fyffe and the first result was Fyffe&searchLimits= this, a letter written by 6 year old Bernie to Kango Children's Corner in the Melbourne Advocate. Does this count as a reliable source to add to Fyffe's article (although we can probably leave out the fact his teacher was a Miss Gregson). -- Roisterer ( talk) 23:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello football enthusiasts. This draft is about a touch football player who has played in the World Cup. I don't know anything about this kind of football. Is this a notable athlete?— Anne Delong ( talk) 04:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I recently added an ISBN of 9771839838003 to a ref for the annual AFL 2015 Season guide book. I don't have the book, I got the ISBN from the NLA and a bookstore. It's being reported as an invalid ISBN. Does anyone have a hard copy of the book to confirm if it is real or a typo? Thanks. The-Pope ( talk) 13:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
I wonder what project members think of articles like this where final training lists for 1949 were announced.
"Final Training Lists Announced". The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957). Melbourne, Vic.: National Library of Australia. 11 April 1949. p. 14. Retrieved 14 August 2015.
Do you think all these names can now be added to each club's entry no matter when they actually debuted, even if a couple of years later e.g 1951 or 1952, or indeed never ? The Richmond list for example could have N Bloom and J Grey added as the Trove article shows them on the supplementary list for 1949 but neither played a senior match for the club. RossRSmith ( talk) 01:42, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can see, we have a nearly even split of how to place a nickname in the middle of an article title. Should we use double quotation marks like:
or single quote marks like:
Or should we avoid it at all costs. I'm considering what to do with Jack McKenzie (footballer). I think that Jack "Dookie" McKenzie or Jack 'Dookie' McKenzie is best, as I've barely found a ref that doesn't call him Dookie. And he did have a son also Jack who also played a few games, hence more disambiguation is needed. And there was Alex McKenzie who was also called Dookie, who played for Carlton pre-VFL.( blueseum) I haven't been able to find an MOS section to advise either way. Or, do we simply remove the first name and the quotation marks altogether and go with Chicken Smallhorn and Nipper Truscott? I think Mark Jackson (Australian footballer) is probably better than Jacko Jackson, as he was never actually called that. Opinions? The-Pope ( talk) 04:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Quotation marks are advised against at WP:NICKNAME: "avoid (for example) adding a nickname, or a contracted version of the original first name(s) in quotes between first and last name" (emphasis mine). That said, it's hardly the most strictly enforced guideline going around – as this discussion proves, it's pretty easy to find article titles that don't follow it. Personally I'd do away with them because if they ever do get mentioned at a fairly rules-conscious process like WP:RM they're likely to be renamed anyway. Most of the ones listed could simply drop the given name and if there are any that wouldn't be well enough known as simply "[nickname] [surname]" then we probably shouldn't have had the nickname in the title to begin with. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Over the past few days, an IP/new editor is repeatedly reverting to his preferred version of the Sam Mitchell (footballer) and Chris Masten articles, incorporating, IMO, far too much detail, conjecture and reaction to the kneeing and biting incidents. As it is generally referenced, I've left a lot of it, but for reasons of UNDUE/BALANCE (nevermind the capitalisation/spelling issues), I don't think it all should be there. He/she is not using edit summaries, nor reply to talk pages, so can others please review and keep an eye on it. The-Pope ( talk) 02:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
The parts of the Penalty card article that mention Aussie rules could do with some work. Hack ( talk) 18:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
I've recently come across a lot of new nav boxes that have been created relating to Brisbane Lions awards, I'm not quite sure what the requirements of notability for nav boxes are, but for some of them I just cannot see how they are notable. I guess I'm basing it off of other nav boxes I've seen, and I don't know if it's a case of notability or if it's a case of no one making them yet. Here are the ones that I think lack notability
{{Nigel Lappin Trophy}}
{{Alastair Lynch Trophy}}
I don't want to discredit the effort that has been gone to in order to make these, but when you have an external link section that looks like Luke Power's or Simon Black's, I feel like it degrades the value of other awards. I'm not 100% sure of the requirements, so I thought I would bring it here for other opinions. Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 16:03, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Could editors please keep an eye on List of Brownlow Medal winners. There is persistent disruptive editing regarding Jobe Watson's Brownlow eligibility. Jevansen ( talk) 01:38, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
