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There's a few thousand of them, in Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs and the related asteroid stub categories. I think most of them (over 95%) should be deleted because of a lack of wp:Notability. Perhaps this has been discussed before. Debresser ( talk) 23:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. All numbered asteroids are generally notable, because they have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. There is no reason to delete them. You can see these AFDs:
where arguments based on WP:NOT were rejected. Or this one
The general opinion is that asteroids are natural objects, and as such they are probably inherently notable. They are not songs, people or companies, which can appear or disappear at any time, they have existed for billions years. Ruslik ( talk) 08:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Please note that you refer to deletion proposals of lists. That's precisely what was suggested, to put them in a list. The next door guy who ran over the girl from the other next door also got coverage. Still we'll agree that this does not make him notable. If anybody knows where to propose deletion of a few thousand asteroids, I'll lend him my voice. Debresser ( talk) 13:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
The key word here is "significant". An announcement in a specialized journal of a list of the next 500 odd asteroids located and catalogued is not significant.
Who can tell me where to raise this question? Debresser ( talk) 17:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
This subject has been extensively discussed, without reaching a useful actionable consensus, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomical objects#main belt asteroids and in Archive 8 ff. Please take note of that large corpus before reworking the same ground here. I think WikiProject Astronomical objects (or a sub-project of that) is the place the discussion needs to be centralized, in any case. Thanks, Wwheaton ( talk) 19:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I propose continuing the discussion at the place you mentioned. Debresser ( talk) 20:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
The discussion has been archived here. Regards, RJH ( talk) 16:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed using a bot to automatically redirect a large number of asteroid stubs back to the list-of-asteroids pages. This is the sort of thing that should only be done if there's strong consensus for it, so I've started a discussion thread at WT:ASTRO#Straw poll: Automated stub redirection. Please comment as you see fit. -- Christopher Thomas ( talk) 09:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Please review the list history at the top of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection_new. Does everything seem to be in order? I'll post it here:
Rich says:
- The JPL references were added to the articles for the minor planets they related to. These are the articles
- 10443 van der Pol
- 11027 Astaf'ev
- 11072 Hiraoka
- 11118 Modra
- 11496 Grass
- 11509 Thersilochos
- 11836 Eileen
- 11868 Kleinrichert
- 11978 Makotomasako
- 12016 Green
- 12071 Davykim
- 12238 Actor
- 1233 Kobresia
- 1242 Zambesia
- 1243 Pamela
- 1244 Deira
- 1249 Rutherfordia
- 1250 Galanthus
- 12527 Anneraugh
- 1255 Schilowa
- 1261 Legia
- 1267 Geertruida
- 1281 Jeanne
- 12845 Crick
- 12895 Balbastre
- 1291 Phryne
- 13014 Hasslacher
- 13154 Petermrva
- 13260 Sabadell
- 1328 Devota
- 1337 Gerarda
- 1340 Yvette
- 1346 Gotha
- 1347 Patria
- 13482 Igorfedorov
- 1349 Bechuana
- 13533 Junili
- 1354 Botha
- 1356 Nyanza
- 1364 Safara
- 1366 Piccolo
- 1368 Numidia
- 13732 Woodall
- 1378 Leonce
- 1379 Lomonosowa
- 13806 Darmstrong
- 1382 Gerti
- 1389 Onnie
- 13906 Shunda
- 1392 Pierre
- 13921 Sgarbini
- 1393 Sofala
- 1397 Umtata
- 13977 Frisch
- 1405 Sibelius
- 1409 Isko
- 14141 Demeautis
- 14164 Hennigar
- 1419 Danzig
- 1425 Tuorla
- 1426 Riviera
- 1429 Pemba
- 1430 Somalia
- 1431 Luanda
- 14335 Alexosipov
- 1434 Margot
- 14342 Iglika
- 1452 Hunnia
- 1460 Haltia
- 14643 Morata
- 14659 Gregoriana
- 1477 Bonsdorffia
- 14835 Holdridge
- 1496 Turku
- 1504 Lappeenranta
- 15107 Toepperwein
- 1522 Kokkola
- 1524 Joensuu
- 1532 Inari
- 1533 Saimaa
- 15350 Naganuma
- 15374 Teta
- 1540 Kevola
- 15415 Rika
- 1543 Bourgeois
- 1576 Fabiola
- 1585 Union
- 1609 Brenda
- 1611 Beyer
- 1628 Strobel
- 1644 Rafita
- 1646 Rosseland
- 1648 Shajna
- 1665 Gaby
- 1669 Dagmar
- 1672 Gezelle
- 1682 Karel
- 1688 Wilkens
- 17035 Velichko
- 1707 Chantal
- 17079 Lavrovsky
- 1709 Ukraina
- 1710 Gothard
- 1712 Angola
- 1718 Namibia
- 17198 Gorjup
- 1720 Niels
- 1722 Goffin
- 1731 Smuts
- 1735 ITA
- 1753 Mieke
- 1754 Cunningham
- 1757 Porvoo
- 1759 Kienle
- 17683 Kanagawa
- 1789 Dobrovolsky
- 1800 Aguilar
- 1801 Titicaca
- 1803 Zwicky
- 1804 Chebotarev
- 1805 Dirikis
- 1837 Osita
- 1842 Hynek
- 1873 Agenor
- 1877 Marsden
- 1879 Broederstroom
- 18874 Raoulbehrend
- 1897 Hind
- 1902 Shaposhnikov
- 1907 Rudneva
- 1928 Summa
- 1933 Tinchen
- 19379 Labrecque
- 1939 Loretta
- 1941 Wild
- 1946 Walraven
- 1956 Artek
- 1957 Angara
- 1960 Guisan
- 1961 Dufour
- 19763 Klimesh
- 1995 Hajek
- 19982 Barbaradoore
- 2003 Harding
- 2013 Tucapel
- 2017 Wesson
- 2049 Grietje
- 2054 Gawain
- 20571 Tiamorrison
- 2080 Jihlava
- 2084 Okayama
- 20898 Fountainhills
- 2091 Sampo
- 2109 Dhotel
- 2111 Tselina
- 2113 Ehrdni
- 2139 Makharadze
- 2140 Kemerovo
- 21436 Chaoyichi
- 2156 Kate
- 21609 Williamcaleb
- 21652 Vasishtha
- 21705 Subinmin
- 2175 Andrea Doria
- 2186 Keldysh
- 2187 La Silla
- 2197 Shanghai
- 22338 Janemojo
- 2253 Espinette
- 2259 Sofievka
- 22603 Davidoconnor
- 2274 Ehrsson
- 2276 Warck
- 22776 Matossian
- 2285 Ron Helin
- 2292 Seili
- 2293 Guernica
- 22988 Jimmyhom
- 2301 Whitford
- 2302 Florya
- 2304 Slavia
- 2323 Zverev
- 2338 Bokhan
- 2339 Anacreon
- 2364 Seillier
- 23712 Willpatrick
- 2381 Landi
- 2385 Mustel
- 2398 Jilin
- 24101 Cassini
- 2415 Ganesa
- 2416 Sharonov
- 2422 Perovskaya
- 2433 Sootiyo
- 2442 Corbett
- 2443 Tomeileen
- 24643 MacCready
- 2474 Ruby
- 2477 Biryukov
- 2480 Papanov
- 2483 Guinevere
- 2490 Bussolini
- 2523 Ryba
- 2524 Budovicium
- 2529 Rockwell Kent
- 2543 Machado
- 2545 Verbiest
- 2563 Boyarchuk
- 2572 Annschnell
- 2591 Dworetsky
- 2624 Samitchell
- 2637 Bobrovnikoff
- 2649 Oongaq
- 2669 Shostakovich
- 2687 Tortali
- 26879 Haines
- 2713 Luxembourg
- 2714 Matti
- 2760 Kacha
- 2774 Tenojoki
- 2779 Mary
- 2783 Chernyshevskij
- 2785 Sedov
- 2794 Kulik
- 2796 Kron
- 2832 Lada
- 2862 Vavilov
- 2880 Nihondaira
- 2893 Peiroos
- 2895 Memnon
- 2896 Preiss
- 2937 Gibbs
- 2939 Coconino
- 2942 Cordie
- 2943 Heinrich
- 2945 Zanstra
- 2960 Ohtaki
- 2981 Chagall
- 2991 Bilbo
- 2993 Wendy
- 2995 Taratuta
- 3005 Pervictoralex
- 3025 Higson
- 3052 Herzen
- 3068 Khanina
- 3076 Garber
- 3080 Moisseiev
- 3099 Hergenrother
- 3101 Goldberger
- 3109 Machin
- 3111 Misuzu
- 3116 Goodricke
- 3133 Sendai
- 3134 Kostinsky
- 3141 Buchar
- 3176 Paolicchi
- 3178 Yoshitsune
- 3186 Manuilova
- 31956 Wald
- 3212 Agricola
- 3247 Di Martino
- 3267 Glo
- 3268 De Sanctis
- 3284 Niebuhr
- 3290 Azabu
- 3300 McGlasson
- 3332 Raksha
- 3370 Kohsai
- 3402 Wisdom
- 3403 Tammy
- 3444 Stepanian
- 3485 Barucci
- 35062 Sakuranosyou
- 3514 Hooke
- 3525 Paul
- 3557 Sokolsky
- 3590 Holst
- 3597 Kakkuri
- 3617 Eicher
- 3631 Sigyn
- 3637 O'Meara
- 3638 Davis
- 3651 Friedman
- 3657 Ermolova
- 3675 Kemstach
- 3685 Derdenye
- 3724 Annenskij
- 3725 Valsecchi
- 3729 Yangzhou
- 3731 Hancock
- 3761 Romanskaya
- 3785 Kitami
- 3790 Raywilson
- 3794 Sthenelos
- 3801 Thrasymedes
- 3807 Pagels
- 3811 Karma
- 3843 OISCA
- 3855 Pasasymphonia
- 3872 Akirafujii
- 3880 Kaiserman
- 3888 Hoyt
- 3906 Chao
- 3918 Brel
- 3923 Radzievskij
- 3924 Birch
- 3935 Toatenmongakkai
- 3936 Elst
- 3953 Perth
- 3960 Chaliubieju
- 3968 Koptelov
- 39741 Komm
- 3986 Rozhkovskij
- 4007 Euryalos
- 4008 Corbin
- 4045 Lowengrub
- 4057 Demophon
- 4085 Weir
- 4112 Hrabal
- 4162 SAF
- 4169 Celsius
- 4172 Rochefort
- 4174 Pikulia
- 4190 Kvasnica
- 4196 Shuya
- 4201 Orosz
- 4204 Barsig
- 4214 Veralynn
- 4224 Susa
- 4226 Damiaan
- 4255 Spacewatch
- 4263 Abashiri
- 4289 Biwako
- 4294 Horatius
- 4308 Magarach
- 4317 Garibaldi
- 4323 Hortulus
- 4423 Golden
- 4457 van Gogh
- 4467 Kaidanovskij
- 4498 Shinkoyama
- 4502 Elizabethann
- 4505 Okamura
- 4509 Gorbatskij
- 4703 Kagoshima
- 4712 Iwaizumi
- 4722 Agelaos
- 4741 Leskov
- 4754 Panthoos
- 4773 Hayakawa
- 4791 Iphidamas
- 4792 Lykaon
- 4806 Miho
- 4816 Connelly
- 4827 Dares
- 4828 Misenus
- 4832 Palinurus
- 4833 Meges
- 4836 Medon
- 4863 Yasutani
- 4867 Polites
- 4894 Ask
- 4946 Askalaphus
Let's not leave them here. Where should we put them? Chrisrus ( talk) 02:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Phase I:
Phase II:
Phase III
NOTE:
The actual list contains the above text and the list itself. Here it is again: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection_new Chrisrus ( talk) 04:49, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I remember there was consensus to get rid of the stubs over a certain number. Does anyone remember what the cutoff was? Gigs ( talk) 15:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability from February 2012 has something like 5000 articles (mainly stubs?) tagged as questionable notability. That is an astronomical number of tagged articles. (sorry...) It would be good to get a decision on what to do with them. Listify maybe? -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 08:29, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed that there's a {{ chemical-importance}} so perhaps we should have a {{ astronomical-object-importance}} template, with corresponding category Category: Astronomical object articles with topics of unclear importance -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 07:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
{{
Notability|Astro}}
does the same thing. And I notice that the chemistry version is currently a candidate to be merged into {{
notability}}.