It is apparent that for the past five AFL Grand Finals, no pictures of the game have been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons nor uploaded to Flickr with a suitable Creative Commons license for use on Wikipedia. I hope it isn't too much to ask: will any editor here who is lucky enough to be attending the Grand Final this year be able to take some photograph and upload some pics for us to use on articles such as 2015 AFL Grand Final? It would be greatly appreciated! Philip Terry Graham 05:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that the Template:Port Adelaide Football Club Coaches includes (in italics) caretaker coaches of Port Adelaide but Phil Walsh is not included. Walsh took over coaching responsibilities from Mark Williams for one match following the death of Fos Williams. If Alan Richardson is included as a coach on the basis for filling in for Ken Hinkley when the latter was battling the flu, then surely Walsh should be included as well. What do people think? -- Roisterer ( talk) 04:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I suppose there's been a bit of a slow-burn – not really an edit war, but certainly a difference in style choice – relating to the use of team icons in articles, the key proponents Thejoebloggsblog adding icons and and Flickerd removing them on an WP:ICONDECORATION basis. Seeing that Thejoebloggsblog has just put icons back into the List of Australian Football League premiers article and Flickerd has reverted it, I think it's time to get a project consensus.
I'm personally in favour of the use of club icons in the main table of List of Australian Football League premiers, and of any table like it where there is a long list of teams and the key information to be conveyed is the frequency and grouping of a club's entries (e.g. how many flags, and in which periods did a club dominate). By my read of the WP:ICONDECORATION clause, I would say that in a list such as this one, the icons do indeed "serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension", which is a valid reason for including them. It allows readers to identify periods of club dominance at a visual glance, which counts as improved comprehension to me.
I am opposed to using the icons in most other cases, such as:
I guess the other issue is copyright, as I've seen icons removed and re-uploaded on an ongoing basis for a while now. They don't seem to have that issue in the rugby league articles where they've developed their own icons with the team colours in diagonal square patterns rather than a likeness of the guernsey.
etc. (See
Template:League_icon) Perhaps we should adopt that same style.
Aspirex (
talk)
05:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Aspirex In regard to the copyright the icons have slowly become more and more generic. The only icons that are pushing the boundaries at the moment are that of Carlton, GWS and Brisbane. If these get taken down they can be simplified further. Generic shapes and colours have no protection under copyright. I think the icons add a significant amount to the articles.
The icons in question...
File:AFL Brisbane Icon.jpg
Thejoebloggsblog (
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06:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I've noticed for quite some time that the AFL/VFL ladders are still mostly hardcoded. We have to input Games Played, Wins, Draws, Losses, Points For, Points Against, Percentage and Points. Out of these Played, Percentage and Points could be calculated based on the others (W+D+L, PF/PA*100, W*4+D*2). In soccer there has nearly always been templates which require the minimum input and the rest is calculated, with lately the Sports table module (specifically WDL) making it easier than ever. Is it not time Australian Football can use these kinds of tables? Either as a separate template, or another spin-off from the Module.
I have personally wanted to work on it for a while, but have not found the time due to my uni workload. And I'm not entirely sure if I have the technical skill for it. I'd love to hear ideas for implantation or even better if someone has time and ability to pick up the glove.
-- SuperJew ( talk) 13:35, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
@ Aspirex:@ Jenks24:@ The-Pope: Ok. So with a lot of help, the Module has been adapted and can be used for footy. Don't worry Aspirex, it's also very easy to adapt it to SANFL point system. I have a trial here in my sandbox. Please have a look and let me know if there's anything you don't understand and/or should be better explained in comments on the source page. If there are no reasons against, we can start implementing this on the upcoming seasons. -- SuperJew ( talk) 23:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
|status_TTT=Q
and they will have a bolded "(Q)" next to their name with the explanation "(Q): Qualified to the phase indicated" below the table. These statusletters can often be removed after all matches has been played as the position is then indication if the team qualified or not.