Modest Genius
talk 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm thinking about asking for a new bot task to turn all stubs on unnamed minor planets (articles like (59115) 1998 XG3) into redirects, as suggested by Wikipedia:Notability (astronomical objects)#Dealing with minor planets. At the moment, we have 4112 such articles (excluding redirects and all named minor planets), which seems to be about 4112 too many. I haven't (obviously) checked them all, but those I did check didn't contain any material establishing notability, and not even any material not already present in the lists. For the named minor planets, the situation seems to be more varied and no blanket appraoch seems to be advisable here (although a fair number, e.g. 10095 Carlloewe, could be redirected as well); so my proposal is only for unnamed minor planets, those where the article name starts with "(". Thoughts? Fram ( talk) 10:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
So, it looks like there is no consensus for a bot task for this, but that most people see no problem with someone manually doing this (as long as it is done somewhat carefully obviously). I'll see whether I can easily do this correctly with AWB, but if someone else feels the urge to tackle this, feel free, no need to wait for me :-) Fram ( talk) 06:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I know this has been brought up above, but to make sure people actually see it, I'm going to start it in a new section. By now most regular readers here are probably aware of WP's minor planet problem, in that (literally) tens of thousands of non-notable minor planet articles have been created by ClueBot II ( talk · contribs) and other users. Past requests for redirecting these to the listings of minor planets have gained consensus, but there has been no consensus on exactly how to carry out the redirection. The biggest problem is that maybe 1000 of them actually 'are notable, and should not be redirected. How to avoid redirecting these when using a bot has been a challenge to figure out.
In order to reduce the false positive rate to nearly zero, I propose the following criteria for a redirection-by-bot:
These three criteria would sacrifice redirecting some obviously non-notable ones created by other authors or with larger prose in exchange for significantly reducing the false positive rate of such a bot. Thoughts on these criteria for a bot? Pinging @ Kheider:, who is an editor who has done good work in the field and whose opinions would be appreciated. StringTheory11 ( t • c) 19:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I have been bold and merged Meanings of minor planet names: 391001–392000 to List of minor planets: 391001–392000. There are hundreds of very similar pairs of articles already. Is there a good reason to keep them separate for all but the first X (20,000? Less?) minor planets? Fram ( talk) 09:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Soon after the ides of March last year there was very narrow consensus (1 other editor) on Category talk:Main Belt asteroid stubs to turn all (or most) minor planet stubs into redirects to List of minor planets: xxxx–xxxx. Solo Toady ( talk) ( contribs) initiated the discussion, received support from @ Chrisrus: (ping) 5 hours later, began redirecting 12 hours later, redirected about 326 asteroid pages, then quit Wikipedia literally the next day after receiving a request to stop from @ Kheider: (ping). I spot-checked about a dozen non-current versions and most are still redirects, so I'm left wondering (as anyone who might stumble across these):
I'll leave a pointer on the category talk page to here, and I'll try not to induce bias with my opinion right now. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 03:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I initially delayed my response to see what other people might think without them reading my personal bias. My concern with Solo Toady was that I did not want to see hundreds or even thousands of low numbered asteroids re-directed without a proper discussion involving several people. I have always enjoyed working with StringTheory. On the other hand, I have accused Chrisrus of Forumshopping since October 2013. In March 2014, I did NOT know Chrisrus was using Solo Toady to forward his crusade. Undoing 20 of of the 321 re-directs is probably the most reasonable solution, though even many of them may not be very notable. -- Kheider ( talk) 10:58, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
What I would like to know is how many of Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs are NOT re-directs to a list? -- Kheider ( talk) 12:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
StringTheory11 made a bot request (never performed and aspects previously discussed here, here, here, here, and here) with the following criteria (verbatim):
I can filter articles in AWB which meet criteria 1, 3, 4, but not #2 (I think).
If y'all want, I can do this semi-automatically, or I can use a different criteria #2v2:
which doesn't restrict pages to those created by ClueBot II or Merovingian, but maintains a similar spirit to the original request, I think. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 17:27, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
But remember that if placed in a list, MoS tells us to never allow the linking to go circular and link back to it's page of origin. "Do not link to pages that redirect back to the page the link is on." They can be redlinked "IF" it is likely to have a stand-alone article created in the future. But no links back to itself. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I've seen several asteroid redirects which kept the original article's categories (i.e. Category:Astronomical objects discovered in 1990, Category:Discoveries by Kin Endate, Category:Discoveries by Kazuro Watanabe). These redirects are in the minority, but I can see why they'd be useful to someone searching through them. Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects says generally, no, but maybe, sometimes. Should I keep all categories when I make the redirect or just get rid of them as usual? ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 12:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
unless there are dedicated list articles in place: I'm redirecting all asteroid stubs to pages/locations such as List of minor planets: 9001–10000#101 (I guess that wasn't made clear in this thread). Do you disagree with the categorization of all these redirects? ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 17:08, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: 1st pass on the ~16,500 #redirect candidate asteroid stubs is complete. ~8,240 redirects were made. Exceptions to the above criteria were made on a case-by-case basis, for example: 2307 Garuda, 17543 Sosva, 18155 Jasonschuler, 18809 Meileawertz. This has brought down the WikiProject Astronomy cleanup listing and Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability from February 2012 dramatically!
Proposal: I noticed the potential for a few small expansions of the orignal #redirect criteria. Once I started with an edit summary (..."2) main-body data duplicated on the list page"...) I wanted it to hold true for the entire run. Now, with the original criteria fulfilled, I think the following 3 reasonable modifications (rules) can be added (assuming the page contains no novel information):
5) Pages with orbital parameter data from the JPL database written into the article text (i.e. orbital period like 23315_Navinbrian and 28516 Möbius, or with several parameters like (5903) 1989 AN1). Any page with diameter, mass, density, surface gravity, or escape velocity won't be redirected because those doesn't appear obviously on the JPL link.
6) Pages with namesake information written into the article text (i.e. xxx was named after yyy, xxx is Latin for yyy, etc.), which already reside in list form at Meanings of minor planet names.
7) Pages with specifically these 3 external links: 1) to the JPL database (rule #1), 2) to the Minor Planet Center database (like http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/NumberedMPs005001.html), which is basically a duplicate of the info on the #redirect lists and/or the JPL database, and 3) to Lutz D. Schmadel's Dictionary of Minor Planet Names, which is the primary source for the Meanings of minor planet names: 2001–2500 family of pages (see top of that page).