Qed237
(talk)
01:16, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Okay. I've implemented it in the current season. Feel free to talk about any issues/worries/ideas/improvements. -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
I am just unsure as to whether the new template is good enough as the AFL can have points adjusted and changed, eg. Phil Walsh match cancelled. This also happened in the NRL and A-League with salary cap issues as mentioned above. I just don't really understand why you would want to change something that is already working? Thanks, TheLabRats ( talk) 11:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC) Also, every time a team changes position, you will need to chnage the team name up to 7 times. I dont understand how it is hard to just add 4 points onto a winning team and do the percentage on the calculator. I also think with the points for and points against system, it really only makes it easier for other lower-scoring sports such as Rugby and Soccer, where the total number of points is much less. Just my opinion, TheLabRats ( talk) 11:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, I just edited the new ladder and believe it took way too long to update this. The other version was much quicker to edit, without having to change the team name 9 times! Can anyone tell me why we are even using this new format for AFL?? TheLabRats ( talk) 05:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
See here. Apparently 146 matches (from 1909 to 1990, all at the G) have had their official attendance figures adjusted. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Just a quick question, should the season pages i.e. 2015 AFL season, 2015 Adelaide Football Club season, be classed as lists or rated articles (i.e. start class)? I would have thought they would be rated articles, but I noticed 1897–2012 have been classed as lists, and the more recent ones are rated articles (mostly start class). Thanks, Flickerd ( talk) 00:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone have any suggestions for how these should ideally be, err, 'extracted' to get the best quality image? In the past I've just used screenshot and then uploaded that, but on reflection I thought someone with photoshop skills or the like might have a better suggestion. Asking mainly in relation to this which should be a good source of images for about 30 players, most of whom I assume won't already have a pic on Wikipedia. Thanks, Jenks24 ( talk) 13:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Following on from a discussion at Jevansen's talk page (see User talk:Jevansen#Alan Thomson), I'm wondering if anyone else can have more luck finding a source to officially confirm that Dave McGrath (footballer, born 1872) is the same person as Charles McGrath (notable for being a politician). They have the same dob/dod and Dave's full name is "David C. McGrath" to Charles' full name of "David Charles McGrath". The politician's son, Dave McGrath (footballer, born 1899), also played for Fitzroy. Taking all this into account, they are almost certainly one person, but I think to merge the articles without first finding a source to confirm it would be a WP:SYNTH violation. Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 14:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Following on a bit from the discussion here about navboxes a few months ago and more directly from a discussion at my talk page, User talk:Jenks24#Collingwood award templates. I think we should largely do away with any remaining succession boxes that are in use amongst this project. Either the award or position is notable enough for a navbox, in which case having a succession box us just duplicating content, or the award/position is not notable enough for a navbox, in which case the succession boxes should also be removed as non-notable. Thoughts? Jenks24 ( talk) 09:56, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Similar discussion going on for NFL at the moment: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Succession boxes?. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a current push to remove NavBoxes as per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 January 28#Brisbane Lions navboxes, now whilst some can be a bit trivial, they certainly do add value to a number of articles. At the moment all the All-Australian ones do not typically fit WP:NAVBOX criterion #4 because there is not a dedicated article on each AA team, but deleting these would be a poor outcome. Personally I have dedicated hours to creating NavBoxes for State of Origin teams (information that is poorly covered elsewhere) and would hate to see this work undone. Personally I think that Navboxes are a great way of linking articles together and add to the overall Wikipedia experience. Screech1616 ( talk) 12:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
Continuing with the vein of discussion regarding deletion/keeping of navboxes, I wanted to reopen the discussion about best first year/young player. As has been previously mentioned by Flickerd "all clubs have an award for it, the AFL industry places a large emphasis on younger players/draftees and the reputation that has been built for the Rising Star and AFLPA first year player means that young player awards do have value. Also there are often articles during the year about "who is your club's best young player" and articles about draftees, so there is a level of coverage." I agree with this statement and think it should be included in our "notable list" with captains, coaches, leading goalkickers and B&F winners. Comment your thoughts below. -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:29, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
is this article about guernseys really notable as an article rather than just a paragraph in the club's main article? -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, just asking a quick question. There's been a lot of talk about navboxes recently, and I was wondering if, in other's opinions, the 22under22 teams from 2012 to present are notable. I think they are, but I tend to be quite generous on the "notable" side. Thanks, Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 16:12, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Would anyone object to a navbox for the Essendon 34? (Or for the supplements saga in general?) Aspirex ( talk) 09:50, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
My proposal for the box:
Aspirex ( talk) 10:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
I have nominated Mark of the Year for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – SchroCat ( talk) 08:50, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just a quick note about this. I started this article yesterday, and it would seem that Blinman is
the same person described on the
australianfootball.com website. (I also really wish that website had a Wikipedia page, but that's another story.) Would be great if those of you with non-internet sources - namely those primitive wood-pulp and printer's-ink based references that I believe are called "books"
- could have a look at this.