Is there a concensus to include some or all of rules 5, 6, 7 in a subsequent run? ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 13:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: 2nd pass using rules #1-7 is complete. ~2790 redirects were made. Of the 16,444 asteroids numbered > 2000, 15,035 are now redirects. The 555 missing-meanings asteroids will be delt with later (next Tuesday). ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 15:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Towards the beginning of the 2nd pass I saw that some asteroid pages which included the discoverer's information did not have the corresponding category. I figured out an easy way to make 431 AWB rules to made sure that asteroids which contained variants of "discovered by <name>" included one (or more) of the 431 corresponding "Category: Discoveries by <name>". I wish I had seen this opportunity sooner, but I applied it to all non-redirects at the time (~4100) and only made 41 additions. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 19:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
While going through the asteroids, I found that there are many Meanings of minor planet names which exist in Lutz D. Schmadel's Dictionary of Minor Planet Names (Google Books link) but not in the list pages. If someone here would want to put in and wikilink some of the missing meanings, that would be very helpful. Only a small phrase is necessary for each entry (i.e. 3905 Doppler: Christian Doppler, Austrian mathematician and physicist). ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 19:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
<s>
what you've done. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
contribs ⋅
dgaf) 19:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC)Meanings of minor planet names: 3501–4000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 4001–4500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 4501–5000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 5001–5500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 5501–6000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 6001–6500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 6501–7000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 7001–7500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 7501–8000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 8001–8500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 8501–9000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 9501–10000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 10001–11000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 11001–12000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 12001–13000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 13001–14000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 14001–15000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 15001–16000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 16001–17000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 17001–18000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 18001–19000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 19001–20000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 21001–22000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 22001–23000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 23001–24000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 24001–25000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 25001–26000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 26001–27000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 27001–28000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 28001–29000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 29001–30000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 84001–85000 is missing:
Update: 3rd pass using rules #1-7, but relaxed rule #6, is complete. All but ~3 of the above 555 missing-meaning asteroids were redirected. ~3 of them had live AfDs so were not touched.
There should now be ~857 non-redirected asteroid articles numbered > 2000. The Astronomy cleanup listing is now down from 20% of all astro articles being marked for cleanup before I started to 10%.
I also went through all current asteroid redirects, adding {{ R to list entry}} to ~3704, and propagating categories on ~45 uncategorized redirects (entirely-uncategorized redirects were actually in the minority). However, this doesn't mean that all redirects have all of their parent article's categories (but the ones I touched do). ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 18:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Code: To facilitate the redirect process, I made an AWB module to increment and/or decrement any number on a page. I thought I'd share it here: User:Tom.Reding/Inc & Dec AWB Module. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 20:46, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Update 4th pass using the parent Category:Minor planets (instead of the child Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs) added 223 redirects and 1584 "keeps" numbered > 2000.
Of the 1584 keeps were 183 unnamed asteroids numbered > 2000 with only a preliminary designation (no final designation per JPL), and an additional 26 numbered <= 2000, for a total of 209. Therefore, they are without a list to redirect them to (that I know of). If anyone knows if there's a place to redirect these that would be helpful. Otherwise, some of these could actually be proper AfDs (@ Boleyn:). I'll separate these 209 in #Summary of Remaining Redirected & Unredirected Asteroid Articles below. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 14:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Asteroids in Category:Minor planets | # of redirects | # of non-redirects | Total |
---|---|---|---|
numbered <= 2000 | 71 | 1851 | 1922 |
numbered > 2000 | 15,594 | 1721* | 17,315 |
unnumbered | 2 | 209** | 211 |
Total | 15,667 | 3781 | 19,448 |
~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 15:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I made a list page of 376 candidates (for now) at User:Tom.Reding/Shortlist of minor planet redirect candidates, so we're all on the same page (figuratively & literally), and so we're not doing more work than is needed. Now, have at it! ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 07:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
If anyone sees some borderline cases, feel free to add them. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 08:05, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Only ~58 "unchecked" candidates remaining! ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 16:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
There are some improvements to implement and inconsistencies to iron out in the sea of MP #Rs that Rfassbind and I have been talking about that have built up enough for another run. I'll summarize them here from my talk page for further discussion/FYI:
{{R from ...}}
templates, which are easier to search for, add, and remove than their {{
Redr}} counterparts.<!--Before reverting this redirect into an article, [...]-->
comment with the much nicer, much more obvious, much easier to change {{
NASTRO comment}}, per
WP:NASTRO#Dealing with minor planets. (applicable to ~98–99% of MP #Rs)#REDIRECT [[...]]
: Per all examples on
WP:Redirect,
WP:REDCAT, {{
Redr}}, {{
R to list entry}}, {{
R to anchor}}, etc., etc. id=001
, id=002
, id=003
, etc.) add:990 new anchors × 6 bytes/anchor = 5,940 b = 5.801 kB
,id=001
, id=011
, id=021
, etc.) add:80 new anchors × 6 bytes/anchor = 480 b = 0.469 kB
,~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 16:09, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Thx Tom for the introduction/summary:
Proposal, yesterday I was thinking about an integrated NASTRO-comment template (see not so serious example in the sandbox). I feel like we should only have one single template for all MP#Rs, with some additional parameters, so future changes would be much simpler. Of course this somehow might complicate an easy search.. but it would make things so much easier, wouldn't it?! Rfassbind – talk 17:47, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Before reverting this redirect
to Before turning this redirect
(it feels so good having templates around).Before turning this redirect
, we could use a dynamically displayed Before turning '''{{bigger|{{PAGENAME}}}} '''
(see example for recent MP#R
6018 Pierssac). As for the proposed all-in-one NASTRO-template, I don't know if it's feasible, either ("recursion"), but since you're an template-editor, I'm confident you'll figure it out soon.
Rfassbind
– talk 09:16, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
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and an additional name-parameter for the correct name. I think it is not that difficult to create such an AIO-tpl, but we need to agree on that first.
Rfassbind
– talk 20:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)|do-not-cat=yes
or |dont-cat=yes
? This would then replace the usual NASTRO comment with the "don't cat" one (I like the one you made in the sandbox).OK, let's forget about an all-in-one template, that's fine with me. I see you already implemented all missing anchors, well done. If you want me to file a bot-request or adjust the example at WP:DWMP, just let me know. Thx Rfassbind – talk 12:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
See User talk: Tom.Reding#Revise unhelpful potatoes MP#R. Adding it here FYI & for posterity under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy/Archive table of asteroids 1 (eventually) to elucidate the immense saga. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 16:49, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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There's a few thousand of them, in Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs and the related asteroid stub categories. I think most of them (over 95%) should be deleted because of a lack of wp:Notability. Perhaps this has been discussed before. Debresser ( talk) 23:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. All numbered asteroids are generally notable, because they have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. There is no reason to delete them. You can see these AFDs:
where arguments based on WP:NOT were rejected. Or this one
The general opinion is that asteroids are natural objects, and as such they are probably inherently notable. They are not songs, people or companies, which can appear or disappear at any time, they have existed for billions years. Ruslik ( talk) 08:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Please note that you refer to deletion proposals of lists. That's precisely what was suggested, to put them in a list. The next door guy who ran over the girl from the other next door also got coverage. Still we'll agree that this does not make him notable. If anybody knows where to propose deletion of a few thousand asteroids, I'll lend him my voice. Debresser ( talk) 13:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
The key word here is "significant". An announcement in a specialized journal of a list of the next 500 odd asteroids located and catalogued is not significant.
Who can tell me where to raise this question? Debresser ( talk) 17:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
This subject has been extensively discussed, without reaching a useful actionable consensus, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomical objects#main belt asteroids and in Archive 8 ff. Please take note of that large corpus before reworking the same ground here. I think WikiProject Astronomical objects (or a sub-project of that) is the place the discussion needs to be centralized, in any case. Thanks, Wwheaton ( talk) 19:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I propose continuing the discussion at the place you mentioned. Debresser ( talk) 20:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
The discussion has been archived here. Regards, RJH ( talk) 16:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed using a bot to automatically redirect a large number of asteroid stubs back to the list-of-asteroids pages. This is the sort of thing that should only be done if there's strong consensus for it, so I've started a discussion thread at WT:ASTRO#Straw poll: Automated stub redirection. Please comment as you see fit. -- Christopher Thomas ( talk) 09:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Please review the list history at the top of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection_new. Does everything seem to be in order? I'll post it here:
Rich says:
- The JPL references were added to the articles for the minor planets they related to. These are the articles
- 10443 van der Pol
- 11027 Astaf'ev
- 11072 Hiraoka
- 11118 Modra
- 11496 Grass
- 11509 Thersilochos
- 11836 Eileen
- 11868 Kleinrichert
- 11978 Makotomasako
- 12016 Green
- 12071 Davykim
- 12238 Actor
- 1233 Kobresia
- 1242 Zambesia
- 1243 Pamela
- 1244 Deira
- 1249 Rutherfordia
- 1250 Galanthus
- 12527 Anneraugh
- 1255 Schilowa
- 1261 Legia
- 1267 Geertruida
- 1281 Jeanne
- 12845 Crick
- 12895 Balbastre
- 1291 Phryne
- 13014 Hasslacher
- 13154 Petermrva
- 13260 Sabadell
- 1328 Devota
- 1337 Gerarda
- 1340 Yvette
- 1346 Gotha
- 1347 Patria
- 13482 Igorfedorov
- 1349 Bechuana
- 13533 Junili
- 1354 Botha
- 1356 Nyanza
- 1364 Safara
- 1366 Piccolo
- 1368 Numidia
- 13732 Woodall
- 1378 Leonce
- 1379 Lomonosowa
- 13806 Darmstrong
- 1382 Gerti
- 1389 Onnie
- 13906 Shunda
- 1392 Pierre
- 13921 Sgarbini
- 1393 Sofala
- 1397 Umtata
- 13977 Frisch
- 1405 Sibelius
- 1409 Isko
- 14141 Demeautis
- 14164 Hennigar
- 1419 Danzig
- 1425 Tuorla
- 1426 Riviera
- 1429 Pemba
- 1430 Somalia
- 1431 Luanda
- 14335 Alexosipov
- 1434 Margot
- 14342 Iglika
- 1452 Hunnia
- 1460 Haltia
- 14643 Morata
- 14659 Gregoriana
- 1477 Bonsdorffia
- 14835 Holdridge
- 1496 Turku
- 1504 Lappeenranta
- 15107 Toepperwein
- 1522 Kokkola
- 1524 Joensuu
- 1532 Inari
- 1533 Saimaa
- 15350 Naganuma
- 15374 Teta
- 1540 Kevola
- 15415 Rika
- 1543 Bourgeois
- 1576 Fabiola
- 1585 Union
- 1609 Brenda
- 1611 Beyer
- 1628 Strobel
- 1644 Rafita
- 1646 Rosseland
- 1648 Shajna
- 1665 Gaby
- 1669 Dagmar
- 1672 Gezelle
- 1682 Karel
- 1688 Wilkens
- 17035 Velichko
- 1707 Chantal