Thanks! Pete AU aka --
Shirt58 (
talk)
10:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
So, I was going through old players' pages, mostly disambiguating etc. when I noticed this. The Wikipedia article Fred MacQuire lists him as a North Melbourne player who played 2 games in 1956 (for no goals), who was born on 4 May 1938 and died on 19 December 2012. The only AFL Tables listing of Fred MacQuire also played for the Roos in 1956, but he played 10 games in that year, and continued to play until '59, playing 15 games for 2 goals. He is listed as being born on 12 November 1936. The article links to that page, and there aren't any other Fred MacQuires (or McQuires, Macquires or Mcquires) on the site. Also, the AFL Tables' Fred is 183cm / 84kg, and the Wikipedia Fred is 178cm /74kg. What is going on here? Can't work it out. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 00:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
This is for the general information of all Aussie Rules editors.
Does anyone know whether or not the Australian_Football_Media_Association_Player_of_the_Year is still a thing? I can't really find much on it over the past few years, but maybe it's changed names or something. The article goes up to 2010, so it's either missing five entries or it's missing a sentence explaining that the award is defunct. Aspirex ( talk) 09:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Could anyone help complete the GA process here please? The nominator is absent and it needs some changes to pass GA. Thanks.-- Echetus Xe 17:19, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello all,
I recently finished the creation of List of VFL/AFL players to have scored 500 goals, which as you can imagine took me some time. Frustratingly however, only a few hours after creation, I found List of Australian Football League all-time leading goalkickers. While I will begrudgingly admit that the second article is better and the first is now worth zip, I think that "List of VFL/AFL players to have scored 500 goals" is a better title, especially to conform with List of VFL/AFL players to have played 300 games. So, I've come here to see whether others agree or disagree with deleting the "500 goals" article and then moving the "all-time leading goalkickers" article to the "500 goals" title, or whether others have other ideas. Thanks, Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 00:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Only one response here so I'm going to go ahead and do it. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 23:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I think that List of Brownlow Medal winners should not have any asterisks or notes about Watson's suspension, until the AFL Commission makes a decision. Mr IP disagrees but won't discuss it. What do others think? The-Pope ( talk) 14:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I've been against including the asterisk in the past but the fact that the AFL guide now includes I think makes it hard to argue against it. That source, or the article Aspirex linked to, should be included in the footnote. Once the AFL Commission makes a decision, the footnote should be removed if he is allowed to keep the medal, if not then depending on the verdict his name will either be crossed out or removed and replaced by the runners-up. Jevansen ( talk) 00:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Due to large-scale accessibility problems, Template:Infobox AFL biography needs to be updated. Please see the discussion here for more information and to participate in the discussion. ~ Rob Talk 23:15, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Thought any AFL editors might be interested in this. There is an AfD discsussion here on List of Leicester City F.C. individual awards which affects a few AFL articles. Many clubs have similar articles ( Brisbane Lions, Essendon, Fitzroy, Geelong, Gold Coast, North Melbourne, West Coast), with a few of those (Brisbane Lions, Geelong, North Melbourne) nominated for deletion citing the Leicester AfD. Any opinions on whether those already nominated should be deleted, or whether we should nominate the others too? I'm in favour of keeping all. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 23:14, 19 June 2016 (UTC)