- 17079 Lavrovsky
- 1709 Ukraina
- 1710 Gothard
- 1712 Angola
- 1718 Namibia
- 17198 Gorjup
- 1720 Niels
- 1722 Goffin
- 1731 Smuts
- 1735 ITA
- 1753 Mieke
- 1754 Cunningham
- 1757 Porvoo
- 1759 Kienle
- 17683 Kanagawa
- 1789 Dobrovolsky
- 1800 Aguilar
- 1801 Titicaca
- 1803 Zwicky
- 1804 Chebotarev
- 1805 Dirikis
- 1837 Osita
- 1842 Hynek
- 1873 Agenor
- 1877 Marsden
- 1879 Broederstroom
- 18874 Raoulbehrend
- 1897 Hind
- 1902 Shaposhnikov
- 1907 Rudneva
- 1928 Summa
- 1933 Tinchen
- 19379 Labrecque
- 1939 Loretta
- 1941 Wild
- 1946 Walraven
- 1956 Artek
- 1957 Angara
- 1960 Guisan
- 1961 Dufour
- 19763 Klimesh
- 1995 Hajek
- 19982 Barbaradoore
- 2003 Harding
- 2013 Tucapel
- 2017 Wesson
- 2049 Grietje
- 2054 Gawain
- 20571 Tiamorrison
- 2080 Jihlava
- 2084 Okayama
- 20898 Fountainhills
- 2091 Sampo
- 2109 Dhotel
- 2111 Tselina
- 2113 Ehrdni
- 2139 Makharadze
- 2140 Kemerovo
- 21436 Chaoyichi
- 2156 Kate
- 21609 Williamcaleb
- 21652 Vasishtha
- 21705 Subinmin
- 2175 Andrea Doria
- 2186 Keldysh
- 2187 La Silla
- 2197 Shanghai
- 22338 Janemojo
- 2253 Espinette
- 2259 Sofievka
- 22603 Davidoconnor
- 2274 Ehrsson
- 2276 Warck
- 22776 Matossian
- 2285 Ron Helin
- 2292 Seili
- 2293 Guernica
- 22988 Jimmyhom
- 2301 Whitford
- 2302 Florya
- 2304 Slavia
- 2323 Zverev
- 2338 Bokhan
- 2339 Anacreon
- 2364 Seillier
- 23712 Willpatrick
- 2381 Landi
- 2385 Mustel
- 2398 Jilin
- 24101 Cassini
- 2415 Ganesa
- 2416 Sharonov
- 2422 Perovskaya
- 2433 Sootiyo
- 2442 Corbett
- 2443 Tomeileen
- 24643 MacCready
- 2474 Ruby
- 2477 Biryukov
- 2480 Papanov
- 2483 Guinevere
- 2490 Bussolini
- 2523 Ryba
- 2524 Budovicium
- 2529 Rockwell Kent
- 2543 Machado
- 2545 Verbiest
- 2563 Boyarchuk
- 2572 Annschnell
- 2591 Dworetsky
- 2624 Samitchell
- 2637 Bobrovnikoff
- 2649 Oongaq
- 2669 Shostakovich
- 2687 Tortali
- 26879 Haines
- 2713 Luxembourg
- 2714 Matti
- 2760 Kacha
- 2774 Tenojoki
- 2779 Mary
- 2783 Chernyshevskij
- 2785 Sedov
- 2794 Kulik
- 2796 Kron
- 2832 Lada
- 2862 Vavilov
- 2880 Nihondaira
- 2893 Peiroos
- 2895 Memnon
- 2896 Preiss
- 2937 Gibbs
- 2939 Coconino
- 2942 Cordie
- 2943 Heinrich
- 2945 Zanstra
- 2960 Ohtaki
- 2981 Chagall
- 2991 Bilbo
- 2993 Wendy
- 2995 Taratuta
- 3005 Pervictoralex
- 3025 Higson
- 3052 Herzen
- 3068 Khanina
- 3076 Garber
- 3080 Moisseiev
- 3099 Hergenrother
- 3101 Goldberger
- 3109 Machin
- 3111 Misuzu
- 3116 Goodricke
- 3133 Sendai
- 3134 Kostinsky
- 3141 Buchar
- 3176 Paolicchi
- 3178 Yoshitsune
- 3186 Manuilova
- 31956 Wald
- 3212 Agricola
- 3247 Di Martino
- 3267 Glo
- 3268 De Sanctis
- 3284 Niebuhr
- 3290 Azabu
- 3300 McGlasson
- 3332 Raksha
- 3370 Kohsai
- 3402 Wisdom
- 3403 Tammy
- 3444 Stepanian
- 3485 Barucci
- 35062 Sakuranosyou
- 3514 Hooke
- 3525 Paul
- 3557 Sokolsky
- 3590 Holst
- 3597 Kakkuri
- 3617 Eicher
- 3631 Sigyn
- 3637 O'Meara
- 3638 Davis
- 3651 Friedman
- 3657 Ermolova
- 3675 Kemstach
- 3685 Derdenye
- 3724 Annenskij
- 3725 Valsecchi
- 3729 Yangzhou
- 3731 Hancock
- 3761 Romanskaya
- 3785 Kitami
- 3790 Raywilson
- 3794 Sthenelos
- 3801 Thrasymedes
- 3807 Pagels
- 3811 Karma
- 3843 OISCA
- 3855 Pasasymphonia
- 3872 Akirafujii
- 3880 Kaiserman
- 3888 Hoyt
- 3906 Chao
- 3918 Brel
- 3923 Radzievskij
- 3924 Birch
- 3935 Toatenmongakkai
- 3936 Elst
- 3953 Perth
- 3960 Chaliubieju
- 3968 Koptelov
- 39741 Komm
- 3986 Rozhkovskij
- 4007 Euryalos
- 4008 Corbin
- 4045 Lowengrub
- 4057 Demophon
- 4085 Weir
- 4112 Hrabal
- 4162 SAF
- 4169 Celsius
- 4172 Rochefort
- 4174 Pikulia
- 4190 Kvasnica
- 4196 Shuya
- 4201 Orosz
- 4204 Barsig
- 4214 Veralynn
- 4224 Susa
- 4226 Damiaan
- 4255 Spacewatch
- 4263 Abashiri
- 4289 Biwako
- 4294 Horatius
- 4308 Magarach
- 4317 Garibaldi
- 4323 Hortulus
- 4423 Golden
- 4457 van Gogh
- 4467 Kaidanovskij
- 4498 Shinkoyama
- 4502 Elizabethann
- 4505 Okamura
- 4509 Gorbatskij
- 4703 Kagoshima
- 4712 Iwaizumi
- 4722 Agelaos
- 4741 Leskov
- 4754 Panthoos
- 4773 Hayakawa
- 4791 Iphidamas
- 4792 Lykaon
- 4806 Miho
- 4816 Connelly
- 4827 Dares
- 4828 Misenus
- 4832 Palinurus
- 4833 Meges
- 4836 Medon
- 4863 Yasutani
- 4867 Polites
- 4894 Ask
- 4946 Askalaphus
Let's not leave them here. Where should we put them? Chrisrus ( talk) 02:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Phase I:
Phase II:
Phase III
NOTE:
The actual list contains the above text and the list itself. Here it is again: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection_new Chrisrus ( talk) 04:49, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I remember there was consensus to get rid of the stubs over a certain number. Does anyone remember what the cutoff was? Gigs ( talk) 15:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability from February 2012 has something like 5000 articles (mainly stubs?) tagged as questionable notability. That is an astronomical number of tagged articles. (sorry...) It would be good to get a decision on what to do with them. Listify maybe? -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 08:29, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed that there's a {{ chemical-importance}} so perhaps we should have a {{ astronomical-object-importance}} template, with corresponding category Category: Astronomical object articles with topics of unclear importance -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 07:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
{{
Notability|Astro}}
does the same thing. And I notice that the chemistry version is currently a candidate to be merged into {{
notability}}.
Modest Genius
talk 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm thinking about asking for a new bot task to turn all stubs on unnamed minor planets (articles like (59115) 1998 XG3) into redirects, as suggested by Wikipedia:Notability (astronomical objects)#Dealing with minor planets. At the moment, we have 4112 such articles (excluding redirects and all named minor planets), which seems to be about 4112 too many. I haven't (obviously) checked them all, but those I did check didn't contain any material establishing notability, and not even any material not already present in the lists. For the named minor planets, the situation seems to be more varied and no blanket appraoch seems to be advisable here (although a fair number, e.g. 10095 Carlloewe, could be redirected as well); so my proposal is only for unnamed minor planets, those where the article name starts with "(". Thoughts? Fram ( talk) 10:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
So, it looks like there is no consensus for a bot task for this, but that most people see no problem with someone manually doing this (as long as it is done somewhat carefully obviously). I'll see whether I can easily do this correctly with AWB, but if someone else feels the urge to tackle this, feel free, no need to wait for me :-) Fram ( talk) 06:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I know this has been brought up above, but to make sure people actually see it, I'm going to start it in a new section. By now most regular readers here are probably aware of WP's minor planet problem, in that (literally) tens of thousands of non-notable minor planet articles have been created by ClueBot II ( talk · contribs) and other users. Past requests for redirecting these to the listings of minor planets have gained consensus, but there has been no consensus on exactly how to carry out the redirection. The biggest problem is that maybe 1000 of them actually 'are notable, and should not be redirected. How to avoid redirecting these when using a bot has been a challenge to figure out.
In order to reduce the false positive rate to nearly zero, I propose the following criteria for a redirection-by-bot:
These three criteria would sacrifice redirecting some obviously non-notable ones created by other authors or with larger prose in exchange for significantly reducing the false positive rate of such a bot. Thoughts on these criteria for a bot? Pinging @ Kheider:, who is an editor who has done good work in the field and whose opinions would be appreciated. StringTheory11 ( t • c) 19:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I have been bold and merged Meanings of minor planet names: 391001–392000 to List of minor planets: 391001–392000. There are hundreds of very similar pairs of articles already. Is there a good reason to keep them separate for all but the first X (20,000? Less?) minor planets? Fram ( talk) 09:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Soon after the ides of March last year there was very narrow consensus (1 other editor) on Category talk:Main Belt asteroid stubs to turn all (or most) minor planet stubs into redirects to List of minor planets: xxxx–xxxx. Solo Toady ( talk) ( contribs) initiated the discussion, received support from @ Chrisrus: (ping) 5 hours later, began redirecting 12 hours later, redirected about 326 asteroid pages, then quit Wikipedia literally the next day after receiving a request to stop from @ Kheider: (ping). I spot-checked about a dozen non-current versions and most are still redirects, so I'm left wondering (as anyone who might stumble across these):
I'll leave a pointer on the category talk page to here, and I'll try not to induce bias with my opinion right now. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 03:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I initially delayed my response to see what other people might think without them reading my personal bias. My concern with Solo Toady was that I did not want to see hundreds or even thousands of low numbered asteroids re-directed without a proper discussion involving several people. I have always enjoyed working with StringTheory. On the other hand, I have accused Chrisrus of Forumshopping since October 2013. In March 2014, I did NOT know Chrisrus was using Solo Toady to forward his crusade. Undoing 20 of of the 321 re-directs is probably the most reasonable solution, though even many of them may not be very notable. -- Kheider ( talk) 10:58, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
What I would like to know is how many of Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs are NOT re-directs to a list? -- Kheider ( talk) 12:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
StringTheory11 made a bot request (never performed and aspects previously discussed here, here, here, here, and here) with the following criteria (verbatim):
I can filter articles in AWB which meet criteria 1, 3, 4, but not #2 (I think).
If y'all want, I can do this semi-automatically, or I can use a different criteria #2v2:
which doesn't restrict pages to those created by ClueBot II or Merovingian, but maintains a similar spirit to the original request, I think. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 17:27, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
But remember that if placed in a list, MoS tells us to never allow the linking to go circular and link back to it's page of origin. "Do not link to pages that redirect back to the page the link is on." They can be redlinked "IF" it is likely to have a stand-alone article created in the future. But no links back to itself. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I've seen several asteroid redirects which kept the original article's categories (i.e. Category:Astronomical objects discovered in 1990, Category:Discoveries by Kin Endate, Category:Discoveries by Kazuro Watanabe). These redirects are in the minority, but I can see why they'd be useful to someone searching through them. Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects says generally, no, but maybe, sometimes. Should I keep all categories when I make the redirect or just get rid of them as usual? ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 12:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
unless there are dedicated list articles in place: I'm redirecting all asteroid stubs to pages/locations such as List of minor planets: 9001–10000#101 (I guess that wasn't made clear in this thread). Do you disagree with the categorization of all these redirects? ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 17:08, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: 1st pass on the ~16,500 #redirect candidate asteroid stubs is complete. ~8,240 redirects were made. Exceptions to the above criteria were made on a case-by-case basis, for example: 2307 Garuda, 17543 Sosva, 18155 Jasonschuler, 18809 Meileawertz. This has brought down the WikiProject Astronomy cleanup listing and Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability from February 2012 dramatically!
Proposal: I noticed the potential for a few small expansions of the orignal #redirect criteria. Once I started with an edit summary (..."2) main-body data duplicated on the list page"...) I wanted it to hold true for the entire run. Now, with the original criteria fulfilled, I think the following 3 reasonable modifications (rules) can be added (assuming the page contains no novel information):
5) Pages with orbital parameter data from the JPL database written into the article text (i.e. orbital period like 23315_Navinbrian and 28516 Möbius, or with several parameters like (5903) 1989 AN1). Any page with diameter, mass, density, surface gravity, or escape velocity won't be redirected because those doesn't appear obviously on the JPL link.
6) Pages with namesake information written into the article text (i.e. xxx was named after yyy, xxx is Latin for yyy, etc.), which already reside in list form at Meanings of minor planet names.
7) Pages with specifically these 3 external links: 1) to the JPL database (rule #1), 2) to the Minor Planet Center database (like http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/NumberedMPs005001.html), which is basically a duplicate of the info on the #redirect lists and/or the JPL database, and 3) to Lutz D. Schmadel's Dictionary of Minor Planet Names, which is the primary source for the Meanings of minor planet names: 2001–2500 family of pages (see top of that page).
Is there a concensus to include some or all of rules 5, 6, 7 in a subsequent run? ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 13:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: 2nd pass using rules #1-7 is complete. ~2790 redirects were made. Of the 16,444 asteroids numbered > 2000, 15,035 are now redirects. The 555 missing-meanings asteroids will be delt with later (next Tuesday). ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 15:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Towards the beginning of the 2nd pass I saw that some asteroid pages which included the discoverer's information did not have the corresponding category. I figured out an easy way to make 431 AWB rules to made sure that asteroids which contained variants of "discovered by <name>" included one (or more) of the 431 corresponding "Category: Discoveries by <name>". I wish I had seen this opportunity sooner, but I applied it to all non-redirects at the time (~4100) and only made 41 additions. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 19:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
While going through the asteroids, I found that there are many Meanings of minor planet names which exist in Lutz D. Schmadel's Dictionary of Minor Planet Names (Google Books link) but not in the list pages. If someone here would want to put in and wikilink some of the missing meanings, that would be very helpful. Only a small phrase is necessary for each entry (i.e. 3905 Doppler: Christian Doppler, Austrian mathematician and physicist). ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 19:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
<s>
what you've done. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
contribs ⋅
dgaf) 19:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC)Meanings of minor planet names: 3501–4000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 4001–4500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 4501–5000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 5001–5500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 5501–6000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 6001–6500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 6501–7000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 7001–7500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 7501–8000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 8001–8500 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 8501–9000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 9501–10000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 10001–11000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 11001–12000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 12001–13000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 13001–14000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 14001–15000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 15001–16000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 16001–17000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 17001–18000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 18001–19000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 19001–20000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 21001–22000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 22001–23000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 23001–24000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 24001–25000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 25001–26000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 26001–27000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 27001–28000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 28001–29000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 29001–30000 is missing:
Meanings of minor planet names: 84001–85000 is missing:
Update: 3rd pass using rules #1-7, but relaxed rule #6, is complete. All but ~3 of the above 555 missing-meaning asteroids were redirected. ~3 of them had live AfDs so were not touched.
There should now be ~857 non-redirected asteroid articles numbered > 2000. The Astronomy cleanup listing is now down from 20% of all astro articles being marked for cleanup before I started to 10%.
I also went through all current asteroid redirects, adding {{ R to list entry}} to ~3704, and propagating categories on ~45 uncategorized redirects (entirely-uncategorized redirects were actually in the minority). However, this doesn't mean that all redirects have all of their parent article's categories (but the ones I touched do). ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 18:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Code: To facilitate the redirect process, I made an AWB module to increment and/or decrement any number on a page. I thought I'd share it here: User:Tom.Reding/Inc & Dec AWB Module. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 20:46, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Update 4th pass using the parent Category:Minor planets (instead of the child Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs) added 223 redirects and 1584 "keeps" numbered > 2000.
Of the 1584 keeps were 183 unnamed asteroids numbered > 2000 with only a preliminary designation (no final designation per JPL), and an additional 26 numbered <= 2000, for a total of 209. Therefore, they are without a list to redirect them to (that I know of). If anyone knows if there's a place to redirect these that would be helpful. Otherwise, some of these could actually be proper AfDs (@ Boleyn:). I'll separate these 209 in #Summary of Remaining Redirected & Unredirected Asteroid Articles below. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 14:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Asteroids in Category:Minor planets | # of redirects | # of non-redirects | Total |
---|---|---|---|
numbered <= 2000 | 71 | 1851 | 1922 |
numbered > 2000 | 15,594 | 1721* | 17,315 |
unnumbered | 2 | 209** | 211 |
Total | 15,667 | 3781 | 19,448 |
~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ contribs ⋅ dgaf) 15:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I made a list page of 376 candidates (for now) at User:Tom.Reding/Shortlist of minor planet redirect candidates, so we're all on the same page (figuratively & literally), and so we're not doing more work than is needed. Now, have at it! ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 07:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
If anyone sees some borderline cases, feel free to add them. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 08:05, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Only ~58 "unchecked" candidates remaining! ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 16:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
There are some improvements to implement and inconsistencies to iron out in the sea of MP #Rs that Rfassbind and I have been talking about that have built up enough for another run. I'll summarize them here from my talk page for further discussion/FYI:
{{R from ...}}
templates, which are easier to search for, add, and remove than their {{
Redr}} counterparts.<!--Before reverting this redirect into an article, [...]-->
comment with the much nicer, much more obvious, much easier to change {{
NASTRO comment}}, per
WP:NASTRO#Dealing with minor planets. (applicable to ~98–99% of MP #Rs)#REDIRECT [[...]]
: Per all examples on
WP:Redirect,
WP:REDCAT, {{
Redr}}, {{
R to list entry}}, {{
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,~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 16:09, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Thx Tom for the introduction/summary:
Proposal, yesterday I was thinking about an integrated NASTRO-comment template (see not so serious example in the sandbox). I feel like we should only have one single template for all MP#Rs, with some additional parameters, so future changes would be much simpler. Of course this somehow might complicate an easy search.. but it would make things so much easier, wouldn't it?! Rfassbind – talk 17:47, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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(see example for recent MP#R
6018 Pierssac). As for the proposed all-in-one NASTRO-template, I don't know if it's feasible, either ("recursion"), but since you're an template-editor, I'm confident you'll figure it out soon.
Rfassbind
– talk 09:16, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
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and an additional name-parameter for the correct name. I think it is not that difficult to create such an AIO-tpl, but we need to agree on that first.
Rfassbind
– talk 20:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)|do-not-cat=yes
or |dont-cat=yes
? This would then replace the usual NASTRO comment with the "don't cat" one (I like the one you made in the sandbox).OK, let's forget about an all-in-one template, that's fine with me. I see you already implemented all missing anchors, well done. If you want me to file a bot-request or adjust the example at WP:DWMP, just let me know. Thx Rfassbind – talk 12:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
See User talk: Tom.Reding#Revise unhelpful potatoes MP#R. Adding it here FYI & for posterity under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy/Archive table of asteroids 1 (eventually) to elucidate the immense saga. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 16:49, 21 April 2017 (UTC)